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| Started by | Iron Spring Software <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2020-07-24 09:38 -0700 |
| Last post | 2020-07-30 20:27 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 164 — 35 participants |
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DEC Iron Spring Software <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2020-07-24 09:38 -0700
Re: DEC Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-07-24 17:12 -0300
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-24 17:14 -0400
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-24 19:43 -0700
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-24 23:28 -0400
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-25 02:06 -0700
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 05:27 -0400
Re: DEC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-25 10:58 +0100
Re: 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-25 17:21 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 13:54 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 14:43 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 18:05 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 20:27 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 21:08 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 23:29 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 23:30 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-26 00:06 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-05 06:06 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-07 10:19 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-07 20:01 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-07 22:45 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:35 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-09 15:33 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 13:16 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 15:00 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 18:35 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-10 23:10 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-09 19:18 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 18:40 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 18:39 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 18:43 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 23:32 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-26 21:45 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-26 18:01 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-27 06:38 +0100
Re: 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-26 01:24 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 18:39 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-07-26 20:18 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-25 19:39 +0100
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-25 12:50 -0700
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-25 02:26 -0700
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-07-26 19:23 +0000
Re: DEC Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-26 21:05 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-26 16:23 -0700
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-26 21:24 -0400
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-27 11:42 -0700
Re: DEC archaeology John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-27 02:41 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-07-27 07:37 +0100
Re: DEC archaeology Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-27 07:10 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-27 09:03 +0100
Re: DEC archaeology Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2020-07-27 02:09 -0700
Re: DEC archaeology Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-27 11:27 +0100
Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-27 12:22 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-07-27 20:51 -0400
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-28 06:02 +0100
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-07-28 08:29 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-07-28 17:30 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2020-07-28 18:18 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-07-28 19:57 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-28 21:32 +0100
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2020-07-28 21:34 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-28 18:33 -0400
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-28 20:55 +0100
Re: DEC archaeology John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-27 14:53 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-07-27 11:30 -0500
Re: DEC archaeology scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-27 16:37 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-07-28 10:24 -0500
Re: DEC archaeology scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-28 15:59 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-27 11:42 -0700
Re: DEC archaeology J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-27 18:47 -0400
Re: DEC archaeology Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-27 17:43 -0700
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-07-28 03:21 +0000
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-07-28 17:30 +0000
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-28 20:27 +0000
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-28 18:53 -0400
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-29 10:36 +0100
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-02 12:55 +0200
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-02 12:49 -0400
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-29 14:08 -0700
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-29 14:04 -0700
Re: DEC Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2020-07-30 03:49 -0600
Re: DEC scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-30 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-30 10:12 -0700
Re: DEC scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-30 18:40 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-30 12:02 -0700
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-07-31 02:38 -0700
Re: DEC large computers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-31 20:21 +0000
Re: DEC large computers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-31 23:23 +0000
Re: DEC large computers J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-31 21:13 -0400
Re: DEC large computers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-01 10:39 +0000
Re: vectors, was DEC large computers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-01 02:21 +0000
Re: vectors, was DEC large computers Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-01 11:14 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-07-31 20:30 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 00:00 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:20 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-01 07:00 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 08:18 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 11:52 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-02 21:58 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-02 18:50 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:23 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 13:34 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-01 00:55 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:27 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-01 17:27 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-01 12:11 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-01 19:56 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-01 20:18 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-01 23:42 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 20:32 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-02 12:58 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 16:28 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-08-02 20:42 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 20:27 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-02 00:28 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-02 08:01 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 16:47 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 19:45 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-08-03 21:00 -0600
