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| Started by | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2020-09-07 19:51 -0400 |
| Last post | 2020-09-08 19:59 -0400 |
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Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 19:51 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:03 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:16 -0700
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:50 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:12 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 23:51 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 17:40 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 18:04 -0400
Re: Keyboards again drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-08 13:19 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-08 21:26 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 17:52 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 00:51 +0100
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 17:42 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 19:50 +0100
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 19:49 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 21:18 +0100
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:44 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2020-09-08 21:59 -0400
Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 11:10 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-09 15:27 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:47 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-09-11 01:26 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-12 06:20 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-12 12:27 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-12 13:07 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:15 -0400
Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 21:57 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-03 22:11 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-03 19:26 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 09:02 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-04 12:22 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 16:42 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:39 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 22:06 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-04 08:30 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) the "Swampster" <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-06 12:13 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:30 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 10:06 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 11:17 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:30 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-04 19:13 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:07 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-05 01:23 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 09:54 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 13:47 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:22 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 11:03 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 11:10 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-10-05 18:27 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 20:03 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 18:20 -0400
Re: Barcodes Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 19:05 -0400
Re: Barcodes J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:57 -0400
Re: Barcodes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-10-06 15:30 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 16:52 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:54 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 21:53 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-06 07:33 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:21 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-04 22:38 -0500
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-04 21:19 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-10-05 03:04 -0500
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 11:01 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 12:50 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-05 10:06 -0500
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-10-06 21:16 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-07 06:38 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:36 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:00 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:28 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:06 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:33 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:24 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:02 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-13 07:05 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-13 09:24 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:38 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:20 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 23:54 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:47 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 18:35 -0400
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:44 +0000
Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 20:29 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-15 21:21 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-16 07:56 +0100
Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 10:16 +0100
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-16 09:55 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 11:25 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 18:03 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 13:57 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 19:08 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:48 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-17 06:55 +0100
Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-16 21:03 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:53 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 21:55 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 10:06 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 11:15 -0400
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 12:37 -0500
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 20:07 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 10:01 -0500
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-18 16:45 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 11:22 -0700
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 19:59 +0000
Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-19 23:25 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 12:03 +0100
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-20 14:27 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 16:08 +0100
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 10:52 -0500
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:57 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:09 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:07 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 14:32 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 13:37 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:45 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-22 12:49 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:37 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-22 13:38 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:31 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-22 15:39 -0700
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 20:55 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-22 19:39 -0700
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 00:13 -0400
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-23 10:52 +0000
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:48 -0400
Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-21 19:35 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:22 -0500
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-13 15:34 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-13 17:54 -0300
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 10:53 -0500
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 17:50 +0000
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-13 19:35 +0100
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 19:33 +0000
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-14 06:02 +0000
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-14 07:46 +0100
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 15:01 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:25 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:37 +0000
Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:38 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:36 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-10 10:39 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-09 06:02 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-09 14:14 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 10:18 -0400
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 14:49 -0500
Re: Keyboards again mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-09-09 20:36 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:51 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 14:58 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 17:12 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:49 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:09 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:14 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:19 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:14 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:32 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 09:44 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-08 10:49 +0100
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 07:17 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 08:02 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:33 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:59 -0400
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| From | Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-21 14:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rkaa23$u53$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #214455 |
On 09/21/20 10:07, Niklas Karlsson wrote: > On 2020-09-20, Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote: >>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >>> depends on the individual >>> >>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is >>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire >>> and have no inspections. >> >> So much in life is dependent on self respect and knowing who you are. >> Perhaps the services life does suit some because it can provide the >> sort of grounding and example that many people were denied as children. >> So many broken families, with the kids often the greatest casualties, >> no surprise that some go off the rails. >> >> As for ex soldiers, some do well in management, but many are difficult >> because they are direct and don't suffer fools gladly. Not the most >> endearing trait in the overly pc and woke world... > > I sometimes wonder where I'd have been in life if I'd completed > mandatory military service. Here (.se) it was indeed mandatory when I > turned 18 (late 90s), but in reality, budget cuts made them only draft > maybe 10% of people, focusing on those most motivated. In 1998, along > with a busload (coachload?) of other young men, many of them classmates > from high school, I went to a naval base for a regime of testing. They > were not terribly interested in me, sending me home even during the > first day (for most, it was a two-day affair). > > My father was quite insistent that I attend, which is ironic since he > himself had not handled it well. He basically badgered the company > psychologist until he was finally given a medical discharge, based on > being extremely uncomfortable handling tools of murder. > > Mandatory military service was later abolished, but is now back in an > extremely "soft" version, for both genders this time. The number they're > inducting is likely well below the number of young'uns wanting to > volunteer in the first place. As I understand it, they send out a form > to everyone turning 18, asking whether they would be motivated to serve. > If you say no, you most likely won't be drafted, unless they can't fill > their quota. > > Niklas National Service was mandatory in the UK as well, but missed that, when it was scrapped. Did apply to the RAF later, out of tech interest, Dan Dare comics etc. At interview, seemed to be doing ok, but then the question: Do you want to join to serve your country, or further your career ?. I answered, to learn something new and (indirectly) further my career. The interviewer, a crusty old squadron leader type, moustache and all, was horrified and that was the end of that. Perhaps nowadays they might see the value in keen, technically capable people and would make space for them, but not back then. Looking back, doubt if I would have lasted 5 minutes in the way it was then, too rebelious, questioning everything, and still do... Chris Been a electronics / radio anorak
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-21 13:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hsroleFpulcU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214462 |
On 2020-09-21, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote:
> National Service
[...]
