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| Started by | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| First post | 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-01-14 14:02 +0000 |
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Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 16:32 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 13:40 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-01-13 17:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 17:11 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-13 16:10 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-13 14:23 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 18:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-13 17:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 08:03 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:07 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:11 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-01-14 08:27 -0700
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:26 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-16 16:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-15 16:50 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:38 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:15 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 14:00 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:53 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:11 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-16 08:41 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 09:10 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 07:46 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:15 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 15:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:51 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:15 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 22:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:03 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:24 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:31 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:50 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 17:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:36 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:20 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:09 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:27 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:11 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:56 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:35 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:35 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:45 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:13 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:40 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:27 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 12:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 10:56 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 19:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 11:22 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 20:00 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 12:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:07 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-22 14:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:11 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 11:27 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:14 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:47 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 14:04 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:38 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-21 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:15 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:47 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:54 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:52 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:46 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 17:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-23 18:50 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:25 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:44 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 16:54 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:01 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-24 15:07 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 10:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-24 11:21 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 11:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 20:23 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 14:21 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 04:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:34 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:19 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:57 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:54 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 13:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:09 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 00:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 17:40 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 07:19 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 19:18 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:19 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:09 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-25 14:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 11:22 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:04 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 09:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 19:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 19:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 20:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 06:42 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:23 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 21:42 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-27 08:27 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:56 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 16:05 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 14:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:10 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 23:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 00:54 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:02 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:30 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 18:17 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-17 08:18 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:21 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:51 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-20 17:13 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:11 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:10 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:35 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:40 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:02 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:42 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 13:29 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-22 21:09 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:16 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 18:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:49 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:24 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 18:13 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 10:35 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-18 12:33 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 08:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 19:56 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:12 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 00:07 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:06 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 15:47 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:11 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:15 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 07:03 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:34 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:59 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:19 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:16 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 11:41 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:07 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 04:53 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:16 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:46 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 15:01 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:17 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:22 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:52 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:46 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:33 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:01 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:23 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:37 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:34 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:42 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:54 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:09 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:26 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:52 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:50 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:58 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:26 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 10:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:41 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-23 05:06 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:29 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 08:53 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 10:22 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 09:58 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:38 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:42 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 20:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:20 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 04:18 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 18:51 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:41 -0400
