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| Started by | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2020-09-07 19:51 -0400 |
| Last post | 2020-09-08 19:59 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 171 — 28 participants |
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Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 19:51 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:03 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:16 -0700
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:50 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:12 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 23:51 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 17:40 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 18:04 -0400
Re: Keyboards again drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-08 13:19 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-08 21:26 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 17:52 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 00:51 +0100
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 17:42 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 19:50 +0100
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 19:49 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 21:18 +0100
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:44 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2020-09-08 21:59 -0400
Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 11:10 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-09 15:27 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:47 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-09-11 01:26 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-12 06:20 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-12 12:27 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-12 13:07 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:15 -0400
Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 21:57 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-03 22:11 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-03 19:26 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 09:02 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-04 12:22 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 16:42 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:39 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 22:06 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-04 08:30 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) the "Swampster" <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-06 12:13 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:30 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 10:06 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 11:17 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:30 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-04 19:13 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:07 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-05 01:23 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 09:54 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 13:47 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:22 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 11:03 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 11:10 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-10-05 18:27 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 20:03 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 18:20 -0400
Re: Barcodes Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 19:05 -0400
Re: Barcodes J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:57 -0400
Re: Barcodes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-10-06 15:30 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 16:52 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:54 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 21:53 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-06 07:33 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:21 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-04 22:38 -0500
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-04 21:19 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-10-05 03:04 -0500
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 11:01 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 12:50 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-05 10:06 -0500
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-10-06 21:16 +0000
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-07 06:38 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:36 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:00 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:28 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:06 -0400
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:33 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:24 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:02 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-13 07:05 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-13 09:24 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:38 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:20 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 23:54 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:47 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 18:35 -0400
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:44 +0000
Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 20:29 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-15 21:21 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-16 07:56 +0100
Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 10:16 +0100
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-16 09:55 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 11:25 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 18:03 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 13:57 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 19:08 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:48 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-17 06:55 +0100
Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-16 21:03 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:53 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 21:55 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 10:06 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 11:15 -0400
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 12:37 -0500
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 20:07 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 10:01 -0500
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-18 16:45 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 11:22 -0700
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 19:59 +0000
Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-19 23:25 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 12:03 +0100
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-20 14:27 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 16:08 +0100
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 10:52 -0500
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:57 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:09 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:07 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 14:32 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 13:37 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:45 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-22 12:49 +0000
