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| Started by | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| First post | 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 186 — 25 participants |
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DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 09:43 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 01:26 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 06:08 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 21:29 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:52 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 13:54 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-27 15:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 23:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:20 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 23:26 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-28 13:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 00:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:42 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:02 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-30 15:32 +0200
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 15:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:24 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:39 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:37 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:23 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Windows Devil <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2025-10-27 18:19 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 11:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:32 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-28 22:09 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:27 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:57 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 10:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:30 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:22 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:59 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:33 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 18:55 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 05:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:33 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 09:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:11 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:58 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:00 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 11:28 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 23:37 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:52 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:02 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:01 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 12:00 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-11-01 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:07 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:21 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:07 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-01 02:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-03 10:40 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 13:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-04 05:24 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 21:41 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 12:41 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 13:04 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-05 00:45 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-04 12:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-01 10:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:51 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:45 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-10-27 09:14 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 13:17 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 13:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:38 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:09 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-28 07:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 05:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:55 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2025-10-28 07:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:46 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:03 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:10 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 17:33 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:18 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:36 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 01:05 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:05 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users marc <marc@none.of.your.business> - 2025-10-30 18:20 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:46 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:57 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 11:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 13:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 13:51 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 22:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-30 10:16 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:04 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:34 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:01 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:31 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-29 13:12 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:13 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:55 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10g3vt0.286.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #45651 |
On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >> >> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford > > Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" are out. Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmefpeF30q9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45704 |
Dan Purgert wrote: > On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". > So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was > some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" > are out. > > Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't > "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support > just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. > > All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any > troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit > broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. > I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmege6F30q9U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45708 |
Felix wrote: > Dan Purgert wrote: >> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". >> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was >> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" >> are out. >> >> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't >> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support >> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. >> >> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any >> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit >> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. >> > > I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10dt2i2$2tmd8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45710 |
On Wed, 10/29/2025 8:42 AM, Felix wrote: > Felix wrote: >> Dan Purgert wrote: >>> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >>>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". >>> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was >>> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" >>> are out. >>> >>> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't >>> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support >>> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. >>> >>> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any >>> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit >>> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. >>> >> >> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >> > > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines > Test and see. That's what I'm running right now, is install tests. The results are pure weirdness, for sure. For example, everything I've installed so far, has exactly the same GLXGEARS results. One claims to be pure X11, another might be Wayland. There is supposed to be a difference here... because I tested for this before, and Wayland ran at half the speed of X11. It would seem the video card is somehow smothering the detail. Paul
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dttop$354ct$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45712 |
