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Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-29 01:54 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-12-29 09:36 +0100
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-29 13:45 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-12-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-29 13:53 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-12-29 13:47 -0800
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2015-12-29 22:00 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-12-29 14:36 -0800
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-30 05:03 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-12-29 14:39 -0800
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-31 03:19 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2016-01-01 01:14 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-01-01 15:19 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2016-01-02 04:04 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-12-29 10:46 +0200
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-12-29 10:37 +0100
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-29 13:50 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-29 22:13 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 00:36 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-01-11 06:55 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-11 13:02 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2016-01-16 19:13 -0800
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-29 13:46 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Alastair Black <abqab.nemo@example.net> - 2015-12-29 09:38 -0700
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-29 14:44 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 15:28 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-30 05:05 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Robert Nichols <SEE_SIGNATURE@localhost.localdomain.invalid> - 2015-12-31 08:57 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-31 16:32 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Robert Nichols <SEE_SIGNATURE@localhost.localdomain.invalid> - 2015-12-31 20:01 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Robert Nichols <SEE_SIGNATURE@localhost.localdomain.invalid> - 2015-12-31 20:13 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-12-31 23:08 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-01 09:26 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2016-01-01 11:29 +0100
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-29 19:29 -0500
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2015-12-30 10:03 +0100
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... "Ralf S. Hellersen" <schneiderxr@arcor.de> - 2016-01-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-01 12:58 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-01-01 11:37 -0800
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... "Ralf S. Hellersen" <schneiderxr@arcor.de> - 2016-01-02 18:51 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-02 18:38 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2016-01-03 02:17 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-02 23:22 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-02 23:41 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-03 12:17 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Alastair Black <abqab.nemo@example.net> - 2016-01-03 12:02 -0700
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 13:07 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-03 19:01 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 00:20 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-04 04:24 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2016-01-04 09:16 -0800
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-01-04 17:30 +0000
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-01 14:47 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Robert Nichols <SEE_SIGNATURE@localhost.localdomain.invalid> - 2016-01-02 20:29 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-01-04 04:57 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Robert Nichols <SEE_SIGNATURE@localhost.localdomain.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:26 -0600
Re: Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2016-02-05 03:19 +0000
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 01:54 -0600 |
| Subject | Writing to old school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s... |
| Message-ID | <X8ednazTqqGCoR_LnZ2dnUU7-RkAAAAA@earthlink.com> |
Hello!
In my very old upgraded Debian Wheezy/stable box, I can read my old
school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s but it can't write. From what I searched
online, I need to do some hacking with my configurations files like
/etc/fstab. KDE v4.14.2's Dolphin automounts and shows me the data in it
but doesn't let me delete, format, and other write activities. With
sudo, I can erase files but not write like:
$ sudo echo > test
-bash: test: Permission denied
$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 944120 572036 306908 66% /
udev 10240 0 10240 0% /dev
tmpfs 411592 9544 402048 3% /run
/dev/sda8 49851100 7003492 40292216 15% /usr
tmpfs 1028976 80 1028896 1% /dev/shm
tmpfs 5120 12 5108 1% /run/lock
tmpfs 1028976 0 1028976 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda5 944120 1292 877652 1% /tmp
/dev/sda6 4673664 1882708 2530504 43% /var
/dev/sda9 49882844 3207188 44118680 7% /home
tmpfs 205796 8 205788 1% /run/user/1000
/dev/fd0 1424 0 1424 0% /media/floppy0
/etc/fstab shows: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
Mount shows: /dev/fd0 on /media/floppy0 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro,user)
I don't know if those are correct or not. What am I missing? Thank you
in advance. :)
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| From | Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 09:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5tglm$1eqv$1@saria.nerim.net> |
| In reply to | #7567 |
Ant a écrit : > > In my very old upgraded Debian Wheezy/stable box, I can read my old > school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s but it can't write. From what I searched > online, I need to do some hacking with my configurations files like > /etc/fstab. KDE v4.14.2's Dolphin automounts and shows me the data in it > but doesn't let me delete, format, and other write activities. With > sudo, I can erase files but not write like: > $ sudo echo > test > -bash: test: Permission denied Beware of redirections with sudo : they apply to the sudo command, not to the command run by sudo.
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 13:45 -0600 |
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| In reply to | #7571 |
> > In my very old upgraded Debian Wheezy/stable box, I can read my old
> > school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s but it can't write. From what I searched
> > online, I need to do some hacking with my configurations files like
> > /etc/fstab. KDE v4.14.2's Dolphin automounts and shows me the data in it
> > but doesn't let me delete, format, and other write activities. With
> > sudo, I can erase files but not write like:
> > $ sudo echo > test
> > -bash: test: Permission denied
> Beware of redirections with sudo : they apply to the sudo command, not
> to the command run by sudo.