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-02 22:45 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 07:45 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-01 08:24 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:30 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:34 -0700
Re: DEC large computers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-01 00:51 -0700
Re: DEC large computers robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:23 -0700
Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-07-31 21:16 -0400
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2020-08-01 01:56 +0000
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> - 2020-08-01 15:59 +0100
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-01 22:09 -0400
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-01 22:07 -0400
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-03 00:32 +0000
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-02 23:54 -0700
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 07:45 -0700
Re: DEC robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-03 09:16 -0700
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 10:10 -0700
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 10:35 -0700
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-03 11:28 -0700
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-03 21:26 +0000
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 16:38 -0700
Re: DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-03 21:44 -0400
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-03 23:55 -0700
Re: DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 08:05 -0400
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 08:59 -0400
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-04 06:29 -0700
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-04 07:48 -0700
Re: DEC Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-05 04:13 +0000
Re: DEC robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-04 22:45 -0700
Re: DEC JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 12:33 -0500
Re: DEC "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-05 19:31 +0000
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-04 22:57 -0700
Re: DEC Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-05 08:13 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-05 10:58 -0700
Re: DEC drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-08-05 13:28 -0500
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-06 16:21 -0700
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:23 +0000
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-03 11:31 -0700
Re: DEC danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2020-08-03 18:38 +0000
Re: DEC "m. thompson" <michael.99.thompson@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 05:38 -0700
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-04 18:54 +0000
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-03 00:32 +0000
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-30 13:29 -0700
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-07-30 20:27 +0000
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 21:32 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) |
| Message-ID | <20200728213250.e853639b4755d7e44f257f55@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212444 |
On 28 Jul 2020 19:57:52 GMT Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote: > Aziz reassures him: "Don't worry, old chap. Leprosy can only be caught by > the most intimate of contact". Reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) tale of the poor sod who after a night of delight with a stranger wakes alone to find, scrawled in lipstick on the bathroom mirror, "Welcome to AIDS". -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 21:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) |
| Message-ID | <qE77wu.Auv@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #212448 |
In article <20200728213250.e853639b4755d7e44f257f55@eircom.net>, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >On 28 Jul 2020 19:57:52 GMT >Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote: > >> Aziz reassures him: "Don't worry, old chap. Leprosy can only be caught by >> the most intimate of contact". > > Reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) tale of the poor sod who >after a night of delight with a stranger wakes alone to find, scrawled in >lipstick on the bathroom mirror, "Welcome to AIDS". Beats waking up in the bathtub with both kidneys missing. There are treatments for AIDS nowadays. Not to cure it, but to regulate its effects. Reminds me of an old (probably very old) joke that I read in 1950s-era novel about a medical student. Professor asks the student, "Which would you rather have, tuberculosis or syphilis?" "Syphilis," says the student. "That's right," says the professor. "It's easier to cure, and you have more fun getting it." -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/ -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 18:33 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) |
| Message-ID | <gl91if13uub172l076haq2d0ujsop8j7cj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212449 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:34:06 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >In article <20200728213250.e853639b4755d7e44f257f55@eircom.net>, >Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>On 28 Jul 2020 19:57:52 GMT >>Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote: >> >>> Aziz reassures him: "Don't worry, old chap. Leprosy can only be caught by >>> the most intimate of contact". >> >> Reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) tale of the poor sod who >>after a night of delight with a stranger wakes alone to find, scrawled in >>lipstick on the bathroom mirror, "Welcome to AIDS". > >Beats waking up in the bathtub with both kidneys missing. There >are treatments for AIDS nowadays. Not to cure it, but to >regulate its effects. > >Reminds me of an old (probably very old) joke that I read in >1950s-era novel about a medical student. > >Professor asks the student, "Which would you rather have, >tuberculosis or syphilis?" > >"Syphilis," says the student. > >"That's right," says the professor. "It's easier to cure, and >you have more fun getting it." Note for the record that the treatments for AIDS while effective are not fun. Someone I know collected a very large sum of money from Yale New Haven Hospital because they treated her for AIDS when she was not in fact infected with HIV, thereby doing irreparable damage to her health. If you know someone with CBS All Access you can see her tell her story on the Jan 1 1995 episode of "60 Minutes" (this was before Yale settled).