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:37 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-22 13:38 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:31 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-22 15:39 -0700
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 20:55 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-22 19:39 -0700
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 00:13 -0400
Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-23 10:52 +0000
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:48 -0400
Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-21 19:35 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:22 -0500
Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-13 15:34 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-13 17:54 -0300
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 10:53 -0500
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 17:50 +0000
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-13 19:35 +0100
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 19:33 +0000
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-14 06:02 +0000
Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-14 07:46 +0100
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 15:01 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:25 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:37 +0000
Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:38 +0100
Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:36 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-10 10:39 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-09 06:02 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-09 14:14 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 10:18 -0400
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 14:49 -0500
Re: Keyboards again mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-09-09 20:36 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:51 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000
Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 14:58 -0500
Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 17:12 +0100
Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:49 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:09 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:14 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:19 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:14 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:32 -0700
Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 09:44 +0000
Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-08 10:49 +0100
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 07:17 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 08:02 -0400
Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:33 -0400
Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:59 -0400
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 19:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again |
| Message-ID | <rjls5o$11gs$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #214212 |
In article <hs7747Fk643U1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >John Levine wrote: > >> Publix is owned by its employees and has been since the 1930s. It is >> consistently profitable, wins awards both for being a good place to >> work and a good place to shop, ... >Similarly the John Lewis/Waitrose partnerships in the UK, but they're on >the ropes ... low bonuses in recent years, closing some of their newest >branches before covid and deciding to permanently shutter some major >ones post-covid. John Lewis' problem is the same problem that all department stores have. People just don't shop at them like they used to, with COVID being the last straw. I gather that Waitrose (their supermarket chain) is doing fine. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-14 06:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again |
| Message-ID | <hs8fb1FrvegU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214213 |
On 13 Sep 2020 at 19:33:12, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > In article <hs7747Fk643U1@mid.individual.net>, > Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >>John Levine wrote: >> >>> Publix is owned by its employees and has been since the 1930s. It is >>> consistently profitable, wins awards both for being a good place to >>> work and a good place to shop, ... > >>Similarly the John Lewis/Waitrose partnerships in the UK, but they're on >>the ropes ... low bonuses in recent years, closing some of their newest >>branches before covid and deciding to permanently shutter some major >>ones post-covid. > > John Lewis' problem is the same problem that all department stores > have. People just don't shop at them like they used to, with COVID > being the last straw. > > I gather that Waitrose (their supermarket chain) is doing fine. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-20/waitrose-to-close-seven-stores-with-almost-700-jobs-at-risk
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-14 07:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again |
| Message-ID | <hs8htbFsg06U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214213 |
John Levine wrote: > I gather that Waitrose (their supermarket chain) is doing fine. They closed 18 stores in 2018-19, including some they'd purpose-built only recently, and which as far as I could see had decent customer numbers. To add insult to injury, several of them have re-opened as Lidl stores.
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 15:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8iuslfhp6mf24f03kbp8jt96l7apt9ot1f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214210 |
On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:53:35 -0500, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:05:44 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig ><tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >>Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> schrieb: >>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:20:30 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >>>> >>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> schrieb: >>>>> I remember reports of a competition where >>>>> a 10-key adding machine operator couldn't keep up with a proficient >>>>> soroban operator. I suppose that's still true, if there are any >>>>> proficient abacus operators left these days. >>>> >>>> It would be interesting to see how that would work in competition >>>> with, let's say, a bar code scanner at a supermarket cash register. >>>> These don't work perfectly either... >>> >>> Since you also appear to be from Germany, remember the 80s and early 90s >>> at ALDI? >> >>> They were so "advanced". Before bar code was used cashiers in >>> other stores read the price from the label and typed it in. No way to >>> take track of how many items were still in stock. At ALDI the poor (and >>> bad paid) >> >>From what I've read, ALDI pays more than other supermarkets >>(whatever that means), but they have far fewer people who are >>expected to do all jobs, so their overall labor costs are lower. > >Publix also pays higher. I have seen their employees shelf stocking >throughout the store. Doesn't look like someone is assigned to a >particular section. The people who work in the deli, or produce, or meat, don't work in other areas that I have seen. -- Jim