Interesting. So I should use su first then. People told me using "su" is
bad and to use "sudo".
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| From | mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <uuBgy.201119$Xy.112216@fx46.am4> |
| In reply to | #7583 |
On 29/12/2015 19:45, Ant wrote: >>> In my very old upgraded Debian Wheezy/stable box, I can read my old >>> school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s but it can't write. From what I searched >>> online, I need to do some hacking with my configurations files like >>> /etc/fstab. KDE v4.14.2's Dolphin automounts and shows me the data in it >>> but doesn't let me delete, format, and other write activities. With >>> sudo, I can erase files but not write like: >>> $ sudo echo > test >>> -bash: test: Permission denied > >> Beware of redirections with sudo : they apply to the sudo command, not >> to the command run by sudo. > > Interesting. So I should use su first then. People told me using "su" is > bad and to use "sudo". > No. I think he's suggesting you're expected to learn how to use sudo so you don't get bitten. As soon as you start doing anything with root privileges you need to be sure you are wearing your best "clue" hat. Else hilarity will ensue as you try to fix the damage.
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 13:53 -0600 |
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| In reply to | #7585 |
> >>> $ sudo echo > test
> >>> -bash: test: Permission denied
> >
> >> Beware of redirections with sudo : they apply to the sudo command, not
> >> to the command run by sudo.
> >
> > Interesting. So I should use su first then. People told me using "su" is
> > bad and to use "sudo".
> >
> No. I think he's suggesting you're expected to learn how to use sudo so
> you don't get bitten. As soon as you start doing anything with root
> privileges you need to be sure you are wearing your best "clue" hat.
> Else hilarity will ensue as you try to fix the damage.
Ah OK. Thanks. :)
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 13:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n5uusq$1it$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #7587 |
On 12/29/2015 11:53 AM, Ant wrote: >>>>> $ sudo echo > test >>>>> -bash: test: Permission denied >>> >>>> Beware of redirections with sudo : they apply to the sudo command, not >>>> to the command run by sudo. >>> >>> Interesting. So I should use su first then. People told me using "su" is >>> bad and to use "sudo". >>> >> No. I think he's suggesting you're expected to learn how to use sudo so >> you don't get bitten. As soon as you start doing anything with root >> privileges you need to be sure you are wearing your best "clue" hat. >> Else hilarity will ensue as you try to fix the damage. > > Ah OK. Thanks. :) > Should be pointed out that with su always use -a so "su -a" otherwise problems with ownership of some files may ensue. The problem is that in a user file may be turned into a root file. Then you may have problems with accessing your usual programs as a user. bliss
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| From | Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 22:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87y4ccapab.fsf@ixod.org> |
| In reply to | #7593 |
On 29 Dec 2015, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Should be pointed out that with su always use -a > so "su -a" otherwise problems with ownership of some files > may ensue. The problem is that in a user file may be > turned into a root file. Then you may have problems with > accessing your usual programs as a user. That's interesting, what does this "-a" do? My shadow-utils 4.2 su doesn't know that option (Debian login 1:4.2-3) -- is it a new thing? (My BSD su doesn't either, but over there I use doas anyway.) But, yeah, one of the last things I do as root sometimes is a chown. (followups adjusted) -- Mark
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 14:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n5v1ob$c2h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #7594 |
On 12/29/2015 02:00 PM, Mark Carroll wrote: > On 29 Dec 2015, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> Should be pointed out that with su always use -a >> so "su -a" otherwise problems with ownership of some files >> may ensue. The problem is that in a user file may be >> turned into a root file. Then you may have problems with >> accessing your usual programs as a user. > > That's interesting, what does this "-a" do? My shadow-utils 4.2 su > doesn't know that option (Debian login 1:4.2-3) -- is it a new thing? > (My BSD su doesn't either, but over there I use doas anyway.) > > But, yeah, one of the last things I do as root sometimes is a chown. > > (followups adjusted) > > -- Mark > MY REMARKS WERE INACCURATE! The proper startup is either su - or su-- which triggers a login environment, The single hyphen is for the short version. I am so sorry. Before I learned about this on the Mageia newsgroup,alt.os.linux.mageia, I had to do a lot of chowns from back in Mandriva days, PC-LOS days and early use of Mageia 4.1. Now I seldom use chown except when adding a fresh drive to my USB network. bliss
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 05:03 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <Q7KdneSw09qOJx7LnZ2dnUU7-fudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #7594 |
> > Should be pointed out that with su always use -a
> > so "su -a" otherwise problems with ownership of some files
> > may ensue. The problem is that in a user file may be
> > turned into a root file. Then you may have problems with
> > accessing your usual programs as a user.
