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Keyboards again

Started byDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
First post2020-09-07 19:51 -0400
Last post2020-09-08 19:59 -0400
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  Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 19:51 -0400
    Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:03 -0400
      Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:16 -0700
        Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:50 -0400
      Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:12 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 23:51 -0400
          Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 17:40 -0400
            Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 18:04 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-08 13:19 -0500
          Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0400
            Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-08 21:26 +0000
              Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0700
              Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 17:52 -0400
                Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 00:51 +0100
                Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 17:42 +0000
                  Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 19:50 +0100
                    Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 19:49 +0000
                      Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 21:18 +0100
                        Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:44 +0000
              Re: Keyboards again Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2020-09-08 21:59 -0400
                Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 11:10 +0100
                Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-09 15:27 -0700
                  Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Keyboards again Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-09-11 01:26 -0500
                    Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-12 06:20 +0000
                      Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-12 12:27 +0000
                        Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-12 13:07 +0000
                        Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:15 -0400
                        Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 21:57 +0100
                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-03 22:11 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0000
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-03 19:26 -0400
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 09:02 +0000
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-04 12:22 +0100
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 16:42 +0000
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:39 +0100
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 22:06 +0000
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-04 08:30 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) the "Swampster" <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-06 12:13 +0000
                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:30 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 10:06 -0400
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 11:17 -0400
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:30 +0100
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-04 19:13 +0000
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:07 -0400
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-05 01:23 +0000
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 09:54 +0100
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 13:47 +0100
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:22 -0400
                                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 11:03 -0700
                                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 11:10 -0700
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-10-05 18:27 +0000
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 20:03 +0100
                                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 18:20 -0400
                                              Re: Barcodes Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 19:05 -0400
                                                Re: Barcodes J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:57 -0400
                                                  Re: Barcodes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-10-06 15:30 +0000
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 16:52 -0700
                                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:54 -0400
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 21:53 -0700
                                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-06 07:33 -0400
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:21 -0400
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-04 22:38 -0500
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-04 21:19 -0700
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-10-05 03:04 -0500
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 11:01 +0100
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 12:50 +0100
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-05 10:06 -0500
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-10-06 21:16 +0000
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-07 06:38 +0100
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:36 +0100
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:00 +0100
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:28 +0100
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:06 -0400
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:33 +0100
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:24 +0100
                      Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:02 -0400
                        Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-13 07:05 +0000
                          Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-13 09:24 +0100
                          Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:38 +0000
                            Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:20 -0400
                              Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 23:54 +0000
                              Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:47 +0000
                                Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 18:35 -0400
                            Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:44 +0000
                              Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 20:29 +0100
                                Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-15 21:21 +0000
                                Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
                                  Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-16 07:56 +0100
                                  Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 10:16 +0100
                                  Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-16 09:55 +0000
                                  Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 11:25 -0500
                                  Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 18:03 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 13:57 -0500
                                      Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 19:08 +0000
                                        Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:48 -0500
                                      Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-17 06:55 +0100
                                  Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-16 21:03 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:53 -0500
                                    Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 21:55 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 07:20 +0000
                                      Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 10:06 -0500
                                        Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 11:15 -0400
                                          Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 12:37 -0500
                                            Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 20:07 +0000
                                              Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 10:01 -0500
                                                Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-18 16:45 +0000
                                                  Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 11:22 -0700
                                          Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 19:59 +0000
                                            Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-19 23:25 +0000
                                              Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 12:03 +0100
                                                Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-20 14:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 16:08 +0100
                                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 10:52 -0500
                                                    Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:09 +0000
                                                    Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 14:32 +0100
                                                        Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 13:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-22 12:49 +0000
                                                      Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-22 13:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:31 -0500
                                                          Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-22 15:39 -0700
                                                            Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 20:55 -0400
                                                              Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-22 19:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 00:13 -0400
                                                            Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-23 10:52 +0000
                                                  Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:48 -0400
                                                  Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-21 19:35 +0000
                                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:22 -0500
                          Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-13 15:34 +0000
                            Re: Keyboards again Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-13 17:54 -0300
                          Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 10:53 -0500
                            Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 17:50 +0000
                              Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-13 19:35 +0100
                                Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 19:33 +0000
                                  Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-14 06:02 +0000
                                  Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-14 07:46 +0100
                            Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 15:01 -0500
                          Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:25 -0400
                        Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:37 +0000
                        Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0100
                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:38 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:36 +0100
                Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-10 10:39 +0100
              Re: Keyboards again Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-09 06:02 +0000
              Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-09 14:14 +0000
                Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 10:18 -0400
              Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 14:49 -0500
              Re: Keyboards again mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-09-09 20:36 +0100
              Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:51 -0400
                Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000
                  Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 14:58 -0500
                Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 17:12 +0100
                  Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:49 -0400
    Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:09 -0700
      Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:14 -0700
      Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:19 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:14 -0700
          Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:32 -0700
        Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 09:44 +0000
      Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-08 10:49 +0100
        Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 07:17 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 08:02 -0400
          Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:33 -0400
            Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:59 -0400

