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Thanks Obama

Started byDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
First post2016-01-18 10:35 -0500
Last post2016-01-24 10:08 +0000
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  Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 10:35 -0500
    Re: Thanks Obama Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 16:09 +0000
      Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-18 17:17 +0000
        Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-18 19:19 +0000
      Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:44 -0400
        Re: Thanks Obama Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 07:28 +0000
          Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 12:42 +0000
    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:18 -0500
      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 04:25 +1100
        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:56 -0500
          Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-18 13:08 -0600
            Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-18 12:00 -0800
              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:28 -0500
            Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 09:45 +0100
              Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:37 +1100
          Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 11:35 +1100
            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0500
              Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 07:22 +0000
                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 06:42 -0500
          Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 18:55 -0600
            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:41 -0500
              Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 22:40 -0500
                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 23:11 -0500
                  Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 23:26 -0500
                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 08:08 +0000
                  Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:56 -0600
                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:57 -0500
                      Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:32 -0600
                      Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 03:05 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:27 -0800
                    Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:55 -0800
              Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:06 +0100
                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 06:48 -0500
                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 14:44 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 09:07 -0600
                      Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:43 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:49 -0500
                        Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:09 +0000
                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 15:21 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 16:24 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 17:04 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:09 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:44 +1100
                        Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 10:53 -0600
                          Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 11:22 -0600
                            Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:19 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:47 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:24 +0000
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:55 +1100
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-20 17:07 -0800
                                  Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:59 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:32 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 12:03 -0800
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:12 -0600
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 14:14 -0800
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-23 21:17 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 14:13 -0800
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 18:25 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 18:10 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:40 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:03 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:01 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 12:15 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 09:07 +1100
                            Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:54 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:20 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 19:47 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 13:27 +1100
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 12:09 +1100
                    Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 07:30 -0800
                      Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 12:22 -0500
                        Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 05:35 +1100
                        Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 10:59 -0800
                        Re: Thanks Obama Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-19 16:26 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 21:31 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:51 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 17:05 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:59 +1100
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:03 -0500
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:19 +1100
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:56 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:12 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:31 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:45 -0500
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:27 +1100
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:45 -0500
                                          Re: Thanks Obama "Sam James" <cf@nospam.com> - 2016-01-21 05:26 +1100
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:48 -0500
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-20 00:56 -0600
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:16 +1100
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:47 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:17 -0800
                              Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:43 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-21 05:28 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:26 +1100
                          Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:22 +1100
                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:09 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:23 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:39 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 14:44 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:36 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 07:00 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:17 +1100
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 08:08 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:18 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:56 -0500
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:51 +0000
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:36 +1100
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:53 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 04:28 +1100
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 18:56 +0000
                                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 07:44 +1100
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 06:59 -0500
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 08:16 -0500
                                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 15:58 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-21 16:37 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-21 10:47 -0600
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:33 -0600
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 17:22 -0500
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:30 -0800
                                              Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 11:05 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 05:21 +1100
                      Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 20:56 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:01 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:11 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 18:09 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 11:44 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:09 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:58 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 23:48 +0000
                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:34 -0800
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:06 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:55 -0600
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 15:00 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:17 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:45 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:03 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 14:00 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:23 -0600
                            Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:32 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 20:34 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 02:51 +0000
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:46 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:19 -0800
                          Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 17:42 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:42 -0800
                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:10 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:30 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:35 -0600
                            Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:31 -0800
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:05 +1100
                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:20 -0600
                          Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:23 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:31 -0800
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 08:59 +1100
                          Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:55 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 17:24 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:51 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:04 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 03:24 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:52 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:31 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 20:53 -0800
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:34 +1100
                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:58 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:15 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 19:39 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 20:09 -0600
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 13:30 +1100
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-21 02:29 +0000
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 13:39 -0600
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-27 15:12 -0500
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:18 -0500
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-28 00:30 +0100
                                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 21:45 -0500
                                                Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 20:46 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:26 -0600
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 13:11 -0600
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-27 15:31 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:20 -0500
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 12:16 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 14:23 +0000
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-28 09:14 -0600
                                                Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 15:34 +0000
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:11 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 12:27 -0600
                                              Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-28 12:52 -0600
                                                Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-28 14:10 -0600
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:19 +0000
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 09:57 +0100
                                                    Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-29 14:08 +0000
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 15:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama "Simmy Jacks" <sk98@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 05:10 +1100
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 22:13 +0100
                                                          Re: Thanks Obama "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:59 +1100
                                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 15:43 -0600
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 03:06 -0400
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama "Simmy Jacks" <sk98@nospam.com> - 2016-01-29 19:53 +1100
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-29 09:12 -0600
                                                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 18:36 +0000
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-29 09:48 +0000
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-29 07:48 -0800
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-29 13:40 -0600
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 17:57 -0400
                                                          Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-29 22:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 17:40 -0600
                                                              Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 19:38 -0600
                                                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-29 18:14 -0800
                                                                Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-30 11:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:47 -0500
                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:31 -0600
                                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 10:40 -0500
                                                                        Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 13:21 -0600
                                                                          Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-31 00:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 13:24 -0600
                                                                          Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 15:32 -0500
                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 15:29 -0600
                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 16:57 -0600
                                                                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 19:00 -0500
                                                                                Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 10:43 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:22 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-31 19:30 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 21:56 -0600
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                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 18:25 -0400
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                                                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-30 11:08 +0000
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                                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:35 +0000
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                                      Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-24 22:11 -0600
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 23:17 -0600
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
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                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-28 13:15 -0800
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:43 -0500
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                                              Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-27 09:23 +1100
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:38 +0000
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                            Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 18:40 -0800
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                    Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 15:51 +0000
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                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:54 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-01-20 11:32 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 17:39 +0000
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                              Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:48 -0800
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                            Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:01 +0000
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                                    Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
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                                      Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-24 22:08 -0600
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                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 11:01 -0800
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                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 19:23 -0800
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                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 18:33 -0500
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:35 -0600
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-26 18:23 +0000
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                                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 13:44 -0800
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                                                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 16:58 -0800
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                                                                        Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 14:26 +0000
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                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 14:03 +0000
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                                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 21:24 +0000
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                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:27 -0600
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                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 16:04 +0000
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                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 16:36 -0600
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:03 -0500
                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 13:12 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 09:48 -0500
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 10:02 -0800
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                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-25 15:16 -0600
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                                                    Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 14:12 -0800
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                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-26 11:04 -0800
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 11:20 -0800
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 14:29 -0600
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-28 17:08 -0800
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                                                        Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 13:37 -0800
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 07:46 -0800
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
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#157861