> That's interesting, what does this "-a" do? My shadow-utils 4.2 su
> doesn't know that option (Debian login 1:4.2-3) -- is it a new thing?
> (My BSD su doesn't either, but over there I use doas anyway.)
> But, yeah, one of the last things I do as root sometimes is a chown.
I use chown and chgrp command to fix them. I didn't know about -a
parameter, but mine doesn't have it too:
$ su --help
Usage: su [options] [LOGIN]
Options:
-c, --command COMMAND pass COMMAND to the invoked shell
-h, --help display this help message and exit
-, -l, --login make the shell a login shell
-m, -p,
--preserve-environment do not reset environment variables, and
keep the same shell
-s, --shell SHELL use SHELL instead of the default in
passwd
:(
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 14:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n5v1tl$c2h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #7593 |
On 12/29/2015 01:47 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 12/29/2015 11:53 AM, Ant wrote: >>>>>> $ sudo echo > test >>>>>> -bash: test: Permission denied >>>> >>>>> Beware of redirections with sudo : they apply to the sudo command, not >>>>> to the command run by sudo. >>>> >>>> Interesting. So I should use su first then. People told me using >>>> "su" is >>>> bad and to use "sudo". >>>> >>> No. I think he's suggesting you're expected to learn how to use sudo so >>> you don't get bitten. As soon as you start doing anything with root >>> privileges you need to be sure you are wearing your best "clue" hat. >>> Else hilarity will ensue as you try to fix the damage. >> >> Ah OK. Thanks. :) >> > Should be pointed out that with su always use -a > so "su -a" otherwise problems with ownership of some files > may ensue. The problem is that in a user file may be > turned into a root file. Then you may have problems with > accessing your usual programs as a user. > > bliss I was wrong. I simply mistyped then someone pointed out my errors and I rechecked. invoke su with a space and a hyphen, "su -". bliss
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-12-31 03:19 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <c_mdnXsXP_uKbhnLnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #7597 |
> I was wrong. I simply mistyped then someone pointed
> out my errors and I rechecked. invoke su with a space and
> a hyphen, "su -".
Is there a "sudo -"?
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-01 01:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn8bko3.gpn.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #7639 |
On 2015-12-31, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
>> I was wrong. I simply mistyped then someone pointed
>> out my errors and I rechecked. invoke su with a space and
>> a hyphen, "su -".
>
> Is there a "sudo -"?
This works well for me on non-Debian systems at work, and I'm
pretty confident it would work on Debian as well:
sudo su -
HTH
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| From | J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> |
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| Date | 2016-01-01 15:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n665dv$841$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #7646 |
On Friday, January 1st, 2016, at 01:14:43h +0000, Robert Riches reported:
> This works well for me on non-Debian systems at work, and I'm
> pretty confident it would work on Debian as well
>
> sudo su -
Indeed so, but the Poettering Gang do not agree.
<https://tlhp.CF/lennart-poettering-su/>
QUOTE
Long story short: su is really a broken concept.
It will given you kind of a shell, and it’s fine
to use it for that, but it’s not a full login,
and shouldn’t be mistaken for one.
