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Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer Programming?

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#162392

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-14 04:47 +1000
Message-ID	<dn7iieFt231U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162386


<mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnngt2pl.184.mausg@Smaus.org...
> On 2016-04-13, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:48:29 GMT
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>>
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>> >On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:07:07 GMT
>>> >scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> A far more apropos cause of obesity is the modern
>>> >> sedentary lifestyle which is due to TV and the
>>> >> relative lack of strenuous employment opportunities.
>>> >
>>> > Sounds plausible, except that I have a sedentary lifestyle and a
>>> >28" waist.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Ok.  Throw genetics into the mix.
>>
>><trys eugenicist hat on>
>> So all we have to do to end obesity forever is prevent the fat
>> ones from breeding.
>><throws hat away in disgust>
>>
>
> iN distant parts of the Internet, there are groups that swap pictures
> of ordinary sized men having sex with very fat women (And, I suppose,
> other areas where the opposite happens.) Very Large Ladies are appreciated
> in Africa. African women call European women " Stick-insects"
> That botswana lady detective books.
>
> I visited a friend in an asylum once, and was amazed at the girls 
> suffering
> from anorexia, with a nurse sitting beside the bed making sure they didn't
> vomit up the food. Anyone calling another human `fat',. I dislike.

Because you are a porker yourself.

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#162262

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-12 05:09 +1000
Message-ID	<dn2b2tFirakU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162256


"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1169926522.482082008.403209.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <MPG.316b7c2a14d4f4a698a077@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Disaster is more likely to come
>>>>>> from not understanding that putting too much weight in the wrong 
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> can cause control problems than from not understanding what goes on 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the engine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yes. Some drivers overload their car, because they (the drivers) 
>>>>> are
>>>>> so obese. What do you expect when the government is doing everything
>>>>> thing the can do to increase obesity?
>>>>
>>>> Wow!
>>>>
>>>> Can only guess that you are blaming your own over eating on the
>>>> government.  No cops in my kitchen, how about you?
>>>
>>> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>>> weight would increase.
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> Feel free to point out why:
>>
>> http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/
>>
>> Here I am banging my head against a rock wall.
>>
>> For those that can actually read and understand things,
>> here are the recommended calories:
>>
>> http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/appendix-2/
>>
>
> As others have said, the government giveth and the government taketh away.
> They give large subsidies to producers of sugar and corn (HFCS),

Yes.

> so sweets are relatively cheaper than they should be.

No. All those subsidies do is encourage the use of high
fructose corn syrup etc instead of sugar from sugar cane.

Those countries that don’t have any subsidies for
the production of sugar from sugar cane still have
exactly the same problem with obesity levels.

> It's like grocery coupons

Nothing like in fact.

> - I never see coupons for broccoli or kale,
> but always do for soda and potato chips.

We get plenty that work on just the dollar value
of the good purchased and it doesn’t matter what
those goods are.

And we do in fact have other ones where you only
get the dollar value rebate for what you spend on
fresh fruit and veg.

And that isnt the govt anyway, that’s the supermarkets.

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#162286

From	Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date	2016-04-11 17:22 -0500
Message-ID	<neh7tu$c9e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#162256

