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| Started by | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2020-09-08 12:08 +0100 |
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SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 12:08 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 11:13 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 07:57 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 13:27 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 06:40 -0700
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-08 16:21 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 09:27 -0700
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 14:31 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 14:34 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 16:14 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-09-10 11:20 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 11:57 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 08:23 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 17:37 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:37 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 08:19 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-10 14:32 +0200
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 09:15 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 13:30 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 09:34 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 13:35 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 10:00 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 07:15 -0700
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 14:22 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 16:01 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 17:18 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-09-10 11:59 -0500
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 18:20 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 23:12 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-11 06:35 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 23:23 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-11 01:11 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-11 09:11 -0500
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 17:03 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:55 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-11 02:12 -0300
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-11 20:41 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-11 21:11 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-12 15:06 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-12 16:03 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-26 16:05 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-25 23:15 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-09-10 23:55 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-11 08:09 +0200
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-09-10 23:54 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-10 15:54 +0200
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 10:14 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-09-10 23:57 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:56 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 09:53 -0700
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-25 23:03 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-26 08:35 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-26 18:37 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-26 17:41 +0200
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-09-10 16:09 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 12:17 -0400
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 09:53 -0700
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-11 13:22 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-11 13:39 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-11 14:11 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-11 20:24 -0300
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 17:21 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:36 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:34 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 17:14 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 09:53 -0700
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 17:05 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-10 19:13 +0200
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-10 19:19 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:39 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 20:25 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 20:23 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 05:48 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-26 11:24 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 16:14 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-26 20:53 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-26 12:44 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-26 13:03 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 06:04 -0700
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 16:16 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 16:22 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 15:40 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 19:42 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 19:52 +0100
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 19:38 +0000
Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 21:02 +0100
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 13:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hruodbFq50vU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214059 |
On 2020-09-10, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you sure there isn't some GUI to go into and just click on static
> IP? That would seem rather elementary for any distro.
No doubt there is, but most servers don't have X.
Niklas
--
TV cookery-shows are about as valid a concept as dancing about plate-
tectonics.
-- Tanuki in asr
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 10:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rjdbht$bls$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #214060 |
Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: > On 2020-09-10, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Are you sure there isn't some GUI to go into and just click on static >> IP? That would seem rather elementary for any distro. > > No doubt there is, but most servers don't have X. And they don't need it on the server. Years ago when we installed an early RH server release we did put it on a PC with a terminal attached but we ended up moving that terminal somewhere else. We still used it's GUI to do admin. Come to think of it, I wonder what the Wayland people are planning for server support? Back in the day, I remember a few of the configuration tools falling back to text mode when they had to. I don't think they do that much anymore. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 07:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fd8137a1-8d64-4735-858f-a65c5d6da790n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #214064 |
RHEL installation on servers with static IP addresses just works for me. I do network installs, so the network must be configured before booting the installer, but I'm pretty sure if you configure the network in the installer VNC you'll get the same result: it just works.
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 14:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hrur48Fq50vU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214066 |
On 2020-09-10, Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> wrote:
> RHEL installation on servers with static IP addresses just works for me. I do network installs, so the network must be configured before booting the installer, but I'm pretty sure if you configure the network in the installer VNC you'll get the same result: it just works.
Sure, speccing it in the installer works fine (and I'm pretty sure you
can also do it in a Kickstart file), but sometimes you need to change
things around later.
Niklas
--
I defy anyone to find a mountain whereupon the dew is this particular
colour, and then return to tell me about it. And no fair wearing
rad-suits for the journey.
-- Carl Jacobs
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 16:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <s5s6H.457672$eN2.283222@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #214066 |
Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> writes: >RHEL installation on servers with static IP addresses just works for me. I = >do network installs, so the network must be configured before booting the i= >nstaller, but I'm pretty sure if you configure the network in the installer= > VNC you'll get the same result: it just works. Kickstart using PXE. You never need to even touch the server being installed. DHCP supplies the IP address and the name of the boot server automatically, and kickstart will configure the network interfaces during the install as approporiate for the network they're being installed on. That's how all of our hundreds of linux servers are provisioned. There are a dozen or so open-source provisioning software packages that do this for you if you want. Some one racks up a new machine in a remote datacenter, and the IT guys push a virtual button to provision it from half a continent away.
