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#162578

From	Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date	2016-04-16 19:31 -0300
Message-ID	<87ega51901.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to	#162576

"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> In article <87inzh1ic0.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, 
> mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere says...
> 
>> Hacking anything with a proprietary digital black box is not even
>> slightly the same kind of thing as hacking real hardware.
> 
> It is hacking real hardware.  Electronics is mysterious to you so you 
> don't see hacking it as having anything to do with hardware.

Thank you for the condescension.  Electronics is not mysterious to me
-- not my forte but hardly mysterious.  But the contemporary embodiment
of it is not intrinsically accessible to human hands and the human
eye.  You can't take a solid state device apart and learn  how it
works. 

> Imagine an engine with 413 cyinders all of different sizes, with
> 28,000 camshafts working a half a million valves, and a different
> kind of carburetor feeding each intake valve....

Ah, you've owned a Jag XK-140.


> ...and you begin to understand the difficulty with modern operating
> systems.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#162593

From	mausg@mail.com
Date	2016-04-17 11:11 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnnh6rqd.1lm.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to	#162578

On 2016-04-16, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> In article <87inzh1ic0.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, 
>> mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere says...
>> 
>>> Hacking anything with a proprietary digital black box is not even
>>> slightly the same kind of thing as hacking real hardware.
>> 
>
>
>> ...and you begin to understand the difficulty with modern operating
>> systems.
>

ps aux | wc 238 (Slackware 14.1)

-- 
greymaus

iD|marrA Raa|fLa 
Ireland

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#162832

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-22 11:23 +1000
Message-ID	<dntcohFe0poU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162578


"Mike Spencer" <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message 
news:87ega51901.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere...
>
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> In article <87inzh1ic0.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
>> mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere says...
>>
>>> Hacking anything with a proprietary digital black box is not even
>>> slightly the same kind of thing as hacking real hardware.
>>
>> It is hacking real hardware.  Electronics is mysterious to you so you
>> don't see hacking it as having anything to do with hardware.
>
> Thank you for the condescension.  Electronics is not mysterious to me
> -- not my forte but hardly mysterious.  But the contemporary embodiment
> of it is not intrinsically accessible to human hands and the human
> eye.  You can't take a solid state device apart and learn  how it works.

You can however read the code and learn how it works
much better than you ever could with analog electronics.

>> Imagine an engine with 413 cyinders all of different sizes, with
>> 28,000 camshafts working a half a million valves, and a different
>> kind of carburetor feeding each intake valve....
>
> Ah, you've owned a Jag XK-140.
>
>
>> ...and you begin to understand the difficulty with modern operating
>> systems.
>
> -- 
> Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#162584

From	Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org>
Date	2016-04-17 07:09 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnnh6dko.9i7.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de>
In reply to	#162565

On 16 Apr 2016 16:09:35 -0300, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> one with belts and pulleys instead
> of a transmission (DKW, IIRC) 

DAF most likely...Dutch, makes trucks these days.

-- 
Stan Barr     plan.b@bluesomatic.org

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#162594

From	mausg@mail.com
Date	2016-04-17 11:15 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnnh6s1n.1lm.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to	#162584

On 2016-04-17, Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2016 16:09:35 -0300, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>> one with belts and pulleys instead
>> of a transmission (DKW, IIRC) 
>
> DAF most likely...Dutch, makes trucks these days.
>

I looked into the engine area of a DAF car once.
"Why can't everything be this simple?".. Seen that variable
pulley on several machines since.

-- 
greymaus

iD|marrA Raa|fLa 
Ireland

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#162635

From	Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date	2016-04-17 15:39 -0300
Message-ID	<87vb3gqdtz.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to	#162584


Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> writes:

> On 16 Apr 2016 16:09 -0300, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> one with belts and pulleys instead of a transmission (DKW, IIRC)
> 
> DAF most likely...Dutch, makes trucks these days.

Right you are.  It's been nearly 50 years....