On 4/11/2016 10:43 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <MPG.316b7c2a14d4f4a698a077@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Disaster is more likely to come
>>>>>> from not understanding that putting too much weight in the wrong place
>>>>>> can cause control problems than from not understanding what goes on in
>>>>>> the engine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yes. Some drivers overload their car, because they (the drivers) are
>>>>> so obese. What do you expect when the government is doing everything
>>>>> thing the can do to increase obesity?
>>>>
>>>> Wow!
>>>>
>>>> Can only guess that you are blaming your own over eating on the
>>>> government.  No cops in my kitchen, how about you?
>>>
>>> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>>> weight would increase.
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> Feel free to point out why:
>>
>> http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/
>>
>> Here I am banging my head against a rock wall.
>>
>> For those that can actually read and understand things,
>> here are the recommended calories:
>>
>> http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/appendix-2/
>>
>
> As others have said, the government giveth and the government taketh away.
> They give large subsidies to producers of sugar and corn (HFCS), so sweets
> are relatively cheaper than they should be.  It's like grocery coupons - I
> never see coupons for broccoli or kale, but always do for soda and potato
> chips.
>
Sorta. You're right about the subsidies. And the US govt (via the 
USDA) has historically pushed dairy and meat, which may have been 
useful a century ago but today is mostly to make the producers happy. 
But soda and chips tend to be national (or at least regional) brands, 
and the coupons may well be by the manufacturer. You don't see that 
with broccoli etc., where there usually isn't any national brand 
involved (or, if there is, the product is not seen as more valuable 
than that from the Miskatonic Grower's Association). I do see (usually 
store) coupons for some veggies though they tend to be for the more 
'value added' varieties (baby carrots, bagged salad, grape tomatoes, 
broccoli hearts). I suspect that the hassle and expense of doing 
coupons mitigates against them (as opposed to just putting the item on 
sale) at the retail end.

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#162260

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-12 04:57 +1000
Message-ID	<dn2accFil96U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162251


"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM000530346BFD1637@aca4464e.ipt.aol.com...
> Dan Espen wrote:
>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.316b7c2a14d4f4a698a077@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>  "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Disaster is more likely to come
>>>> from not understanding that putting too much weight in the wrong place
>>>> can cause control problems than from not understanding what goes on in
>>>> the engine.
>>>
>>> Oh yes. Some drivers overload their car, because they (the drivers) are
>>> so obese. What do you expect when the government is doing everything
>>> thing the can do to increase obesity?
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> Can only guess that you are blaming your own over eating on the
>> government.  No cops in my kitchen, how about you?
>
> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
> weight would increase.

Separate matter entirely to that "the government is doing everything
thing the can do to increase obesity" lie.

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#162265

From	hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date	2016-04-11 13:36 -0700
Message-ID	<5869b4fe-0f5f-4be8-a3cd-2f9eda0c1d16@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#162251

On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:08:58 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:

> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
> weight would increase.

No, actually, they do recommend very healthy foods.

The problem is we humans like to eat stuff that is bad for us.
Also, too many of us are too rushed to shop properly and prepare
proper meals, so we get junk food or processed food substitutes.

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#162317

From	jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date	2016-04-12 12:47 +0000
Message-ID	<PM00053048DD6EB0B4@aca41e19.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to	#162265

hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:08:58 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
>> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>> weight would increase.
>
> No, actually, they do recommend very healthy foods.

You can gain weight by eating too much of those very healthy foods.

>
> The problem is we humans like to eat stuff that is bad for us.
> Also, too many of us are too rushed to shop properly and prepare
> proper meals, so we get junk food or processed food substitutes.
>
>
Healthy foods also contain calories.  If you ingest more calories than
you expend, the body is fixed so that the extra energy will be changed
into fats and stored until needed.  That is a feature.

/BAH

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#162326

From	scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date	2016-04-12 14:03 +0000
Message-ID	<ye7Py.12107$_K.8023@fx38.iad>
In reply to	#162317

jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:08:58 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>>> weight would increase.
>>
>> No, actually, they do recommend very healthy foods.
>
>You can gain weight by eating too much of those very healthy foods.

A more obvious statement has yet to be made.

In any event, the government isn't forcing _anyone_ to
"eat too much of those healthy foods".

Take some responsibility for your own actions instead of accusing
the goverment of malfeasance.

