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  Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000
    Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:39 +1100
    Re: Qbasic Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-18 15:24 -0400
      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 13:22 -0700
        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-18 15:25 -0700
          Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-29 11:01 -0700
            Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-31 16:36 -0400
        Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:39 +1100
      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:14 +1100

#161144 — Re: Qbasic

Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> On 16-Mar-16 22:40, JimP. wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>> I simply don't understand them.  Voting is easy.
>>>>
>>>> The pundits tell us all sorts of reasons, but that's their own
>>>> ideas, which are b/s, not the non-voters' reasons, which
>>>> generally seem to be nothing but apathy and laziness.
>>>
>>> A lot of people don't bother to vote because they don't think it
>>> will make a difference.  If my choice is between Hillary and Trump
>>> I may skip this one, although I'm also thinking about a write-in.
>>> OTOH that _is_ the appeal of Trump to his supporters.  They feel he
>>> isn't just another "me too" candidate.
>>
>> Trump is a rabble rouser, on the type/style of Lenin and Goebbles.
>> Why he hasn't been called on it I find odd.
>
> There has been lots of media coverage of Trump rallies where he has
> supporters swear oaths to him (rather than the country) while giving
> Nazi salutes, where he incites his supporters to assault any ethnic or
> religious minorities that show up, etc.  Except on Faux News, of course;
> they love him.
>
>> I watched part of some babble last Sunday morning with Chris Wallace
>> and Karl Rove talking. They did their best to blame Bernie ...
>
> Did you really expect better from Faux News, i.e. the GOP's propaganda
> machine?

All the news people love Trump since he gives them lots of headlines
and they don't have to work so much.  If the debates had had
substance, Trump wouldn't be ahead.

/BAH

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#161165

"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM00052E3E2C3E66DB@aca2d627.ipt.aol.com...
> Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> On 16-Mar-16 22:40, JimP. wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>>> I simply don't understand them.  Voting is easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pundits tell us all sorts of reasons, but that's their own
>>>>> ideas, which are b/s, not the non-voters' reasons, which
>>>>> generally seem to be nothing but apathy and laziness.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people don't bother to vote because they don't think it
>>>> will make a difference.  If my choice is between Hillary and Trump
>>>> I may skip this one, although I'm also thinking about a write-in.
>>>> OTOH that _is_ the appeal of Trump to his supporters.  They feel he
>>>> isn't just another "me too" candidate.
>>>
>>> Trump is a rabble rouser, on the type/style of Lenin and Goebbles.
>>> Why he hasn't been called on it I find odd.
>>
>> There has been lots of media coverage of Trump rallies where he has
>> supporters swear oaths to him (rather than the country) while giving
>> Nazi salutes, where he incites his supporters to assault any ethnic or
>> religious minorities that show up, etc.  Except on Faux News, of course;
>> they love him.
>>
>>> I watched part of some babble last Sunday morning with Chris Wallace
>>> and Karl Rove talking. They did their best to blame Bernie ...
>>
>> Did you really expect better from Faux News, i.e. the GOP's propaganda
>> machine?
>
> All the news people love Trump since he gives them
> lots of headlines and they don't have to work so much.

And gives them lots to talk about with his silly shit.

> If the debates had had substance, Trump wouldn't be ahead.

BULLSHIT. His outrageous stuff would have had just
as much impact on the voters who bother to vote. 

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#161188

On 17/03/2016 9:17 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> On 16-Mar-16 22:40, JimP. wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>>> I simply don't understand them.  Voting is easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pundits tell us all sorts of reasons, but that's their
>>>>> own ideas, which are b/s, not the non-voters' reasons, which
>>>>> generally seem to be nothing but apathy and laziness.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people don't bother to vote because they don't think
>>>> it will make a difference.  If my choice is between Hillary and
>>>> Trump I may skip this one, although I'm also thinking about a
>>>> write-in. OTOH that _is_ the appeal of Trump to his supporters.
>>>> They feel he isn't just another "me too" candidate.
>>>
>>> Trump is a rabble rouser, on the type/style of Lenin and
>>> Goebbles. Why he hasn't been called on it I find odd.
>>
>> There has been lots of media coverage of Trump rallies where he
>> has supporters swear oaths to him (rather than the country) while
>> giving Nazi salutes, where he incites his supporters to assault any
>> ethnic or religious minorities that show up, etc.  Except on Faux
>> News, of course; they love him.
>>
>>> I watched part of some babble last Sunday morning with Chris
>>> Wallace and Karl Rove talking. They did their best to blame
>>> Bernie ...
>>
>> Did you really expect better from Faux News, i.e. the GOP's
>> propaganda machine?
>
> All the news people love Trump since he gives them lots of headlines
> and they don't have to work so much.  If the debates had had
> substance, Trump wouldn't be ahead.
>

I was reading David Brooks (NYT) editorial earlier today about all the 
bad things Trump is or would be. The thing that jumped out at me if 
Trump is the candidate that voters trust what does that say about the 
rest of the politicians.

