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| Started by | undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> |
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| First post | 2021-07-07 12:28 -0700 |
| Last post | 2021-07-16 01:51 +0000 |
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Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-07 12:28 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-07 20:48 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-07 16:40 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-13 15:25 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-07-13 23:28 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-14 00:22 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2021-07-13 21:00 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-14 02:41 -0300
Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 05:57 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-14 18:53 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-07 20:42 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-07 23:25 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-13 15:23 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Robert Netzlof <rnetzlof@gmail.com> - 2021-07-14 12:43 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:10 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-07-13 23:17 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-13 19:28 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-07-14 11:33 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-14 13:06 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-08-17 12:47 -0500
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-08-17 20:27 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-14 10:12 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-14 19:29 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-14 18:40 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-14 16:47 -0300
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-14 18:18 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-16 02:26 -0300
Re: Chip shortage--use relays greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-07-15 19:36 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-ugr-this> - 2021-07-15 07:27 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-15 14:04 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-15 20:43 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-16 10:56 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-07-15 20:46 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-16 02:53 -0300
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-16 08:08 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-16 13:20 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-16 16:27 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 16:32 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-16 16:49 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-16 19:14 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:54 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 22:40 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-07-16 17:28 -0300
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-16 22:40 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:41 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-odi-this> - 2021-07-17 07:18 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-16 10:56 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:51 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-07-16 19:51 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-17 07:06 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-17 14:42 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-17 17:29 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-07-18 07:52 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:47 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-20 20:13 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-07-17 20:39 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-18 06:28 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-18 07:46 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-18 07:45 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 11:15 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 11:18 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 14:08 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-07-18 19:41 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 16:08 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 16:43 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-18 23:19 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-r25-this> - 2021-07-19 08:26 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-19 16:50 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-19 18:13 +0100
Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-19 18:51 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-07-20 18:05 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-f2b-this> - 2021-07-20 07:36 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-20 16:17 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-19 20:13 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-18 16:30 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-18 01:53 -0500
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2021-07-18 08:25 -0600
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:45 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-21 17:30 -0500
Re: Chip shortage--use relays greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-07-22 10:46 +0000
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2021-07-15 11:09 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2021-07-15 22:07 -0500
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:09 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-16 17:25 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-17 07:09 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-17 07:11 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-07-17 11:48 -0400
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-20 11:52 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-16 11:49 -0700
Re: Chip shortage--use relays John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-07-16 01:51 +0000
