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Re: Is the Eternal September over

From usenet@only.tnx (Questor)
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers, alt.fan.usenet
Subject Re: Is the Eternal September over
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Date 2020-08-14 03:37 +0000

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On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:46:54 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes:
>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a
>>> blessing is that you like different languages?  I'm curious, why
>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others?  Or do you just
>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages
>>> that you know?
>>
>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world
>> today? Certainly.
>>
>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that
>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural
>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be
>> unfortunate.
>>
>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing,
>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger
>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different
>> places.
>
>Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak
>and counter productive.
>
>Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training
>things.  The speaker went on at length about the beauty of
>jive talk.  Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of
>ideas depending on the inflection.  I think it was "she be gone".
>Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me.
>Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go.
>
>If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea,
>incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before).
>There's no reason for anything of value to be lost.


I'm guessing you are not a big fan of poetry.


As far as tone (inflection), there are many tonal languages, particularly in
Asia.  But the same phenomena exists in English.  Consider the following dialog:

A:  "I think we should check the foobar valve on the gizmo."
B: "Right."

Depending on their tone, B's response might mean ready assent, questioning
hesitation, or even a sarcastic denial.


And either you haven't heard of, or don't believe in the Whorfian Hypothesis:
put simply, the idea that language shapes thought.  We see some evidence of that
in the many terms that English borrows for different concepts.  A couple of
examples:  schadenfreude, zeitgeist.  Yes, they can be explained in a few words,
but its not same has having the concept encapsulated in a single word.  And how
many times has it been said of a foreign word or phrase, "there's not an exact
translation."  Puns, double entendres, and other word play are usually specific
to a language and don't survive when expressed in another.  So yes, those
associations and humor would be lost, as well as a potentially different
weltanshauung and way of thinking.


And what language should be the one language?  Mandarin has by far the most
native speakers.  Spanish is second, and is more widespread.  English is third,
but Hindi has almost as many.  Even outside of the French colonies, the French
language was long considered the language of diplomacy, and being fluent in it
was the mark of education and culture.  Or perhaps you want to go in another
direction and pick a language spoken by only a small number of people.  That
way, just about everybody is on equal footing in having to learn a new and
unfamilar language.  And then there are the ad hoc "universal" languages.
Esperanto, anyone?

English would be a poor choice.  It's weakly inflected, and has many spelling
irregularities.  It is known to be a difficult language for non-native speakers
to master.  And without language mastery, one can't express unique and complex
ideas.

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