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#214332

Fromusenet@only.tnx (Questor)
Date2020-09-16 21:03 +0000
Message-ID<5f627d88.11268923@news.dslextreme.com>
In reply to#214300
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:49:14 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On 15/09/2020 19:44, maus wrote:
>>>On 2020-09-13, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:05:44 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>From what I've read, ALDI pays more than other supermarkets (whatever
>>>>>that means), but they have far fewer people who are expected to do all
>>>>>jobs, so their overall labor costs are lower.
>>>>
>>>>My son is a deputy manager for Aldi, and they do pay better than other
>>>>supermarkets.
>>>
>>>My daughter interviewed for Lidl (same difference, AFAIK) and they reputably
>>>pay well, but work hard. In the stores, if comething needs doing, anyone handy
>>>does it. Good idea, I think.
>>>
>>
>>In my local Lidl, if there are queues at the tills, even the
>>store manager will man another checkout.
>>
>>In my local Sainsburys, if there are queues at the tills, the
>>supervisors just carry on doing important things such as
>>shuffling their pencils.


>Nothing annoys me more than to have a big line waiting for one cashier
>while one or two more employees are behind the counter doing whatever, that
>they apparently can't interrupt to serve customers. Some places will have
>people jump in when necessary, and I always think better of them for it.
>
>I know nothing about running a store, but it seems to me that waiting on
>customers should have priority over other tasks, which can be done when
>you're not busy.

IOW,  "I'm completely ignorant, but I'll spout off anyway"


Never mind compulsary military service -- I think every citizen should be
required to work for a few months as a retail clerk or in a similar service
capacity, preferably during a period that includes the holiday season.
Now THAT would be a good education for a lot of people.

You're right, you know nothing about running a store.  There are many tasks that
employees must perform besides waiting on customers, and they are expected to
complete them during their shift, no excuses.  One thing about working in a
retail environment:  you are CONSTANTLY being interrupted.  It can be difficult
to complete any mildly complicated task or even to remember where you left off
before getting pulled away to do something else.  You have no idea what those
employees behind the counter are doing, what priority their management has
assigned to their tasks, whether one of them might be on their break, or showing
the other how to do something.  It might even be a management decision to have
only X checkouts open, or a certain number of employees on the floor despite
waiting customers, because they have limited personnel and other things must be
done, so having customers endure a short wait is an acceptable trade-off.

You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
whenever you walk into a store.

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#214335

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-16 16:53 -0500
Message-ID<h325mf94f9d681rp9kmvn8amgn35q5i61e@4ax.com>
In reply to#214332
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 21:03:14 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:49:14 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On 15/09/2020 19:44, maus wrote:
>>>>On 2020-09-13, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>>>On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:05:44 +0000, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>From what I've read, ALDI pays more than other supermarkets (whatever
>>>>>>that means), but they have far fewer people who are expected to do all
>>>>>>jobs, so their overall labor costs are lower.
>>>>>
>>>>>My son is a deputy manager for Aldi, and they do pay better than other
>>>>>supermarkets.
>>>>
>>>>My daughter interviewed for Lidl (same difference, AFAIK) and they reputably
>>>>pay well, but work hard. In the stores, if comething needs doing, anyone handy
>>>>does it. Good idea, I think.
>>>>
>>>
>>>In my local Lidl, if there are queues at the tills, even the
>>>store manager will man another checkout.
>>>
>>>In my local Sainsburys, if there are queues at the tills, the
>>>supervisors just carry on doing important things such as
>>>shuffling their pencils.
>
>
>>Nothing annoys me more than to have a big line waiting for one cashier
>>while one or two more employees are behind the counter doing whatever, that
>>they apparently can't interrupt to serve customers. Some places will have
>>people jump in when necessary, and I always think better of them for it.
>>
>>I know nothing about running a store, but it seems to me that waiting on
>>customers should have priority over other tasks, which can be done when
>>you're not busy.
>
>IOW,  "I'm completely ignorant, but I'll spout off anyway"
>
>
>Never mind compulsary military service -- I think every citizen should be
>required to work for a few months as a retail clerk or in a similar service
>capacity, preferably during a period that includes the holiday season.
>Now THAT would be a good education for a lot of people.

