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| Started by | Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> |
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| First post | 2020-08-08 13:34 +0000 |
| Last post | 2020-08-11 23:20 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 210 — 39 participants |
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Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 12:16 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 16:23 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:41 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 16:21 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:38 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-17 12:47 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-08-08 16:14 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:06 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:46 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> - 2020-08-08 18:53 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 20:43 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 08:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 08:25 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 14:32 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:15 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 10:40 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-09 14:57 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:48 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 11:09 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 15:15 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-09 16:32 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 17:46 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:54 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 19:58 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 13:18 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:09 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:34 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-10 16:01 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 15:00 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:25 +0100
Re: EU, was Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 12:33 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-09 17:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:50 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 19:52 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 17:06 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 21:56 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> - 2020-08-10 14:48 -0500
Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 13:05 -0700
Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 18:19 -0400
Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:38 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:16 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-13 09:57 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 08:01 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 14:33 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 10:46 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 10:40 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 11:49 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:24 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:05 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:04 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-13 22:57 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-14 02:48 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-16 11:45 +0200
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 07:37 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-16 16:00 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-23 12:25 +0200
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:16 +0100
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 21:11 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-14 17:06 -0500
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 22:45 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:29 -0300
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-15 17:44 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2020-08-15 22:52 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-16 03:40 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 23:51 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over greymaus@smaus.org - 2020-08-15 07:44 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:04 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:18 -0300
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 21:15 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 17:08 -0300
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-15 07:56 +0100
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-15 10:25 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 18:50 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-13 14:59 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:01 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:55 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:46 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-16 19:22 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 13:27 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 17:58 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:06 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 22:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-13 21:45 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:37 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2020-08-13 20:54 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 04:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:14 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 11:57 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:19 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 16:12 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 11:46 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:07 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 11:22 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 18:45 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:42 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 13:42 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:10 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:21 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 09:46 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 11:14 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 11:33 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:37 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:36 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:34 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:42 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:17 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-08-18 19:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 04:19 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:31 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:45 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:43 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:49 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:50 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:31 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2020-08-14 01:40 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-09-08 16:37 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 14:42 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:42 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 11:56 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 19:23 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:47 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-10-04 21:38 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:28 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:33 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 17:16 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:40 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:22 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-08-31 23:17 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 01:19 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 04:40 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 20:21 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-01 01:55 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-09-01 09:36 +0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:30 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 17:47 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 11:26 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 18:37 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:46 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-11 19:58 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 18:44 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 16:20 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-12 19:23 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 17:37 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 18:12 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 19:08 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:15 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:44 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:08 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:42 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:25 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:57 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 21:01 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 16:54 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 21:34 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 19:56 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 19:13 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 19:17 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:01 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-11 18:39 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 20:28 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:12 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:06 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:35 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 17:29 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 20:30 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:50 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 06:50 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-12 18:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:50 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 15:56 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-12 15:26 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-12 15:41 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 17:47 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 09:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 02:29 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over lawrence <lawrenabe@abaluon.com> - 2020-08-12 14:59 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:20 +0000