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-18 23:58 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:27 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 14:38 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:57 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 16:46 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:50 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 21:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:53 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-19 22:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:26 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:31 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:27 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 17:54 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:01 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 11:01 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 11:19 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:30 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:32 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 19:06 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:57 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:40 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:05 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 21:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:57 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:17 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:27 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-19 23:24 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:10 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 08:15 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:42 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:40 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:36 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 20:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 08:18 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:21 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:15 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 17:44 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 19:08 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:07 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:56 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:30 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:13 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 14:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2016-01-21 17:05 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 12:18 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 10:42 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 06:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-16 11:39 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 07:23 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:09 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-14 11:02 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 11:56 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 18:57 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 16:08 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:41 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-15 15:43 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:06 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 07:04 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2016-01-14 16:00 -0900
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:05 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:04 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:17 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:57 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:53 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:01 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 21:17 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 18:08 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 21:25 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 07:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 18:46 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 10:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 20:00 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-14 00:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:30 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-14 01:35 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:02 +0000
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 00:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7kjm6$1e9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #156948 |
On 1/18/2016 8:12 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > In article <n7k4vc$jt1$1@dont-email.me>, dave.garland@wizinfo.com > says... >> >> On 1/18/2016 6:41 PM, jack wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >>> news:n7jp1q$rrj$2@dont-email.me... >>>> On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>>> See.above@aol.com >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> had ink pots. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >>>>>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >>>>> >>>>> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >>>>> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >>>>> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >>>>> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >>>>> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >>>>> gave up edicting bomb drills. >>>>> >>>>> These days, kids have terrorism drills. >>>> >>>> On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something >>>> happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep >>>> people (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to >>>> manipulate. >>> >>> There isnt any evidence of their parents being manipulated by those >>> drills. >> >> We are swamped by references to the terrorist "threat" (never mind >> that your chances of getting hurt falling down stairs are far more >> likely, they ignore my pleas to ban stairs). Colored alerts, signs >> flashing "IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING", metal detectors, >> special ID to board aircraft (and secret lists of names to prevent >> boarding aircraft), NSA sweeps of our (and your) phone data, >> photographing (the outside, at least) of your mail, security personnel >> confronting people taking pictures, police driving armored vehicles. >> Terrorist drills in schools are just one tiny part. At the lower >> levels (say, school administrator) they're fearful, they're impacted >> by the same things that the rest of us are. >> >> It's not those drills by themselves, they're part of a larger >> constellation. >> >> Fear of "the other" is a technique for manipulating populations that's >> thousands of year old, probably back to the week after men figured out >> how to communicate with each other. If you don't think some of those >> driving it are doing so intentionally, Rod, you have a far more >> generous and trusting view of the ethics of politicians and policemen >> than I do. > > When I was in middle school there was a required course, "Americanism vs > Communism". I never expected that the government would use the > description of Communism provided in the text for that course as an idea > book. The concepts are orthagonal, one is nationalism and the other is a political/economic philosophy. Though I guess it was a political philosophy that opposed nationalism in general. They thankfully didn't have that course in my state (though we did sit through a few of the 16mm movies about the creeping red peril) or I probably would have gotten into trouble (like when my American History teacher said that the US had never broken a treaty, and I asked about the Native Americans). But when I was a kid in the '50s, I was told that the difference between the USSR and America was that there, you had to show your papers to travel, and they listened to your phone calls. (Of course, that was an overly simplified version of the differences, and there were real differences.) Now, we can see that it was just that the USSR was 50 years ahead of its time. > I'm glad I took the course, even though it was blatant propaganda. It > makes what the government is up to these days absolutely chilling. I'm > kind of glad I'm approaching geezerhood and won't likely be around when > it all comes to fruition, but I pity the kids. Yeah. Most of whom don't seem to have a clue, or care, that the data collected will be used against them. Of course, it's not just the government, corporations are doing it too. > > Still, I know people who grew up in the Soviet Union or its satellites > and in China and they tell me that it was (or in the case of China is) > not nearly as unpleasant as it is made out to be, mostly because it was > what they were used to. And because propaganda here made it seem much worse than it really was. Both sides did that. It's important to compare their situation to what Russia and China were like _before_ Communism. Russia was feudal, and China was... dunno what the right term is, run by warlords. And to remember that later there were Russians who (because of their disenchantment with that state) were convinced that the streets in the US were paved with gold, only to find out that _some_ of the derogatory things they'd been taught were true. Much the same as the American leftists who migrated to the USSR found out that it wasn't much of a workers' paradise, either.