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#162329

From	Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date	2016-04-12 16:44 +0200
Message-ID	<q6evtc-pi4.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to	#162317

In article <PM00053048DD6EB0B4@aca41e19.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:08:58 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>>> weight would increase.
>>
>> No, actually, they do recommend very healthy foods.
>
>You can gain weight by eating too much of those very healthy foods.
>
>>
>> The problem is we humans like to eat stuff that is bad for us.
>> Also, too many of us are too rushed to shop properly and prepare
>> proper meals, so we get junk food or processed food substitutes.
>>
>>
>Healthy foods also contain calories.  If you ingest more calories than
>you expend, the body is fixed so that the extra energy will be changed
>into fats and stored until needed.  That is a feature.

I am sure the official government recommentations are just fine for
a normal, not overweight, healthy person.

For the overweight it generally (not specific US here) recommend
too much carbs, but nothing outrageous.

It is the other end I am concerned about. The actual growing, production
and sales of the agricultural products. That market is pretty manipulated, 
and in the US it seems it is still geared towards ca 1880 needs. This
was a period where actual calories were a big issue in the food supply.

This is not the case much more. Now it is fiber, protein, minerals
and vitamins.

-- mrr

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#162336

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-13 05:06 +1000
Message-ID	<dn4v9aF8rucU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162317


"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM00053048DD6EB0B4@aca41e19.ipt.aol.com...
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 8:08:58 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>> If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>>> weight would increase.
>>
>> No, actually, they do recommend very healthy foods.
>
> You can gain weight by eating too much of those very healthy foods.

Much harder to do that than with very calorie rich unhealthy food tho.

>> The problem is we humans like to eat stuff that is bad for us.
>> Also, too many of us are too rushed to shop properly and prepare
>> proper meals, so we get junk food or processed food substitutes.
>>
>>
> Healthy foods also contain calories.  If you ingest more calories than
> you expend, the body is fixed so that the extra energy will be changed
> into fats and stored until needed.  That is a feature.
>
> /BAH

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#162396

From	hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date	2016-04-13 12:46 -0700
Message-ID	<97a43de7-0f77-4b0f-a8ca-4f0fe34c097e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#162317

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 8:45:23 AM UTC-4, jmfbahciv wrote:

> Healthy foods also contain calories.  If you ingest more calories than
> you expend, the body is fixed so that the extra energy will be changed
> into fats and stored until needed.  That is a feature.

A diet of healthy foods contains less calories and 'bad staff'
than a diet of unhealthy foods.  Unhealthy foods will load you
up with calories and other bad stuff but not much good nutrition.

In other words, white bread isn't as healthy as fresh vegatables.

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#162301 — Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer

From	Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com>
Date	2016-04-12 07:20 +0100
Subject	Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer
Message-ID	<dn3idmFrsauU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162251

in 663498 20160411 130709 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>Dan Espen wrote:
>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.316b7c2a14d4f4a698a077@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>  "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Disaster is more likely to come
>>>> from not understanding that putting too much weight in the wrong place
>>>> can cause control problems than from not understanding what goes on in
>>>> the engine.
>>>
>>> Oh yes. Some drivers overload their car, because they (the drivers) are
>>> so obese. What do you expect when the government is doing everything
>>> thing the can do to increase obesity?
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> Can only guess that you are blaming your own over eating on the
>> government.  No cops in my kitchen, how about you?
>
>If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>weight would increase.

There is no "the government".
If you mean the US government then say so, world government is some way off.

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#162313 — Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer

From	"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date	2016-04-12 06:59 -0500
Subject	Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer
Message-ID	<dn468vF2cpeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162301

"Bob Martin" wrote:

> in 663498 20160411 130709 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Dan Espen wrote:
>>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> In article <MPG.316b7c2a14d4f4a698a077@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>  "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Disaster is more likely to come
>>>>> from not understanding that putting too much weight in the wrong place
>>>>> can cause control problems than from not understanding what goes on in
>>>>> the engine.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes. Some drivers overload their car, because they (the drivers) are
>>>> so obese. What do you expect when the government is doing everything
>>>> thing the can do to increase obesity?
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>>
>>> Can only guess that you are blaming your own over eating on the
>>> government.  No cops in my kitchen, how about you?
>>
>>If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>>weight would increase.
>
> There is no "the government".
> If you mean the US government then say so, world government is some way 
> off.