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rh6khe125i9@news1.newsguy.com> |
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On 2020-08-14, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > >> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training things. The >>> speaker went on at length about the beauty of jive talk. Showing how 3 >>> words could express a multitude of ideas depending on the inflection. I >>> think it was "she be gone". Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. > >> I think I heard something a while back about people trying to get "Ebonics" >> established as a valid dialect. Feh. > > Your political leanings are showing. Whatever they are - I'm not sure myself. I think of myself as a radical moderate. > "Ebonics" is a name given more than a century ago to what is now commonly > known in linguistics as African-American Vernacular English, or AAVE. > Just because it was treated as a joke by nighttime comedians when an effort > was made to accommodate children whose native language was not American > General Standard does not make it a nonlanguage, or invalid, or whatever > you care to deem it in your perfection of mind. > > The syntax, morphology, and phonology of AAVE differ markedly from AGS, > in ways which are easily described in the technical linguistic literature. > Why don't you actually research the question, instead of dismissing it > from your privileged position? I plead guilty to being ignorant of the history of the term, or that it even had a history. Thanks for the update. At the time I first heard of it, my bullshit detectors were going off; the term was being used in a way that made it sound like a creation of semi-literate charlatans who were trying to justify their refusal to learn to speak clearly. > Oh, right. This is one of those newsgroups. Yup. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 03:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5f360682.10942334@news.dslextreme.com> |
| In reply to | #212726 |
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:46:54 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: >> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a >>> blessing is that you like different languages? I'm curious, why >>> do you like not being able to communicate with others? Or do you just >>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages >>> that you know? >> >> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world >> today? Certainly. >> >> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that >> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural >> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be >> unfortunate. >> >> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing, >> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger >> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different >> places. > >Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >and counter productive. > >Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. >Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. > >If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, >incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). >There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. I'm guessing you are not a big fan of poetry. As far as tone (inflection), there are many tonal languages, particularly in Asia. But the same phenomena exists in English. Consider the following dialog: A: "I think we should check the foobar valve on the gizmo." B: "Right." Depending on their tone, B's response might mean ready assent, questioning hesitation, or even a sarcastic denial. And either you haven't heard of, or don't believe in the Whorfian Hypothesis: put simply, the idea that language shapes thought. We see some evidence of that in the many terms that English borrows for different concepts. A couple of examples: schadenfreude, zeitgeist. Yes, they can be explained in a few words, but its not same has having the concept encapsulated in a single word. And how many times has it been said of a foreign word or phrase, "there's not an exact translation." Puns, double entendres, and other word play are usually specific to a language and don't survive when expressed in another. So yes, those associations and humor would be lost, as well as a potentially different weltanshauung and way of thinking. And what language should be the one language? Mandarin has by far the most native speakers. Spanish is second, and is more widespread. English is third, but Hindi has almost as many. Even outside of the French colonies, the French language was long considered the language of diplomacy, and being fluent in it was the mark of education and culture. Or perhaps you want to go in another direction and pick a language spoken by only a small number of people. That way, just about everybody is on equal footing in having to learn a new and unfamilar language. And then there are the ad hoc "universal" languages. Esperanto, anyone? English would be a poor choice. It's weakly inflected, and has many spelling irregularities. It is known to be a difficult language for non-native speakers to master. And without language mastery, one can't express unique and complex ideas.
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| From | jtmpreno <none@znet.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 20:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rh51ub$9af$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #212767 |
On 8/13/2020 8:37 PM, Questor wrote: > On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:46:54 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: >>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a >>>> blessing is that you like different languages? I'm curious, why >>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others? Or do you just >>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages >>>> that you know? >>> >>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world >>> today? Certainly. >>> >>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that >>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural >>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be >>> unfortunate. >>> >>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing, >>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger >>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different >>> places. >> >> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >> and counter productive. >> >> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >> things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >> jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >> ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. >> Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. >> >> If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, >> incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). >> There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. > > > I'm guessing you are not a big fan of poetry. > > > As far as tone (inflection), there are many tonal languages, particularly in > Asia. But the same phenomena exists in English. Consider the following dialog: > > A: "I think we should check the foobar valve on the gizmo." > B: "Right." > > Depending on their tone, B's response might mean ready assent, questioning > hesitation, or even a sarcastic denial. > > > And either you haven't heard of, or don't believe in the Whorfian Hypothesis: > put simply, the idea that language shapes thought. We see some evidence of that > in the many terms that English borrows for different concepts. A couple of > examples: schadenfreude, zeitgeist. Yes, they can be explained in a few words, > but its not same has having the concept encapsulated in a single word. And how > many times has it been said of a foreign word or phrase, "there's not an exact > translation." Puns, double entendres, and other word play are usually specific > to a language and don't survive when expressed in another. So yes, those > associations and humor would be lost, as well as a potentially different > weltanshauung and way of thinking. > > > And what language should be the one language? Mandarin has by far the most > native speakers. Spanish is second, and is more widespread. English is third, > but Hindi has almost as many. Even outside of the French colonies, the French > language was long considered the language of diplomacy, and being fluent in it > was the mark of education and culture. Or perhaps you want to go in another > direction and pick a language spoken by only a small number of people. That > way, just about everybody is on equal footing in having to learn a new and > unfamilar language. And then there are the ad hoc "universal" languages. > Esperanto, anyone? > > English would be a poor choice. It's weakly inflected, and has many spelling > irregularities. It is known to be a difficult language for non-native speakers > to master. And without language mastery, one can't express unique and complex > ideas. > Well into the modern era Latin was the language of scholars. And yes, Esperato was an attempt to construct a universal secondary language. And then there is Klingon, a constructed language that has all of the properties of a real language.