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-08-17 20:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210817202749.b69c87069e72bd553eae5d8f@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218592 |
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 12:47:47 -0500 drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) wrote: > Several rounds with vendor support. Vendor engineer finally pipes up, > "but that's one in a million". Friend does quick arithmetic and replies > "so, about every 17 seconds on my network." Extended silence. "Oh." > > Everything has a scale. Yep it's been a long time since one in a million was rare enough to ignore. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-07-14 10:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c14e3613-9be9-49ac-b3b9-094960af2a06n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #218286 |
On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 1:28:28 PM UTC-6, undefined Hancock-4 wrote: > But here's a solution. Instead of funky unreliable computer chips, > how about solid durable relays? Multiple vendors to choose from. It is true that people had automobiles before computers were invented. So, while relays can't replace the transistor - or even the vacuum tube - for doing numerical calculations at high speed, perhaps they could meet the simpler requirements of automobile manufacturers. However, the cars that didn't have chips in them... date from before modern fuel economy and emissions requirements. John Savard
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-07-14 19:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210714192908.9f319017a39e8cad0d70bbff@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218395 |
On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 10:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 1:28:28 PM UTC-6, undefined Hancock-4 wrote: > > > But here's a solution. Instead of funky unreliable computer chips, > > how about solid durable relays? Multiple vendors to choose from. > > It is true that people had automobiles before computers were invented. > > So, while relays can't replace the transistor - or even the vacuum tube - > for doing numerical calculations at high speed, perhaps they could meet > the simpler requirements of automobile manufacturers. Hmm simpler - not so sure about that. A modern car engine management controller is quite a complex beast with a lot of sensors and several control points. > However, the cars that didn't have chips in them... date from before > modern fuel economy and emissions requirements. Yep. OTOH a *really* modern car with batteries and electric motors might well be simple enough to run with relays - if it weren't for the requirement for an infotainment system (ye gods my spell checker knows that mess of a word). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-07-14 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <scnb2k0ves@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #218395 |
On 2021-07-14, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 1:28:28 PM UTC-6, undefined Hancock-4 > wrote: > >> But here's a solution. Instead of funky unreliable computer chips, >> how about solid durable relays? Multiple vendors to choose from. > > It is true that people had automobiles before computers were invented. > > So, while relays can't replace the transistor - or even the vacuum > tube - for doing numerical calculations at high speed, perhaps they > could meet the simpler requirements of automobile manufacturers. > > However, the cars that didn't have chips in them... date from before > modern fuel economy and emissions requirements. Forget fuel economy and emissions requirements - they're trivial compared to the real driver for chips - infotainment systems to keep you distracted, backup cameras and lane drift detection and automatic braking to save your ass now that you're distracted... I dread the day my 2007 Civic gives up the ghost. I just pray that I'll be able to find a car that will shut up and do what I tell it. Maybe it's time to get into vintage cars... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2021-07-14 16:47 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87bl74iso5.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #218397 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > Forget fuel economy and emissions requirements - they're trivial > compared to the real driver for chips - infotainment systems to > keep you distracted, backup cameras and lane drift detection and > automatic braking to save your ass now that you're distracted... > > I dread the day my 2007 Civic gives up the ghost. I just pray > that I'll be able to find a car that will shut up and do what > I tell it. Maybe it's time to get into vintage cars... My feeling, too. I'd go for a 1970s Land Rover, fully restored on a stainless or galvanized frame -- about the same price as a low-end new car. Only I'm too old to change a tie rod end in a snowbank or replace a defective carb float or fuel pump in the rain -- the kind of thing I routinely did until a decade or so ago. And where do I find a good mechanic who even knows what a carburetor is? I'm almost 80 and don't have the stamina or limberness to spend a day crawling around under or bending over cars. In 1968, a Blond Babe came into the shop with am early '30s Chevrolet that had braking only on one wheel. We had no idea how to fix it. Except! We had one mechanic who was 80 years old that year. He announced that he had worked on that model when they were new, knew just what to do to repair an all-mechanical, non-hydraulic braking system. He even owned obsolete tools needed for the job. Took him two days but it was working perfectaly when he was done. Wish I had his stamina! General consumer goods may have deteriorated in quality across the board but cars have improved enormously. Fifty years ago, a car that hit 100,000 miles was a rare specimen and ones that needed expensive major work by 40,000 mi. were commonplace. No longer true. So I fear that if/when my now very reliable Toy Ota becomes unreliable, I'll be obliged to be assimilated by the auto-borg. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-07-14 18:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b83f1bd2-9243-4f9b-9069-f619fa18fd7cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #218399 |