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 14:06 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg5nioFoglmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156946 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:n7k4vc$jt1$1@dont-email.me... > On 1/18/2016 6:41 PM, jack wrote: >> >> >> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >> news:n7jp1q$rrj$2@dont-email.me... >>> On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>> See.above@aol.com >>>>> says... >>>>>> >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood >>>>>> and >>>>>> had ink pots. >>>>> >>>>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >>>>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >>>> >>>> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >>>> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >>>> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >>>> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >>>> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >>>> gave up edicting bomb drills. >>>> >>>> These days, kids have terrorism drills. >>> >>> On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something >>> happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep >>> people (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to >>> manipulate. >> >> There isnt any evidence of their parents being manipulated by those >> drills. > > We are swamped by references to the terrorist "threat" Sure, but that isnt being done to manipulate the parents. (never mind > that your chances of getting hurt falling down stairs are far more likely, > they ignore my pleas to ban stairs). Colored alerts, signs flashing "IF > YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING", metal detectors, special ID to board > aircraft (and secret lists of names to prevent boarding aircraft), NSA > sweeps of our (and your) phone data, photographing (the outside, at least) > of your mail, security personnel confronting people taking pictures, > police driving armored vehicles. Those have nothing to do with the drills in schools. > Terrorist drills in schools are just one tiny part. At the lower levels > (say, school administrator) they're fearful, they're impacted by the same > things that the rest of us are. Yes, but the drills aren't there so the parents can be manipulated. > It's not those drills by themselves, they're part of a larger > constellation. > > Fear of "the other" is a technique for manipulating populations that's > thousands of year old, probably back to the week after men figured out how > to communicate with each other. Yes, but that isn't what the drills in schools are about. > If you don't think some of those driving it are doing so intentionally, > Rod, you have a far more generous and trusting view of the ethics of > politicians and policemen than I do. I'm not into conspiracy theorys. The terrorist drills are in fact due to stuff like Columbine etc and the Boston Marathon bombing, nothing to do with manipulating parents.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <222104111.474898539.753203.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156932 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >> J. Clarke wrote: >>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>> says... >>>> >> >> <snip> >> >>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>>> had ink pots. >>> >>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >> >> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >> gave up edicting bomb drills. >> >> These days, kids have terrorism drills. > > On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something > happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep people > (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to manipulate. > > They have the teachers block the window in the inside door and lock the door. The kids hide against a wall out of view. Probably works for most "lone wolf" terrorists, since they don't have time to waste breaking down doors and go off in search of easier targets. -- Pete
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM000529AFB7C3589C@aca20219.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #156991 |
Peter Flass wrote: > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> J. Clarke wrote: >>>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>>>> had ink pots. >>>> >>>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >>>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >>> >>> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >>> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >>> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >>> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >>> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >>> gave up edicting bomb drills. >>> >>> These days, kids have terrorism drills. >> >> On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something >> happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep people >> (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to manipulate. >> >> > > They have the teachers block the window in the inside door and lock the > door. The kids hide against a wall out of view. Probably works for most > "lone wolf" terrorists, since they don't have time to waste breaking down > doors and go off in search of easier targets. I also heard about distraction techniques. It gives the kids something to do so they won't be feeling helpless the rest of the time. /BAH >
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 15:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1601191547010.29952@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #156991 |
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, Peter Flass wrote: > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> J. Clarke wrote: >>>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>>>> had ink pots. >>>> >>>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >>>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >>> >>> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >>> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >>> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >>> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >>> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >>> gave up edicting bomb drills. >>> >>> These days, kids have terrorism drills. >> >> On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something >> happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep people >> (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to manipulate. >> >> > > They have the teachers block the window in the inside door and lock the > door. The kids hide against a wall out of view. Probably works for most > "lone wolf" terrorists, since they don't have time to waste breaking down > doors and go off in search of easier targets. > Forget about terrorists, that's become a fairly everyday situation. SOme guy takes a gun or two to school (or some other institution), for some personal reason and starts shooting. Michael
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-21 08:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <132d9c55-cc11-4feb-b62d-0de8f621a673@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #157040 |
On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 3:43:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Black wrote: > Forget about terrorists, that's become a fairly everyday situation. SOme > guy takes a gun or two to school (or some other institution), for some > personal reason and starts shooting. Sadly, schools and other organizations have taken steps to add security and minimize the damage of such attacks. Lots of schools have kids pass through metal detectors. Years ago, City Halls used to be wide open and anyone could walk in and wander around. There were chairs on the perimeter or rear of the council chamber. Now, they have metal detectors and security, and bullet-proof glass separating the audience from council.
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 20:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <q08r9blcsgh6b2lmegghbak25096rkf2rh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #156828 |
On 17 Jan 2016 15:26:02 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Peter Flass wrote: >> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >>> steveo@eircom.net says... >>>> >>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >>>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >>>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >>>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >>>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >>>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read >>>>>>>> the same book you did. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >>>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >>>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >>>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >>>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>> ROF,L. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were supposed >>>>>> to hide under. >>>>> >>>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >>>>> >>>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >>>>>> about as much protection. >>>>> >>>>> Nope. >>>> >>>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >>>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one of a >>>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that would >>>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving in >a >>>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of uninhabitable >>>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The fictional >>>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >>>> optimistic. >>> >>> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, >>> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >>> >>> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >>> >> >> The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely in >> the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado drills, >> although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. > >We also had tornado drills and fire drills. > >Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >had ink pots. > >/BAH Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, at leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack. -- JimP.