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 20:55 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) |
| Message-ID | <20200728205540.ee5b7b6bb034472d0d793d63@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212441 |
On 28 Jul 2020 17:30:57 GMT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On the other hand, I'm sure I saw a wonderful description of > venereal diseases that Heinlein came up with, but I can't remember > where. He described them as extremely fragile - so much so that > they can only be transmitted by intimate personal contact, being > unable to survive outside the body for any length of time. > (Toilet seats excepted, I presume.) He was suggesting that they were the easiest disease group of all to wipe out - not sure in what though and a niggle in the mind keeps thinking of Spider Robinson. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 14:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <rfmpq6$1r67$2@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #212395 |
In article <ho7b26FsuluU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >John Levine wrote: > >> VMS lives on, supported by this company: >> https://vmssoftware.com/ > >Correct on alpha, itanium and soon x86_64 > >> They've open sourced VMS so you can download it from Sourceforge. > >Errrr, shall we just say "less correct"? Oh, whoops, that was just some of the applications. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 11:30 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <8bGdnc-UG4KpnILCnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #212411 |
> >> They've open sourced VMS so you can download it from Sourceforge. > > > >Errrr, shall we just say "less correct"? > Oh, whoops, that was just some of the applications. The FreeVMS thing was an unsuccessful attempt to code a VMS-alike from scratch. De
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 16:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <BpDTG.242027$PN2.215326@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #212411 |
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >In article <ho7b26FsuluU1@mid.individual.net>, >Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >>John Levine wrote: >> >>> VMS lives on, supported by this company: >>> https://vmssoftware.com/ >> >>Correct on alpha, itanium and soon x86_64 >> >>> They've open sourced VMS so you can download it from Sourceforge. >> >>Errrr, shall we just say "less correct"? > >Oh, whoops, that was just some of the applications. > Well, I did donate the full VMS source to CHM (on microfiche). I don't think anyone has scanned it in yet.... I've got a couple of boxes of RMS (Record Management Services which occupied the Executive ring on the VAX) listings (circa VMS 3.0) that I've been moving around for the last forty years and bits and pieces of other VMS components (print symbionts, decnet ACP, et alia).
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| From | drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 10:24 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <af-dnXsV7-2o3r3CnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #212415 |
> Well, I did donate the full VMS source to CHM (on microfiche). I > don't think anyone has scanned it in yet.... Even the listings kits supplied to the support centers were not the full source, according to a recent post by a former VMS engineer in comp.os.vms. The ones supplied to customers were even more redacted, and did not include licensed source, build procedures, and at least a few other sensitive things. De
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 15:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <rXXTG.50093$Li1.21782@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #212437 |
drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) writes: > > Well, I did donate the full VMS source to CHM (on microfiche). I > > don't think anyone has scanned it in yet.... > >Even the listings kits supplied to the support centers were not the full >source, according to a recent post by a former VMS engineer in >comp.os.vms. The ones supplied to customers were even more redacted, >and did not include licensed source, build procedures, and at least a >few other sensitive things. We had the full source at the time (machine buildable) in addition to the fiche (which may have been redacted, we never actually used the fiche - since we had the source). I rebuilt VMS a couple of times to fix bugs in the create mailbox (when targetting the MA780 shared memory unit) system call. This would have been circa VMS 2.4.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 11:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <893318214.617567812.331439.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212392 |