On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 1:50:25 PM UTC-6, Mike Spencer wrote: > I'm almost 80 and don't have the stamina or limberness to spend a day > crawling around under or bending over cars. In 1968, a Blond Babe > came into the shop with am early '30s Chevrolet that had braking only > on one wheel. We had no idea how to fix it. Except! We had one > mechanic who was 80 years old that year. He announced that he had > worked on that model when they were new, knew just what to do to > repair an all-mechanical, non-hydraulic braking system. He even owned > obsolete tools needed for the job. Took him two days but it was > working perfectaly when he was done. Wish I had his stamina! She was very fortunate to have come to the right place. John Savard
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 02:26 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <8735sej0d3.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #218402 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes: > On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 1:50:25 PM UTC-6, Mike Spencer wrote: > >> In 1968, a Blond Babe came into the shop with am early '30s >> Chevrolet that had braking only on one wheel. We had no idea how to >> fix it. Except! We had one mechanic who was 80 years old that >> year. He announced that he had worked on that model when they were >> new, knew just what to do to repair an all-mechanical, >> non-hydraulic braking system. He even owned obsolete tools needed >> for the job. Took him two days but it was working perfectaly when >> he was done. Wish I had his stamina! > > She was very fortunate to have come to the right place. We were the shop, in a college town with crazy students and eccentric professors, that worked on all the weird cars, viz. all the "foreign" ones (back when "foreign car" meant something.) So the gas station that failed her safety inspection sent her straight to us. Normally, we turned away "domestic" cars but we cheerfully made an exception for that one. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | greymaus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2021-07-15 19:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsf13if.680.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #218399 |
On 2021-07-14, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > >> Forget fuel economy and emissions requirements - they're trivial >> compared to the real driver for chips - infotainment systems to >> keep you distracted, backup cameras and lane drift detection and >> automatic braking to save your ass now that you're distracted... >> >> I dread the day my 2007 Civic gives up the ghost. I just pray >> that I'll be able to find a car that will shut up and do what >> I tell it. Maybe it's time to get into vintage cars... > > My feeling, too. I'd go for a 1970s Land Rover, fully restored on a > stainless or galvanized frame -- about the same price as a low-end new I wouldn't and I had one. Sand in the brake disks caused eithe loud or quiet shreeching, the brakes needed constant adjusting, etc. An excellent drive, until the night that the TV died, and without calculating what it meant I headed for the neares TV Box shifter, about 30 miles away, an hours drive there and bac. Next was a Daihatsu, whci i did not keep greased, and then back to a LR, excellent machine, with a five cylinder Austrian Engine. Now a Honda. Never drive anything else again. > car. Only I'm too old to change a tie rod end in a snowbank or > replace a defective carb float or fuel pump in the rain -- the kind of > thing I routinely did until a decade or so ago. And where do I find a > good mechanic who even knows what a carburetor is? > > I'm almost 80 and don't have the stamina or limberness to spend a day > crawling around under or bending over cars. In 1968, a Blond Babe > came into the shop with am early '30s Chevrolet that had braking only > on one wheel. We had no idea how to fix it. Except! We had one > mechanic who was 80 years old that year. He announced that he had > worked on that model when they were new, knew just what to do to > repair an all-mechanical, non-hydraulic braking system. He even owned > obsolete tools needed for the job. Took him two days but it was > working perfectaly when he was done. Wish I had his stamina! > There are two antique car clubs in the area, and there is no love lost between them, I think. One has meetings at Durrow, Co. Leix. I don't know if they happen in the lockdowns, but it is a beautiful drive, to see neautiful cars! -- greymausg@mail.com Down the wrong maushole.
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| From | "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-ugr-this> |
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| Date | 2021-07-15 07:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <60F05CF8.69.news.afc@realitycheckbbs.org> |
| In reply to | #218397 |
To: Charlie Gibbs
-=> Charlie Gibbs wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-
CG> I dread the day my 2007 Civic gives up the ghost. I just pray
CG> that I'll be able to find a car that will shut up and do what
CG> I tell it. Maybe it's time to get into vintage cars...
I've got my eye on a 1985 Mercedes 300D turbodiesel near me; with 186,000
miles, a mechanical fuel injection system and limited electronics it's
probably got a good half-million miles left in it.
kurt weiske | kweiske at realitycheckbbs dot org