But I have worked behind the counter. The people I mentioned were
goofing off. They weren't doing other tasks. I've run a cash register
during a high school student lunch rush ( 100 plus students every 30
minutes for 2 hours) at a Burger Chef, been a part time janitor when
most of the places I cleaned would not get out of the way ( they were
just sitting there smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee ), repaired
computers being interrupted by people who wanted me to stop working on
that one, and fix their typically fictional problem with their
computer. They just wanted someone to pester.

I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to put up with that anymore.

-- 
Jim

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#214336

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-09-16 21:55 +0000
Message-ID<hsfftlFc6v3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#214332
On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
> whenever you walk into a store.

Hear, hear!

Niklas
-- 
Nowadays, I assume that the shinier something is, the more it sucks.
It's much quicker overall.
                              -- Lawns 'R' Us

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#214348

Frommaus <maus@dmaus.org>
Date2020-09-17 07:20 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrm63ih.275.maus@dmaus.org>
In reply to#214332
On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>
> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
> whenever you walk into a store.
>a
>
>re cumpolsary militart service.
>
>No Military anywhere wamts to enlist 'damaged' young people into  their 
>Army.  The history of such units in any Army is disastrous, from the units
>That the German Army used in Byelorussia during the war, to the US units
>that committed the massacre at MyLai.  Films like 'the Dirty Dozen' are
>Bull****

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#214355

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-17 10:06 -0500
Message-ID<epu6mfplg4faopjlnhcqdr2pbl0mshmljn@4ax.com>
In reply to#214348
On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>
>> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
>> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
>> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
>> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
>> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
>> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
>> whenever you walk into a store.
>>a
>>
>>re cumpolsary militart service.
>>
>>No Military anywhere wamts to enlist 'damaged' young people into  their 
>>Army.  The history of such units in any Army is disastrous, from the units
>>That the German Army used in Byelorussia during the war, to the US units
>>that committed the massacre at MyLai.  Films like 'the Dirty Dozen' are
>>Bull****

During WW2 US criminals were given the choice of enlisting or going to
prison; however, before war's end all US military organizations
refused to take any more of them.

-- 
Jim

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#214356

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-17 11:15 -0400
Message-ID<rjvuhr$i1h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#214355
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:

> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>
>>> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
>>> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
>>> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
>>> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
>>> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
>>> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
>>> whenever you walk into a store.
>>>a
>>>
>>>re cumpolsary militart service.
>>>
>>>No Military anywhere wamts to enlist 'damaged' young people into  their 
>>>Army.  The history of such units in any Army is disastrous, from the units
>>>That the German Army used in Byelorussia during the war, to the US units
>>>that committed the massacre at MyLai.  Films like 'the Dirty Dozen' are
>>>Bull****
>
> During WW2 US criminals were given the choice of enlisting or going to
> prison; however, before war's end all US military organizations
> refused to take any more of them.

I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.

He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#214359

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-17 12:37 -0500
Message-ID<3j77mfti26ddaajfdcl92na2gr0c4of141@4ax.com>
In reply to#214356
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:15:07 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:
>JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
>>>> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
>>>> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
>>>> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
>>>> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
>>>> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
>>>> whenever you walk into a store.
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>re cumpolsary militart service.
>>>>
>>>>No Military anywhere wamts to enlist 'damaged' young people into  their 
>>>>Army.  The history of such units in any Army is disastrous, from the units
>>>>That the German Army used in Byelorussia during the war, to the US units
>>>>that committed the massacre at MyLai.  Films like 'the Dirty Dozen' are
>>>>Bull****
>>
>> During WW2 US criminals were given the choice of enlisting or going to
>> prison; however, before war's end all US military organizations
>> refused to take any more of them.
>
>I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
>the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>
>He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
>case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.