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-26 19:02 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.3111d31d4755cf66989eb4@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#157744
In article <ap5knc-456.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>, 
first@last.name.invalid says...
> 
> In article <20160126091605.a6c441e3b309ac78bc1e8d6c@eircom.net>,
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot  <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> >On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:34:11 -0600
> >Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 25-Jan-16 12:48, Dave Garland wrote:
> >> > On 1/25/2016 10:27 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> >> >> On 25-Jan-16 07:25, Peter Flass wrote:
> >> >>> Kosovo remains a problem, but that's again because it needs to be
> >> >>> split, with part going to Serbia! but the world refuses to go 
> >> >>> along.
> >> >> 
> >> >> We let them draw their own borders several times, and now they
> >> >> want to change them yet again.  Personally, as long as those on
> >> >> both sides agree, they should be able to move them as they wish,
> >> >> but I can understand if others are reticent to let them keep
> >> >> changing things, which sets a precedent for constant future
> >> >> changes.
> >> > 
> >> > To my mind, it's a good argument for the abolishing of borders, and 
> >> > ultimately nation-states. But that isn't going to happen anytime 
> >> > soon.
> >> 
> >> First you must understand why we evolved from tribes to city-states to
> >> nation-states,
> >
> >	Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why) or
> >whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a
> >planetary-state. The EU appears to be heading in that direction, for once
> >without using conquest as a mechanism.
> 
> We are at continent-states for the time being. The US plus junior partner
> Canada (which has been unrightfully scoffed after 9/11) and soon-to-be
> partner Mexico [1]. The EU plus outlying partner areas; CH+EES++, China, 
> India; even Mercosur in South America is making this song&dance, even if
> they are at par with Pre-EEC Europe at this time. China and India are
> continents in their own right.
> 
> The gloriously lacking parts are Africa and the Middle East; which are
> locked down by repressive national governments and strict borders. (Yes, there
> are some hopeful areas; like the East African union etc. but they are 
> like Europe in the 1920s.) And the Pacific Rim are locked out of the
> mainland, which is still a desirable state of affairs; but for how long?
>  
> -- mrr
> 
> [1] Trump has totally misidentified the current US immigrant problem.
> Mexico is now at par with where the US was in GDP per person in 1962-1966
> (depending on measurement) and is catching up reasonably rapidly. The
> reason Mexicans now emigrate is high differences between rich and poor, and
> insecurity because of the drug war. Both of these are pretty fixable with
> efforts from MX(gini factor) and US(drug war). Mexico is also rapidly
> becoming a production ground for US companies; to rival China for the
> right products. The cash remittances between Mexican families now have
> twentysomething percent going INTO the US, to support family members that
> are sick and out of work there. This is new the last 5 years.
> 
> The border that needs defending now is the one south of Mexico. For that, 
> the US must partner with Mexico. Like the US partnered with Canada up until
> 8/11/01. 