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-07-15 14:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1445238758.648075744.506257.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #218403 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:27:00 -0700, Kurt Weiske wrote: >> >> To: Charlie Gibbs >> -=> Charlie Gibbs wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=- >> >>> I dread the day my 2007 Civic gives up the ghost. I just pray >>> that I'll be able to find a car that will shut up and do what >>> I tell it. Maybe it's time to get into vintage cars... >> >> I've got my eye on a 1985 Mercedes 300D turbodiesel near me; with 186,000 >> miles, a mechanical fuel injection system and limited electronics it's >> probably got a good half-million miles left in it. > > 186,000 miles is nothing for a almost 40 year old car. That'll be just > 5,000 a year. I’ve got close to that on my 16yo Accord. > > Dad of my girlfriend back in the mid/late 80s in Germany had a 200 (90 > horsepower 2 liter gas engine with carburetor), built 1980. In 1988 I > went from Germany on holiday to Spain (round trip of about 3,500 > kilometers or more (more than 2,000 miles). Was in already bad shape for > an 8 year old "German quality" car. Rust everywhere, but the engine still > fine. In 1989 my girlfriend opted to total it (thank God she and the > others weren't hurt, especially because it hadn't airbags). I remember it > had over 200,000 kilometers on the clock by then. Might have had another > 5-10 years until the shell might finally have fallen apart. > > Dunno about Mercedes' quality today. But there are still a lot of Toyotas > or Hondas on the roads from 2000 or so which look like new (apart from > the 20 year old design). There are also a lot of Mercedes around, but > those are mainly newer models (2010-ish or so). Can't remember to have > seen many older models here in Canada. -- Pete
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 00:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <scqi6901pn9@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #218407 |
On 2021-07-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:27:00 -0700, Kurt Weiske wrote: >> >>> To: Charlie Gibbs >>> -=> Charlie Gibbs wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=- >>> >>>> I dread the day my 2007 Civic gives up the ghost. I just pray >>>> that I'll be able to find a car that will shut up and do what >>>> I tell it. Maybe it's time to get into vintage cars... >>> >>> I've got my eye on a 1985 Mercedes 300D turbodiesel near me; with 186,000 >>> miles, a mechanical fuel injection system and limited electronics it's >>> probably got a good half-million miles left in it. >> >> 186,000 miles is nothing for a almost 40 year old car. That'll be just >> 5,000 a year. > > I’ve got close to that on my 16yo Accord. I put 250,000 km on a 1984 Civic, and might still be driving it if it wasn't totaled in a collision. Our 1998 CR-V (the only vehicle we've ever bought brand-new) had 518,000 km on it when the transmission died; we still ask ourselves whether we should have just put in a new one rather than letting it go, since the body was still in good shape. (We still see some around, usually with about 275,000 km on them.) The 2007 Civic I bought to replace it had 100,000 km on it at the time; it's now up to 230,000 and still going strong. Yes, we're Honda people (my wife had a 1981 Civic when we met). -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-07-15 20:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87im1bnl4y.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218408 |
On 16 Jul 2021 00:00:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > On 2021-07-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:27:00 -0700, Kurt Weiske wrote: >> >>> 186,000 miles is nothing for a almost 40 year old car. That'll be just >>> 5,000 a year. >> >> I’ve got close to that on my 16yo Accord. > > I put 250,000 km on a 1984 Civic, and might still be driving it if > it wasn't totaled in a collision. Our 1998 CR-V (the only vehicle > we've ever bought brand-new) had 518,000 km on it when the transmission > died; we still ask ourselves whether we should have just put in a new > one rather than letting it go, since the body was still in good shape. > (We still see some around, usually with about 275,000 km on them.) > The 2007 Civic I bought to replace it had 100,000 km on it at the > time; it's now up to 230,000 and still going strong. When I mentioned the trip from Germany to Spain 1988 in the 8 year old Mercedes already in a bad shape, I did the same tour 1985 in a Beetle. She was from 1969 - 4 years younger than me - and my first car. Already in a bad shape too. Never saw any 16 year old girl in such a bad shape in the 80s. ;-) She made the round trip, but barely. Probably suffered a lot from the bad bumpy French roads. One headlight frequently fell out, only held by its cables. Funny at night when it suddenly started wobbling, like someone waving a flashlight. Went there with a friend, who just picked up his driving license two days before. I let him drive home from the office. First action was pulling out of the parking lot, only to hit a lamp pole, pushing the bumper into the mudguard. I later drove the first leg. Close to the Swiss border next day he drove. Glad the Autobahn was straight so he could get some experience. Thinking back, what an adventure, having an inexperienced driver learn to drive in a foreign country. Gladly there were no further incidences. > Yes, we're Honda people (my wife had a 1981 Civic when we met). The second car I had was given to me from a friend who lost his driving license, just to drive him to work. Was that year "Walk the dinosaur" was playing on the radio frequently, so it was 1987. He paid gas and all, and when I was not at his "service" I could use it for ever I wanted. A dream come true for a 20 year old without job to drive a car for free. That was a Honda Accord from 1979 (I think). In the three years (until 1990) I drove it there was not a single problem other that the fuel gauge displayed bogus values. Years later I learned both cars were totaled by the owners they were sold to. -- Andreas
