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From punch cards to smartphones

Started byBob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com>
First post2016-04-02 07:28 +0100
Last post2016-04-03 03:14 +1000
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  From punch cards to smartphones Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-04-02 07:28 +0100
    Re: From punch cards to smartphones mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-02 08:28 +0000
    Re: From punch cards to smartphones "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-02 19:43 +1100
      Re: From punch cards to smartphones mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-04-02 06:43 -0700
        Re: From punch cards to smartphones "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-03 03:14 +1000

#161814 — From punch cards to smartphones

FromBob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com>
Date2016-04-02 07:28 +0100
SubjectFrom punch cards to smartphones
Message-ID<dm974vF6vh5U1@mid.individual.net>
Interesting article on BBC news : 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35924858

"After World War II, Britain was a hotbed of pioneering computer research. 
Work done on automatic ways to crack codes and spot enemy aircraft 
meant it had a skilled cadre of engineers and scientists equipped with 
the knowledge to create powerful and practical computers."

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#161815

Frommausg@mail.com
Date2016-04-02 08:28 +0000
Message-ID<slrnnfv0k5.18v.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to#161814
On 2016-04-02, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting article on BBC news : 
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35924858
>
> "After World War II, Britain was a hotbed of pioneering computer research. 
> Work done on automatic ways to crack codes and spot enemy aircraft 
> meant it had a skilled cadre of engineers and scientists equipped with 
> the knowledge to create powerful and practical computers."

I did a recommendation a while ago for a book called "Colossus*"
and am working through it slowly (big book, even on Kindle)

If there was ever a recommendation for Open Source, the way the
British buried the amount of progress that had been done on data
analysis during the war, was it.

What is suprising is the amount that is still considered secret.



-- 
greymaus
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#161818

From"764hho" <764hho@nospam.com>
Date2016-04-02 19:43 +1100
Message-ID<dm9f11F93stU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161814

"Bob Martin" <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote in message 
news:dm974vF6vh5U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Interesting article on BBC news :
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35924858
>
> "After World War II, Britain was a hotbed of pioneering computer research.
> Work done on automatic ways to crack codes and spot enemy aircraft
> meant it had a skilled cadre of engineers and scientists equipped with
> the knowledge to create powerful and practical computers."

And they basically blew it and the yanks ruled the world of computers. 

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#161823

Frommentificium@gmail.com
Date2016-04-02 06:43 -0700
Message-ID<eee7509c-43ad-4693-83ef-35915eb22899@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#161818
On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 1:43:15 AM UTC-7, 764hho wrote:
> "Bob Martin" <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote in message 
> news:dm974vF6vh5U1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > Interesting article on BBC news :
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35924858
> >
> > "After World War II, Britain was a hotbed of pioneering computer research.
> > Work done on automatic ways to crack codes and spot enemy aircraft
> > meant it had a skilled cadre of engineers and scientists equipped with
> > the knowledge to create powerful and practical computers."
> 
> And they basically blew it and the yanks ruled the world of computers.

The Russians have a chance to win the whole ball of wax with 

http://www.nlg-wiki.org/systems/Dushka -- Strong AI in Russian 

and with the Ghost Perl Webserver AI in Russian and English at 

http://wiki.opencog.org/wikihome/index.php/Ghost 

plus the advances towards Russian AI being discussed at 

https://geektimes.ru and 

http://gotai.net/forum 

-- 
http://www.sourcecodeonline.com/details/ghost_perl_webserver_strong_ai.html 

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#161828

From"764hho" <764hho@nospam.com>
Date2016-04-03 03:14 +1000
Message-ID<dmacvcFgibrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161823

<mentificium@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:eee7509c-43ad-4693-83ef-35915eb22899@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 1:43:15 AM UTC-7, 764hho wrote:
>> "Bob Martin" <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:dm974vF6vh5U1@mid.individual.net...
>> >
>> > Interesting article on BBC news :
>> >
>> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35924858
>> >
>> > "After World War II, Britain was a hotbed of pioneering computer 
>> > research.
>> > Work done on automatic ways to crack codes and spot enemy aircraft
>> > meant it had a skilled cadre of engineers and scientists equipped with
>> > the knowledge to create powerful and practical computers."
>>
>> And they basically blew it and the yanks ruled the world of computers.
>
> The Russians have a chance to win the whole ball of wax with
>
> http://www.nlg-wiki.org/systems/Dushka -- Strong AI in Russian
>
> and with the Ghost Perl Webserver AI in Russian and English at
>
> http://wiki.opencog.org/wikihome/index.php/Ghost
>
> plus the advances towards Russian AI being discussed at
>
> https://geektimes.ru and
>
> http://gotai.net/forum
>
> -- 
> http://www.sourcecodeonline.com/details/ghost_perl_webserver_strong_ai.html

Can't see them winning the whole ball of wax that way myself.

They haven't even managed to get close to what Airbus had
achieved with the use of AI in heavy aircraft or anything like
it either, for various reasons. Same with cars and smartphones.

The problem is that you need to have cutting edge industries that
can usefully use that stuff to get anywhere with it and Russia doesn't.

I can't even think of a single Russian app that dominates
the entire world in its area that most use. 

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