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#162548

From	Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date	2016-04-16 13:25 +0200
Message-ID	<72k9uc-ol1.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to	#162543

In article <slrnnh42bl.18p.mausg@Smaus.org>,  <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>On 2016-04-15, Morten Reistzd <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1604151414130.17695@darkstar.example.org>,
>> Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Walter Bushell wrote:
>>>
>>
>> At least some neighbour could probably see us at all times, but we were
>> never closely supervised. 
>>
>> And around half the kids in my class broke an arm or a leg at some time
>> from 2nd to 6th grade. I just had my ankle disjointed in a football match.
>> At the hospital they just gave me a large shot of morphine and two medical
>> students snapped it back into place. 
>>
>> None of this was anything out of the ordinary then.
>>
>> We were lucky to have that upbringing.
>>
>> -- mrr
>>
>
>I have an in-law that grew up in the country, now lives in semi-suburbia,

I grew up just at the edge of suburbia, but now the place is around 15 km
inside the suburbia zone. The forest is a condo now, but the farm is still
there, run by some eco-people now; much smaller land but much denser grown.

>We went down to see them once, a couple of six-packs and he was moaning 
>about how the youngsters nowadays don't hack at cars as we  did then, 
>back in thge 50s-60s, I asked him what he would do if one of his took 
>apart a couple of cars to see if they could be  joined at bell-housing.
>with leaking oil, etc, on his forcourt. No way.

We got an old Java 1936 vintage motorcycle, 600 cc, working again. And
we ran on the field just beyond the forest. We were 13-14 at the time.
>
>Welived in a magical time, everything could be hacked with. Now, little can.

Programming and electronics is still hackable.

-- mrr

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#162571

From	mausg@mail.com
Date	2016-04-16 20:28 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnnh582f.1lj.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to	#162548

On 2016-04-16, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnnh42bl.18p.mausg@Smaus.org>,  <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have an in-law that grew up in the country, now lives in semi-suburbia,
>
> I grew up just at the edge of suburbia, but now the place is around 15 km
> inside the suburbia zone. The forest is a condo now, but the farm is still
> there, run by some eco-people now; much smaller land but much denser grown.
>
>>We went down to see them once, a couple of six-packs and he was moaning 
>>about how the youngsters nowadays don't hack at cars as we  did then, 
>>back in thge 50s-60s, I asked him what he would do if one of his took 
>>apart a couple of cars to see if they could be  joined at bell-housing.
>>with leaking oil, etc, on his forcourt. No way.
>
> We got an old Java 1936 vintage motorcycle, 600 cc, working again. And
> we ran on the field just beyond the forest. We were 13-14 at the time.
>>
>>Welived in a magical time, everything could be hacked with. Now, little can.
>
> Programming and electronics is still hackable.

Last thing I made that worked was a TV-begone. In traffic, point it 
at a house and press. When I looked it up, the settings for the US
were different than that for the EU. Still turned TVs off.

>
> -- mrr

A man I know recently got an old Russian motorcycle with sidecar, a
copy of the more widespread German one. (AFAIK, once the RussiansI
got a Willys jeep, the motorbikes were forgotten) ncredibly simple.
Some of the old `carburettors' were tin cans with a wick going into
the engine inlet, safety was secondry consideration.

-- 
greymaus

iD|marrA Raa|fLa 
Ireland

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#162579

From	Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date	2016-04-16 23:33 +0200
Message-ID	<qmnauc-kr3.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to	#162571

In article <slrnnh582f.1lj.mausg@Smaus.org>,  <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>On 2016-04-16, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <slrnnh42bl.18p.mausg@Smaus.org>,  <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I have an in-law that grew up in the country, now lives in semi-suburbia,
>>
>> I grew up just at the edge of suburbia, but now the place is around 15 km
>> inside the suburbia zone. The forest is a condo now, but the farm is still
>> there, run by some eco-people now; much smaller land but much denser grown.
>>
>>>We went down to see them once, a couple of six-packs and he was moaning 
>>>about how the youngsters nowadays don't hack at cars as we  did then, 
>>>back in thge 50s-60s, I asked him what he would do if one of his took 
>>>apart a couple of cars to see if they could be  joined at bell-housing.
>>>with leaking oil, etc, on his forcourt. No way.
>>
>> We got an old Java 1936 vintage motorcycle, 600 cc, working again. And
>> we ran on the field just beyond the forest. We were 13-14 at the time.
>>>
>>>Welived in a magical time, everything could be hacked with. Now, little can.
>>
>> Programming and electronics is still hackable.
>
>Last thing I made that worked was a TV-begone. In traffic, point it 
>at a house and press. When I looked it up, the settings for the US
>were different than that for the EU. Still turned TVs off.

You just have to emit a wild train of sync pulses at the right frequency
to throw off TVs, NTSC,PAL SECAM alike.

