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Re: Smaller C

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From "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm>
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Subject Re: Smaller C
Date Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:28:09 -0400
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 19:23:45 -0400, James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26/09/2015 21:23, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:48:26 -0400, James Harris
>> <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> In the previous case where we discussed H&S, i.e. in connection with the
>>> switch statement, I found an online copy of their book and it seemed to
>>> me that they had come across what they thought of were two different
>>> forms (and were surprised at what they had found) so listed them without
>>> realising how C worked.
>>
>> It seems as if you still don't accept it.
>>
>> Do you agree that Duff's device both exists and works?
>>
>> If so, then you must accept that H&S are correct here.
>
> [answer to question avoided]

I already know what your position is from past threads.  I'll continue as
if you had directly stated you oppose their understanding or perspective,
for which I don't believe I'm putting any words into your mouth or
misstating your perspective.

Tartan Laboratories produced C and Ada compilers for various platforms.

"This book grew out of our work at Tartan Laboratories developing a family
of C compilers, for a wide range of computers, from micros to supermainframes."
 from "C: A Reference manual", by Samuel P. Harbison and Guy L. Steele Jr.,
(C) 1991, 3rd ed., pg. vii

Three key people who worked at Tartan are PHDs in computer science who
specialized in language design, and were heavily involved in language
implementation, design, and standardization.

Steel and Harbison have been involved in standards process for ANSI C,
C++, and Common LISP.

Dr. William A. Wulf
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/dow/wulf.html
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~wulf/resumes/resume.html

Dr. Guy L. Steele, Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_L._Steele,_Jr.

Dr. Samuel P. Harbison, III
http://www.harbison.org/sph3/
http://www.harbison.org/sph3/sph-cv-Feb11.htm

So, let me get this straight, you, James Harris of ... somewhere in the U.K.,
have concluded that three PHDs in C.S., all of whon specialize in programming
language design, who were involved in standardization of ANSI C, C++, and
Common Lisp, whose book was reviewed by about 3 dozen other people, including
PHDs from other universities, and other ANSI X3J11 contributors and renowned
experts in C like P.J. Plauger, Henry Spencer, and Larry Rosler, have concluded
that _they_ made a mistake? ...  Although possible, that's highly improbable.

I hope this call to authority as expressed here which is usually cited as a
logical fallacy has thoroughly dispelled your notions.

;-)


Rod Pemberton


-- 
Just how many texting and calendar apps does humanity need?
Just how many food articles from neurotic millenials do we need?

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