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 04:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hpmgo1Fmk1mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #212770 |
On 2020-08-14, jtmpreno <none@znet.com> wrote: > > And yes, Esperato was an attempt to construct a universal secondary > language. Unfortunately flawed in that it was severely biased in favour of European languages. Of course, Lojban/Loglan doesn't have this flaw. Niklas -- "But if you could have removed them at any time..." "It made everybody feel safer. Besides, I think I kind of liked it after a while." -- G'Kar and Lyta (B5) after she breaks her handcuffs upon being released
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 06:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rh5o5t$kmc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212767 |
usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes: > On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:46:54 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: >>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a >>>> blessing is that you like different languages? I'm curious, why >>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others? Or do you just >>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages >>>> that you know? >>> >>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world >>> today? Certainly. >>> >>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that >>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural >>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be >>> unfortunate. >>> >>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing, >>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger >>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different >>> places. >> >>Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >>and counter productive. >> >>Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >>things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >>jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >>ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >>Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. >>Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. >> >>If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, >>incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). >>There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. > > I'm guessing you are not a big fan of poetry. Got that right. But I did like: Once I pondered weak and weary over many a quaint and forgotten lore... Quoth the raven nevermore. Hey, just looked it up, close. > As far as tone (inflection), there are many tonal languages, particularly in > Asia. But the same phenomena exists in English. Consider the following dialog: > > A: "I think we should check the foobar valve on the gizmo." > B: "Right." > > Depending on their tone, B's response might mean ready assent, questioning > hesitation, or even a sarcastic denial. True, but from what you wrote above it's completely impossible to tell. It's fun to be sarcastic in speech but the transcripts leave something to be desired. > And either you haven't heard of, or don't believe in the Whorfian Hypothesis: > put simply, the idea that language shapes thought. We see some evidence of that > in the many terms that English borrows for different concepts. A couple of > examples: schadenfreude, zeitgeist. Yes, they can be explained in a few words, > but its not same has having the concept encapsulated in a single word. And how > many times has it been said of a foreign word or phrase, "there's not an exact > translation." Puns, double entendres, and other word play are usually specific > to a language and don't survive when expressed in another. So yes, those > associations and humor would be lost, as well as a potentially different > weltanshauung and way of thinking. Somewhere along the line I said, if your language has unique ways of expressing things, that can be easily incorporated into English. > And what language should be the one language? Mandarin has by far the most > native speakers. Spanish is second, and is more widespread. English is third, > but Hindi has almost as many. Even outside of the French colonies, the French > language was long considered the language of diplomacy, and being fluent in it > was the mark of education and culture. Or perhaps you want to go in another > direction and pick a language spoken by only a small number of people. That > way, just about everybody is on equal footing in having to learn a new and > unfamilar language. And then there are the ad hoc "universal" languages. > Esperanto, anyone? > > English would be a poor choice. It's weakly inflected, and has many spelling > irregularities. It is known to be a difficult language for non-native speakers > to master. And without language mastery, one can't express unique and complex > ideas. Oh, sure we're all going to start using Esperanto. Didn't that crash and burn...yep, proposed in 1887. Hopefully we'll conquer this curse. I think it's clear English will win out, but I just want the curse to go away. If there's a better way to reach that end, so be it. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 11:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20200814115749.2898e8c88d5abd4c59832b68@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212777 |
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > I think it's clear English will win out It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 11:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsAC197D7613227admin127001@144.76.35.198> |
| In reply to | #212781 |
