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Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer Programming?

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: Which Books Can You Recommend For Learning Computer Programming?
Date	2016-04-21 20:44 +1000
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"Morten Reistzd" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
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> In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1604151414130.17695@darkstar.example.org>,
> Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Walter Bushell wrote:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.317751437839b71198a0c5@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, helicopter parenting and parental fear of the big bad world does
>>>> that.  I suspect that in the modern world my parents would have been
>>>> arrested for letting me do the sorts of things that I and my friends
>>>> did.  I suspect that if they knew, _they_ would have been horrified.
>>>
>>> Good thing they didn't find out then. Small children need to do things
>>> that would horrify there parents for normal development. Many adults
>>> completely forget their childhood, apparently.
>>>
>>Babies and small children are hackers, they learn about the world through
>>experience.  They are even able to figure out how to talk, so long as they
>>get spoken to enough.  There, the teacher is the relationship, a need to
>>communicate with this young being, so adults talk to the kids and they
>>learn from it.
>>
>>When I spent a lot of time with the daughter of a friend decades ago, I
>>realized I wasn't willing to stop her from exploring, but I was terrified
>>that something would happen to her.  So I interacted with her on a very
>>deep basis, if she wanted to climb up and see something, I'd be there to
>>catch her if she needed it.  It was the same once she could walk, she was
>>fascinated by stairs.  So I let her walk, and I was always on the step
>>below her, in case she fell.
>>
>>There's a difference between stopping them from doing things, and putting
>>a net under them.
>>
>>When she was older, we were at the playground one time, and she climbed to
>>the top of the climbing bars, and looked towards me, one time I wasn't
>>paying so much attention.  And I realized she was going to jump, and since
>>she was doing it by herself (nobody else around to talk her into doing
>>something she wasn't prepared for), I didn't say anything.  She jumped and
>>all was fine. Though 25 years or so later, I still sort of think about how
>>might have turned different, there was always the slight possibility that
>>she'd break an arm or a leg, then I'd have to explain it to her mother.
>>But she was being careful, and that's the best that can be.

> I grew up in the 1960s,

I grew up a bit before you.

> and we generally roamed free,

We roamed completely free, just
had to be back for dinner etc.

> but in a quite limited area we were told never to leave.

Never had anything like that at all.

> But we had a full farm and small forest within the area.
> We climbed every tree that was climbable. diverted the
> little stream and put a little homemade turbine in it,

We roamed around the north side of Sydney Harbour,
spending quite a bit of the time shunting logs around
in the shallower water.

> were generally scared of the cows that roamed around.

We harassed the sheep when were on the edge
of Canberra later and went fazed by the cattle
or horses or any of the wildlife either.

> At least some neighbour could probably see us at all times,

That wasn’t true of us.

> but we were never closely supervised.

We weren't supervised at all, the parents just
made sure we could swim quite early and
encouraged us to swim a mile etc later.

> And around half the kids in my class broke an arm
> or a leg at some time from 2nd to 6th grade.

Yeah, same with us. Never broke anything myself tho.
Lots scars tho.

> I just had my ankle disjointed in a football match.
> At the hospital they just gave me a large shot of morphine
> and two medical students snapped it back into place.

> None of this was anything out of the ordinary then.

> We were lucky to have that upbringing.

Plenty of kids still do. I prefer to walk for exercise
in the scrub outside town and have come across
a few kids out on their own roaming around.
One was obviously wagging high school.

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