>> -- mrr
>
>A man I know recently got an old Russian motorcycle with sidecar, a
>copy of the more widespread German one. (AFAIK, once the RussiansI
>got a Willys jeep, the motorbikes were forgotten) ncredibly simple.
>Some of the old `carburettors' were tin cans with a wick going into
>the engine inlet, safety was secondry consideration.

The Java was a pre-ww2 Czechoslovakian model, VERY solidly built, 
conventional but pretty modern. It just needed some new wires, everything
corroded (almost everything) patiently scrubbed and polished, 
reassembled and oiled. 

And did so at the age of 13-14 without any of our parents discovered.
Barns, garages etc were the place to do it.

-- mrr

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#162580

From	Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx>
Date	2016-04-16 18:36 -0500
Message-ID	<87ega5t9bj.fsf@senguio.mx>
In reply to	#162571

mausg@mail.com writes:
> A man I know recently got an old Russian motorcycle with sidecar, a
> copy of the more widespread German one. (AFAIK, once the RussiansI
> got a Willys jeep, the motorbikes were forgotten) ncredibly simple.
> Some of the old `carburettors' were tin cans with a wick going into
> the engine inlet, safety was secondry consideration.

Ural.

They are still being made.

I owned one briefly.

--NK1G

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#162583

From	Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date	2016-04-17 06:47 +0100
Message-ID	<20160417064742.ecbf2f27f0162cec59a1e88a@eircom.net>
In reply to	#162580

On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 18:36:48 -0500
Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote:

> mausg@mail.com writes:
> > A man I know recently got an old Russian motorcycle with sidecar, a
> > copy of the more widespread German one. (AFAIK, once the RussiansI
> > got a Willys jeep, the motorbikes were forgotten) ncredibly simple.
> > Some of the old `carburettors' were tin cans with a wick going into
> > the engine inlet, safety was secondry consideration.
> 
> Ural.

	Also Dniepier (sp ?) and Cossack at various times from different
factories.
 
> They are still being made.

	Although they have become more sophisticated, the current ones have
electric start, automatic advance/retard, decent carbs and 12 volt
electrics. My 1970s one had none of these (well the original Russian carbs
had been replaced with SU carbs on mine - no air filters though) but it was
a wonderful machine, you could drive it pretty much anywhere ...

> I owned one briefly.

	... until it died - a valve spring broke, I made the mistake of
pulling the cylinder while I had the head off - there was no skirt on the
piston, the rings fell out in bits and it got worse from there. Had I just
left the cylinder in place and replaced the valve spring it would probably
have been fine (I towed a small car with it a few weeks earlier).

-- 
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#162592

From	mausg@mail.com
Date	2016-04-17 11:07 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnnh6rj9.1lm.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to	#162580

On 2016-04-16, Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote:
> mausg@mail.com writes:
>> A man I know recently got an old Russian motorcycle with sidecar, a
>> copy of the more widespread German one. (AFAIK, once the RussiansI
>> got a Willys jeep, the motorbikes were forgotten) ncredibly simple.
>> Some of the old `carburettors' were tin cans with a wick going into
>> the engine inlet, safety was secondry consideration.
>
> Ural.
>
> They are still being made.
>
> I owned one briefly.
>
> --NK1G
>

That friend buys up old bikes, fixes them up, and runs them on obscure
mountain roads.

"Why not get a modern Japanese bike?"

"Because they are booring"



-- 
greymaus

iD|marrA Raa|fLa 
Ireland

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#162621

From	Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com>
Date	2016-04-17 11:24 -0400
Message-ID	<proto-B7AE6B.11241317042016@news.panix.com>
In reply to	#162543

In article <slrnnh42bl.18p.mausg@Smaus.org>, mausg@mail.com wrote:

> On 2016-04-15, Morten Reistzd <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1604151414130.17695@darkstar.example.org>,
> > Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
> >>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Walter Bushell wrote:
> >>
> >
> > At least some neighbour could probably see us at all times, but we were
> > never closely supervised. 
> >
> > And around half the kids in my class broke an arm or a leg at some time
> > from 2nd to 6th grade. I just had my ankle disjointed in a football match.
> > At the hospital they just gave me a large shot of morphine and two medical
> > students snapped it back into place. 
> >
> > None of this was anything out of the ordinary then.
> >
> > We were lucky to have that upbringing.
> >
> > -- mrr
> >
> 
> I have an in-law that grew up in the country, now lives in semi-suburbia,
> We went down to see them once, a couple of six-packs and he was moaning 
> about how the youngsters nowadays don't hack at cars as we  did then, 
> back in thge 50s-60s, I asked him what he would do if one of his took 
> apart a couple of cars to see if they could be  joined at bell-housing.
> with leaking oil, etc, on his forcourt. No way.
> 
> Welived in a magical time, everything could be hacked with. Now, little can.