The answer may be no farther than 7 years of GOB congressional
obstruction. Listen to the voice of Cruz "I led the fight against..... "
What did he lead the fight for??

A career senate leader stating at the beginning of Obama's first term
that it is his prime job to make sure that Obama a 4 year president.

Jobs have been going away, years and years of promises ignored, wages
have remained static, violence is up and business leaders/employees
salary ratio is an ever larger number.

What has anybody got to lose voting for a Trump who just might not be
more of the same next time?

I am currently in Arizona next Tuesday is primary day. We will get the
popcorn out to watch the show.

w..

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#161193

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:24:58 PM UTC-4, Walter Banks wrote:

> I was reading David Brooks (NYT) editorial earlier today about all the 
> bad things Trump is or would be. The thing that jumped out at me if 
> Trump is the candidate that voters trust what does that say about the 
> rest of the politicians.

First off, Trump is NOT a canddiate that the voters 'trust'.  If
the Republican party had a single better choice, Trump would not be
taken seriously.  But their other two leading canddiates, Rubio and
Cruz, were quite weak themselves.  Accordingly, Trump is not a majority
candidate.

Secondly, the Republicans have created the mess themselves with their
years of hate and lies.  As Mr. S correctly pointed out, they have
spent the Obama years passionately believing and expanding the idea
that is a Muslim born in Kenya, a communist liberal, and numerous
other junk.  The Republicans have campaigned against any and all
government as evil, wanting to return to the year 1900.  So, if their
supporters don't trust the candidates, it's their own fault.


> The answer may be no farther than 7 years of GOB congressional
> obstruction. Listen to the voice of Cruz "I led the fight against..... "
> What did he lead the fight for??
> A career senate leader stating at the beginning of Obama's first term
> that it is his prime job to make sure that Obama a 4 year president.

True.


> Jobs have been going away, years and years of promises ignored, wages
> have remained static, violence is up and business leaders/employees
> salary ratio is an ever larger number.

The issue of foreign trade is complex and difficult to follow.  The
government does not have the power to regulate actual wages, and I'm
not sure what the government could do to alleviate the big wage gap.
I think we need fresh labor unions, but unfortunately, the labor
movement is stuck in the past, ineffective, and unpopular.  I also
think we need heavy enforcement of anti-trust laws and fair trade.

One problem with foreign trade is that it has allowed us to import
many goods very cheaply.  Clothing, for example, is relatively a
lot cheaper thanks to imports made by subsistence wage workers
in poor countries.  Unfortunately, this has made a lot of US jobs
are gone.  (Nabisco just announced it's closing a Chicago cookie
factory in favor of Mexican production.)


> What has anybody got to lose voting for a Trump who just might not be
> more of the same next time?

The answer is simply Godwin's law.

Look at Chris Christie's record in New Jersey.  The state is worse
off despite his dictatorial efforts.  Note that Christie ignores
laws and contracts he doesn't like.  Will Trump repudiate US debt?

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#161202

hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> Secondly, the Republicans have created the mess themselves with their
> years of hate and lies.  As Mr. S correctly pointed out, they have
> spent the Obama years passionately believing and expanding the idea
> that is a Muslim born in Kenya, a communist liberal, and numerous
> other junk.  The Republicans have campaigned against any and all
> government as evil, wanting to return to the year 1900.  So, if their
> supporters don't trust the candidates, it's their own fault.

they may have periodically mentioned all government as evil ... but
they have been looting it for all they could ... especially the
military-industrial-congressional complex where trillions seem
to evaporate
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex

this is somewhat the "Kabuki Theater" which local WashDC press will
periodically call congress ... i.e. what you see publicly may have
nothing at all to do with what is really going on
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#kabuki.theater