When has Trump said anything against immigration from Mexico?  He has 
said quite a lot about ILLEGAL immigration and about MUSLIM immigration, 
but I don't recall him saying anything in particular against legal 
immigration from Mexico or anywhere else in the Western hemisphere.

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#157925

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Message-ID<PM00052A51ED66102C@aca4109b.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#157861
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <ap5knc-456.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>,
> first@last.name.invalid says...
>>
>> In article <20160126091605.a6c441e3b309ac78bc1e8d6c@eircom.net>,
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot  <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> >On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 22:34:11 -0600
>> >Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 25-Jan-16 12:48, Dave Garland wrote:
>> >> > On 1/25/2016 10:27 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> >> >> On 25-Jan-16 07:25, Peter Flass wrote:
>> >> >>> Kosovo remains a problem, but that's again because it needs to be
>> >> >>> split, with part going to Serbia! but the world refuses to go
>> >> >>> along.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We let them draw their own borders several times, and now they
>> >> >> want to change them yet again.  Personally, as long as those on
>> >> >> both sides agree, they should be able to move them as they wish,
>> >> >> but I can understand if others are reticent to let them keep
>> >> >> changing things, which sets a precedent for constant future
>> >> >> changes.
>> >> >
>> >> > To my mind, it's a good argument for the abolishing of borders, and
>> >> > ultimately nation-states. But that isn't going to happen anytime
>> >> > soon.
>> >>
>> >> First you must understand why we evolved from tribes to city-states to
>> >> nation-states,
>> >
>> >    Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why) or
>> >whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a
>> >planetary-state. The EU appears to be heading in that direction, for once
>> >without using conquest as a mechanism.
>>
>> We are at continent-states for the time being. The US plus junior partner
>> Canada (which has been unrightfully scoffed after 9/11) and soon-to-be
>> partner Mexico [1]. The EU plus outlying partner areas; CH+EES++, China,
>> India; even Mercosur in South America is making this song&dance, even if
>> they are at par with Pre-EEC Europe at this time. China and India are
>> continents in their own right.
>>
>> The gloriously lacking parts are Africa and the Middle East; which are
>> locked down by repressive national governments and strict borders. (Yes,
there
>> are some hopeful areas; like the East African union etc. but they are
>> like Europe in the 1920s.) And the Pacific Rim are locked out of the
>> mainland, which is still a desirable state of affairs; but for how long?
>>
>> -- mrr
>>
>> [1] Trump has totally misidentified the current US immigrant problem.
>> Mexico is now at par with where the US was in GDP per person in 1962-1966
>> (depending on measurement) and is catching up reasonably rapidly. The
>> reason Mexicans now emigrate is high differences between rich and poor, and
>> insecurity because of the drug war. Both of these are pretty fixable with
>> efforts from MX(gini factor) and US(drug war). Mexico is also rapidly
>> becoming a production ground for US companies; to rival China for the
>> right products. The cash remittances between Mexican families now have
>> twentysomething percent going INTO the US, to support family members that
>> are sick and out of work there. This is new the last 5 years.
>>
>> The border that needs defending now is the one south of Mexico. For that,
>> the US must partner with Mexico. Like the US partnered with Canada up until
>> 8/11/01.
>
> When has Trump said anything against immigration from Mexico?  He has
> said quite a lot about ILLEGAL immigration and about MUSLIM immigration,
> but I don't recall him saying anything in particular against legal
> immigration from Mexico or anywhere else in the Western hemisphere.

Right.  And the comment about Muslim immigration had the word
temprorary in it because the vetting process is almost non-existant.
I've counted two news reports which included the word temporary; all
the other reports elided the word.

/BAH

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#157933

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-01-27 16:49 +0000
Message-ID<vy6qy.213176$qz7.77600@fx01.iad>
In reply to#157925
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:

>Right.  And the comment about Muslim immigration had the word
>temprorary in it because the vetting process is almost non-existant.

Actually, the vetting process is quite extensive.  You've been
listening to right-wrong talk radio again.

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#157941

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-27 12:05 -0600
Message-ID<n8b0nq$l60$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157925
On 27-Jan-16 09:42, jmfbahciv wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> When has Trump said anything against immigration from Mexico?  He
>> has said quite a lot about ILLEGAL immigration and about MUSLIM
>> immigration, but I don't recall him saying anything in particular
>> against legal immigration from Mexico or anywhere else in the
>> Western hemisphere.
> 
> Right.  And the comment about Muslim immigration had the word 
> temprorary in it because the vetting process is almost non-existant.