> Looking back, doubt if I would have lasted 5 minutes in the way it was
> then, too rebelious, questioning everything, and still do...
I'm a bit like that myself. Probably would not have handled it well.
Niklas
--
If books were designed by Microsoft, the Anarchist's Cookbook would
explode when you read it.
-- Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes, asr
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 12:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrmjsft.6o5.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #214462 |
On 2020-09-21, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: > On 09/21/20 10:07, Niklas Karlsson wrote: >> On 2020-09-20, Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote: >>>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >>>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >>>> depends on the individual >>>> > that, when it was scrapped. Did apply to the RAF later, out > of tech interest, Dan Dare comics etc. At interview, seemed > to be doing ok, but then the question: Do you want to join to > serve your country, or further your career ?. I answered, to > learn something new and (indirectly) further my career. The > interviewer, a crusty old squadron leader type, moustache and > all, was horrified and that was the end of that. Perhaps nowadays > they might see the value in keen, technically capable people > and would make space for them, but not back then. Looking back, > doubt if I would have lasted 5 minutes in the way it was then, > too rebelious, questioning everything, and still do... > > Chris > One could easly see how Computer Games are really for making military service more palatable to get youngsters to join up. What would it be like to be in a tank when a shaped-charge enters and turns the crew into mincemeat?.. There are interviews from the men who had to hose out the human parts out of tanks in Normandy in 1944, then fill in the holes so the tanks could be reused. > > > > > Been > a electronics / radio anorak >
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 12:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hsua6uFeeajU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214484 |
On 2020-09-22, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
> What would it be like to be in a tank when a shaped-charge enters and
> turns the crew into mincemeat?.. There are interviews from the men who
> had to hose out the human parts out of tanks in Normandy in 1944, then
> fill in the holes so the tanks could be reused.
I expect if that's what happens, it'd be an instantaneous death. I doubt
you'd even have any time to realise what's happening.
Another outcome, of course, is the inside of the tank becoming a fiery
inferno. Now _that_ has to be infinitely more unpleasant.
Niklas
--
The company keeps a helpdesk to allow staff to vent certain excess
pressures by ranting, just as other excess pressures are vented thanks
to the company installing toilets. Generally the toilets last longer.