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > In article <1411296828.617497929.421726.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>, > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Many computer companies of the era still have current models, at least in >> name. Besides IBM z there are systems from Unisys, both former Burroughs >> and former Sperry. I would have expected HP to still be marketing something >> called a VAX, with somewhat familiar software. ... > > The VAX is long dead. Remember that DEC tried to migrate everyone to > their Alpha RISC chip. Didn’t they still call it a VAX? 9600 or something? > > But VMS lives on, supported by this company: > > https://vmssoftware.com/ > > They've open sourced VMS so you can download it from Sourceforge. > -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 18:47 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <n3muhfpao4bjci7ufi9qlm57vhr5omfhp2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212419 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:42:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >> In article <1411296828.617497929.421726.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>, >> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Many computer companies of the era still have current models, at least in >>> name. Besides IBM z there are systems from Unisys, both former Burroughs >>> and former Sperry. I would have expected HP to still be marketing something >>> called a VAX, with somewhat familiar software. ... >> >> The VAX is long dead. Remember that DEC tried to migrate everyone to >> their Alpha RISC chip. > >Didn’t they still call it a VAX? 9600 or something? They were proud of the Alpha--I'm pretty sure they used the name on any system they sold with it. >> >> But VMS lives on, supported by this company: >> >> https://vmssoftware.com/ >> >> They've open sourced VMS so you can download it from Sourceforge. >>
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-07-27 17:43 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: DEC archaeology |
| Message-ID | <3524e097-35fe-4f62-8124-ec2cc1bfe679o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212419 |
On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > > The VAX is long dead. Remember that DEC tried to migrate everyone to > > their Alpha RISC chip. > Didn’t they still call it a VAX? 9600 or something? That would have been confusing; the VAX and the Alpha were polar opposites, the VAX being a CISC descendant of the PDP-11 with lots of addressing modes, and Alpha being RISC. What they did have were the Alpha 3000 AXP up to the Alpha 10000 AXP, and they did port OpenVMS to the Alpha architecture. John Savard
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 03:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5f1f99bf.596447@news.dslextreme.com> |
| In reply to | #212390 |
On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:23:41 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote: >>On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:38:37 -0700, Iron Spring Software <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> >>wrote: >>>I'm struck again by how a fairly large computer company with such a >>>large and vibrant community of users could disappear like the Titanic >>>leaving so few traces. You'd think some pieces could have been rescued. >>Surely you know that DEC was purchased by Compaq, which was subsequently bought >>by HP. >> >>What traces, and where would you expect to find them, twenty-five years after >>DEC ceased to exist as an independent company? > >Many computer companies of the era still have current models, at least in >name. Besides IBM z there are systems from Unisys, both former Burroughs >and former Sperry. Where are the mainframes from NCR, Control Data, General Electric, and RCA? Where are the minicomputers from Data General, Wang, and Prime? Where are the Apollo workstations and the Gateway PCs? Where are Wordstar, Wordperfect, Lotus 1-2-3, Quattro Pro, Novell Netware, Banyan Vines... I submit that disappearing and leaving few traces is the norm for most companies rather than the exception. >I would have expected HP to still be marketing something >called a VAX, with somewhat familiar software. I think DEC was bigger than >both Compaq and HP, so it was a case of the mouse eating the elephant. It's not clear to me what Compaq was expecting to get from purchasing DEC. It's obvious they weren't going to be making VAXes. The story I heard was that they wanted DEC's support network. When in turn HP bought Compaq, it was also extremely unlikely they would revive the VAX. Didn't/doesn't HP have their own line of minicomputers? Why would they have brought back the VAX? I would say that it was Compaq that killed the VAX. I don't know how viable the product line was at that point; I would surmise that it was ailing. >>DEC holds an important place in the history of the computer business and also >>the ARPAnet. >> >>Hobbyists and DEC enthusiasts have recovered much of the software and made it >>available via emulators. Museums have restored some of the hardware. >> >>Whether your point of view is that the market didn't want what DEC was offering, >>or that DEC didn't sell what the market wanted, the consequence was the same. >>The natural result of that lack of alignment is that there is little to no DEC >>presence in the commercial arena today. Obviously had things been different, >>DEC would have continued longer as a viable business and we would