The "almost non-existent" refugee vetting process that requires _years_
of background checks and interviews?  Why would a terrorist pretend to
be a refugee (or other immigrant) and go through that when he can get a
tourist or student visa in _hours_?

As usual, not only do neocons have the wrong solution, they're not even
addressing the right problem.

> I've counted two news reports which included the word temporary; all 
> the other reports elided the word.

Neocons' "temporary" solutions have a long track record of becoming
permanent.  In reality, they _intended_ them to be permanent all along
but knew the public wouldn't accept them if presented that way.

In this case, they say they'll remove the "temporary" ban on Muslims
when the FBI can guarantee no terrorists will get through, but they know
full well the FBI will _never_ be able to give such a guarantee.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157856

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-26 17:41 -0600
Message-ID<n8902b$p94$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157733
On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>> On 25-Jan-16 12:48, Dave Garland wrote:
>>> To my mind, it's a good argument for the abolishing of borders,
>>> and ultimately nation-states. But that isn't going to happen
>>> anytime soon.
>> 
>> First you must understand why we evolved from tribes to city-states
>> to nation-states,
> 
> Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why) or 
> whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a 
> planetary-state.

A nation is (roughly) people who share the same language and culture;
creating a multinational state sounds great in theory but is incredibly
difficult in practice--unless the nations are united in resistance to a
common oppressor, which is obviously undesirable for other reasons.

The only alternative I see is merging the nations themselves, but then
you've just created a larger nation-state, not a multinational state.
That is the US and Canadian model, and it's worked pretty well for us
but mostly because, as a nation of immigrants ourselves, we've done a
decent job of integrating other immigrants than nations with a long
history, i.e. virtually all others on the planet.

> The EU appears to be heading in that direction, for once without
> using conquest as a mechanism.

I expect it'll be a long time, if ever, before all those nation-states
renounce their sovereignty and become mere political subdivisions of a
single multinational state.

Even the US and Canada, which are much more alike and have a much more
peaceful history, aren't likely to merge anytime soon.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157873

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-27 11:22 +1100
Message-ID<dgqgusF10nrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157856

"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message 
news:n8902b$p94$1@dont-email.me...
> On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>> On 25-Jan-16 12:48, Dave Garland wrote:
>>>> To my mind, it's a good argument for the abolishing of borders,
>>>> and ultimately nation-states. But that isn't going to happen
>>>> anytime soon.
>>>
>>> First you must understand why we evolved from tribes to city-states
>>> to nation-states,
>>
>> Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why) or
>> whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a
>> planetary-state.
>
> A nation is (roughly) people who share the same language and culture;
> creating a multinational state sounds great in theory but is incredibly
> difficult in practice--unless the nations are united in resistance to a
> common oppressor, which is obviously undesirable for other reasons.

Doesn’t explain the EU which is nothing like that.

> The only alternative I see is merging the nations themselves,

Fortunately the EU knows otherwise.

> but then you've just created a larger nation-state, not a multinational 
> state.

Yes.

> That is the US and Canadian model, and it's worked pretty well
> for us but mostly because, as a nation of immigrants ourselves,

Britain did essentially the same thing well before the
US and Canada did.  Germany did it rather later than
the US did, but before Canada and Australia did.
Germany wasn’t a nation of immigrants.

> we've done a decent job of integrating other immigrants than
> nations with a long history, i.e. virtually all others on the planet.

Germany was nothing like that.

>> The EU appears to be heading in that direction, for once without
>> using conquest as a mechanism.

> I expect it'll be a long time, if ever, before all those nation-states
> renounce their sovereignty and become mere political subdivisions of a
> single multinational state.

Sure, but they do appear to be headed in that direction.

> Even the US and Canada, which are much more alike and have a much more
> peaceful history, aren't likely to merge anytime soon.

True, but the EU is a lot further along that road. 

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#157898

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-01-26 22:53 -0600
Message-ID<n89ic1$b03$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157856
On 1/26/2016 5:41 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>> On 25-Jan-16 12:48, Dave Garland wrote:
>>>> To my mind, it's a good argument for the abolishing of borders,
>>>> and ultimately nation-states. But that isn't going to happen
>>>> anytime soon.
>>>
>>> First you must understand why we evolved from tribes to city-states
>>> to nation-states,
>>
>> Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why) or
>> whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a
>> planetary-state.
>
> A nation is (roughly) people who share the same language and culture;
> creating a multinational state sounds great in theory but is incredibly
> difficult in practice--unless the nations are united in resistance to a
> common oppressor, which is obviously undesirable for other reasons.