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 10:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <555439728.648150629.883794.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #218410 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On 16 Jul 2021 00:00:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >> On 2021-07-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:27:00 -0700, Kurt Weiske wrote: >>> >>>> 186,000 miles is nothing for a almost 40 year old car. That'll be just >>>> 5,000 a year. >>> >>> I’ve got close to that on my 16yo Accord. >> >> I put 250,000 km on a 1984 Civic, and might still be driving it if >> it wasn't totaled in a collision. Our 1998 CR-V (the only vehicle >> we've ever bought brand-new) had 518,000 km on it when the transmission >> died; we still ask ourselves whether we should have just put in a new >> one rather than letting it go, since the body was still in good shape. >> (We still see some around, usually with about 275,000 km on them.) >> The 2007 Civic I bought to replace it had 100,000 km on it at the >> time; it's now up to 230,000 and still going strong. > > When I mentioned the trip from Germany to Spain 1988 in the 8 year old > Mercedes already in a bad shape, I did the same tour 1985 in a > Beetle. She was from 1969 - 4 years younger than me - and my first > car. Already in a bad shape too. Never saw any 16 year old girl in such a > bad shape in the 80s. ;-) She made the round trip, but barely. Probably > suffered a lot from the bad bumpy French roads. One headlight frequently > fell out, only held by its cables. Funny at night when it suddenly > started wobbling, like someone waving a flashlight. Too bad this was before Gorilla glue was invented. > > Went there with a friend, who just picked up his driving license two days > before. I let him drive home from the office. First action was pulling > out of the parking lot, only to hit a lamp pole, pushing the bumper into > the mudguard. I later drove the first leg. Close to the Swiss border next > day he drove. Glad the Autobahn was straight so he could get some > experience. > > Thinking back, what an adventure, having an inexperienced driver learn to > drive in a foreign country. Gladly there were no further incidences. > >> Yes, we're Honda people (my wife had a 1981 Civic when we met). > > The second car I had was given to me from a friend who lost his driving > license, just to drive him to work. Was that year "Walk the dinosaur" was > playing on the radio frequently, so it was 1987. He paid gas and all, and > when I was not at his "service" I could use it for ever I wanted. A dream > come true for a 20 year old without job to drive a car for free. That was > a Honda Accord from 1979 (I think). In the three years (until 1990) I > drove it there was not a single problem other that the fuel gauge > displayed bogus values. > > Years later I learned both cars were totaled by the owners they were sold > to. -- Pete
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| From | songbird <songbird@anthive.com> |
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| Date | 2021-07-15 20:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mf17sh-qec.ln1@anthive.com> |
| In reply to | #218408 |
Charlie Gibbs wrote: ... > I put 250,000 km on a 1984 Civic, and might still be driving it if > it wasn't totaled in a collision. Our 1998 CR-V (the only vehicle > we've ever bought brand-new) had 518,000 km on it when the transmission > died; we still ask ourselves whether we should have just put in a new > one rather than letting it go, since the body was still in good shape. > (We still see some around, usually with about 275,000 km on them.) > The 2007 Civic I bought to replace it had 100,000 km on it at the > time; it's now up to 230,000 and still going strong. > > Yes, we're Honda people (my wife had a 1981 Civic when we met). i had a '97 Civic, basic DX, added air conditioning because i knew i was going to be on the road at times in places where it wasn't cool. only cost an extra $500. i paid $13,500 for it and while it wasn't trouble free it was mostly issues because it was stored outside and the exhaust system would keep rusting out. i had the brakes done a few times and the timing belt changed once and then the regular fluids and oil changes. when i sold it just a few years ago the motor would start right up. i had mouse problems though because it was sitting outside too much and i was hardly driving it. and there was rust starting up that would have needed to be fixed, and the back end was in need of some work and a paint job. sitting outside in the sun that long just didn't do it much good either. still even with the mouse problems, when i put it out for sale at the end of the drive i had someone stop in and ask about it and while i wanted 1400 for it he said 1100 and i wanted it gone so i said ok. but pretty much as soon as i started it up he said he'd take it. it only had about 140,000 miles on it. i haven't seen it driving around but i wondered how he did with it. the big thing that was nice was that he was enough of a mechanic that he could do a lot of work on it himself and that would save a ton of money. the main reason i got rid of it was that i didn't want to put a lot more money into it to fix the problems and still be stuck not driving it much and it still sitting outside. insurance prices are rediculous so it just made no sense to keep it when i was hardly driving it. it was a fun car to drive and i do miss it. songbird
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 02:53 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87y2a6hkj0.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #218408 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > I put 250,000 km on a 1984 Civic, and might still be driving it if > it wasn't totaled in a collision. Our 1998 CR-V (the only vehicle > we've ever bought brand-new) had 518,000 km on it when the transmission > died; we still ask ourselves whether we should have just put in a new > one rather than letting it go, since the body was still in good shape. > (We still see some around, usually with about 275,000 km on them.) > The 2007 Civic I bought to replace it had 100,000 km on it at the > time; it's now up to 230,000 and still going strong. Straying further OT... The mechanic of whom I wrote in another post who was 80 years old and still working in 1968 spent most of his adult life with a single employer. He was chauffeur and mechanic for a rich woman who bought a new car and employed him to drive it. The car (I'm sorry that I don't recall the marque) had a white summer body and black winter body. Old Pete (who wasn't old then) swapped them seasonally and did any needed refurbishment on the one not in use. When there was no driving to do, his only responsibility was to maintain the car and he did so meticulously for decades. He said that she'd call him and say, "I want to go to Florida tomorrow" and he'd drive her straight through to Florida from New England with no overnights. That's a hard slog on the interstates now, never mind on the roads of the '20s or '30s. Pete said that the greatest disappointment of his life was that his employer died when he had driven that car well over 900,000 miles and he really, really wanted to be able to say he'd driven it a million miles! -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 08:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <874kcuo40u.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218415 |