-- Anthony de Boer
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 12:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrmjs0t.6o5.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #214455 |
On 2020-09-21, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: > On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote: >>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >>> depends on the individual >>> >>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is >>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire >>> and have no inspections. >> Mandatory military service was later abolished, but is now back in an > extremely "soft" version, for both genders this time. The number they're > inducting is likely well below the number of young'uns wanting to > volunteer in the first place. As I understand it, they send out a form > to everyone turning 18, asking whether they would be motivated to serve. > If you say no, you most likely won't be drafted, unless they can't fill > their quota. > > Niklas > There is quiet a lot on the Internet at the moment about Vietnam, and the conscription for that, which amounted to more-privaleged and smarter draftees opting out easily, leaving the less rich and stupider one to do the actual fighting and how that affected the outcome.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 13:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hsud3jFrufkU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214483 |
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:37:49 +0000, maus wrote: > There is quiet a lot on the Internet at the moment about Vietnam, and > the conscription for that, which amounted to more-privaleged and smarter > draftees opting out easily, leaving the less rich and stupider one to do > the actual fighting and how that affected the outcome. Some of the rich ones were stupid, but Daddy got them out. Five times in one famous case. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 09:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6k2kmflbq2gtgogmv14q3g7qdnt7jns39o@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214483 |
On 22 Sep 2020 12:37:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >On 2020-09-21, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: >> On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote: >>>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >>>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >>>> depends on the individual >>>> >>>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is >>>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire >>>> and have no inspections. >>> > Mandatory military service was later abolished, but is now back in an >> extremely "soft" version, for both genders this time. The number they're >> inducting is likely well below the number of young'uns wanting to >> volunteer in the first place. As I understand it, they send out a form >> to everyone turning 18, asking whether they would be motivated to serve. >> If you say no, you most likely won't be drafted, unless they can't fill >> their quota. >> >> Niklas >> > >There is quiet a lot on the Internet at the moment about Vietnam, and >the conscription for that, which amounted to more-privaleged and smarter >draftees opting out easily, leaving the less rich and stupider one to do >the actual fighting and how that affected the outcome. One of my high school buddies told me about them being told to use essentially WW2 tactics, in a guerrilla war. That came from the military academy graduates, bad ideas. -- Jim
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 15:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1202171686.622506802.826801.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #214490 |
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22 Sep 2020 12:37:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >> On 2020-09-21, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: >>> On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote: >>>>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >>>>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >>>>> depends on the individual >>>>> >>>>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is >>>>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire >>>>> and have no inspections. >>>> >> Mandatory military service was later abolished, but is now back in an >>> extremely "soft" version, for both genders this time. The number they're >>> inducting is likely well below the number of young'uns wanting to >>> volunteer in the first place. As I understand it, they send out a form >>> to everyone turning 18, asking whether they would be motivated to serve. >>> If you say no, you most likely won't be drafted, unless they can't fill >>> their quota. >>> >>> Niklas >>> >> >> There is quiet a lot on the Internet at the moment about Vietnam, and >> the conscription for that, which amounted to more-privaleged and smarter >> draftees opting out easily, leaving the less rich and stupider one to do >> the actual fighting and how that affected the outcome. > > One of my high school buddies told me about them being told to use > essentially WW2 tactics, in a guerrilla war. That came from the > military academy graduates, bad ideas. > We started out fighting a guerilla war, with the green berets recruiting locals to fight the Viet Cong. At some point North Vietnam realized the VC wasn’t doing as well as it hoped, so they sent in the regular army. -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 20:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m77lmfddnmtu4itkerfcqtsll5bfv6i85p@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214500 |
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:39:25 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 22 Sep 2020 12:37:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>> On 2020-09-21, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: >>>> On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote: >>>>>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >>>>>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >>>>>> depends on the individual >>>>>> >>>>>> It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is >>>>>> washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire >>>>>> and have no inspections. >>>>> >>> Mandatory military service was later abolished, but is now back in an >>>> extremely "soft" version, for both genders this time. The number they're >>>> inducting is likely well below the number of young'uns wanting to >>>> volunteer in the first place. As I understand it, they send out a form >>>> to everyone turning 18, asking whether they would be motivated to serve. >>>> If you say no, you most likely won't be drafted, unless they can't fill >>>> their quota. >>>> >>>> Niklas >>>> >>> >>> There is quiet a lot on the Internet at the moment about Vietnam, and >>> the conscription for that, which amounted to more-privaleged and smarter >>> draftees opting out easily, leaving the less rich and stupider one to do >>> the actual fighting and how that affected the outcome. >> >> One of my high school buddies told me about them being told to use >> essentially WW2 tactics, in a guerrilla war. That came from the >> military academy graduates, bad ideas. >> > >We started out fighting a guerilla war, with the green berets recruiting >locals to fight the Viet Cong. At some point North Vietnam realized the VC >wasn’t doing as well as it hoped, so they sent in the regular army. That was after Nixon declared victory and pulled out.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 19:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2eabfdf2-fafa-4f9a-86bf-b9a54863f866n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #214503 |
On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote: > That was after Nixon declared victory and pulled out. I thought it was Ford who did that. John Savard
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-23 00:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pjilmft6okhl13d38olr9l570nr51iodha@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214504 |
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 19:39:42 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote: > >> That was after Nixon declared victory and pulled out. > >I thought it was Ford who did that. Nope. US forces were out of Vietnam in March, 1973. Nixon left office in April 1974.