When I took PolySci, many years ago, it was defined as having 
geographic boundaries and police power.

Is Canada (including PQ) a nation? The US (including Puerto Rico)? 
Belgium? Switzerland? There seem to be a number of nations that don't 
have a common language, and sometimes not a common culture, either. 
Having a common language and culture makes it easier, is all.

>
> The only alternative I see is merging the nations themselves, but then
> you've just created a larger nation-state, not a multinational state.
> That is the US and Canadian model, and it's worked pretty well for us
> but mostly because, as a nation of immigrants ourselves, we've done a
> decent job of integrating other immigrants than nations with a long
> history, i.e. virtually all others on the planet.
>
>> The EU appears to be heading in that direction, for once without
>> using conquest as a mechanism.
>
> I expect it'll be a long time, if ever, before all those nation-states
> renounce their sovereignty and become mere political subdivisions of a
> single multinational state.
>
> Even the US and Canada, which are much more alike and have a much more
> peaceful history, aren't likely to merge anytime soon.
>
> S
>

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#157946

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-27 12:28 -0600
Message-ID<n8b238$s72$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157898
On 26-Jan-16 22:53, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 1/26/2016 5:41 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why)
>>> or whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a 
>>> planetary-state.
>> 
>> A nation is (roughly) people who share the same language and
>> culture; creating a multinational state sounds great in theory but
>> is incredibly difficult in practice--unless the nations are united
>> in resistance to a common oppressor, which is obviously undesirable
>> for other reasons.
> 
> When I took PolySci, many years ago, it was defined as having
> geographic boundaries and police power.

What is "it"?

That sounds more like the definition of a "state", sometimes called a
"country" in places where "state" has an idiosyncratic local meaning.

> Is Canada (including PQ) a nation?

Canada calls itself a multinational state because they recognize native
tribes as distinct nations.  The US did the same at first (and even
signed treaties with them), but Congress erased all that when it became
inconvenient.

> The US (including Puerto Rico)?

The US is a nation-state despite not having police power within most of
its political subdivisions, confusingly called "states".

> Belgium? Switzerland?

Those may qualify as multinational states, but AFAIK they (or at least
the dominant group) consider themselves nation-states.

> There seem to be a number of nations that don't have a common
> language, and sometimes not a common culture, either.

Then they're not nations.  You may be confusing "nation" with "state".

> Having a common language and culture makes it easier, is all.

That is why multinational states tend toward internal conflict and
eventually division, e.g. Yugoslavia.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157960

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-01-27 15:02 -0600
Message-ID<n8bb4c$8o6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157946
On 1/27/2016 12:28 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> On 26-Jan-16 22:53, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 1/26/2016 5:41 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>> On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why)
>>>> or whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a
>>>> planetary-state.
>>>
>>> A nation is (roughly) people who share the same language and
>>> culture; creating a multinational state sounds great in theory but
>>> is incredibly difficult in practice--unless the nations are united
>>> in resistance to a common oppressor, which is obviously undesirable
>>> for other reasons.
>>
>> When I took PolySci, many years ago, it was defined as having
>> geographic boundaries and police power.
>
> What is "it"?

Nation-state.

Within the broader context, "nation" doesn't seem to be a useful term 
to me. Is Islam a "nation"? It mostly shares a language and some 
culture. The "5 Eyes" (US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand)? 
Central America? Jews (especially before the 1930s, when many shared 
Yiddish as a language)?.

> That sounds more like the definition of a "state", sometimes called a
> "country" in places where "state" has an idiosyncratic local meaning.
>
>> Is Canada (including PQ) a nation?
>
> Canada calls itself a multinational state because they recognize native
> tribes as distinct nations.  The US did the same at first (and even
> signed treaties with them), but Congress erased all that when it became
> inconvenient.
>
>> The US (including Puerto Rico)?
>
> The US is a nation-state despite not having police power within most of
> its political subdivisions, confusingly called "states".

But note that the language of PR is Spanish.

I was avoiding the word "state" for that reason (so I'll call them 
"provinces" instead). The same as the phrase "police power" may call 
up images of the County Mountie, but is really far more general. The 
US govt does have police power within its political subdivisions (e.g. 
the FBI). The "provinces" also have police power. The two sets of 
police powers are not congruent, but do overlap.
>
>> Belgium? Switzerland?
>
> Those may qualify as multinational states, but AFAIK they (or at least
> the dominant group) consider themselves nation-states.

Even though they don't all speak the same language.  OTOH, Austria 
must be part of the "German nation"?