I heard of it, but it may or may not have been as widespread as it was
before 1944. One high school buddy who did 4 tours in Viet Nam, and a
relative who was there several times, didn't mention it to me. Of
course, they may have felt it was something they didn't want to talk
about.

-- 
Jim

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#214363

Frommaus <maus@dmaus.org>
Date2020-09-17 20:07 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrm7gfr.hoc.maus@dmaus.org>
In reply to#214359
On 2020-09-17, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:15:07 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>>>
>
> I heard of it, but it may or may not have been as widespread as it was
> before 1944. One high school buddy who did 4 tours in Viet Nam, and a
> relative who was there several times, didn't mention it to me. Of
> course, they may have felt it was something they didn't want to talk
> about.
>
During the US Civil war, people conscripted for North or South could
put a hired Irishman in their place, Morgan the Bankster did it and
laughed later about the 'Other' Morgan. People in Ireland were still
starving after the Famine, and would do anything to get to the US or
CSA.

(I was told that once by an elderly relative.)

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#214370

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-18 10:01 -0500
Message-ID<8ti9mfh0mv2s8dg7fhinam6m9gappuu6sd@4ax.com>
In reply to#214363
On 17 Sep 2020 20:07:23 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2020-09-17, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:15:07 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>> I heard of it, but it may or may not have been as widespread as it was
>> before 1944. One high school buddy who did 4 tours in Viet Nam, and a
>> relative who was there several times, didn't mention it to me. Of
>> course, they may have felt it was something they didn't want to talk
>> about.
>>
>During the US Civil war, people conscripted for North or South could
>put a hired Irishman in their place, Morgan the Bankster did it and
>laughed later about the 'Other' Morgan. People in Ireland were still
>starving after the Famine, and would do anything to get to the US or
>CSA.
>
>(I was told that once by an elderly relative.)

And there was the Irish Brigade fielded by the Union.

-- 
Jim

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#214373

Frommaus <maus@dmaus.org>
Date2020-09-18 16:45 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrm9p26.bvq.maus@dmaus.org>
In reply to#214370
On 2020-09-18, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2020 20:07:23 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>On 2020-09-17, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:15:07 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>>>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> I heard of it, but it may or may not have been as widespread as it was
>>> before 1944. One high school buddy who did 4 tours in Viet Nam, and a
>>> relative who was there several times, didn't mention it to me. Of
>>> course, they may have felt it was something they didn't want to talk
>>> about.
>>>
>>During the US Civil war, people conscripted for North or South could
>>put a hired Irishman in their place, Morgan the Bankster did it and
>>laughed later about the 'Other' Morgan. People in Ireland were still
>>starving after the Famine, and would do anything to get to the US or
>>CSA.
>>
>>(I was told that once by an elderly relative.)
>
> And there was the Irish Brigade fielded by the Union.
>
> and another serving with the Confederates.
>

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#214375

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-09-18 11:22 -0700
Message-ID<1581547798.622145923.305408.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#214373
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2020-09-18, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 17 Sep 2020 20:07:23 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>> On 2020-09-17, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:15:07 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I heard of it, but it may or may not have been as widespread as it was
>>>> before 1944. One high school buddy who did 4 tours in Viet Nam, and a
>>>> relative who was there several times, didn't mention it to me. Of
>>>> course, they may have felt it was something they didn't want to talk
>>>> about.
>>>> 
>>> During the US Civil war, people conscripted for North or South could
>>> put a hired Irishman in their place, Morgan the Bankster did it and
>>> laughed later about the 'Other' Morgan. People in Ireland were still
>>> starving after the Famine, and would do anything to get to the US or
>>> CSA.
>>> 
>>> (I was told that once by an elderly relative.)
>> 
>> And there was the Irish Brigade fielded by the Union.
>> 
>> and another serving with the Confederates.
>> 
> 

Irish had been fighting in Ireland for centuries, they must have been
getting pretty good at it. Actually, considering the discrimination against
the Irish at the time, the military must have looked like a pretty good
deal.