Congressional republicans were major factor behind the fiscal
responsibility act in the 90s (spending couldn't exceed tax revenue, it
was on the way to eliminating all federal debt). Then in 2002 they let
the fiscal responsibility act lapse. 2010 CBO report was that 2003-2009,
tax revenue was cut $6T and spending increased $6T for $12T budget gap
compared to the fiscal responsibility budget (possibly only time taxes
were cut to not pay for wars). Since then, little of the tax revenue has
been restored and only few dents in their spending ... so that interest
on the debt is now pushing half trillion/annum
http://mananan.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act

It was 18 republicans pushing through Medicare Part-D in 2003 ... first
major legislation after fiscal responsibility act was allowed to expire.
CBS 60mins does expose that they add one line sentence just before final
vote that precludes competitive bidding and prevents CBO from
distributing report of the effects. CBS finds that within six months
later, all 18 have resigned and on drug industry payroll. CBS shows
medicare part-d drugs that are three times the price of identical
drugs from the VA (which allows competitive bidding)
http://mananan.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#medicare.part-d

By middle of last decade, the US Comptroller General is including in
speeches that nobody in congress is capable of middle school arithmetic
for how badly they are savaging the budget. He also refers to "Part-D"
as enormous gift to the drug industry and says it will come to be
a long term $40T that swamps all other budget items.
http://mananan.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#comptroller.general

The major transition in congress appears to coincide with the new
administration at the start of the century. It is also follows the major
shift in the (national) "Chamber of Commerce" detailed here

The Influence Machine: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Corporate
Capture of American Life
http://www.amazon.com/Influence-Machine-Commerce-Corporate-American-ebook/dp/B00NDTUDHA/

Also about the same time was the lobbying for repeal of Glass-Steagall
and preventing CDOs from being regulated.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#Pecora&/orGlass-Steagal
which was major factor behind the rise of "too big to fail"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail

Note that references from a few years ago was that financial industry
had tripled in size (as percent of GDP) during the economic mess and NY
State controller published that total bonuses paid out by wallstreet had
quadrupled during the same period. recently this claims that financial
industry accounts for 30% of profit
https://promarket.org/there-is-regulatory-capture-but-it-is-by-no-means-complete/

I don't consider myself an expert on the financial industry, but the
fact that the financial industry is responsible for something like 30
percent of all profits seems rather remarkable. I am startled by the
size of the financial industry and what it means. I can't believe this
is really needed for the allocation of resources. A lot of it is going
to be rent-seeking. It creates a diversion of resources, especially
human capital, and not only does it create problems for the legitimacy
of income distribution, but that also means resources diverted for this
purpose [rent-seeking] can't be used elsewhere.

... snip ...

financial industry is skimming ever increasing share out of everybody's
pocket.
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

trivia: 17Apr2015, garlic.com put up a new webserver and copied all
files from the old webserver to the new webserver. They may be trying to
target commercial/businesses with the new webserver, since they haven't
provided a way to update personal web pages. However, I've discovered
that they (now/still?) have the old webserver up at manana.garlic.com
for the personal web pages (i.e. "manana.garlic.com" is "forbidden" but
"manana.garlic.com/~lynn" and others work).

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#161593

Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
> https://promarket.org/there-is-regulatory-capture-but-it-is-by-no-means-complete/
>
> I don't consider myself an expert on the financial industry, but the
> fact that the financial industry is responsible for something like 30
> percent of all profits seems rather remarkable. I am startled by the
> size of the financial industry and what it means. I can't believe this
> is really needed for the allocation of resources. A lot of it is going
> to be rent-seeking. It creates a diversion of resources, especially
> human capital, and not only does it create problems for the legitimacy
> of income distribution, but that also means resources diverted for this
> purpose [rent-seeking] can't be used elsewhere.


"There Is Regulatory Capture, But It Is By No Means Complete"
https://promarket.org/there-is-regulatory-capture-but-it-is-by-no-means-complete/

I don't consider myself an expert on the financial industry, but the
fact that the financial industry is responsible for something like 30
percent of all profits seems rather remarkable. I am startled by the
size of the financial industry and what it means. I can't believe this
is really needed for the allocation of resources. A lot of it is going
to be rent-seeking. It creates a diversion of resources, especially
human capital, and not only does it create problems for the legitimacy
of income distribution, but that also means resources diverted for this
purpose [rent-seeking] can't be used elsewhere.