>> There seem to be a number of nations that don't have a common
>> language, and sometimes not a common culture, either.
>
> Then they're not nations.  You may be confusing "nation" with "state".
>
>> Having a common language and culture makes it easier, is all.
>
> That is why multinational states tend toward internal conflict and
> eventually division, e.g. Yugoslavia.
>
> S
>

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#157966

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-27 21:49 +0000
Message-ID<20160127214943.8f672e8e86f7eb627be17a4a@eircom.net>
In reply to#157960
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:02:26 -0600
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:

> Even though they don't all speak the same language.  OTOH, Austria 
> must be part of the "German nation"?

	Austrians I have met would disagree - strongly.

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#157993

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-01-28 00:26 +0100
Message-ID<s90onc-ue2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#157966
In article <20160127214943.8f672e8e86f7eb627be17a4a@eircom.net>,
Ahem A Rivet's Shot  <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:02:26 -0600
>Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> Even though they don't all speak the same language.  OTOH, Austria 
>> must be part of the "German nation"?
>
>	Austrians I have met would disagree - strongly.

Austrians not their own nation? No, not anytime soon. Like the
US and Canada, or US and Australia merging. They also talk the 
same language, right?

Austria was once the (dual) head of Austria-Hungary, until less
than 100 years ago. That was a multinational state. Austria alone
is a nation state.

-- mrr

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#158012

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-01-27 21:50 -0600
Message-ID<n8c30u$lqg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157993
On 1/27/2016 5:26 PM, Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <20160127214943.8f672e8e86f7eb627be17a4a@eircom.net>,
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot  <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:02:26 -0600
>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Even though they don't all speak the same language.  OTOH, Austria
>>> must be part of the "German nation"?
>>
>> 	Austrians I have met would disagree - strongly.
>
> Austrians not their own nation? No, not anytime soon. Like the
> US and Canada, or US and Australia merging. They also talk the
> same language, right?

Yes. I don't think "the same language and culture" is a good 
definition for "nation". By that standard, Mississippi and California 
aren't the same nation, nor Quebec and the rest of Canada. I suspect 
there isn't a good usable definition. For all practical purposes, 
these days "nation"=="nation-state".

> Austria was once the (dual) head of Austria-Hungary, until less
> than 100 years ago. That was a multinational state. Austria alone
> is a nation state.
>
> -- mrr
>

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#158420

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-31 19:47 -0600
Message-ID<n8mdb0$7qa$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#158012
On 27-Jan-16 21:50, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 1/27/2016 5:26 PM, Morten Reistad wrote:
>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>> Even though they don't all speak the same language.  OTOH,
>>>> Austria must be part of the "German nation"?
>> 
>> Austrians not their own nation? No, not anytime soon. Like the US
>> and Canada, or US and Australia merging. They also talk the same
>> language, right?
> 
> Yes. I don't think "the same language and culture" is a good
> definition for "nation".

That's why I said "roughly"; it's enough to convey the general idea, but
it wasn't meant to cover the details you need for edge cases.

> By that standard, Mississippi and California aren't the same nation,

They would probably agree; however, the range of culture within each
overlaps to a high enough degree that you can't really separate them,
plus the same is true of everywhere between them such that there's
nowhere logical to put a national border.

At worst, you could call the US a multinational state, but that goes
against the American "Melting Pot" mythos.

> nor Quebec and the rest of Canada.

Canada calls itself a multinational state.

> I suspect there isn't a good usable definition.

I'm sure the poli-sci folks have one.

> For all practical purposes, these days "nation"=="nation-state".

I'm sure the Kurds, which qualify as a nation by all measures, would be
happy to learn that they've become a nation-state independent of Iraq,
Iran, Syria and Turkey.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#158051

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-01-28 13:17 -0800
Message-ID<m81lab9e35t3impd4cemj3tqe5kgskaft7@4ax.com>
In reply to#157993
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 00:26:20 +0100, Morten Reistad
<first@last.name.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

>Austrians not their own nation? No, not anytime soon. Like the
>US and Canada, or US and Australia merging. They also talk the 
>same language, right?

     Sort of.  English, yes, but I had a few adjustments to make when
I was living there (and quite close to the Canadian border).

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#157995

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-01-27 17:34 -0600
Message-ID<n8bk30$f4f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157966
On 1/27/2016 3:49 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:02:26 -0600
> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> Even though they don't all speak the same language.  OTOH, Austria
>> must be part of the "German nation"?
>
> 	Austrians I have met would disagree - strongly.
>
True, it didn't work out very well when it was tried.

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#158415

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-31 19:39 -0600
Message-ID<n8mcrl$6io$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157960
On 27-Jan-16 15:02, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 1/27/2016 12:28 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> On 26-Jan-16 22:53, Dave Garland wrote:
>>> When I took PolySci, many years ago, it was defined as having 
>>> geographic boundaries and police power.
>> 
>> What is "it"?
> 
> Nation-state.