-- 
Pete

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#214362

Frommaus <maus@dmaus.org>
Date2020-09-17 19:59 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrm7g0v.hoc.maus@dmaus.org>
In reply to#214356
On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
>>>> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
>>>> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
>>>> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
>>>> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
>>>> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
>>>> whenever you walk into a store.
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>re cumpolsary militart service.
>>>>
>>>>No Military anywhere wamts to enlist 'damaged' young people into  their 
>>>>Army.  The history of such units in any Army is disastrous, from the units
>>>>That the German Army used in Byelorussia during the war, to the US units
>>>>that committed the massacre at MyLai.  Films like 'the Dirty Dozen' are
>>>>Bull****
>>
>> During WW2 US criminals were given the choice of enlisting or going to
>> prison; however, before war's end all US military organizations
>> refused to take any more of them.
>
> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>
> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.
>
>
>depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging 
>a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference, 

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#214421

Fromusenet@only.tnx (Questor)
Date2020-09-19 23:25 +0000
Message-ID<5f669381.3547230@news.dslextreme.com>
In reply to#214362
On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>On 2020-09-16, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>>>> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
>>>>> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
>>>>> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
>>>>> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
>>>>> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
>>>>> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
>>>>> whenever you walk into a store.
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>re cumpolsary militart service.
>>>>>
>>>>>No Military anywhere wamts to enlist 'damaged' young people into  their 
>>>>>Army.  The history of such units in any Army is disastrous, from the units
>>>>>That the German Army used in Byelorussia during the war, to the US units
>>>>>that committed the massacre at MyLai.  Films like 'the Dirty Dozen' are
>>>>>Bull****
>>>
>>> During WW2 US criminals were given the choice of enlisting or going to
>>> prison; however, before war's end all US military organizations
>>> refused to take any more of them.
>>
>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>>
>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.
>
>depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging 
>a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference, 

Of course.  The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get
a slap on the wrist.

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#214423

FromChris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>
Date2020-09-20 12:03 +0100
Message-ID<rk7cti$1v5g$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#214421
On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>  wrote:
>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> JimP<chucktheouch@gmail.com>  writes:
>>>> On 17 Sep 2020 07:20:49 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>  wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-09-16, Questor<usenet@only.tnx>  wrote:
>>>>>> You really want to learn something about how "the other half" lives?  Sign up
>>>>>> for a holiday retail job at any of the big-name stores in your area.  They've
>>>>>> already starting their seasonal hiring campaigns, so they're ready to accept
>>>>>> your application and their standards are quite relaxed.  If you had that retail
>>>>>> experience, I think you'd be a lot more patient and understanding about the
>>>>>> employees, instead of thinking you should be the absolute center of attention
>>>>>> whenever you walk into a store.
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> re cumpolsary militart service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No Military anywhere wamts to enlist 'damaged' young people into  their
>>>>>> Army.  The history of such units in any Army is disastrous, from the units
>>>>>> That the German Army used in Byelorussia during the war, to the US units
>>>>>> that committed the massacre at MyLai.  Films like 'the Dirty Dozen' are
>>>>>> Bull****
>>>>
>>>> During WW2 US criminals were given the choice of enlisting or going to
>>>> prison; however, before war's end all US military organizations
>>>> refused to take any more of them.
>>>
>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>>>
>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.
>>
>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging
>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference,
>
> Of course.  The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get
> a slap on the wrist.
>

The UK Army have a program for young offenders which has been very
successful, from what i've read. Turning boys into men, through
training in self discipline, hard work, self reliance and no excuses.
Enuf of the bo**ocks, in fact :-).

Could do with a bit more of such attitudes, or isn't that fashionable
enough any more ?...