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:57:49 GMT, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think it's clear English will win out > > It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the > lingua > franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn > German in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all > speaking Hindi. > I doubt they can get their act together quickly enough before the stalled chinese conquest of the known world is completed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor#Diplomatic_missions_and_expl oration_of_the_world the 600 year temporary setback has ended. -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1398191291.619106158.844734.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212781 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think it's clear English will win out > > It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua > franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German > in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. > I often think we should go back to Latin. We lost a lot when scientists, etc. no longer shared a common language. -- Pete
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 16:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rh69k4$b4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212801 |
On 14/08/2020 15:13, Peter Flass wrote: > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 >> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think it's clear English will win out >> >> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua >> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German >> in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. >> > > I often think we should go back to Latin. We lost a lot when scientists, > etc. no longer shared a common language. > Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur?
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 11:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <166026644.619123083.106772.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212806 |
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 14/08/2020 15:13, Peter Flass wrote: >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 >>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I think it's clear English will win out >>> >>> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua >>> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German >>> in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. >>> >> >> I often think we should go back to Latin. We lost a lot when scientists, >> etc. no longer shared a common language. >> > > Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur? > > verba ex ore (thanks Google, my Latin is all in the bit bucket) -- Pete
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-15 23:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjgql4.abj.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #212828 |
On 2020-08-14, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 14/08/2020 15:13, Peter Flass wrote: >>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 >>>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think it's clear English will win out >>>> >>>> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua >>>> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German >>>> in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. >>>> >>> >>> I often think we should go back to Latin. We lost a lot when scientists, >>> etc. no longer shared a common language. >>> >> >> Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur? >> >> > > verba ex ore > > (thanks Google, my Latin is all in the bit bucket) > During my brief period of post primary education, I was taught latin. "It will help you learn French, Spanish, and Italian." "Would it not be better to just go to learn those languages.."
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-16 11:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <a6nijf9gugr7kfu4bnpma4n7li4c0se02j@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212885 |
On 15 Aug 2020 23:07:16 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >On 2020-08-14, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On 14/08/2020 15:13, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 >>>>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think it's clear English will win out >>>>> >>>>> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua >>>>> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German >>>>> in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I often think we should go back to Latin. We lost a lot when scientists, >>>> etc. no longer shared a common language. >>>> >>> >>> Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur? >>> >>> >> >> verba ex ore >> >> (thanks Google, my Latin is all in the bit bucket) >> > >During my brief period of post primary education, I was taught latin. > >"It will help you learn French, Spanish, and Italian." > >"Would it not be better to just go to learn those languages.." High school I went to only had Latin and formal Spanish. Since I was a C student in high school, I was one of many who were told we weren't smart enough to take latin as it was for doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, etc. and it didn't look like I would be one of those professionals. Yeah, I got my degree in applied computer science and repaired computers for over 30 years. -- Jim
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-15 23:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjgqe7.abj.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #212801 |
On 2020-08-14, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 >> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think it's clear English will win out >> >> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua >> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German >> in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. >> > > I often think we should go back to Latin. We lost a lot when scientists, > etc. no longer shared a common language. > When Latin was king, educated people spoke Greek. Nobody know if J.C spoke 'Koine' or Amaraic (sp?) Paul communicated in Greek, I think. Since I was confined in Bed, I have read about three books a day, and can now tell within 5 pages or so if the author is American. There is a growing amount of difference.