That's obviously wrong since the same definition applies just as much to
city-states and multinational states as nation-states.

Such distinctions become important when trying to understand border
conflicts and civil wars, e.g. the leading proposals for Israel and
Palestine being one [multinational] state vs two [nation-]states.

> Within the broader context, "nation" doesn't seem to be a useful term
> to me. Is Islam a "nation"? It mostly shares a language and some
> culture.

Muslims speak numerous languages, and even the "shared" religious part
of their culture has serious divisions, e.g. Shia vs Sunni.  You can't
lump Turks, Kurds, Aghans, Somalis, Saudis, Qataris, etc. together.

The fact we even have _names_ for each of those groups is a strong
indicator that they're different nations.

> The "5 Eyes" (US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand)?

A shared language is not sufficient, though it does mean there's more
cultural exchange than between nations with different languages.

> Central America?

Likewise.  They might be candidates for a multinational state, as would
South America (maybe minus Brazil), but I don't think their culture is
homogeneous enough to make a nation-state.

> Jews (especially before the 1930s, when many shared Yiddish as a
> language)?.

I don't know enough to answer that one.

>>> The US (including Puerto Rico)?
>> 
>> The US is a nation-state despite not having police power within
>> most of its political subdivisions, confusingly called "states".
> 
> But note that the language of PR is Spanish.

Yes, PR (and other territories) have an odd status.  IMHO, PR should
either vote for statehood or be kicked out; unfortunately, the GOP
doesn't want them to be a state because it'd tip the balance in the
Senate and Electoral College, so they would simply block it.

> I was avoiding the word "state" for that reason (so I'll call them 
> "provinces" instead). The same as the phrase "police power" may call
> up images of the County Mountie, but is really far more general. The
> US govt does have police power within its political subdivisions
> (e.g. the FBI). The "provinces" also have police power. The two sets
> of police powers are not congruent, but do overlap.

"Police power" is a legal term of art that means general lawmaking
capacity, in contrast with "enumerated power".

If you meant law enforcement agencies/officers, then yes, of course.

>>> Belgium? Switzerland?
>> 
>> Those may qualify as multinational states, but AFAIK they (or at
>> least the dominant group) consider themselves nation-states.
> 
> Even though they don't all speak the same language.  OTOH, Austria
> must be part of the "German nation"?

Again, a shared language is not sufficient.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
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#157985

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-01-28 00:12 +0100
Message-ID<5fvnnc-ua2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#157898
In article <n8b238$s72$1@dont-email.me>,
Stephen Sprunk  <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>On 26-Jan-16 22:53, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 1/26/2016 5:41 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>> On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why)
>>>> or whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a 
>>>> planetary-state.
>>> 
>>> A nation is (roughly) people who share the same language and
>>> culture; creating a multinational state sounds great in theory but
>>> is incredibly difficult in practice--unless the nations are united
>>> in resistance to a common oppressor, which is obviously undesirable
>>> for other reasons.
>> 
>> When I took PolySci, many years ago, it was defined as having
>> geographic boundaries and police power.
>
>What is "it"?
>
>That sounds more like the definition of a "state", sometimes called a
>"country" in places where "state" has an idiosyncratic local meaning.
>
>> Is Canada (including PQ) a nation?
>
>Canada calls itself a multinational state because they recognize native
>tribes as distinct nations.  The US did the same at first (and even
>signed treaties with them), but Congress erased all that when it became
>inconvenient.
>
>> The US (including Puerto Rico)?
>
>The US is a nation-state despite not having police power within most of
>its political subdivisions, confusingly called "states".
>
>> Belgium? Switzerland?
>
>Those may qualify as multinational states, but AFAIK they (or at least
>the dominant group) consider themselves nation-states.

Belguim and Switzerland are very different in this respect. Belgium
is a multinational state; but Switzerland is very much a nation state.

Both are generally fluent in multiple languages. You can hear two
persons in the street taking for hours, each in their language and
being perfectly understood. They can also change language mid-sentence
without skipping a beat.

>> There seem to be a number of nations that don't have a common
>> language, and sometimes not a common culture, either.
>
>Then they're not nations.  You may be confusing "nation" with "state".
>
>> Having a common language and culture makes it easier, is all.
>
>That is why multinational states tend toward internal conflict and
>eventually division, e.g. Yugoslavia.

Counter example; Indonesia. Very much a nation state, perhaps
not yet in Irian Jaya; but otherwise they keep the Bahasa Indonesia
as their national language, and talk half a hundred local languages
in the families.