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 14:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg5nqjFoi9mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156952 |
"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message news:q08r9blcsgh6b2lmegghbak25096rkf2rh@4ax.com... > On 17 Jan 2016 15:26:02 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >>Peter Flass wrote: >>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >>>> steveo@eircom.net says... >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >>>>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >>>>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >>>>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >>>>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read >>>>>>>>> the same book you did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >>>>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >>>>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >>>>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >>>>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ROF,L. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were >>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>> to hide under. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >>>>>>> about as much protection. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope. >>>>> >>>>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >>>>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one >>>>> of a >>>>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that >>>>> would >>>>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving >>>>> in >>a >>>>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of >>>>> uninhabitable >>>>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The >>>>> fictional >>>>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >>>>> optimistic. >>>> >>>> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us >>>> anyway, >>>> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >>>> >>>> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >>>> >>> >>> The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely >>> in >>> the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado >>> drills, >>> although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. >> >>We also had tornado drills and fire drills. >> >>Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>had ink pots. > Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, Not the wood inside buildings. at > leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the > 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack. Getting under them would avoid the worst of the flash burns and they would provided significant protection against falling debris if you want the kids to stay in the room.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 10:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <3eb1nc-s8a.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #156956 |
In article <dg5nqjFoi9mU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > > >"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:q08r9blcsgh6b2lmegghbak25096rkf2rh@4ax.com... >> On 17 Jan 2016 15:26:02 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>Peter Flass wrote: >>>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >>>>> steveo@eircom.net says... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >>>>>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >>>>>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read >>>>>>>>>> the same book you did. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >>>>>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >>>>>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >>>>>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >>>>>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ROF,L. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were >>>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>>> to hide under. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >>>>>>>> about as much protection. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >>>>>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one >>>>>> of a >>>>>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that >>>>>> would >>>>>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving >>>>>> in >>>a >>>>>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of >>>>>> uninhabitable >>>>>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The >>>>>> fictional >>>>>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >>>>>> optimistic. >>>>> >>>>> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us >>>>> anyway, >>>>> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >>>>> >>>>> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely >>>> in >>>> the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado >>>> drills, >>>> although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. >>> >>>We also had tornado drills and fire drills. >>> >>>Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>>had ink pots. > >> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, > >Not the wood inside buildings. > >at >> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the >> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack. > >Getting under them would avoid the worst of the flash burns >and they would provided significant protection against falling >debris if you want the kids to stay in the room. If you are near the epicentre you are SOL anyway. But the energy tapers off with the square of the distance, so a few tens of miles away you would need to avoid getting flash burns and having the blast front go past without injuring you. Both of these could be helped quite well by some simple cardboard between you and the line of sight; and the debris zones from the blast front. Further out this would be almost horizontal, so you would see roofs getting blown off and front walls smashed, but the rear walls somewhat intact. Being inside, low and below some protective stuff like a desk could help pretty well. -- mrr
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 20:41 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg6emtFtq8qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156979 |