At Wed, 29 Oct 2025 08:50:09 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 10/29/2025 8:42 AM, Felix wrote: > > Felix wrote: > >> Dan Purgert wrote: > >>> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > >>>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: > >>>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" > >>>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford > >>>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". > >>> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was > >>> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" > >>> are out. > >>> > >>> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't > >>> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support > >>> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. > >>> > >>> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any > >>> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit > >>> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. > >>> > >> > >> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues > >> > > > > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines > > > > Test and see. > > That's what I'm running right now, is install tests. > > The results are pure weirdness, for sure. > > For example, everything I've installed so far, has > exactly the same GLXGEARS results. One claims to be > pure X11, another might be Wayland. There is supposed > to be a difference here... because I tested for this > before, and Wayland ran at half the speed of X11. > It would seem the video card is somehow smothering > the detail. > > Paul By default, glxgears syncs to vblank. To unlock it: $ vblank_mode=0 __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears 106787 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21357.289 FPS 108361 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21671.984 FPS 108247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21648.572 FPS ^C -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.17.5 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.95.05 Mem: 258G "This space intentionally left"
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10duehu$3c1ee$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45733 |
On Wed, 10/29/2025 4:34 PM, vallor wrote: > At Wed, 29 Oct 2025 08:50:09 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > >> On Wed, 10/29/2025 8:42 AM, Felix wrote: >>> Felix wrote: >>>> Dan Purgert wrote: >>>>> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>>>>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>>>>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >>>>>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". >>>>> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was >>>>> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" >>>>> are out. >>>>> >>>>> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't >>>>> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support >>>>> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. >>>>> >>>>> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any >>>>> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit >>>>> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >>>> >>> >>> p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines >>> >> >> Test and see. >> >> That's what I'm running right now, is install tests. >> >> The results are pure weirdness, for sure. >> >> For example, everything I've installed so far, has >> exactly the same GLXGEARS results. One claims to be >> pure X11, another might be Wayland. There is supposed >> to be a difference here... because I tested for this >> before, and Wayland ran at half the speed of X11. >> It would seem the video card is somehow smothering >> the detail. >> >> Paul > > By default, glxgears syncs to vblank. To unlock it: > > $ vblank_mode=0 __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears > 106787 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21357.289 FPS > 108361 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21671.984 FPS > 108247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21648.572 FPS > ^C > The runs I did, were done that way. I have that in my notes file, when I forget. The runs were all in the 5000 range, as it's a HD6450 that draws 13 watts and it is not exactly a powerhouse. That is its claim to fame, is it does not overload the PSU in the Optiplex 780. (The PSU has no PCIe power connectors.) I guess the result is accelerated, as I don't think I would hit 5000 via just a Core2 processor doing fallback rendering. If I run glxgears in Bash shell on this machine, that's an unaccelerated graphics stack. $ vblank_mode=0 glxgears ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment. 772 frames in 5.0 seconds = 154.328 FPS 654 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.761 FPS 653 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.454 FPS 637 frames in 5.0 seconds = 127.245 FPS Paul
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| From | Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dv7ef$3hf8p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45710 |
On 29/10/2025 12:42, Felix wrote: > Felix wrote: >> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >> > > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines I have a 12+ years old machine (Clevo P150EM) running 22.2 without problem. -- Jeff
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10e0bhl$3tt11$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45750 |
On Thu, 10/30/2025 4:25 AM, Jeff Layman wrote: > On 29/10/2025 12:42, Felix wrote: >> Felix wrote: > >>> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >>> >> >> p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines > > I have a 12+ years old machine (Clevo P150EM) running 22.2 without problem. > As long as you take a backup first, go ahead and try out an Upgrade. Some people try to run their computer room with just the one computer, and only a boot drive for company. You should have at least one external backup drive, for the times when a safety backup is required. That's how you avoid your setup getting trashed. My worst case here, is one day I broke *two* computers which would not start (oops!) and I used a third computer to Google my ass off and rescue myself. That's my worst case as a clumsy oaf. Two broken computers. So three computers seems to cover things, rather nicely. My backup drive (somewhere in the room here), it has 8-10 safety backups on it. And I will be tossing a lot of those, on a cleanup day. But the safety backups are there, in case something goes wrong. For a safety backup, you can put the word "ERASEME" in the filename, which is a great aid to cleanup later. And if you don't have a backup method, what are you waiting for ? Looks like rain today... naw, I don't need to buy an umbrella, I will run between the drops instead. Once you lose some materials, it becomes apparent you really do need backups. Paul
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| From | Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e1u2j$a3h7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45771 |
On 30/10/2025 18:41, Paul wrote: > On Thu, 10/30/2025 4:25 AM, Jeff Layman wrote: >> On 29/10/2025 12:42, Felix wrote: >>> Felix wrote: >> >>>> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >>>> >>> >>> p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines >> >> I have a 12+ years old machine (Clevo P150EM) running 22.2 without problem. >> > > As long as you take a backup first, go ahead and try out an Upgrade. No backup. Now before you use some language about by background that you might regret, this was a new install on a blank disk. The old spinner 1TB HD with the 21.3 version of LM had died (I had a backup or three...), and I decided to put in a 256GB SSD (SATA) instead and go straight to 22.2. I did wonder if there might be problems with 22.2, but there weren't. There were a few special programs I had on the old desktop that I needed to install (such as qpdfview and XnView MP), and once up and running I used my home directory backup to replace the 22.2 version. > Some people try to run their computer room with just the one > computer, and only a boot drive for company. You should have > at least one external backup drive, for the times when > a safety backup is required. That's how you avoid your setup > getting trashed. That's no doubt required for someone who likes to experiment a lot, but although I use Timeshift, it's really just for those occasions where an update goes wrong and it's easy to revert to the stage before the update. Quite honestly, if the laptop got borked so badly it wouldn't even boot, it would be easier for me to just start from scratch, reinstall Mint and those few special programs, and restore the home directory from its latest backup. > And if you don't have a backup method, what are you waiting for ? > Looks like rain today... naw, I don't need to buy an umbrella, > I will run between the drops instead. Once you lose some materials, > it becomes apparent you really do need backups. I've always got grandfather, father, and son backups of my home directory on USB drives. -- Jeff
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmd2j0Fq47pU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45648 |
Paul wrote: > 3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old > hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. Not exactly; old is a relative term. For example, what is old to W11 isn't. Puppy is not only still around and interesting and useful, but it has an evolutionary offspring in EasyOS now based on embedded-ish stuff and allegedly the *best* container-management of linux. -- Mike Easter
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| From | MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dolph$16h29$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45635 |
On 27/10/2025 12:14, Alan K. wrote: > DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week. > Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL. > > Short read. > > https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa > > > > Advice for new Linux users > > Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over > with the End of 10, any advice for the Linux newbies? > > I think my take on that article is rather different from any other response so far. To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer user, i.e. a geek like them.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10donih$17dho$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45656 |
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: > To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well > away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a > warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer > user, i.e. a geek like them. Because of course Microsoft doesn’t treat you that way, does it? It considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing “features” on you that you didn’t want, or anything like that!