Not hardware, but software certainly can be.

-- 
 To terrify children with the image of hell,
 to consider women an inferior creation is that good for the world?  
  Christopher Hitchens

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#162797

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-21 20:52 +1000
Message-ID	<dnrpodF1f14U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162543


<mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnnh42bl.18p.mausg@Smaus.org...
> On 2016-04-15, Morten Reistzd <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1604151414130.17695@darkstar.example.org>,
>> Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Walter Bushell wrote:
>>>
>>
>> At least some neighbour could probably see us at all times, but we were
>> never closely supervised.
>>
>> And around half the kids in my class broke an arm or a leg at some time
>> from 2nd to 6th grade. I just had my ankle disjointed in a football 
>> match.
>> At the hospital they just gave me a large shot of morphine and two 
>> medical
>> students snapped it back into place.
>>
>> None of this was anything out of the ordinary then.
>>
>> We were lucky to have that upbringing.
>>
>> -- mrr
>>
>
> I have an in-law that grew up in the country, now lives in semi-suburbia,
> We went down to see them once, a couple of six-packs and he was moaning
> about how the youngsters nowadays don't hack at cars as we  did then,
> back in thge 50s-60s, I asked him what he would do if one of his took
> apart a couple of cars to see if they could be  joined at bell-housing.
> with leaking oil, etc, on his forcourt. No way.
>
> Welived in a magical time, everything could be hacked with. Now, little 
> can.

That last is bullshit with software and single chip micros etc.

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#162795

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-21 20:44 +1000
Message-ID	<dnrp8fF1b7nU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#162528


"Morten Reistzd" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
news:p378uc-a5h.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
> In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1604151414130.17695@darkstar.example.org>,
> Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Walter Bushell wrote:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.317751437839b71198a0c5@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, helicopter parenting and parental fear of the big bad world does
>>>> that.  I suspect that in the modern world my parents would have been
>>>> arrested for letting me do the sorts of things that I and my friends
>>>> did.  I suspect that if they knew, _they_ would have been horrified.
>>>
>>> Good thing they didn't find out then. Small children need to do things
>>> that would horrify there parents for normal development. Many adults
>>> completely forget their childhood, apparently.
>>>
>>Babies and small children are hackers, they learn about the world through
>>experience.  They are even able to figure out how to talk, so long as they
>>get spoken to enough.  There, the teacher is the relationship, a need to
>>communicate with this young being, so adults talk to the kids and they
>>learn from it.
>>
>>When I spent a lot of time with the daughter of a friend decades ago, I
>>realized I wasn't willing to stop her from exploring, but I was terrified
>>that something would happen to her.  So I interacted with her on a very
>>deep basis, if she wanted to climb up and see something, I'd be there to
>>catch her if she needed it.  It was the same once she could walk, she was
>>fascinated by stairs.  So I let her walk, and I was always on the step
>>below her, in case she fell.
>>
>>There's a difference between stopping them from doing things, and putting
>>a net under them.
>>
>>When she was older, we were at the playground one time, and she climbed to
>>the top of the climbing bars, and looked towards me, one time I wasn't
>>paying so much attention.  And I realized she was going to jump, and since
>>she was doing it by herself (nobody else around to talk her into doing
>>something she wasn't prepared for), I didn't say anything.  She jumped and
>>all was fine. Though 25 years or so later, I still sort of think about how
>>might have turned different, there was always the slight possibility that
>>she'd break an arm or a leg, then I'd have to explain it to her mother.
>>But she was being careful, and that's the best that can be.

> I grew up in the 1960s,

I grew up a bit before you.

> and we generally roamed free,

We roamed completely free, just
had to be back for dinner etc.

> but in a quite limited area we were told never to leave.

Never had anything like that at all.

> But we had a full farm and small forest within the area.
> We climbed every tree that was climbable. diverted the
> little stream and put a little homemade turbine in it,

We roamed around the north side of Sydney Harbour,
spending quite a bit of the time shunting logs around
in the shallower water.

> were generally scared of the cows that roamed around.

We harassed the sheep when were on the edge
of Canberra later and went fazed by the cattle
or horses or any of the wildlife either.