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| From | Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 17:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rjdjkk$1rrt$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #214064 |
On 09/10/20 15:00, Dan Espen wrote: > Niklas Karlsson<anksil@yahoo.se> writes: > >> On 2020-09-10, Dan Espen<dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Are you sure there isn't some GUI to go into and just click on static >>> IP? That would seem rather elementary for any distro. >> >> No doubt there is, but most servers don't have X. > > And they don't need it on the server. > > Years ago when we installed an early RH server release we did > put it on a PC with a terminal attached but we ended up moving that > terminal somewhere else. We still used it's GUI to do admin. > > Come to think of it, I wonder what the Wayland people are planning for > server support? > > Back in the day, I remember a few of the configuration tools falling > back to text mode when they had to. I don't think they do that much > anymore. > Don't know about Linux, but both FreeBSD and Solaris support text only or gui installs. Use both here, but in this lab, never use dhcp, always fixed ip, as it makes it easier to locate any given machine by hostname alone. Do have dhcp server capability on a couple of machines, but its only enabled for setup of devices that only support dhcp for initial config. After that, fixed ip only. Most modern servers have a built in graphics adapters that can be used for initial install and ongoing use, but also support command line install as well... Chris
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| From | Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 11:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrlkmr0.r1g.andyl@azaal.plus.com> |
| In reply to | #214077 |
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:18:29 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: > Don't know about Linux, but both FreeBSD and Solaris support text only > or gui installs. Use both here, but in this lab, never use dhcp, always > fixed ip, as it makes it easier to locate any given machine by > hostname alone. Yep my home server is running without any gui interface and with a fixed IP. All handled from a standard Linux install. Same as the web servers I manage. -- Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" - Douglas Adams
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| From | Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 18:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rjdn8a$1etv$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #214089 |
On 09/10/20 17:59, Andy Leighton wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:18:29 +0100, Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >> Don't know about Linux, but both FreeBSD and Solaris support text only >> or gui installs. Use both here, but in this lab, never use dhcp, always >> fixed ip, as it makes it easier to locate any given machine by >> hostname alone. > > Yep my home server is running without any gui interface and with a fixed > IP. All handled from a standard Linux install. Same as the web servers I > manage. > Other point is that for a large site, if the dhcp server goes down, nothing runs. Fixed ip makes each machine self contained in that respect... Chris
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 23:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Vpy6H.248750$Av7.59427@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #214094 |
Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes: >On 09/10/20 17:59, Andy Leighton wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:18:29 +0100, Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> wrote: >>> Don't know about Linux, but both FreeBSD and Solaris support text only >>> or gui installs. Use both here, but in this lab, never use dhcp, always >>> fixed ip, as it makes it easier to locate any given machine by >>> hostname alone. >> >> Yep my home server is running without any gui interface and with a fixed >> IP. All handled from a standard Linux install. Same as the web servers I >> manage. >> > >Other point is that for a large site, if the dhcp server goes down, >nothing runs. Fixed ip makes each machine self contained in that >respect... Large sites will have redundant DHCP servers, generally, and generous TTL on the leases.
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-11 06:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hs0k52F8auhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214122 |
On 2020-09-10, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes: >> >>Other point is that for a large site, if the dhcp server goes down, >>nothing runs. Fixed ip makes each machine self contained in that >>respect... > > Large sites will have redundant DHCP servers, generally, and generous > TTL on the leases. Lease length is always a balancing act. Too short, and yes, you're vulnerable if anything happens to the DHCP infrastructure; too long, and you're in for a lot of pain when you need to rejigger the network. I saw one shop that had infinite leases. THAT made for fun times when things changed in the network! Niklas -- "... I've seen Sun monitors on fire off the side of the multimedia lab. I've seen NTU lights glitter in the dark near the Mail Gate. All these things will be lost in time, like the root partition last week. Time to die...". - Peter Gutmann in alt.sysadmin.recovery
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 23:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hrvqr4FrpevU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214094 |
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:20:11 +0100, Chris wrote: > Other point is that for a large site, if the dhcp server goes down, > nothing runs. Fixed ip makes each machine self contained in that > respect... DHCP failover has been a thing for years. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-11 01:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rjefbi$15gv$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #214123 |
On 09/11/20 00:23, Bob Eager wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:20:11 +0100, Chris wrote: > >> Other point is that for a large site, if the dhcp server goes down, >> nothing runs. Fixed ip makes each machine self contained in that >> respect... > > DHCP failover has been a thing for years. > I'm sure that's right, but reliable systems design tries to minimise single points of failure and interdependencies between the various subsystems. Dhcp is overkill for small networks, imho, lazy man's host id control. Dinosaurs just use host files, of course :-). Yet another reason to instinctively dislike systemd, interdepedencie... Chris
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-11 09:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ib1nlfhqpg2oga2d1llnmugba5fhdtiiu1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #214123 |
On 10 Sep 2020 23:23:16 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote: >On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:20:11 +0100, Chris wrote: > >> Other point is that for a large site, if the dhcp server goes down, >> nothing runs. Fixed ip makes each machine self contained in that >> respect... > >DHCP failover has been a thing for years. Cableone didn't have that tech know how for years. -- Jim