... snip ...

old post mentioning "rent-seeking"
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#13 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?

Joe Stiglitz Blasts Our Wealthy-Coddling Tax System for Increasing the
Returns on Rent-Seeking
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/04/joe-stiglitz-blasts-our-wealthy-coddling-tax-system-for-increasing-the-returns-on-rent-seeking.html

And then the good professor turns to corporate tax breaks, citing poster
child GE, which has paid on average less than 2% of its income in taxes
since 2002. The picture is likely even worse than these figures suggest
since corporations and wealthy individuals can hide income tax havens.

... snip ...

tax evasion, tax avoidance, tax haven posts
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion

and wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

The economist Joseph Stiglitz has argued that rent-seeking contributes
significantly to income inequality in the United States through lobbying
for government policies that let the wealthy and powerful get income,
not as a reward for creating wealth, but by grabbing a larger share of
the wealth that would otherwise have been produced without their
effort.[28][29] Piketty, Saez, and Stantcheva have analyzed
international economies and their changes in tax rates to conclude that
much of income inequality is a result of rent-seeking among wealthy tax
payers.[30]

... snip ...

inequality posts
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#inequality

Also sometimes Wallstreet and Financial industry have been represented
as beneficial parasites in symbiotic relationship with the US Economy
host. However there is danger of the parasite getting greedy, going
rogue and threatening to kill the host ... as described in the account
of financial industry accounting for 30% of all profit (and accounts of
how the Financial industry has "captured" their regulators)

However, there have similar accounts of other beneficial parasites in
symbiotic relationship with the US Economy host, like Eisonhower's
warning about the Military-Industrial(-Congressional) complex
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military-industrial-complex
similar accounts of Drug industry (Medicare Part-D coming to be
long-term $40T item totally swamping all other budget items)
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#medicare.part-d

as well as Healthcare Industry becoming dominate portion of GDP.

Interestingly, the Finance Industry apparently having gone rogue and
looking around at their parasite competitors have taken to buying up
some of their competitor parasites. This is seen in the articles about
private-equity taking over MICC and beltway bandits, hospitals and
public health firms, as well as drug firms ... in order to suck them
dry. private-equity posts
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity

reference to private-equity moving in on various government contractors
(including Snowden's employer)
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

past posts mentioning Private Equity forays into healthcare
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#48 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#58 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#100 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#106 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#107 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#108 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#18 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#42 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#38 Sale receipt--obligatory?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014l.html#30 HP splits, again
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014l.html#64 How Comp-Sci went from passing fad to must have major
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#10 weird apple trivia
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#52 LEO
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#77 Western Union envisioned internet functionality
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#89 Obama-Bush Years Saw Employers Reduce Health Insurance Coverage
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016.html#93 Thanks Obama

regulatory capture posts
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#25 Happy 100th Birthday, IBM!
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#7 FDR explains one dimension of our problem: bankers own the government
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#39 Greek knife to Wall Street
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#54 PC industry is heading for more change
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#20 The Big Fail
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#35 Adair Turner: A New Debt-Free Money Advocate
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#25 Senator Sherrod Brown Drops a Bombshell in Mary Jo White's Hearing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#89 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#94 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#20 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#86 What Makes a thread about the European debt crisis Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#1 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#2 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#34 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#36 Fed proposes annual assessments for large financial companies
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#55 OT: "Highway Patrol" back on TV
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#89 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#14 Barclays, Traders Fined $487.9 Million by U.S. Regulator
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#15 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#78 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#26 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#29 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#32 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#38 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#52 The agency problem and how to create a criminogenic environment
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#1 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#7 What Makes a Tax System Bizarre?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#48 Ex-Wall Street chieftains living large in post-meltdown world
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#52 Lehman Brothers collapse: was capitalism to blame?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#76 The Scholars Who Shill for Wall Street
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#77 OCC Replies to Elizabeth Warren Reveal Extent of Regulatory Capture on Derivatives
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#81 Academics Who Defend Wall St. Reap Reward
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#3 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#50 Royal Pardon For Turing
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014c.html#68 Economists and our responsibilities to society
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#47 LA Times commentary:  roll out "smart" credit cards to deter fraud
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014l.html#4 HP splits, again
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#67 LEO
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#71 Why do we have wars?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#81 Stanford Law School Covers Up SEC's Andrew Bowden's Embarrassing Remarks by Deep-Sixing Conference Video
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#86 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#6 SEC's Andrew Bowden Regulatory Capture Scandal Hits the Major Leagues with Los Angeles Times Column
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#11 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#16 Retirement Heist
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#18 SEC's Andrew Bowden Regulatory Capture Scandal Hits the Major Leagues with Los Angeles Times Column
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#41 past of nukes, was Future of support for telephone rotary dial ?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#24 Wall Street Bailouts Are Finally Over, Right?
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#28 Bernie Sanders Proposes A Bill To Break Up The 'Too Big To Exist' Banks
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#23 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#29 Eric Holder Returns as Hero to Law Firm That Lobbies for Big Banks
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#36 Eric Holder, Wall Street Double Agent, Comes in From the Cold
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#38 LIBOR: History's Largest Financial Crime that the WSJ and NYT Would Like You to Forget
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#67 Economics Has a Math Problem
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#73 Economists' Tribal Thinking
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#28 rationality
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#16 There Is Regulatory Capture, But It Is By No Means Complete
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#18 Qbasic
http://manana.garlic.com/~lynn/2016c.html#23 How Generation Y is paying the price for baby boomer pensions