The strife that has been has been political and religious complaints, 
not secession.

-- mrr

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#158000

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-28 11:51 +1100
Message-ID<dgt711Fln7sU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157985

"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5fvnnc-ua2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
> In article <n8b238$s72$1@dont-email.me>,
> Stephen Sprunk  <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>On 26-Jan-16 22:53, Dave Garland wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2016 5:41 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>>> On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>> Then you must ask whether we are stopping there (and if so why)
>>>>> or whether we go on to ever larger units until we wind up with a
>>>>> planetary-state.
>>>>
>>>> A nation is (roughly) people who share the same language and
>>>> culture; creating a multinational state sounds great in theory but
>>>> is incredibly difficult in practice--unless the nations are united
>>>> in resistance to a common oppressor, which is obviously undesirable
>>>> for other reasons.
>>>
>>> When I took PolySci, many years ago, it was defined as having
>>> geographic boundaries and police power.
>>
>>What is "it"?
>>
>>That sounds more like the definition of a "state", sometimes called a
>>"country" in places where "state" has an idiosyncratic local meaning.
>>
>>> Is Canada (including PQ) a nation?
>>
>>Canada calls itself a multinational state because they recognize native
>>tribes as distinct nations.  The US did the same at first (and even
>>signed treaties with them), but Congress erased all that when it became
>>inconvenient.
>>
>>> The US (including Puerto Rico)?
>>
>>The US is a nation-state despite not having police power within most of
>>its political subdivisions, confusingly called "states".
>>
>>> Belgium? Switzerland?
>>
>>Those may qualify as multinational states, but AFAIK they (or at least
>>the dominant group) consider themselves nation-states.
>
> Belguim and Switzerland are very different in this respect. Belgium
> is a multinational state; but Switzerland is very much a nation state.
>
> Both are generally fluent in multiple languages. You can hear two
> persons in the street taking for hours, each in their language and
> being perfectly understood. They can also change language mid-sentence
> without skipping a beat.
>
>>> There seem to be a number of nations that don't have a common
>>> language, and sometimes not a common culture, either.
>>
>>Then they're not nations.  You may be confusing "nation" with "state".
>>
>>> Having a common language and culture makes it easier, is all.
>>
>>That is why multinational states tend toward internal conflict and
>>eventually division, e.g. Yugoslavia.
>
> Counter example; Indonesia. Very much a nation state, perhaps
> not yet in Irian Jaya; but otherwise they keep the Bahasa Indonesia
> as their national language, and talk half a hundred local languages
> in the families.

China too. And PNG in spades.

> The strife that has been has been political and religious complaints,
> not secession.
 

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#157901

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-27 06:08 +0000
Message-ID<20160127060824.813aeb1efcdbe248826e6f9d@eircom.net>
In reply to#157856
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:41:38 -0600
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:

> On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> > The EU appears to be heading in that direction, for once without
> > using conquest as a mechanism.
> 
> I expect it'll be a long time, if ever, before all those nation-states
> renounce their sovereignty and become mere political subdivisions of a
> single multinational state.

	Agreed, the whole process is two steps forwards and one back (when
it goes well) and there is a lot of resistance to each step forwards. But
it has gone a long way in that direction since Europe was a war zone. Each
generation is a little less resistant, or so it seems.

> Even the US and Canada, which are much more alike and have a much more
> peaceful history, aren't likely to merge anytime soon.

	They don't share a common currency, which was one EU step that
amazed me.

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#157908

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-27 06:07 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.31126ef180d55632989ebf@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#157901
In article <20160127060824.813aeb1efcdbe248826e6f9d@eircom.net>, 
steveo@eircom.net says...
> 
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:41:38 -0600
> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 26-Jan-16 03:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> 
> > > The EU appears to be heading in that direction, for once without
> > > using conquest as a mechanism.
> > 
> > I expect it'll be a long time, if ever, before all those nation-states
> > renounce their sovereignty and become mere political subdivisions of a
> > single multinational state.
> 
> 	Agreed, the whole process is two steps forwards and one back (when
> it goes well) and there is a lot of resistance to each step forwards. But
> it has gone a long way in that direction since Europe was a war zone. Each
> generation is a little less resistant, or so it seems.

I'm waiting for the day that the Germans realize that they are buying 
all their electric power from France and decided to stop paying for it 
and go take it by force instead.  Don't assume that the EU is long-term 
stable.
 
> > Even the US and Canada, which are much more alike and have a much more
> > peaceful history, aren't likely to merge anytime soon.
> 
> 	They don't share a common currency, which was one EU step that
> amazed me.

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