> At least some neighbour could probably see us at all times,

That wasn’t true of us.

> but we were never closely supervised.

We weren't supervised at all, the parents just
made sure we could swim quite early and
encouraged us to swim a mile etc later.

> And around half the kids in my class broke an arm
> or a leg at some time from 2nd to 6th grade.

Yeah, same with us. Never broke anything myself tho.
Lots scars tho.

> I just had my ankle disjointed in a football match.
> At the hospital they just gave me a large shot of morphine
> and two medical students snapped it back into place.

> None of this was anything out of the ordinary then.

> We were lucky to have that upbringing.

Plenty of kids still do. I prefer to walk for exercise
in the scrub outside town and have come across
a few kids out on their own roaming around.
One was obviously wagging high school.

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#162529

From	"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date	2016-04-15 19:19 -0400
Message-ID	<MPG.317b41108c09b41b98a0d8@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to	#162502

In article <proto-F451EE.11003415042016@news.panix.com>, proto@panix.com 
says...
> 
> In article <MPG.317751437839b71198a0c5@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > No, helicopter parenting and parental fear of the big bad world does 
> > that.  I suspect that in the modern world my parents would have been 
> > arrested for letting me do the sorts of things that I and my friends 
> > did.  I suspect that if they knew, _they_ would have been horrified.
> 
> Good thing they didn't find out then. Small children need to do things
> that would horrify there parents for normal development. Many adults
> completely forget their childhood, apparently.

If they did then they wouldn't be in such a hurry to get their kids into 
the public schools.

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#162365

From	Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date	2016-04-13 06:25 +0100
Message-ID	<20160413062509.a576f7bdb7d3b37a927f1e9d@eircom.net>
In reply to	#162337

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:07:07 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> A far more apropos cause of obesity is the modern
> sedentary lifestyle which is due to TV and the
> relative lack of strenuous employment opportunities.

	Sounds plausible, except that I have a sedentary lifestyle and a
28" waist.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#162372

From	scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date	2016-04-13 12:48 +0000
Message-ID	<xerPy.2625$Dn6.486@fx28.iad>
In reply to	#162365

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:07:07 GMT
>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> A far more apropos cause of obesity is the modern
>> sedentary lifestyle which is due to TV and the
>> relative lack of strenuous employment opportunities.
>
>	Sounds plausible, except that I have a sedentary lifestyle and a
>28" waist.
>

Ok.  Throw genetics into the mix.

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#162381

From	Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date	2016-04-13 14:31 +0100
Message-ID	<20160413143114.064b3eeae927224f7535786a@eircom.net>
In reply to	#162372

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:48:29 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
> >On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:07:07 GMT
> >scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> >
> >> A far more apropos cause of obesity is the modern
> >> sedentary lifestyle which is due to TV and the
> >> relative lack of strenuous employment opportunities.
> >
> >	Sounds plausible, except that I have a sedentary lifestyle and a
> >28" waist.
> >
> 
> Ok.  Throw genetics into the mix.

<trys eugenicist hat on>
	So all we have to do to end obesity forever is prevent the fat
ones from breeding.
<throws hat away in disgust>

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#162386

From	mausg@mail.com
Date	2016-04-13 18:09 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnngt2pl.184.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to	#162381

On 2016-04-13, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:48:29 GMT
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>> >On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:07:07 GMT
>> >scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>> >
>> >> A far more apropos cause of obesity is the modern
>> >> sedentary lifestyle which is due to TV and the
>> >> relative lack of strenuous employment opportunities.
>> >
>> >	Sounds plausible, except that I have a sedentary lifestyle and a
>> >28" waist.
>> >
>> 
>> Ok.  Throw genetics into the mix.
>
><trys eugenicist hat on>
> 	So all we have to do to end obesity forever is prevent the fat
> ones from breeding.
><throws hat away in disgust>
>

iN distant parts of the Internet, there are groups that swap pictures
of ordinary sized men having sex with very fat women (And, I suppose,
other areas where the opposite happens.) Very Large Ladies are appreciated
in Africa. African women call European women " Stick-insects"
That botswana lady detective books.

I visited a friend in an asylum once, and was amazed at the girls suffering
from anorexia, with a nurse sitting beside the bed making sure they didn't 
vomit up the food. Anyone calling another human `fat',. I dislike.

-- 
greymaus

iD|marrA Raa|fLa 
Ireland

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