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmajgiFd7qlU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45657 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: > >> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well >> away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a >> warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer >> user, i.e. a geek like them. > Because of course Microsoft doesn’t treat you that way, does it? It > considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being > responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding > your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing “features” on > you that you didn’t want, or anything like that! and forcing hardware and software to become obsolete, and of course getting info about you and controlling your data -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dqksu.1594.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45657 |
Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: > > > To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well > > away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a > > warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer > > user, i.e. a geek like them. > > Because of course Microsoft doesn?t treat you that way, does it? It > considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being > responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding > your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing ?features? on > you that you didn?t want, or anything like that! What you say goes for *any* company (last time I checked, Linux wasn't a company), whether in IT or other. But this 'responsible adult' has no problems with any of the issues or concerns you raise. Not with Microsoft, not with Google (including Android), etc., etc,. But yes, the ignorant[1]/clueless/stupid are at risk, from any and all of them. News at eleven! [1] As in: not knowing/aware.
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmd1q7Fq4oqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45688 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: >> >>> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well >>> away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a >>> warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer >>> user, i.e. a geek like them. >> Because of course Microsoft doesn?t treat you that way, does it? It >> considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being >> responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding >> your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing ?features? on >> you that you didn?t want, or anything like that! > What you say goes for *any* company (last time I checked, Linux wasn't > a company), whether in IT or other. That's right, Linux has no control over you like M$ does > > But this 'responsible adult' has no problems with any of the issues or > concerns you raise. Not with Microsoft, not with Google (including > Android), etc., etc,. > > But yes, the ignorant[1]/clueless/stupid are at risk, from any and all > of them. News at eleven! > > [1] As in: not knowing/aware. -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 02:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10dpmn2$1mrb4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45656 |
On Mon, 10/27/2025 4:47 PM, MikeS wrote:
> On 27/10/2025 12:14, Alan K. wrote:
>> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
>> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
>>
>> Short read.
>>
>> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa
>>
>>
>>
>> Advice for new Linux users
>>
>> Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 10, any advice for the Linux newbies?
>>
>>
> I think my take on that article is rather different from any other response so far.
>
> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well away
> unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a warped idea
> that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer user, i.e. a geek like them.
I would blame it on a lack of leadership, and an inability to plan anything.
This is just human nature in 2025.
There is no money to be made, by rescuing these Win10 people (oops!).
An example of a promotional campaign, would be using WUBI to
intro Windows users to Linux. Which could be relatively painless
as an intro.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_%28software%29
"Wubi creates the "root.disk" file using Microsoft's proprietary
NTFS file system while running under the MS Windows OS and then while
the Ubuntu OS is running it accesses that file using an
alternative file system driver."
Once the new users have absorbed some of the materials delivered via WUBI,
we could try something more ambitious.
The situation to be avoided, is any news story that goes
"I had fifty years of wedding pictures on that disk..."
You know, the disgruntled individual who lost everything,
and had no backup. Those are real people. And that's why
your campaign has to be particularly well designed.
Whether it is recipes for making installer/boot materials for noobs
or recipes for not losing 50 years worth of wedding photos,
there has to be a plan. And saying that now, we're a year too late
to do anything.
Some of our recyclers here, closed a couple years ago. There
simply isn't enough capacity to absorb the discarded machines now.
The waste removal will not accept them. They'll sit on the curb.
Most likely, you'll look on country roads, and next to the
refrigerator and sofa off the side of the road, will now
be added PCs. And that will be our legacy. A PC to go with
their "household" stored on the side of the road.