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 18:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hpo4ejF3334U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #212781 |
On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it's clear English will win out
>
> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua
> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to learn German
> in order to keep up with their field. We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi.
Well said, sir!
Niklas
--
Today's product of a disturbed mind: The image of an acoustic coupler
fitted with ball gags.
-- Steve VanDevender in asr
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 16:42 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87lfih57zy.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #212781 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think it's clear English will win out > > It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua > franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to > learn German in order to keep up with their field. As a budding chemist, I was so advised in the mid-50s. So I learned some German in high school and took "scientific German" at uni. As it turned out, I only spent a year working in science but during that year, the single most important book on the topic of our research was Biochemie des Hoerorgans and I was able to read it. Still have my personal copy. These days, I can read non-political parts of der Spiegel with a little effort. The vocabulary and subtext of German politics defeats me. > We may yet wind up all speaking Hindi. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 13:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <289137919.619130199.638666.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212834 |
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes: > >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 >> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think it's clear English will win out >> >> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua >> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to >> learn German in order to keep up with their field. > > As a budding chemist, I was so advised in the mid-50s. So I learned > some German in high school and took "scientific German" at uni. As > it turned out, I only spent a year working in science but during that > year, the single most important book on the topic of our research was > Biochemie des Hoerorgans and I was able to read it. Still have my > personal copy. > > These days, I can read non-political parts of der Spiegel with a > little effort. The vocabulary and subtext of German politics defeats > me. About the same here, ten years later. That’s one of the reasons I took German in high school. I try to do a little with it each week. I can understand around 40% of the dialog in German TV shows, and a bit more in documentaries. -- Pete
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-15 23:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjgqqm.abj.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #212842 |
On 2020-08-14, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: >> >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes: >> >>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 06:14:19 -0400 >>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I think it's clear English will win out >>> >>> It looks that way today, but not so long ago French was the lingua >>> franca, at another time many budding scientists were advised to >>> learn German in order to keep up with their field. >> >> As a budding chemist, I was so advised in the mid-50s. So I learned >> some German in high school and took "scientific German" at uni. As >> it turned out, I only spent a year working in science but during that >> year, the single most important book on the topic of our research was >> Biochemie des Hoerorgans and I was able to read it. Still have my >> personal copy. >> >> These days, I can read non-political parts of der Spiegel with a >> little effort. The vocabulary and subtext of German politics defeats >> me. > > About the same here, ten years later. That’s one of the reasons I took > German in high school. I try to do a little with it each week. I can > understand around 40% of the dialog in German TV shows, and a bit more in > documentaries. > Avoid German Comedies... EU Joke. Next Spring Ireland will be theonly EU country to have English as a primary language.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-08-17 09:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20200817092113.2bfe113b7e7ead87dcae2c3d@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212886 |
On 15 Aug 2020 23:10:14 GMT maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: > Avoid German Comedies... EU Joke. Next Spring Ireland will be theonly EU > country to have English as a primary language. Alternatively the only one not to have English as a secondary language. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-17 09:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rhdg5b$679$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212919 |
On 17/08/2020 09:21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On 15 Aug 2020 23:10:14 GMT > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: > >> Avoid German Comedies... EU Joke. Next Spring Ireland will be theonly EU >> country to have English as a primary language. > > Alternatively the only one not to have English as a secondary > language. > ... and in finance, before the Euro, why did Ireland call its pound, the punt? ... ... because they wanted it to rhyme with the British monarch of the day!
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-08-17 11:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20200817111423.1b32f22186754e333e3af830@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212921 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:46:34 +0100 gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: > ... and in finance, before the Euro, why did Ireland call > its pound, the punt? ... > > > ... because they wanted it to rhyme with the British monarch > of the day! That only works if you've never heard the word pronounced by the Irish, it doesn't sound the way you think it does - it's more like poont. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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