UNQUOTE
The command all systemD droids are now expected to use is
machinectl shell
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-02 04:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn8ej2d.9s9.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #7653 |
On 2016-01-01, J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> wrote: > On Friday, January 1st, 2016, at 01:14:43h +0000, Robert Riches reported: > >> This works well for me on non-Debian systems at work, and I'm >> pretty confident it would work on Debian as well >> >> sudo su - > > Indeed so, but the Poettering Gang do not agree. > > <https://tlhp.CF/lennart-poettering-su/> > > QUOTE > > Long story short: su is really a broken concept. > It will given you kind of a shell, and it???s fine > to use it for that, but it???s not a full login, > and shouldn???t be mistaken for one. > > UNQUOTE > > The command all systemD droids are now expected to use is > > machinectl shell Well, that won't be the first point of disagreement I have with the Poettering Gang: 1) The test VM I made a few years ago with Mageia 2 installed fine, but it would not boot. The boot process would hang for several minutes. Then, some hidden systemd timeout would be exceeded and the system would continue booting without about half of the mdadm-type RAIDs having formed. There were no tools installed by default on Mageia 2 to decipher the binary journal to provide any clue as to what happened. After installing the required debugging tools in order to decipher the binary journal (not an easy task on a system that did not boot up properly), all it showed was a Gantt-chart-like sequence with no additional information available. It was at that point I decided that if there ever came a time that only a handful of people on the planet were running something other than systemd (or its decreasingly-distant cousin, winDoze), I would be among them. 2) More recently, I have been made aware that on Ubuntu 14.04 (and likely other systems), systemd-logind silently (and apparently without it being documented) converts multiple soft-shutdown commands into a hard poweroff. For example, ipmitool retries soft-shutdown commands if they are not acknowledged. When systemd-logind sees the second soft-shutdown command, it immediately does a hard poweroff, without letting the rest of the services to cleanly shut down, unmount filesystems, etc. Except perhaps on a cell phone or one-person client machine, it's entirely inappropriate for a "logind" to even be involved with power control operations. The only solution I know of is to modify two configuration files to get systemd-logind entirely out of the shutdown business and let acpid do the job it should have been doing in the first place. If the day comes that I can't find a Linux distribution that works well with_OUT_ systemd, it will be time to switch to a *BSD or other non-Linux system that still follows the general unix philosophy. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 10:46 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n5th4e$rqg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #7567 |
On 29.12.15 09:54, Ant wrote: > Hello! > > In my very old upgraded Debian Wheezy/stable box, I can read my old > school 3.5" floppy disk(ette)s but it can't write. From what I searched > online, I need to do some hacking with my configurations files like > /etc/fstab. KDE v4.14.2's Dolphin automounts and shows me the data in it > but doesn't let me delete, format, and other write activities. With > sudo, I can erase files but not write like: > $ sudo echo > test > -bash: test: Permission denied > > $ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda1 944120 572036 306908 66% / > udev 10240 0 10240 0% /dev > tmpfs 411592 9544 402048 3% /run > /dev/sda8 49851100 7003492 40292216 15% /usr > tmpfs 1028976 80 1028896 1% /dev/shm > tmpfs 5120 12 5108 1% /run/lock > tmpfs 1028976 0 1028976 0% /sys/fs/cgroup > /dev/sda5 944120 1292 877652 1% /tmp > /dev/sda6 4673664 1882708 2530504 43% /var > /dev/sda9 49882844 3207188 44118680 7% /home > tmpfs 205796 8 205788 1% /run/user/1000 > /dev/fd0 1424 0 1424 0% /media/floppy0 > > /etc/fstab shows: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 > > Mount shows: /dev/fd0 on /media/floppy0 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro,user) > > I don't know if those are correct or not. What am I missing? Thank you > in advance. :) > Have you checked that the diskette is not physically write-protected? -- -TV
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| From | Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 10:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5tk93$1fsu$1@saria.nerim.net> |
| In reply to | #7572 |
Tauno Voipio a écrit : > On 29.12.15 09:54, Ant wrote: >> >> I can erase files but not write like: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Have you checked that the diskette is not physically write-protected?
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 13:50 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <44mdnZ5vGbKAeR_LnZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #7573 |
> > On 29.12.15 09:54, Ant wrote:
> >>
> >> I can erase files but not write like:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Have you checked that the diskette is not physically write-protected?
Yes even with multiple disks in case there was a bad one since they're
all old.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 22:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87poxoykbo.fsf@mantic.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #7586 |
ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) writes: >> > On 29.12.15 09:54, Ant wrote: >> >> >> >> I can erase files but not write like: >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > Have you checked that the diskette is not physically write-protected? > > Yes even with multiple disks in case there was a bad one since they're > all old. Surely anything that reuqires _writing_ to floppy disks is a mistake by now. Get your files off them and then dispose of them. -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 00:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n5v8tm$aap$8@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #7595 |
On 29/12/15 22:13, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) writes: >>>> On 29.12.15 09:54, Ant wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I can erase files but not write like: >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> Have you checked that the diskette is not physically write-protected? >> >> Yes even with multiple disks in case there was a bad one since they're >> all old. > > Surely anything that reuqires _writing_ to floppy disks is a mistake by > now. Get your files off them and then dispose of them. > The mylar film inside makes an excellent source of light and very free model aircraft hinges. -- the biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is.
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| From | philo <philo@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 06:55 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n708jc$b3i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #7595 |
On 12/29/2015 04:13 PM, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) writes: >>>> On 29.12.15 09:54, Ant wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I can erase files but not write like: >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> Have you checked that the diskette is not physically write-protected? >> >> Yes even with multiple disks in case there was a bad one since they're >> all old. > > Surely anything that reuqires _writing_ to floppy disks is a mistake by > now. Get your files off them and then dispose of them. > I agree. About a year ago I needed to actually find a few working floppies and about 90% of the ones I had in storage were bad.
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