Chris

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#214425

Frommaus <maus@dmaus.org>
Date2020-09-20 14:27 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrmepln.7mh.maus@dmaus.org>
In reply to#214423
On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote:
> On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote:
>> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>  wrote:
>>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
>>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>>>>
>>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
>>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.
>>>
>>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging
>>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference,
>>
>> Of course.  The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get
>> a slap on the wrist.
>>

Where? Our police here , (.ie) usual ignore the smokers. but check and 
and watch wholesalers. They are easily spotted, 

>
> The UK Army have a program for young offenders which has been very
> successful, from what i've read. Turning boys into men, through
> training in self discipline, hard work, self reliance and no excuses.
> Enuf of the bo**ocks, in fact :-).
>
> Could do with a bit more of such attitudes, or isn't that fashionable
> enough any more ?...
>
> Chris
>

I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say,
.9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It
depends on the individual

It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is
washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire 
and have no inspections.

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#214426

FromChris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>
Date2020-09-20 16:08 +0100
Message-ID<rk7r8o$34n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#214425
On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote:
> On 2020-09-20, Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>  wrote:
>> On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote:
>>> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>   wrote:
>>>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
>>>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>>>>>
>>>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
>>>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.
>>>>
>>>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging
>>>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference,
>>>
>>> Of course.  The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get
>>> a slap on the wrist.
>>>
>
> Where? Our police here , (.ie) usual ignore the smokers. but check and
> and watch wholesalers. They are easily spotted,
>
>>
>> The UK Army have a program for young offenders which has been very
>> successful, from what i've read. Turning boys into men, through
>> training in self discipline, hard work, self reliance and no excuses.
>> Enuf of the bo**ocks, in fact :-).
>>
>> Could do with a bit more of such attitudes, or isn't that fashionable
>> enough any more ?...
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say,
> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It
> depends on the individual
>
> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is
> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire
> and have no inspections.

So much in life is dependent on self respect and knowing who you are.
Perhaps the services life does suit some because it can provide the
sort of grounding and example that many people were denied as children.
So many broken families, with the kids often the greatest casualties,
no surprise that some go off the rails.

As for ex soldiers, some do well in management, but many are difficult
because they are direct and don't suffer fools gladly. Not the most
endearing trait in the overly pc and woke world...

Chris



whereas may ex offenders
have found themselves in trouble be

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#214428

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-20 10:52 -0500
Message-ID<5kuemf9ms6ub6sh39vnb2botbav73s4jum@4ax.com>
In reply to#214426
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:08:10 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>
wrote:
>On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote:
>> On 2020-09-20, Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>  wrote:
>>> On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote:
>>>> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>   wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
>>>>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
>>>>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.
>>>>>
>>>>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging
>>>>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference,
>>>>
>>>> Of course.  The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get
>>>> a slap on the wrist.
>>>>
>>
>> Where? Our police here , (.ie) usual ignore the smokers. but check and
>> and watch wholesalers. They are easily spotted,
>>
>>>
>>> The UK Army have a program for young offenders which has been very
>>> successful, from what i've read. Turning boys into men, through
>>> training in self discipline, hard work, self reliance and no excuses.
>>> Enuf of the bo**ocks, in fact :-).
>>>
>>> Could do with a bit more of such attitudes, or isn't that fashionable
>>> enough any more ?...
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say,
>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It
>> depends on the individual
>>
>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is
>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire
>> and have no inspections.
>
>So much in life is dependent on self respect and knowing who you are.
>Perhaps the services life does suit some because it can provide the
>sort of grounding and example that many people were denied as children.
>So many broken families, with the kids often the greatest casualties,
>no surprise that some go off the rails.
>
>As for ex soldiers, some do well in management, but many are difficult
>because they are direct and don't suffer fools gladly. Not the most
>endearing trait in the overly pc and woke world...

I had little tolerance for idiocy before I volunteered. Less after my
contract expired. Well, Reduction in Forces, after Viet Nam.

Some jobs I could point it out, most not.

>Chris
>
>
>
>whereas may ex offenders
>have found themselves in trouble be

Was there for more ?