That is a continuing problem on a newsgroup such as this.  Ideally all the 
participants would post a helpful signature.  But I just tested the 
signature capabilities of my e-mail program and it has insufficient magic 
and is thus a PITA to use.  We need more magic!

Signature applied manually.
--
USA

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#162315 — Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer

From	Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date	2016-04-12 12:10 +0000
Subject	Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer
Message-ID	<dn46toF13lcU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162313

On 2016-04-12, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:

[33 lines snipped]

>
> Signature applied manually.
> --
> USA
>

And sadly, incorrectly. It needs a space after the two dashes.

-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 29th day of Discord in the YOLD 3182
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#162316 — Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer

From	jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date	2016-04-12 12:31 +0000
Subject	Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer
Message-ID	<PM00053048D53F9FD0@aca41e19.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to	#162301

Bob Martin wrote:
> in 663498 20160411 130709 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Dan Espen wrote:
>>> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> In article <MPG.316b7c2a14d4f4a698a077@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>  "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Disaster is more likely to come
>>>>> from not understanding that putting too much weight in the wrong place
>>>>> can cause control problems than from not understanding what goes on in
>>>>> the engine.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes. Some drivers overload their car, because they (the drivers) are
>>>> so obese. What do you expect when the government is doing everything
>>>> thing the can do to increase obesity?
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>>
>>> Can only guess that you are blaming your own over eating on the
>>> government.  No cops in my kitchen, how about you?
>>
>>If you obeyed what the government recommends you should eat, your
>>weight would increase.
>
> There is no "the government".
> If you mean the US government then say so, world government is some way off.

I was replying to a USAian.  Doesn't your government issue a recommended
list of food groups you should eat every day?

/BAH

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#161958

From	Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com>
Date	2016-04-04 04:19 +0100
Message-ID	<_YOdnZvjB5-rQJzKnZ2dnUU78TfNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#161933

On 03/04/2016 23:54, Mike Spencer wrote:
{snip}

> Interesting that such a debate occurred.  I've long belived that
> everbody should have some basic knowledge of (what I think of, rather
> loosely as) the next level down from the one at which they're working.
> Drivers should indeed have some understanding of the internal
> combustion engine and maybe even the auto trans.

One level down means a driver needs to know that a driver has to know 
that a car has an engine, wheels, fuel tank and that the steering wheel 
is connected to the front wheels. About all she needs to know about the 
engine is that some burn petrol and some diesel plus using the wrong 
fuel will damage the engine.

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#161891

From	Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com>
Date	2016-04-03 13:02 -0400
Message-ID	<proto-116F58.13023203042016@news.panix.com>
In reply to	#161568

In article <20160329134207.4d7d77389889326e422c0e55@eircom.net>,
 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On 29 Mar 2016 12:25:57 GMT
> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:50:42 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > 
> > >     I'd say that depends on whether you want to learn to write 
> > programs
> > > or to understand algorithms. Knuth is an amazingly comprehensive
> > > academic study and catalogue of algorithms, a truly wonderful reference.
> > > It is indeed not a tutorial for beginners (or indeed anybody).
> > 
> > I too thought the OP sounded like a beginner.
> 
>         I rather suspect so, but I'd hate to discourage anyone from
> studying algorithms - far too few ever do.
> 
> > I find Knuth useful but I've been a computer scientist for nearly 40 
> > years. It's right here on the shelf!
> 
>         The real hope is that the OP will find it fascinating and go on to
> create algorithms of wonderous subtlety.
> 
>         The one problem with Knuth is that you've probably had it on your
> shelf for those nearly 40 years - there have been a few new twists on
> algorithms and data structures in the meantime, and rather less need for
> sort/merge that won't fit in online storage than there used to be.

 Only a few people _need_ to do a sort/merge these days, the canned ones
are probably better not to mention better tested.