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-09-23 10:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrmma7a.5m1.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #214500 |
On 2020-09-22, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 22 Sep 2020 12:37:49 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>> On 2020-09-21, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: >>>> On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> On 09/20/20 15:27, maus wrote: >>>>>> I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >>>>>> .9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >>>>>> depends on the individual >>>>>> >> One of my high school buddies told me about them being told to use >> essentially WW2 tactics, in a guerrilla war. That came from the >> military academy graduates, bad ideas. >> > > We started out fighting a guerilla war, with the green berets recruiting > locals to fight the Viet Cong. At some point North Vietnam realized the VC > wasn’t doing as well as it hoped, so they sent in the regular army. > > My son did a bit of local travelling in that area some years ago(15?) He said that in parts of Laos , the local buses had armed guards against local tribes that had been recruited by the CIA, and are considered since as hostiles, subject to being shot on sight. There were some former US soldiers that had got used to local heroin and remained on. With the passing years, most of them must now be dead.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-20 14:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tl8fmfd4gd32iovqbpn2fopnhnr0eu3tvj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214425 |
On 20 Sep 2020 14:27:03 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >> On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote: >>> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him >>>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail. >>>>> >>>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same. So in at least one >>>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s. >>>> >>>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging >>>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference, >>> >>> Of course. The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get >>> a slap on the wrist. >>> > >Where? Our police here , (.ie) usual ignore the smokers. but check and >and watch wholesalers. They are easily spotted, Ours seem to have a checklist in their heads: [ ] Did we notice him? [ ] Is he black? [ ] Do we have anything with us that we can plant on him? [ ] Can we take him in a fight? If the answers to all of the above are "yes" then arrest him. If he resists, kill him. The charge will really be whatever the cops want to set him up for it to be. >> The UK Army have a program for young offenders which has been very >> successful, from what i've read. Turning boys into men, through >> training in self discipline, hard work, self reliance and no excuses. >> Enuf of the bo**ocks, in fact :-). >> >> Could do with a bit more of such attitudes, or isn't that fashionable >> enough any more ?... >> >> Chris >> > >I think it is like .1, multiply by a million numbers just below 1 (say, >.9999999) and you go down, multily by above 1, (say 1.00000000001). It >depends on the individual > >It depends. One way to spot an exsoldier is look for someone who is >washed, shaved, and ready about 6.00 am. Many get lost when they retire >and have no inspections.
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2020-09-21 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5f68ffe4.6426100@news.dslextreme.com> |
| In reply to | #214425 |
On 20 Sep 2020 14:27:03 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >> On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote: >>> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him >>>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail. >>>>> >>>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same. So in at least one >>>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s. >>>> >>>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging >>>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference, >>> >>> Of course. The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get >>> a slap on the wrist. >>> > >Where? Our police here , (.ie) usual ignore the smokers. but check and >and watch wholesalers. They are easily spotted, The discussion was about the United States during the Vietnam War. In 1969, John Sinclair was infamously given a ten-year prison sentence for possessing two joints. But it hasn't stopped. Just a few years ago, New York City police made hundreds of arrests for marijuana possession during the 'stop and frisk' program. The United States has the largest prison population in the world. The biggest fraction of that is people serving sentences for nonviolent drug offenses.
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-22 09:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <q42kmf109fd0n970uc744f3nqh2pti9ldk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214467 |
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:35:22 GMT, usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote: >On 20 Sep 2020 14:27:03 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>On 2020-09-20, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 09/20/20 00:25, Questor wrote: >>>> On 17 Sep 2020 19:59:27 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>>>> On 2020-09-17, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I had a friend that got in some trouble in NYC and the judge gave him >>>>>> the choice of enlisting for Vietnam or going to jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> He should have gone to jail, he was never the same. So in at least one >>>>>> case they were still doing that kind of thing in the 60s-70s. >>>>> >>>>> depemds on tha charge. Smoking a little hash would be different from mugging >>>>> a little old lady. A Humane judge would know the difference, >>>> >>>> Of course. The hash smoker would be treated more harshly; the mugger would get >>>> a slap on the wrist. >>>> >> >>Where? Our police here , (.ie) usual ignore the smokers. but check and >>and watch wholesalers. They are easily spotted, > >The discussion was about the United States during the Vietnam War. In 1969, >John Sinclair was infamously given a ten-year prison sentence for possessing two >joints. Life in prison in Texas for the same. -- Jim
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 15:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1_q7H.212438$hQ4.67975@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #214204 |
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> schrieb: >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:20:30 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > >> cashiers had to remember a three digit code for every item or >> look it up from a table o a sheet of paper if they didn't. Type it in and >> the register would show the price but also subtract one product. Must be >> painful to learn up to 999 items with their code. > >Remembering up to 999 (or 1000?) codes is certainly something that >not everybody could do well, so I suspect a certain qualificiation >was needed. PLU codes on fruits and vegetables in the US are four digits. The clerks have most of them memorized after a fairly short period of time. Now that we have self-checkouts, I've memorized a couple: 4011 - banana, 4077 - white sweet corn, 3616 - Apple (Envy).