see more signs >>of it in the corporate world today. > >Ask Barb about Palmer. There does seem to have been haste to break up the >business and sell it for parts, none of which are still around in >recognizable form. It's like companies bought by private equity, who have >no interest at all in the company, or its products or intellectual capital, >but only in, for example, in the value of the real estate it owns. [spits] I have no need to ask Ms. Huizenga for her under-informed and overly biased opinion about anything. DEC was stumbling years before Palmer took the reins. It wasn't so obvious at the time, but the seeds of its decline were already sown. >> I can name dozens of now-defunct companies, prominent in their time and business >> sector, of which there are even fewer traces remaining today.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 17:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rfpnch22cmj@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #212432 |
On 2020-07-28, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote: > Where are the mainframes from NCR, Control Data, General Electric, and RCA? RCA (who built IBM 360 workalikes) was absorbed into Univac's line of IBM 360 workalikes, the remants of which might live on in whatever remains of their System 80 line. Otherwise, your point is valid. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 20:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC |
| Message-ID | <rfq1nv$13sb$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #212432 |
In article <5f1f99bf.596447@news.dslextreme.com>, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote: >>Many computer companies of the era still have current models, at least in >>name. Besides IBM z there are systems from Unisys, both former Burroughs >>and former Sperry. > >Where are the mainframes from NCR, Control Data, General Electric, and RCA? >Where are the minicomputers from Data General, Wang, and Prime? Where are the >Apollo workstations and the Gateway PCs? Didn't have enough locked in banking customers, I guess. Apollo was selling Unix clone workstatsions and were sold to H-P for over $400M which was a lot of money at the time. H-P merged them into their real Unix workstation line. NCR is a special case, sold itself to AT&T which did what big telcos always do with acquisitions, mismanage it until it was worthless and sell off the corpe for pennies. (Verizon is most of the way throught that process with AOL and Yahoo.) >Where are Wordstar, Wordperfect, >Lotus 1-2-3, Quattro Pro, Novell Netware, Banyan Vines... Wordperfect is still around, owned by Corel, popular among lawyers. IBM bought Lotus to get Notes and Domino, which was a good business for many years. They sold it to Indian firm HCL in 2019. I found 1-2-3 a few years ago as shovelware on an IBM branded PC. >It's not clear to me what Compaq was expecting to get from purchasing DEC. It's >obvious they weren't going to be making VAXes. The story I heard was that they >wanted DEC's support network. When in turn HP bought Compaq, it was also >extremely unlikely they would revive the VAX. Didn't/doesn't HP have their own >line of minicomputers? Why would they have brought back the VAX? HP had PA-RISC which did OK and was supported until 2013. Then there was Itanium which was an interesting idea that didn't work in practice. DEC was blindsided by the rise of LSI and single-chip computers. Their failure was pretty spectacular but really only IBM survived the micro transition in anything like recognizable form. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 18:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC |
| Message-ID | <lv91if170ogielb62jeje1q0k7vkesacnt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212446 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:27:44 -0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >In article <5f1f99bf.596447@news.dslextreme.com>, >Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote: >>>Many computer companies of the era still have current models, at least in >>>name. Besides IBM z there are systems from Unisys, both former Burroughs >>>and former Sperry. >> >>Where are the mainframes from NCR, Control Data, General Electric, and RCA? >>Where are the minicomputers from Data General, Wang, and Prime? Where are the >>Apollo workstations and the Gateway PCs? > >Didn't have enough locked in banking customers, I guess. Apollo was >selling Unix clone workstatsions and were sold to H-P for over $400M >which was a lot of money at the time. H-P merged them into their real >Unix workstation line. > >NCR is a special case, sold itself to AT&T which did what big telcos >always do with acquisitions, mismanage it until it was worthless and >sell off the corpe for pennies. (Verizon is most of the way throught >that process with AOL and Yahoo.) Bloody shame too. NCR was a decent enough outfit. I needed an update ROM for one of their PCs once, I had the part number, was willing to pay for it and everything. They didn't have a procedure for selling it to me--had to go through an authorized dealer, the closest of which was two hours and find-parking-in-Manhattan