"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message news:3eb1nc-s8a.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... > In article <dg5nqjFoi9mU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> > wrote: >> >> >>"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:q08r9blcsgh6b2lmegghbak25096rkf2rh@4ax.com... >>> On 17 Jan 2016 15:26:02 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Peter Flass wrote: >>>>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >>>>>> steveo@eircom.net says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >>>>>>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have >>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>> the same book you did. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >>>>>>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >>>>>>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >>>>>>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >>>>>>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ROF,L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were >>>>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>>>> to hide under. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >>>>>>>>> about as much protection. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nope. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >>>>>>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one >>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been >>>>>>> surviving >>>>>>> in >>>>a >>>>>>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of >>>>>>> uninhabitable >>>>>>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The >>>>>>> fictional >>>>>>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >>>>>>> optimistic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us >>>>>> anyway, >>>>>> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly >>>>> unlikely >>>>> in >>>>> the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado >>>>> drills, >>>>> although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. >>>> >>>>We also had tornado drills and fire drills. >>>> >>>>Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>>>had ink pots. >> >>> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, >> >>Not the wood inside buildings. >> >>at >>> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the >>> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack. >> >>Getting under them would avoid the worst of the flash burns >>and they would provided significant protection against falling >>debris if you want the kids to stay in the room. > > If you are near the epicentre you are SOL anyway. That isnt what happened with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. > But the energy tapers off with the square of the distance, so a few > tens of miles away you would need to avoid getting flash burns > and having the blast front go past without injuring you. So duck and cover is better than doing nothing. > Both of these could be helped quite well by some simple > cardboard between you and the line of sight; Or a desk. > and the debris zones from the blast front. Further out this would > be almost horizontal, so you would see roofs getting blown off > and front walls smashed, but the rear walls somewhat intact. Depends on the construction of the walls. > Being inside, low and below some protective stuff like a desk > could help pretty well. Precisely.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 07:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3107f02d9104513a989e44@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156979 |
In article <3eb1nc-s8a.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>, first@last.name.invalid says... > > In article <dg5nqjFoi9mU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > > > > > >"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:q08r9blcsgh6b2lmegghbak25096rkf2rh@4ax.com... > >> On 17 Jan 2016 15:26:02 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >>>Peter Flass wrote: > >>>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, > >>>>> steveo@eircom.net says... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 > >>>>>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... > >>>>>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > >>>>>>>> says... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... > >>>>>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > >>>>>>>>>> says... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... > >>>>>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, > >>>>>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com > >>>>>>>>>>>> says... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be > >>>>>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read > >>>>>>>>>> the same book you did. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima > >>>>>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to > >>>>>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they > >>>>>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their > >>>>>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ROF,L. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were > >>>>>>>> supposed > >>>>>>>> to hide under. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given > >>>>>>>> about as much protection. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Nope. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure > >>>>>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one > >>>>>> of a > >>>>>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that > >>>>>> would > >>>>>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving > >>>>>> in > >>>a > >>>>>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of > >>>>>> uninhabitable > >>>>>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The > >>>>>> fictional > >>>>>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably > >>>>>> optimistic. > >>>>> > >>>>> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us > >>>>> anyway, > >>>>> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. > >>>>> > >>>>> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely > >>>> in > >>>> the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado > >>>> drills, > >>>> although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. > >>> > >>>We also had tornado drills and fire drills. > >>> > >>>Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and > >>>had ink pots. > > > >> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, > > > >Not the wood inside buildings. > > > >at > >> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the > >> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack. > > > >Getting under them would avoid the worst of the flash burns > >and they would provided significant protection against falling > >debris if you want the kids to stay in the room. > > If you are near the epicentre you are SOL anyway. > > But the energy tapers off with the square of the distance, so a few > tens of miles away you would need to avoid getting flash burns and > having the blast front go past without injuring you. > > Both of these could be helped quite well by some simple > cardboard between you and the line of sight; and the debris zones > from the blast front. Further out this would be almost horizontal, > so you would see roofs getting blown off and front walls smashed, > but the rear walls somewhat intact. > > Being inside, low and below some protective stuff like a desk > could help pretty well. In the schools where I experienced such drills there was a glass wall on the side facing the most likely target. Personally I think in those schools we would have been better off to troop outside and put a concrete wall between us and that glass. Of course if they missed north by 15 miles or so that strategy would fail. > > -- mrr
