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  Apple still fighting FBI/Justice Dept hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-25 15:47 -0800
    Re: Apple still fighting FBI/Justice Dept JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:31 -0600
      Re: Apple still fighting FBI/Justice Dept Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-26 09:05 +0000
      Re: Apple still fighting FBI/Justice Dept scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-26 15:44 +0000
    Re: Apple still fighting FBI/Justice Dept "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 14:46 +1100

#160196 — Apple still fighting FBI/Justice Dept

ABC News reported tonight that Apple is asking a judge to vacate his
order to write software to access a phone.  Apple said there are safety
risk issues involved if they did so.

ABC interviewed a congressman who said "Apple has blood on their hands".
However, it is not at all clear that information on this particular
phone would prevent a terrorist attack.

Seems that in this particular case, Apple has a strong argument.

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#160201

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:47:10 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>ABC News reported tonight that Apple is asking a judge to vacate his
>order to write software to access a phone.  Apple said there are safety
>risk issues involved if they did so.
>
>ABC interviewed a congressman who said "Apple has blood on their hands".
>However, it is not at all clear that information on this particular
>phone would prevent a terrorist attack.
>
>Seems that in this particular case, Apple has a strong argument.

We wont know if they have a strong argument or not until such time as
the FBI looks at the data on the phone. Neither does the congressman.

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JimP.

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#160208

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 18:31:18 -0600
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:47:10 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >ABC News reported tonight that Apple is asking a judge to vacate his
> >order to write software to access a phone.  Apple said there are safety
> >risk issues involved if they did so.
> >
> >ABC interviewed a congressman who said "Apple has blood on their hands".
> >However, it is not at all clear that information on this particular
> >phone would prevent a terrorist attack.
> >
> >Seems that in this particular case, Apple has a strong argument.
> 
> We wont know if they have a strong argument or not until such time as
> the FBI looks at the data on the phone. Neither does the congressman.

	As far as I can see the strongest argument Apple has is "What else
can/will this software be used for ?" rather than the merits of the
individual case.

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#160215

JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:47:10 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>ABC News reported tonight that Apple is asking a judge to vacate his
>>order to write software to access a phone.  Apple said there are safety
>>risk issues involved if they did so.
>>
>>ABC interviewed a congressman who said "Apple has blood on their hands".
>>However, it is not at all clear that information on this particular
>>phone would prevent a terrorist attack.
>>
>>Seems that in this particular case, Apple has a strong argument.
>
>We wont know if they have a strong argument or not until such time as
>the FBI looks at the data on the phone. Neither does the congressman.

Simple logic tells one that there is likely nothing of import on that phone.

Note that the perps very thoroughly destroyed their personal phones. The
phone in this case is one of the perps county-issued phones - it's highly
unlikely that the perp would have used it for anything other than company
business (given the destruction of his personal phone).

It's clear this is intended to set a precedent.

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#160204

<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:9c3a0b94-ec77-4ccf-8597-06021cf3343f@googlegroups.com...
> ABC News reported tonight that Apple is asking a judge to vacate his
> order to write software to access a phone.  Apple said there are safety
> risk issues involved if they did so.

> ABC interviewed a congressman who said "Apple has blood on their hands".

Just the usual mindless rhetoric you'd expect from
a congresscritter who doesn't have a fucking clue.

> However, it is not at all clear that information on
> this particular phone would prevent a terrorist attack.

Indeed it is very unlikely indeed that it does given that
those two deliberately destroyed the burner phones.

Yes, its possible that they stuffed up and that there is
some data on that phone that they managed to leave
after the last icloud backup that the FBI has access to,
but its very unlikely indeed.

> Seems that in this particular case, Apple has a strong argument.

Particularly on what they can be required to do if
they do what this particular court has required them
to do, and with Cook's argument about the danger
of implementing that sort of back door to iphones,
particularly if it gets into the hands of other than
the govt. And plenty don't want to see the govt be
able to do anything they like to any iphone either. 

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