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#161756

In article <87zithw4cu.fsf@garlic.com>,
 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:

> The economist Joseph Stiglitz has argued that rent-seeking contributes
> significantly to income inequality in the United States through lobbying
> for government policies that let the wealthy and powerful get income,
> not as a reward for creating wealth, but by grabbing a larger share of
> the wealth that would otherwise have been produced without their
> effort.[28][29] Piketty, Saez, and Stantcheva have analyzed
> international economies and their changes in tax rates to conclude that
> much of income inequality is a result of rent-seeking among wealthy tax
> payers.[30]

Rent seeking *AND* tax breaks.

-- 
 To terrify children with the image of hell,
 to consider women an inferior creation is that good for the world?  
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#161203

<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:7bd9d237-b74b-43cf-977b-82d42833eeca@googlegroups.com...
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:24:58 PM UTC-4, Walter Banks wrote:
>
>> I was reading David Brooks (NYT) editorial earlier today about all the
>> bad things Trump is or would be. The thing that jumped out at me if
>> Trump is the candidate that voters trust what does that say about the
>> rest of the politicians.
>
> First off, Trump is NOT a canddiate that the voters 'trust'.

They trust him a lot more than they do anyone else.

> If the Republican party had a single better choice,
> Trump would not be taken seriously.

He would be by plenty of the voters, just because he
says what he thinks and what many of the voters think
about immigrants, moslems, women etc etc etc.

> But their other two leading canddiates, Rubio
> and Cruz, were quite weak themselves.

Weak in a policy sense with Cruz, sure, but you
can't say that about Trump.

> Accordingly, Trump is not a majority candidate.

Bet he will be with repug voters.

> Secondly, the Republicans have created the mess themselves with
> their years of hate and lies.  As Mr. S correctly pointed out, they have
> spent the Obama years passionately believing and expanding the idea
> that is a Muslim born in Kenya, a communist liberal, and numerous
> other junk.  The Republicans have campaigned against any and all
> government as evil, wanting to return to the year 1900.  So, if their
> supporters don't trust the candidates, it's their own fault.

Yes, but that doesn't alter the fact that the voters trust
Trump much more, just because he clearly does say what
he thinks and doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks.

>> The answer may be no farther than 7 years of GOB congressional
>> obstruction. Listen to the voice of Cruz "I led the fight against..... "
>> What did he lead the fight for??
>> A career senate leader stating at the beginning of Obama's first term
>> that it is his prime job to make sure that Obama a 4 year president.
>
> True.
>
>
>> Jobs have been going away, years and years of promises ignored, wages
>> have remained static, violence is up and business leaders/employees
>> salary ratio is an ever larger number.
>
> The issue of foreign trade is complex and difficult to follow.

And isnt something any prez has any real influence over.
It happens regardless of any prez and congress too.

> The government does not have the power to regulate actual wages,

It does indirectly with the number of immigrants allowed
into the country and what it does about the illegals.

> and I'm not sure what the government could do to alleviate the big wage 
> gap.

It could obviously enforce a minimum wage.

> I think we need fresh labor unions,

Hardly anyone agrees with you on that.