-- 
 To terrify children with the image of hell,
 to consider women an inferior creation is that good for the world?  
  Christopher Hitchens

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#161901

From	Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date	2016-04-03 18:42 +0100
Message-ID	<20160403184232.f154dff0a8b82e799b9f2e64@eircom.net>
In reply to	#161891

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:02:37 -0400
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:

> In article <20160329134207.4d7d77389889326e422c0e55@eircom.net>,
>  Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> 
> >         The one problem with Knuth is that you've probably had it on
> > your shelf for those nearly 40 years - there have been a few new twists
> > on algorithms and data structures in the meantime, and rather less need
> > for sort/merge that won't fit in online storage than there used to be.
> 
>  Only a few people _need_ to do a sort/merge these days, the canned ones
> are probably better not to mention better tested.

	Even fewer need to consider the cases where the canned ones are not
suited - the we have the data on n tapes and we have m tape drives how do
we sort it and minimise the tape swaps! These days if the data won't fit in
RAM it's bigger than most datasets when those chapters were written.

-- 
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C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#162157

From	hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date	2016-04-05 13:13 -0700
Message-ID	<cd154edd-f107-43ca-91bd-78c8d666c42a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#161901

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> 	Even fewer need to consider the cases where the canned ones are not
> suited - the we have the data on n tapes and we have m tape drives how do
> we sort it and minimise the tape swaps! These days if the data won't fit in
> RAM it's bigger than most datasets when those chapters were written.

Some years ago, I had a large file to sort and needed to give
special parameters to SYNCSORT in order it to run properly on our
machine.  Once it was coded, it handled the large files without
problem.

I think going further back, when machines weren't as big,
SYNCSORT (and probably IBM's sort) had various options to 
make best use of available core, tape, and disk drives.
Presumably, all those options are still available.

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#162170

From	Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date	2016-04-05 17:46 -0400
Message-ID	<187412625.481582518.831463.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#162157

<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> 
>> Even fewer need to consider the cases where the canned ones are not
>> suited - the we have the data on n tapes and we have m tape drives how do
>> we sort it and minimise the tape swaps! These days if the data won't fit in
>> RAM it's bigger than most datasets when those chapters were written.
> 
> Some years ago, I had a large file to sort and needed to give
> special parameters to SYNCSORT in order it to run properly on our
> machine.  Once it was coded, it handled the large files without
> problem.
> 
> I think going further back, when machines weren't as big,
> SYNCSORT (and probably IBM's sort) had various options to 
> make best use of available core, tape, and disk drives.
> Presumably, all those options are still available.
> 
> 
> 

No, DFSORT has eliminated most (maybe all) the options.  OS/370 SORT used
to have options to use a number of different sort algorithms depending on
the number and type of devices (and possibly main storage) available.

-- 
Pete

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#162173

From	Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date	2016-04-05 17:48 -0400
Message-ID	<319588989.481585607.542372.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#162170

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> 
>>> Even fewer need to consider the cases where the canned ones are not
>>> suited - the we have the data on n tapes and we have m tape drives how do
>>> we sort it and minimise the tape swaps! These days if the data won't fit in
>>> RAM it's bigger than most datasets when those chapters were written.
>> 
>> Some years ago, I had a large file to sort and needed to give
>> special parameters to SYNCSORT in order it to run properly on our
>> machine.  Once it was coded, it handled the large files without
>> problem.
>> 
>> I think going further back, when machines weren't as big,
>> SYNCSORT (and probably IBM's sort) had various options to 
>> make best use of available core, tape, and disk drives.
>> Presumably, all those options are still available.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> No, DFSORT has eliminated most (maybe all) the options.  OS/370 SORT used
                                                                           
                            ^^^^^^^  OS/360, of course
> to have options to use a number of different sort algorithms depending on
> the number and type of devices (and possibly main storage) available.
> 



-- 
Pete

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