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 19:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87wo0x8djg.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #214204 |
On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:05:44 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: > > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> schrieb: > >> cashiers had to remember a three digit code for every item or >> look it up from a table o a sheet of paper if they didn't. Type it in and >> the register would show the price but also subtract one product. Must be >> painful to learn up to 999 items with their code. > > Remembering up to 999 (or 1000?) codes is certainly something that > not everybody could do well, so I suspect a certain qualificiation > was needed. 1000 is just the highest number of possible items fitting into a three-digit-code. Suppose they only have some 200-300 articles in stock. Still a lot to memorize. -- Andreas
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-09-13 09:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hs67ioFrpevU19@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214200 |
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:02:34 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:20:30 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote: >> >> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> schrieb: >>> I remember reports of a competition where a 10-key adding machine >>> operator couldn't keep up with a proficient soroban operator. I >>> suppose that's still true, if there are any proficient abacus >>> operators left these days. >> >> It would be interesting to see how that would work in competition with, >> let's say, a bar code scanner at a supermarket cash register. >> These don't work perfectly either... > > Since you also appear to be from Germany, remember the 80s and early 90s > at ALDI? They were so "advanced". Before bar code was used cashiers in > other stores read the price from the label and typed it in. No way to > take track of how many items were still in stock. At ALDI the poor (and > bad paid) cashiers had to remember a three digit code for every item or > look it up from a table o a sheet of paper if they didn't. Type it in > and the register would show the price but also subtract one product. > Must be painful to learn up to 999 items with their code. And you could > still make a mistake and sell a bottle of pricey sparkling wine for 99 > Pfennige (a Pfennig was 1/100 of a Deutschmark). > > As everybody else they changed to bar code scanners in the mid 90s. They still have to use codes sometimes, when bar codes are wrong or missing. They seem to hold the 'current' ones in theor heads, and have sheets of paper too. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> |
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| Date | 2020-10-03 22:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) |
| Message-ID | <jfi.5F78E658.42.fortytwo@xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #214200 |
Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:02:34 -0400
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> schrieb:
[Schnipp]
>Since you also appear to be from Germany, remember the 80s and early 90s
>at ALDI? They were so "advanced". Before bar code was used cashiers in
>other stores read the price from the label and typed it in. No way to
>take track of how many items were still in stock. At ALDI the poor (and
>bad paid) cashiers had to remember a three digit code for every item or
>look it up from a table o a sheet of paper if they didn't. Type it in and
>the register would show the price but also subtract one product. Must be
>painful to learn up to 999 items with their code. And you could still
>make a mistake and sell a bottle of pricey sparkling wine for 99 Pfennige
>(a Pfennig was 1/100 of a Deutschmark).
>
>As everybody else they changed to bar code scanners in the mid 90s.
In order to cut costs they used their own codes, not EAN13.
--
| Hy doet het niet, die deur.
Jan v/d Broek | Wat een akelige deur.
balglaas@xs4all.nl | De deur die stuk was.
| Jan jr. 28-III-'04
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| From | mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) |
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| Date | 2020-10-04 14:38 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) |
| Message-ID | <rlcj9g$573$1@posie.signal11.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #214641 |
In article <jfi.5F78E658.42.fortytwo@xs4all.nl>, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>As everybody else they changed to bar code scanners in the mid 90s. > >In order to cut costs they used their own codes, not EAN13. Not sure if that's (still) true: Although the format looks different because the barcodes are realllllly long and wrapped round the product (bigger target), and because they don't group the 5||012345||678012|| characters underneath in the classic layout, the numeric codes are printed in small print near the barcode. The numbers have 13 digits, starting "40" (which is Germany) or 8 digits (no country code, no check digit) for the shorter EAN-9 ones. So it could be they are using numbers within the German number space that aren't officially allocated, but the coding does look like an EAN9/13 compliant barcode. -- --------------------------------------+------------------------------------ Mike Brown: mjb[-at-]signal11.org.uk | http://www.signal11.org.uk
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| From | mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) |
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| Date | 2020-10-04 22:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) |
| Message-ID | <rldf80$4bv$1@posie.signal11.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #214650 |
In article <rlcj9g$573$1@posie.signal11.org.uk>, Mike <mjb@signal11.org.uk> wrote: >>In order to cut costs they used their own codes, not EAN13. > >Not sure if that's (still) true: ... whoops, EAN-9 -> EAN-8. Duh. I just checked one -- Linux prog "zbarimg" vs a photograph of the back of an ALDI bottle of ketchup. >zbarimg ~/ALDIcode.jpg EAN-13:4088600080659 scanned 1 barcode symbols from 1 images in 0.14 seconds ... which is the small number printed near the barcode. So they do use EAN-13 formatted barcodes! Whether they are paying the necessary to properly allocate them is another matter, they may be just using some unused corner of the German numbering system for their own internal purposes :) -- --------------------------------------+------------------------------------ Mike Brown: mjb[-at-]signal11.org.uk | http://www.signal11.org.uk
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 10:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <hruajdFo8ocU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #213994 |
Freddy1X wrote: > Blue LEDs? I can remember when red LEDs was a new and upcoming thing. > Kids! Harumph! Given the difficulty in progressing from red to green, to blue to UV, didn't infra-red LEDs come before red?