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rjdk0r045q@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #214060 |
On 2020-09-10, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: > On 2020-09-10, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Are you sure there isn't some GUI to go into and just click on static >> IP? That would seem rather elementary for any distro. > > No doubt there is, but most servers don't have X. Who needs X? For me, the one must-have when setting up a new system is a second computer with a working network interface and web browser. Then I can look up the instructions for setting up /etc/network/interfaces. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 17:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hrv4idFten6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214078 |
On 2020-09-10, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > > Who needs X? For me, the one must-have when setting up a new system > is a second computer with a working network interface and web browser. > Then I can look up the instructions for setting up /etc/network/interfaces. I recently built a new shell server based on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, after for the longest time using a Debian machine that belonged in a museum. I've not really had a lot of Ubuntu exposure; for work I've mostly dealt with the Red Hat family. I was surprised to find an /etc/network/interfaces file of 0 bytes. Googling revealed that it was using netplan, so the network configuration is in a YAML file under /etc/netplan. Not bad, mind you. Reasonably pleasant file format to deal with. Niklas -- When being picked up against their will by larger creatures, cats and human children share not only the ability to temporarily sprout extra limbs and perform incredible acts of contortionism, but also to temporarily increase their weight.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2020-09-10 17:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87blidb8lk.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #214078 |
On 10 Sep 2020 16:24:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > Who needs X? For me, the one must-have when setting up a new system > is a second computer with a working network interface and web browser. > Then I can look up the instructions for setting up /etc/network/interfaces. I use(d) text browsers without GUI, like lynx. But today many pages are "protected" by Cloudflare and such which needs some scripts running. lynx getting a "not permitted" or some similar errors. Today you need a GUI. :-( -- Andreas
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2020-09-11 02:12 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87r1r8sxq3.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #214078 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > Who needs X? For me, the one must-have when setting up a new system > is a second computer with a working network interface and web browser. Second that. > Then I can look up the instructions for setting up > /etc/network/interfaces. And everything else. Who can remember all the details for something complex that you do once every few years? Who can even remember to put all the hacks, tweaks and config details accumulated over years in a helper TO-DO file? -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-09-11 20:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rjgne712lbs@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #214137 |
On 2020-09-11, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > >> Who needs X? For me, the one must-have when setting up a new system >> is a second computer with a working network interface and web browser. > > Second that. > >> Then I can look up the instructions for setting up >> /etc/network/interfaces. > > And everything else. Who can remember all the details for something > complex that you do once every few years? Who can even remember to put > all the hacks, tweaks and config details accumulated over years in a > helper TO-DO file? I came across a file listing all the essential steps and gotchas that I wrote the last time I set up a system. Too bad I had forgotten about it and only came across it when I was nearly finished figuring it out all over again... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-09-11 21:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hs27fsFrpevU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #214166 |
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:41:43 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2020-09-11, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > >> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >> >>> Who needs X? For me, the one must-have when setting up a new system >>> is a second computer with a working network interface and web browser. >> >> Second that. >> >>> Then I can look up the instructions for setting up >>> /etc/network/interfaces. >> >> And everything else. Who can remember all the details for something >> complex that you do once every few years? Who can even remember to put >> all the hacks, tweaks and config details accumulated over years in a >> helper TO-DO file? > > I came across a file listing all the essential steps and gotchas that I > wrote the last time I set up a system. Too bad I had forgotten about it > and only came across it when I was nearly finished figuring it out all > over again... I have a hardback A4 log book for each computer. And I keep the old ones. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-09-12 15:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rjikkh$gl5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #214168 |
On 09/11/20 22:11, Bob Eager wrote: > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:41:43 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2020-09-11, Mike Spencer<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: >> >>> Charlie Gibbs<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>> >>>> Who needs X? For me, the one must-have when setting up a new system >>>> is a second computer with a working network interface and web browser. >>> >>> Second that. >>> >>>> Then I can look up the instructions for setting up >>>> /etc/network/interfaces. >>> >>> And everything else. Who can remember all the details for something >>> complex that you do once every few years? Who can even remember to put >>> all the hacks, tweaks and config details accumulated over years in a >>> helper TO-DO file? >> >> I came across a file listing all the essential steps and gotchas that I >> wrote the last time I set up a system. Too bad I had forgotten about it >> and only came across it when I was nearly finished figuring it out all >> over again... > > I have a hardback A4 log book for each computer. And I keep the old ones. > > > Similar thing here, 4 ring binders, indexed, tab for each system. Different ring binder for each class of system worked with. Some hand scribbled and some properly typed records of systems and configurations, experiments etc, but have been caught out by being a little too terse at times... Chris
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