-- 
Jim

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#214433

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-20 14:57 -0400
Message-ID<c09fmfdgj28gl8a053p15156ffrat2mptc@4ax.com>
In reply to#214426
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:08:10 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote:
>> On 2020-09-20, Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>  wrote:
>>> On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote:
>>>> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>   wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him
>>>>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same.  So in at least one
>>>>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s.
>>>>>
>>>>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging
>>>>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference,
>>>>
>>>> Of course.  The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get
>>>> a slap on the wrist.
>>>>
>>
>> Where? Our police here , (.ie) usual ignore the smokers. but check and
>> and watch wholesalers. They are easily spotted,
>>
>>>
>>> The UK Army have a program for young offenders which has been very
>>> successful, from what i've read. Turning boys into men, through
>>> training in self discipline, hard work, self reliance and no excuses.
>>> Enuf of the bo**ocks, in fact :-).
>>>
>>> Could do with a bit more of such attitudes, or isn't that fashionable
>>> enough any more ?...
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say,
>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It
>> depends on the individual
>>
>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is
>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire
>> and have no inspections.
>
>So much in life is dependent on self respect and knowing who you are.
>Perhaps the services life does suit some because it can provide the
>sort of grounding and example that many people were denied as children.
>So many broken families, with the kids often the greatest casualties,
>no surprise that some go off the rails.
>
>As for ex soldiers, some do well in management, but many are difficult
>because they are direct and don't suffer fools gladly. Not the most
>endearing trait in the overly pc and woke world...

Depends on what they did in the service.  I worked for a guy who never
went above PFC.  The engineers under him understood that you hever ask
him a question, you just try to read his mind, because apparently he
got chewed out by a sergeant once for asking a question and he thought
that that was what a leader was supposed to do, chew people out for
asking question.  

The idiot would deliberately sabotage bids because he thought the
potential production orders were "too small".

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#214456

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-09-21 09:09 +0000
Message-ID<hsr8udFpulcU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#214433
On 2020-09-20, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> Depends on what they did in the service.  I worked for a guy who never
> went above PFC.  The engineers under him understood that you hever ask
> him a question, you just try to read his mind, because apparently he
> got chewed out by a sergeant once for asking a question and he thought
> that that was what a leader was supposed to do, chew people out for
> asking question.  
>
> The idiot would deliberately sabotage bids because he thought the
> potential production orders were "too small".

Wow. I don't think I'd have lasted more than a few days.

Niklas
-- 
Which brings up an important BOFHly question: How do you go about pissing on the
grave of someone whose ashes were buried at sea?  Taking a whiz off the end of
the pier just isn't satisfying enough.
                       -- Brian Kantor

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#214455

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-09-21 09:07 +0000
Message-ID<hsr8qhFpulcU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#214426
On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote:
> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote:
>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say,
>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It
>> depends on the individual
>>
>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is
>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire
>> and have no inspections.
>
> So much in life is dependent on self respect and knowing who you are.
> Perhaps the services life does suit some because it can provide the
> sort of grounding and example that many people were denied as children.
> So many broken families, with the kids often the greatest casualties,
> no surprise that some go off the rails.
>
> As for ex soldiers, some do well in management, but many are difficult
> because they are direct and don't suffer fools gladly. Not the most
> endearing trait in the overly pc and woke world...

I sometimes wonder where I'd have been in life if I'd completed
mandatory military service. Here (.se) it was indeed mandatory when I
turned 18 (late 90s), but in reality, budget cuts made them only draft
maybe 10% of people, focusing on those most motivated. In 1998, along
with a busload (coachload?) of other young men, many of them classmates
from high school, I went to a naval base for a regime of testing. They
were not terribly interested in me, sending me home even during the
first day (for most, it was a two-day affair).

My father was quite insistent that I attend, which is ironic since he
himself had not handled it well. He basically badgered the company
psychologist until he was finally given a medical discharge, based on
being extremely uncomfortable handling tools of murder.

Mandatory military service was later abolished, but is now back in an
extremely "soft" version, for both genders this time. The number they're
inducting is likely well below the number of young'uns wanting to
volunteer in the first place. As I understand it, they send out a form
to everyone turning 18, asking whether they would be motivated to serve.
If you say no, you most likely won't be drafted, unless they can't fill
their quota.

Niklas
-- 
Eels are not vehicles; they are pedestrians to a first approximation.
                       -- Roger Burton West

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