away. I called the phone number on the 10-K and got the CEO's secretary, who referred me to the "Corporate Ombudsman". I figured that was the end of that, but no, he took down all the details and about two hours later the phone rings. Female voice on the other end, in tones of someone on the verge of tears. She asked me what I needed, I told her, and in very relieved tones she exclaims "Oh, thank God, I can _do_ that!" and the next morning FedEx arrived with the blasted ROM. Of course if they had had a system in place to let me just order the thing they would have gotten 25 bucks or whatever it was worth, and not wasted CEO secretary time or corporate ombudsman time and wouldn't have had to terrorize that poor woman who got the call from the ombudsman (she wasn't someone I had talked to before). >>Where are Wordstar, Wordperfect, >>Lotus 1-2-3, Quattro Pro, Novell Netware, Banyan Vines... > >Wordperfect is still around, owned by Corel, popular among lawyers. > >IBM bought Lotus to get Notes and Domino, which was a good business >for many years. They sold it to Indian firm HCL in 2019. I found 1-2-3 >a few years ago as shovelware on an IBM branded PC. Pieces of Novell are still available from MicroFocus--their big problem was that they tried to be Microsoft and did it just when Windows and the Internet were hitting. Which would have been fine if they had seen which way the market was going and jumped on it hard, but they had their own protocol, IPX/SPX (which was actually a damned good protocol--Netware networks were amazing performers for the time) and dragged their feet on TCP/IP, and I'm not sure they _ever_ got a native Windows client into the market--on Windows boxen the netware driver was stacked on DOS. But they did put resources into buying WordPerfect and the remains of Digital Research and hare-brained scheme to port MacOS to x86 and Unix System Laboratories I really liked NetWare. It only did one thing but it did it superbly well. >>It's not clear to me what Compaq was expecting to get from purchasing DEC. It's >>obvious they weren't going to be making VAXes. The story I heard was that they >>wanted DEC's support network. When in turn HP bought Compaq, it was also >>extremely unlikely they would revive the VAX. Didn't/doesn't HP have their own >>line of minicomputers? Why would they have brought back the VAX? > >HP had PA-RISC which did OK and was supported until 2013. Then there >was Itanium which was an interesting idea that didn't work in >practice. > >DEC was blindsided by the rise of LSI and single-chip computers. Their >failure was pretty spectacular but really only IBM survived the micro >transition in anything like recognizable form.
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| From | Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-29 10:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC |
| Message-ID | <rfrfvf$ko3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212451 |
On 28/07/2020 23:53, J. Clarke wrote: > > I really liked NetWare. It only did one thing but it did it superbly > well. Novell's Netware? Referred to in our shop as Grovell's Grotware, after CompSurf took many hours to check a hard disk of only 100MB.
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2020-08-02 12:55 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC |
| Message-ID | <87bljtqpuo.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #212452 |
On Mi 29 Jul 2020 at 10:36, Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 28/07/2020 23:53, J. Clarke wrote: >> I really liked NetWare. It only did one thing but it did it >> superbly >> well. > > Novell's Netware? > > Referred to in our shop as Grovell's Grotware, > after CompSurf took many hours to check a hard > disk of only 100MB. We called it Novell Nightmare. 'Andreas
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-02 12:49 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC |
| Message-ID | <gkrdif10bdsrdfj4hge60srcrhmpgh46c8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212500 |
On Sun, 02 Aug 2020 12:55:27 +0200, Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote: >On Mi 29 Jul 2020 at 10:36, Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 28/07/2020 23:53, J. Clarke wrote: >>> I really liked NetWare. It only did one thing but it did it >>> superbly >>> well. >> >> Novell's Netware? >> >> Referred to in our shop as Grovell's Grotware, >> after CompSurf took many hours to check a hard >> disk of only 100MB. > >We called it Novell Nightmare. Have no idea what CompuSurf might be and I am curious to know what you were using for networking at the time that had better performance.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-29 14:08 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC |
| Message-ID | <705949101.617749581.145657.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212451 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > I really liked NetWare. It only did one thing but it did it superbly > well. > As opposed to a number of well-known companies that do everything, but make a botch of it all. -- Pete
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