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| Started by | "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
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| First post | 2016-06-05 16:10 +0100 |
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BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:10 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 15:25 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:25 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:41 +0100
Re: BLISS Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-05 12:20 -0700
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:08 +0100
Re: BLISS Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 07:38 +0200
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:33 +0100
Re: BLISS Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:05 +0200
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 14:54 +0100
Re: BLISS Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-06 08:03 -0700
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 16:07 +0100
Re: BLISS Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-06 08:11 -0700
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 02:31 -0700
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 10:26 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 12:01 +0100
Re: BLISS scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 16:48 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
Re: BLISS JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 14:16 -0500
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
Re: BLISS usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 21:04 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:30 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 10:23 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 10:24 +0000
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:09 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 12:27 +0000
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 07:48 -0700
Re: BLISS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:21 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 11:50 -0400
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 09:32 -0700
Re: BLISS - broken bar Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-08 15:35 -0400
Re: BLISS - broken bar Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-09 10:52 -0400
Re: BLISS - broken bar Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-09 20:11 +0000
Re: BLISS - broken bar Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-10 06:45 -0400
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
Re: BLISS Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-09 10:23 -0500
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-09 08:49 -0700
Re: BLISS "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 20:07 -0400
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-09 19:11 -0700
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-09 19:16 -0700
Re: BLISS "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-11 10:09 -0500
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-11 16:05 +0000
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-11 19:27 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-11 18:46 +0000
Re: BLISS "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-12 09:45 -0500
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 10:21 +0100
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 07:26 -0400
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 11:33 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 13:30 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 14:07 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:39 +0100
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 07:56 -0700
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 11:50 -0400
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 15:27 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 11:50 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 17:13 +0100
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-09 09:37 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-09 10:52 -0400
Re: BLISS Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-06-28 18:53 -0400
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 19:47 -0400
Re: BLISS "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 20:00 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 09:19 +0100
Re: BLISS "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 04:43 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 09:17 +0100
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-12 17:07 -0700
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-13 14:22 +0000
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-13 14:41 +0000
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-13 16:50 +0100
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-13 19:24 +0000
Re: BLISS Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-07-13 23:13 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-07-14 06:06 +0100
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-14 09:12 +0100
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-08 15:42 +0100
Re: BLISS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:21 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 16:44 +0100
Re: BLISS "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-11 10:19 -0500
Re: BLISS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-13 16:20 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 15:28 +0000
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-08 14:40 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 14:08 +0000
Re: BLISS Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-07-12 19:15 -0400
Re: BLISS David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 17:39 +0100
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 13:29 +0100
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-06-08 14:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20160608144026.9371d7213d9787f3ba23288c@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #164789 |
On 8 Jun 2016 11:33:04 GMT Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: > But certainly in BCPL, so I would guess mid 1960s. Clearly before C, > since BCPL begat B, which begat C. I've come across a fair few BCPL programmers, and of course many C programmers but I have never met anyone who has used B. With the usual correlation between popularity and quality it ought to be the best of the three by a good way. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-06-08 14:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <drqn7gFc6elU33@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #164801 |
On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 14:40:26 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On 8 Jun 2016 11:33:04 GMT Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: > >> But certainly in BCPL, so I would guess mid 1960s. Clearly before C, >> since BCPL begat B, which begat C. > > I've come across a fair few BCPL programmers, and of course many C > programmers but I have never met anyone who has used B. With the usual > correlation between popularity and quality it ought to be the best of > the three by a good way. Only really an internal Bell Labs thing. https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/kbman.html -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 19:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nm3tmc$de4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #164801 |
On 2016-06-08 9:40 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On 8 Jun 2016 11:33:04 GMT > Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: > >> But certainly in BCPL, so I would guess mid 1960s. Clearly before C, >> since BCPL begat B, which begat C. > > I've come across a fair few BCPL programmers, and of course many C > programmers but I have never met anyone who has used B. With the usual > correlation between popularity and quality it ought to be the best of the > three by a good way. Well, I still maintain the Gcos-8 B compiler and library. The language fits nicely on word addressed machines such a the GE-600 and descendants. Like BCPL it is an untyped language. I think it is better than BCPL, but C is just different. I also maintain a C compiler. B is just a lot simpler. The listing for our B compiler is is about 1/2 - 3/4 inches thick. Which is about 1/2 the size of of the CPP listing alone. Principally, B gives you access to a library of functions for system interfaces. The Gcos B library is far bigger than the compiler. See http://www.thinkage.ca/english/gcos/expl/b/manu/manu.html
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| From | David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 17:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nm5qrd$58h$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #167070 |
On 13/07/2016 00:15, Alan Bowler wrote: > On 2016-06-08 9:40 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> On 8 Jun 2016 11:33:04 GMT >> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >> >>> But certainly in BCPL, so I would guess mid 1960s. Clearly before C, >>> since BCPL begat B, which begat C. >> >> I've come across a fair few BCPL programmers, and of course many C >> programmers but I have never met anyone who has used B. With the usual >> correlation between popularity and quality it ought to be the best of the >> three by a good way. > > Well, I still maintain the Gcos-8 B compiler and library. The language > fits > nicely on word addressed machines such a the GE-600 and descendants. > > Like BCPL it is an untyped language. > > I think it is better than BCPL, but C is just different. > I also maintain a C compiler. > > B is just a lot simpler. The listing for our B compiler is > is about 1/2 - 3/4 inches thick. Which is about 1/2 the size of > of the CPP listing alone. > > Principally, B gives you access to a library of functions > for system interfaces. The Gcos B library is far bigger than the > compiler. > > See > http://www.thinkage.ca/english/gcos/expl/b/manu/manu.html I don't suppose you have a copy of the original K&R "B". It would be really nice to have a "GB" especially for machines like the S/360. Dave
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| From | "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-06-08 13:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nj9331$o82$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #164788 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:310680259.487077503.499123.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > > Where did the terms l-value and r-value originate? The first place I saw > them was C, maybe K&R, were they original there or did they come earlier? Fairly sure that it was BCPL
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