On 16 Jul 2021 02:53:23 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: > > He said that she'd call him and say, "I want to go to Florida > tomorrow" and he'd drive her straight through to Florida from New > England with no overnights. That's a hard slog on the interstates now, > never mind on the roads of the '20s or '30s. Also if you just compare the 1980s to today. As mentioned I was going to Spain in the 1980s with my ex girlfriend. Was talking to the brother of my ex a few years ago what an adventure it was (some 1200 miles) and he didn't quite understand, because he recently (2015) also did a similar trip. But his car was a modern Toyota with air condition, GPS and all that modern s**t you have today. Back in 1985 my Beetle had no AC, let alone GPS. Not even power brakes or steering. It was hot (of course, summer in Spain) and the only cooing came from lowering the windows. Kids today don't understand. -- Andreas PGP fingerprint 952B0A9F12C2FD6C9F7E68DAA9C2EA89D1A370E0
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 13:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <scrtif$mrt$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218416 |
On 16/07/2021 13:08, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2021 02:53:23 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>
>> He said that she'd call him and say, "I want to go to Florida
>> tomorrow" and he'd drive her straight through to Florida from New
>> England with no overnights. That's a hard slog on the interstates now,
>> never mind on the roads of the '20s or '30s.
>
> Also if you just compare the 1980s to today.
>
> As mentioned I was going to Spain in the 1980s with my ex girlfriend. Was
> talking to the brother of my ex a few years ago what an adventure it was
> (some 1200 miles) and he didn't quite understand, because he recently
> (2015) also did a similar trip. But his car was a modern Toyota with air
> condition, GPS and all that modern s**t you have today. Back in 1985 my
> Beetle had no AC, let alone GPS. Not even power brakes or steering. It
> was hot (of course, summer in Spain) and the only cooing came from
> lowering the windows.
>
> Kids today don't understand.
>
Especially when there were only landline telephones with
rotary dials ...
Interview for a secretarial position ...
Well, Miss, do you use a Diktaphone?
... No, I use a pencil.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 16:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87eebym2bl.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218417 |
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 13:20:29 +0100, gareth evans wrote: > > On 16/07/2021 13:08, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> >> Kids today don't understand. >> > > Especially when there were only landline telephones with > rotary dials ... That was the case in Germany until the 1990s. Some "high tech" phones offered from the Monopoly Deutsche Telekom (in the US you might know them as mobile provider today) (and you were not allowed to use any other than devices from the Deutsche Telekom at that time) had buttons! High-Tech. But they still used pulse-dial, because the German telephone exchanges were still analog until the early/mid 1990s. -- Andreas PGP fingerprint 952B0A9F12C2FD6C9F7E68DAA9C2EA89D1A370E0
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 16:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <scscbh04lp@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #218416 |
On 2021-07-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On 16 Jul 2021 02:53:23 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: > >> He said that she'd call him and say, "I want to go to Florida >> tomorrow" and he'd drive her straight through to Florida from New >> England with no overnights. That's a hard slog on the interstates now, >> never mind on the roads of the '20s or '30s. > > Also if you just compare the 1980s to today. > > As mentioned I was going to Spain in the 1980s with my ex girlfriend. Was > talking to the brother of my ex a few years ago what an adventure it was > (some 1200 miles) and he didn't quite understand, because he recently > (2015) also did a similar trip. But his car was a modern Toyota with air > condition, GPS and all that modern s**t you have today. Back in 1985 my > Beetle had no AC, let alone GPS. Not even power brakes or steering. It > was hot (of course, summer in Spain) and the only cooing came from > lowering the windows. One thing I really miss is vents that directed ram air into the cabin. If you're not stuck in a traffic jam, that took care of most of the cases where today you have no alternative but to use air conditioning. Some cars with that little extra pane at the front of the side window (I don't know the offical name, we called them "no-drafts") let you pivot it far enough that it directed air in as well. More natural, less thermal shock. > Kids today don't understand. An automotive version of the Four Yorkshiremen...? -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2021-07-16 16:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ildrk9Fna39U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #218418 |
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:32:49 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Some cars with that little extra pane at the front of the side window (I > don't know the offical name, we called them "no-drafts") We called them 'quarter lights'. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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