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| From | Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 06:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrlgs08.8c1.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> |
| In reply to | #213977 |
On Tue, 2020-09-08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2020-09-08, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: ... >> I thought the brightness and color would be issues >> but they are that common LED blue. > > Does anyone remember when there was no such thing as LED blue, > because nobody had figured out how to make them? Then they > were available, but horribly expensive - your typical 25-cent > red or green LED cost $6 in blue. I remember the "horribly expensive" phase. It included the early 1990s. I had a friend (also the one who convinced me to buy a Commodore-Amiga) who was into electronics, and he showed me a price listing: red, green and (gasp!) blue. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 14:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hrs6aiF9t9iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #213977 |
On 2020-09-08, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
[blue LEDs]
> And they're now a horrible mandatory fad. Maybe it's just me -
> my eyes never could focus on intense blue light - but I hate
> the way they're now used everywhere an indicator is needed,
> and in even more places where they're not. I once ran a
> sound board in a darkened theatre, and I had to put three
> layers of masking tape over the board's bright blue pilot
> light so I could see anything else at all. Grrr...
Maybe I'm lucky. Okay, my wireless access point does have an activity
indicator in blue, but otherwise it's all red and green here.
That blue light does do weird things to your eyes, definitely. I'm not
sure if there's any research on that subject.
Niklas
--
You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat
you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here!
-- Jayne Cobb, _Firefly_
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 10:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rjao7l$ste$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #214010 |
Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: > On 2020-09-08, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > [blue LEDs] >> And they're now a horrible mandatory fad. Maybe it's just me - >> my eyes never could focus on intense blue light - but I hate >> the way they're now used everywhere an indicator is needed, >> and in even more places where they're not. I once ran a >> sound board in a darkened theatre, and I had to put three >> layers of masking tape over the board's bright blue pilot >> light so I could see anything else at all. Grrr... > > Maybe I'm lucky. Okay, my wireless access point does have an activity > indicator in blue, but otherwise it's all red and green here. > > That blue light does do weird things to your eyes, definitely. I'm not > sure if there's any research on that subject. Sure there is. It was prominently in the news about a year ago. Too lazy to do any searches right now I think I'm headed outdoors for some yard work, but search, I'm sure you'll find stuff. -- Dan Espen
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 14:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <69cilfhh998r3tk7d4d7e6q2vke4p58coi@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213977 |
On 8 Sep 2020 21:26:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >On 2020-09-08, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) writes: >> >>> The actually hard part is brightness. They're cheap; maybe order a few >>> each of various brightnesses, test by touching the wires to the pads, >>> solder in the one you like and save the rest of that type for future >>> repairs, then give the rest to someone's hippie girlfriend for >>> jewelry-making. >> >> Hippie girlfriend. I love it. > >:-) > >> Actually that describes my deceased wife pretty well. >> >> I thought the brightness and color would be issues >> but they are that common LED blue. > >Does anyone remember when there was no such thing as LED blue, >because nobody had figured out how to make them? Then they >were available, but horribly expensive - your typical 25-cent >red or green LED cost $6 in blue. > >And they're now a horrible mandatory fad. Maybe it's just me - >my eyes never could focus on intense blue light - but I hate >the way they're now used everywhere an indicator is needed, >and in even more places where they're not. I once ran a >sound board in a darkened theatre, and I had to put three >layers of masking tape over the board's bright blue pilot >light so I could see anything else at all. Grrr... I remember that only red LEDs were around when I first saw LEDs. When I was a kid, the next town over had an almost movie palace. The sides, in the seating, had mostly murals instead of lots of statues. With a few statues. Fountain and more statues out in the lobby. So every patron could see the time, there was a bright blue lit neon clock less than a foot from the movie screen. Nice when watching the 1950s monsters from outer space movies, but not so much for the rest. -- Jim
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| From | mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 20:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rjbas2$bvm$1@posie.signal11.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #213977 |