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 17:54 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87sgblqtwm.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #214209 |
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: > PLU codes on fruits and vegetables in the US are four digits. The > clerks have most of them memorized after a fairly short period of time. > > Now that we have self-checkouts, I've memorized a couple: 4011 - banana... One of my father's favorite riffs on someone who was numerically illiterate was an allusion to the putative number, forty-leven. So I was entertained to see 4011 appear on every banana with the introduction of PLU numbers. > ...4077 - white sweet corn, 3616 - Apple (Envy). Last time I was looking into it, there was a bit of a flap developing in the PLU domain because apple breeders were developing so many new and distinct varieties that it was threatening to exhaust the 4-digit standard. Dunno. There are 80 apple varieties in the PLU list on my HD and 79 tomato varieties. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 10:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <82gslf59kuu09sl12199tjcf8ncldgku8h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214204 |
On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:05:44 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> schrieb: >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:20:30 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >>> >>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> schrieb: >>>> I remember reports of a competition where >>>> a 10-key adding machine operator couldn't keep up with a proficient >>>> soroban operator. I suppose that's still true, if there are any >>>> proficient abacus operators left these days. >>> >>> It would be interesting to see how that would work in competition >>> with, let's say, a bar code scanner at a supermarket cash register. >>> These don't work perfectly either... >> >> Since you also appear to be from Germany, remember the 80s and early 90s >> at ALDI? > >> They were so "advanced". Before bar code was used cashiers in >> other stores read the price from the label and typed it in. No way to >> take track of how many items were still in stock. At ALDI the poor (and >> bad paid) > >From what I've read, ALDI pays more than other supermarkets >(whatever that means), but they have far fewer people who are >expected to do all jobs, so their overall labor costs are lower. Publix also pays higher. I have seen their employees shelf stocking throughout the store. Doesn't look like someone is assigned to a particular section. -- Jim
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 17:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again |
| Message-ID | <rjlm5n$c8k$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #214210 |
In article <82gslf59kuu09sl12199tjcf8ncldgku8h@4ax.com>, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: >>From what I've read, ALDI pays more than other supermarkets >>(whatever that means), but they have far fewer people who are >>expected to do all jobs, so their overall labor costs are lower. > >Publix also pays higher. I have seen their employees shelf stocking >throughout the store. Doesn't look like someone is assigned to a >particular section. Publix is owned by its employees and has been since the 1930s. It is consistently profitable, wins awards both for being a good place to work and a good place to shop, and has a strong commitment to the communites where its stores are. Just goes to show what happens if you let the workers take over. Aldi is actually two different privately owned chains, Aldi Nord with red signs and Aldi Sud with blue signs. In 1966, when the founder died, he divided the company in half and gave half to each of his two sons. The Aldi stores in North America are Aldi Sud. Trader Joe's belongs to Aldi Nord. Aldi has a repuation for paying well and making staff work hard. Here in upstate NY the largest supermarket chain is family owned Wegmans, with a reputation for pretty good pay and very good employee relations. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 19:35 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again |
| Message-ID | <hs7747Fk643U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214211 |
John Levine wrote: > Publix is owned by its employees and has been since the 1930s. It is > consistently profitable, wins awards both for being a good place to > work and a good place to shop, and has a strong commitment to the > communites where its stores are. Just goes to show what happens if you > let the workers take over. Similarly the John Lewis/Waitrose partnerships in the UK, but they're on the ropes ... low bonuses in recent years, closing some of their newest branches before covid and deciding to permanently shutter some major ones post-covid.
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