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 10:34 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <qlos9bdc8hehedibr8eml0qt20f46dbakh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #156979 |
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:15:15 +0100, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >In article <dg5nqjFoi9mU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >> >> >>"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:q08r9blcsgh6b2lmegghbak25096rkf2rh@4ax.com... >>> On 17 Jan 2016 15:26:02 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Peter Flass wrote: >>>>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >>>>>> steveo@eircom.net says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >>>>>>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read >>>>>>>>>>> the same book you did. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >>>>>>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >>>>>>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >>>>>>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >>>>>>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ROF,L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were >>>>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>>>> to hide under. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >>>>>>>>> about as much protection. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nope. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >>>>>>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one >>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving >>>>>>> in >>>>a >>>>>>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of >>>>>>> uninhabitable >>>>>>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The >>>>>>> fictional >>>>>>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >>>>>>> optimistic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us >>>>>> anyway, >>>>>> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely >>>>> in >>>>> the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado >>>>> drills, >>>>> although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. >>>> >>>>We also had tornado drills and fire drills. >>>> >>>>Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>>>had ink pots. >> >>> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, >> >>Not the wood inside buildings. >> >>at >>> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the >>> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack. >> >>Getting under them would avoid the worst of the flash burns >>and they would provided significant protection against falling >>debris if you want the kids to stay in the room. > >If you are near the epicentre you are SOL anyway. > >But the energy tapers off with the square of the distance, so a few >tens of miles away you would need to avoid getting flash burns and >having the blast front go past without injuring you. I grew up down wind of an Army base. We felt that a miss aimed at that base would get us. There were 2 families in town who built fallout shelters in their backyards. Most people knew who built one. Parts of the town were in a small valley... well, not what I would call deep. But it is possible that a shock wave wouldn't hit all of the town. There were claims at the time where public officials claimed they had seen tornadoes go overhead. >Both of these could be helped quite well by some simple >cardboard between you and the line of sight; and the debris zones >from the blast front. Further out this would be almost horizontal, >so you would see roofs getting blown off and front walls smashed, >but the rear walls somewhat intact. > >Being inside, low and below some protective stuff like a desk >could help pretty well. The windows in our classrooms were about 3 feet above the floor. The walls were a brick facade over concrete with rebar. The windows were sectioned off both horizontally and vertically. But it was a huge expanse of glass. The botom and top part of each window could be opened outward. There was a wooden pole that could reach up and be used with a hook end to move the lever holding the window closed and then push it open of pull it closed. I think the ceilings were about 8-9 feet, the windows covered about 5-6 feet of that. My mother went to schools that were 2-4 floors in the 1940s. Except for the high school, those were being torn down and replaced in the 1950s. All of the elementary schools went to one floor in the 1950s and the junior high was new and one floor in the 1950s. The high school was in an old 3 story building left over from the 1940s. It had a 4th floor but no classes were held in there. Lots of rumors like pet bats of the Principle, etc. but we figured it was just used for storage. -- JimP.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 07:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <keWdnXYUq7RKcQDLnZ2dnUU78WUAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #156952 |
On 19/01/2016 02:32, JimP wrote:
{snip}
>
> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, at
> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the
> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack.
>
The flash is over before even paper burns through.
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 10:19 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <reos9bl2slpsbggv070quj1e5to81gnf77@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #156976 |
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:59:21 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On 19/01/2016 02:32, JimP wrote:
>{snip}
>
>>
>> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, at
>> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the
>> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack.
>>
>The flash is over before even paper burns through.
I saw the B&W test films on tv of atmoic blasts. Trees and buildings
swaying in the shock wave, then they catch fire.
--
JimP.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 19:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31089bcdac0510c6989e4d@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #157011 |
In article <reos9bl2slpsbggv070quj1e5to81gnf77@4ax.com>, solosam90
@gmail.com says...
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:59:21 +0000, Andrew Swallow
> <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >On 19/01/2016 02:32, JimP wrote:
> >{snip}
> >
> >>
> >> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, at
> >> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the
> >> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack.
> >>
> >The flash is over before even paper burns through.
>
> I saw the B&W test films on tv of atmoic blasts. Trees and buildings
> swaying in the shock wave, then they catch fire.