In article <rj8sul02f09@news1.newsguy.com>, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >Maybe it's just me - >my eyes never could focus on intense blue light It's not just you. Even trying to get the optician to compensate by tweaking things, red LEDs are crisp. Green ones are slightly soft. Blue and "violet" point sources of light are blurry mess. -- --------------------------------------+------------------------------------ Mike Brown: mjb[-at-]signal11.org.uk | http://www.signal11.org.uk
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 18:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <875z8mtvh0.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #213977 |
On 8 Sep 2020 21:26:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > Does anyone remember when there was no such thing as LED blue, > because nobody had figured out how to make them? Then they > were available, but horribly expensive - your typical 25-cent > red or green LED cost $6 in blue. Wasn't that just "recently", like early 2XXX? I seem to recall the same is the case for white LEDs. Today almost every new car has them as front light. -- Andreas
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rjdk0r145q@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #214062 |
On 2020-09-09, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On 8 Sep 2020 21:26:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Does anyone remember when there was no such thing as LED blue, >> because nobody had figured out how to make them? Then they >> were available, but horribly expensive - your typical 25-cent >> red or green LED cost $6 in blue. > > Wasn't that just "recently", like early 2XXX? That sounds about right. I don't remember the exact date. > I seem to recall the same is the case for white LEDs. > Today almost every new car has them as front light. They're also taking over as street lighting in many places. We replaced the failing 70-watt high-pressure sodium wall packs in our hangar complex with 25-watt LED units. Although the unit price is over twice as much, I calculate they will pay for themselves in 10 years in electricity savings alone (and aside from the infant mortality issues, they'll hopefully still be going strong after those 10 years). Figuring out how to make high-powered LEDs was a game-changer. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 14:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <q71llfh2e7l6j05fromn7au2t3ab3dedgm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214079 |
On 10 Sep 2020 16:24:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >On 2020-09-09, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> On 8 Sep 2020 21:26:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Does anyone remember when there was no such thing as LED blue, >>> because nobody had figured out how to make them? Then they >>> were available, but horribly expensive - your typical 25-cent >>> red or green LED cost $6 in blue. >> >> Wasn't that just "recently", like early 2XXX? > >That sounds about right. I don't remember the exact date. > >> I seem to recall the same is the case for white LEDs. >> Today almost every new car has them as front light. > >They're also taking over as street lighting in many places. >We replaced the failing 70-watt high-pressure sodium wall packs >in our hangar complex with 25-watt LED units. Although the >unit price is over twice as much, I calculate they will pay >for themselves in 10 years in electricity savings alone (and >aside from the infant mortality issues, they'll hopefully still >be going strong after those 10 years). > >Figuring out how to make high-powered LEDs was a game-changer. Not quite in the same ballpark of power, but I bought a nice 5 watt white LED flashlight a few months ago, and it is rechargable. On sale for about $20. -- Jim
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 17:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20200910171252.d34e51bae3c79af5d7db9745@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #214062 |
On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:51:23 -0400 Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On 8 Sep 2020 21:26:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember when there was no such thing as LED blue, > > because nobody had figured out how to make them? Then they > > were available, but horribly expensive - your typical 25-cent > > red or green LED cost $6 in blue. > > Wasn't that just "recently", like early 2XXX? I seem to recall the same > is the case for white LEDs. Today almost every new car has them as front > light. White LEDs are blue LEDs shining through a phosphor that re-emits in the red and yellow so they're coming from the same breakthrough. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 17:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87een9b8vg.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #214080 |
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:12:52 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:51:23 -0400 > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> On 8 Sep 2020 21:26:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> > >> > Does anyone remember when there was no such thing as LED blue, >> > because nobody had figured out how to make them? Then they >> > were available, but horribly expensive - your typical 25-cent >> > red or green LED cost $6 in blue. >> >> Wasn't that just "recently", like early 2XXX? I seem to recall the same >> is the case for white LEDs. Today almost every new car has them as front >> light. > > White LEDs are blue LEDs shining through a phosphor that re-emits > in the red and yellow so they're coming from the same breakthrough. Ah thanks. -- Andreas
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