Paul
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| From | Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 07:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dpqf2$1nnmk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45670 |
On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 02:09:38 -0400, Paul wrote: > > Some of our recyclers here, closed a couple years ago. There simply > isn't enough capacity to absorb the discarded machines now. > The waste removal will not accept them. They'll sit on the curb. > Most likely, you'll look on country roads, and next to the refrigerator > and sofa off the side of the road, will now be added PCs. And that will > be our legacy. A PC to go with their "household" stored on the side of > the road. > Here in London, you leave anything vaguely metal out in the front drive, the pikeys have taken it away in a few hours.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 05:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10dq13g$1q85c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45673 |
On Tue, 10/28/2025 3:13 AM, Handsome Jack wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 02:09:38 -0400, Paul wrote: >> >> Some of our recyclers here, closed a couple years ago. There simply >> isn't enough capacity to absorb the discarded machines now. >> The waste removal will not accept them. They'll sit on the curb. >> Most likely, you'll look on country roads, and next to the refrigerator >> and sofa off the side of the road, will now be added PCs. And that will >> be our legacy. A PC to go with their "household" stored on the side of >> the road. >> > > Here in London, you leave anything vaguely metal out in the front drive, > the pikeys have taken it away in a few hours. > Sure, there is some value in the component parts. But part of the market for those component parts, those machines are being thrown out, so there are fewer people looking for DDR3 sticks for a machine. You could lift them off the curb and recycle the metal bits to the iron monger. I don't know what kind of money you can earn doing that. Taking apart PCs isn't cheap in terms of hours of labour. We had recycling companies, and I think they were in it, for the items turned in that could readily be sold. Carrying an inventory that isn't moving, does not work for them. A pikey can make a few bucks, but is it enough to live off ? Paul
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 11:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dqb76$1fiiq$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45674 |
On 2025/10/28 9:6:53, Paul wrote: > On Tue, 10/28/2025 3:13 AM, Handsome Jack wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 02:09:38 -0400, Paul wrote: >>> >>> Some of our recyclers here, closed a couple years ago. There simply >>> isn't enough capacity to absorb the discarded machines now. Basically, the state of computing - I would say somewhere between about 1995 and 2010 - reached the point where most of the hurdles had been overcome, and computers do what people want: effort in designing/selling new ones ha to switch more into _inventing_ extra things to convince people they "must have". Yes, improvements in _storage_ are an exception; improvements in _processing power_ in theory as well, but with the exception of gaming and similar niche, are sadly mostly absorbed by coding inefficiency - and that is really _nobody's fault_: coding _tools_ nowadays use less efficient means, and it's not cost effective to do otherwise. _Reliability_ of _harware_ has improved such that the (approximately) three to five year cycle is on the whole _not_ driven by that. So - in order to keep the industry (both harware and software) _going_ - obsolescence (and security) FUD has to be upped. >>> The waste removal will not accept them. They'll sit on the curb. (Here in UK, local authorities will take anything, though you have to take it to a recycling centre; what _they_ actually _do_ with them, I have no idea - and I rather suspect more of it goes to landfill than they would admit. there isn't usually a specific computer container to drop them into - just electrical, so they'd go in with vacuum cleaners, lights, toasters, and the like.) >>> Most likely, you'll look on country roads, and next to the refrigerator >>> and sofa off the side of the road, will now be added PCs. And that will >>> be our legacy. A PC to go with their "household" stored on the side of >>> the road. >>> >> >> Here in London, you leave anything vaguely metal out in the front drive, >> the pikeys have taken it away in a few hours. >> Probably to (illegally of course) dump it not much further down the road.> > Sure, there is some value in the component parts. But > part of the market for those component parts, those > machines are being thrown out, so there are fewer people > looking for DDR3 sticks for a machine. > > You could lift them off the curb and recycle the metal bits > to the iron monger. I don't know what kind of money you can earn > doing that. Taking apart PCs isn't cheap in terms of hours of labour. > > We had recycling companies, and I think they were in it, for the items > turned in that could readily be sold. Carrying an inventory that isn't > moving, does not work for them. A pikey can make a few bucks, but > is it enough to live off ? The sort of "Mom and Pop" (usually just one chap) computer store that used to be common, where you could go to buy a second-hand computer, or parts, virtually no longer exists; I'd say here, only about one such to every five or ten large towns. I can only think of one I'd fully qualify in that way, and two others - one who sells parts (along with other electrical components, such as drive belts for things like tape recorders), and one who sells/repairs laptops - within an hour or two's drive of me. (Much the same as electronic repairs in general; Tandy [sort of UK arm of Radio Shack] and Maplin both closed, decades ago I think. Most home electronics isn't thought of as repairable these days - and, cost-effectively anyway, isn't.)> > Paul John -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "He hasn't one redeeming vice." - Oscar Wilde
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 23:13 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10dt0d9$2t21b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45674 |
On 28/10/2025 8:06 pm, Paul wrote: <Snip> > We had recycling companies, and I think they were in it, for the items > turned in that could readily be sold. Carrying an inventory that isn't > moving, does not work for them. A pikey can make a few bucks, but > is it enough to live off ? > > Paul > You know those aluminium foil blister pack thingees you might get ten or a dozen tablets in?? My sister has been recycling them at a chemists back where we used to live (when she had to go back down there to visit her Doctor). Last week, we went to the local Council's re-cycling depot to drop off some electronics .... and there was one of those wheelie garbage bins specifically for recycling those used blister packs!! I know they have some aluminium foil ... but could it really be economical to re-cycle?? Maybe it's the plastic!! -- Daniel70
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