You've got the sequence backwards. The flash travels far more rapidly
than the shock wave. Here's the test <https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=WDp9HsmbAgk>. The Soviets might have had their own version, if so I
can't find it.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-20 06:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <_aidnQWMia_WugLLnZ2dnUU78LudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #157011 |
On 19/01/2016 16:19, JimP wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:59:21 +0000, Andrew Swallow
> <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 19/01/2016 02:32, JimP wrote:
>> {snip}
>>
>>>
>>> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, at
>>> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the
>>> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack.
>>>
>> The flash is over before even paper burns through.
>
> I saw the B&W test films on tv of atmoic blasts. Trees and buildings
> swaying in the shock wave, then they catch fire.
>
The explosion is over by then. You get up from under your desk and walk
away.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-20 11:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn9usi7.195.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #157127 |
On 2016-01-20, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 19/01/2016 16:19, JimP wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:59:21 +0000, Andrew Swallow
>> <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On 19/01/2016 02:32, JimP wrote:
>>> {snip}
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, at
>>>> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the
>>>> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack.
>>>>
>>> The flash is over before even paper burns through.
>>
>> I saw the B&W test films on tv of atmoic blasts. Trees and buildings
>> swaying in the shock wave, then they catch fire.
>>
> The explosion is over by then. You get up from under your desk and walk
> away.
V2 rockets arrived unannounced. Bang, you are dead. Sound of rocket
reentering the athmosphere arrived later. It would be the same with
a nuclear armed rocket, the most practical means of delivery from
Russia to the US. I once stood at the bottom of the Washington Monument,
aand wondered how many weapons were targeted at that point.
--
greymaus
.
.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-20 12:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160120120730.c4f740403fe458d089cbccd6@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #157144 |
On 20 Jan 2016 11:41:00 GMT mausg@mail.com wrote: > V2 rockets arrived unannounced. Bang, you are dead. Sound of rocket > reentering the athmosphere arrived later. It would be the same with > a nuclear armed rocket, the most practical means of delivery from > Russia to the US. I once stood at the bottom of the Washington Monument, > aand wondered how many weapons were targeted at that point. In the 1960s we were told of the four minute warning (between radar detection and impact), later that became a twenty minute warning. In either case the old air raid warning sirens would be going off. Blissful ignorance before instant death was not going to be an option. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-21 04:53 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dga22nFp3q1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #157144 |
<mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnn9usi7.195.mausg@smaus.org...
> On 2016-01-20, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 19/01/2016 16:19, JimP wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:59:21 +0000, Andrew Swallow
>>> <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On 19/01/2016 02:32, JimP wrote:
>>>> {snip}
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wood desks burn. Nukes catch wood items on fire rather easily, at
>>>>> leas, those wood items that don't vaporize. The school desks in the
>>>>> 1950s were useless as cover in an atomic attack.
>>>>>
>>>> The flash is over before even paper burns through.
>>>
>>> I saw the B&W test films on tv of atmoic blasts. Trees and buildings
>>> swaying in the shock wave, then they catch fire.
>>>
>> The explosion is over by then. You get up from under your desk and walk
>> away.
>
> V2 rockets arrived unannounced. Bang, you are dead. Sound of rocket
> reentering the athmosphere arrived later. It would be the same with
> a nuclear armed rocket, the most practical means of delivery from
> Russia to the US.
No it wouldn’t, because we can track them coming now.
I once stood at the bottom of the Washington Monument,
> aand wondered how many weapons were targeted at that point.
I watched that hopeless movie "The Day After", and got one
hell of a jolt with what it must be like to see all those rockets
launching out of those silos and knowing that in less than an
hour, that really would be the end of civilisation as we know
it for those who could see those missile launches.
Fortunately the whole point of MAD is that does ensure that even
the most rabid loon will never actually use them for that reason.
Jeeze google is one hell of a resource. I couldn’t remember
the name of that movie and just used the keywords
<movie nuclear war missile launches> and got it first hit.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-20 20:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160120201654.c7f8650eeadfe892c83add4e@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #157180 |
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 04:53:28 +1100 "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> wrote: > Fortunately the whole point of MAD is that does ensure that even > the most rabid loon will never actually use them for that reason. The scary part about MAD was the risk of accidentally triggered second strikes. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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