> but unfortunately, the labor movement is
> stuck in the past, ineffective, and unpopular.

And no labor movement world wide does any
better, it's the nature of the beast, essentially
because all they ever attempt to do is look
after their member's interests and now that
we do have very decent workplace safety
laws and very decent working conditions,
all they can really do is demand higher
wages and better pensions etc and that
isnt necessarily good for any industry now.

> I also think we need heavy enforcement of anti-trust laws

I don't if by that you mean breaking
up Microsoft and Apple and Google.

That is the last thing that should be done given that
they are what sets the US apart from the rest of the
first and second world now.

> and fair trade.

That can't fly unless you spell out what you mean by fair trade.

> One problem with foreign trade is that it has allowed us to import
> many goods very cheaply.

That isn't a problem for everyone who buys those products.

> Clothing, for example, is relatively a lot cheaper
> thanks to imports made by subsistence wage
> workers in poor countries.

They are in fact paid a hell of a lot better for doing that
work than they could earn anywhere else in their country.

> Unfortunately, this has made a lot of US jobs are gone.

Because US workers have to be paid a lot more.

> (Nabisco just announced it's closing a Chicago
> cookie factory in favor of Mexican production.)

Nothing unfair about that. It would in fact be very
unfair to not allow them to be made where they
can be made more cheaply.

>> What has anybody got to lose voting for a Trump
>> who just might not be more of the same next time?
>
> The answer is simply Godwin's law.
>
> Look at Chris Christie's record in New Jersey.  The state is worse
> off despite his dictatorial efforts.  Note that Christie ignores
> laws and contracts he doesn't like.  Will Trump repudiate US debt?

No reason why he should be that stupid.

He might well piss off Mexico by stopping immigration from
there, and might well piss off moslems very comprehensively
indeed. 

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"Walter Banks" <walter@bytecraft.com> wrote in message 
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> On 17/03/2016 9:17 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>> On 16-Mar-16 22:40, JimP. wrote:
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I simply don't understand them.  Voting is easy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pundits tell us all sorts of reasons, but that's their
>>>>>> own ideas, which are b/s, not the non-voters' reasons, which
>>>>>> generally seem to be nothing but apathy and laziness.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of people don't bother to vote because they don't think
>>>>> it will make a difference.  If my choice is between Hillary and
>>>>> Trump I may skip this one, although I'm also thinking about a
>>>>> write-in. OTOH that _is_ the appeal of Trump to his supporters.
>>>>> They feel he isn't just another "me too" candidate.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is a rabble rouser, on the type/style of Lenin and
>>>> Goebbles. Why he hasn't been called on it I find odd.
>>>
>>> There has been lots of media coverage of Trump rallies where he
>>> has supporters swear oaths to him (rather than the country) while
>>> giving Nazi salutes, where he incites his supporters to assault any
>>> ethnic or religious minorities that show up, etc.  Except on Faux
>>> News, of course; they love him.
>>>
>>>> I watched part of some babble last Sunday morning with Chris
>>>> Wallace and Karl Rove talking. They did their best to blame
>>>> Bernie ...
>>>
>>> Did you really expect better from Faux News, i.e. the GOP's
>>> propaganda machine?
>>
>> All the news people love Trump since he gives them lots of headlines
>> and they don't have to work so much.  If the debates had had
>> substance, Trump wouldn't be ahead.
>>
>
> I was reading David Brooks (NYT) editorial earlier today about all the bad 
> things Trump is or would be. The thing that jumped out at me if Trump is 
> the candidate that voters trust what does that say about the rest of the 
> politicians.
>
> The answer may be no farther than 7 years of GOB congressional
> obstruction. Listen to the voice of Cruz "I led the fight against..... "
> What did he lead the fight for??
>
> A career senate leader stating at the beginning of Obama's first term
> that it is his prime job to make sure that Obama a 4 year president.
>
> Jobs have been going away, years and years of promises ignored, wages
> have remained static, violence is up and business leaders/employees
> salary ratio is an ever larger number.
>
> What has anybody got to lose voting for a Trump who just might not be
> more of the same next time?

They can get someone who doesn’t have a fucking clue about
the basics and may fuck things up very comprehensively indeed
with stuff like the immigrants coming via Mexico etc and with
moslems already in the country.

> I am currently in Arizona next Tuesday is primary day. We will get the
> popcorn out to watch the show.
 

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