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| Started by | Lev <thresh3@fastmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-03-30 19:12 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-03-31 22:19 +0000 |
| Articles | 17 on this page of 137 — 24 participants |
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Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lev <thresh3@fastmail.com> - 2026-03-30 19:12 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-03-30 21:01 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-30 21:02 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-31 00:44 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-31 19:46 +0000
Re: TSS, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-31 20:48 +0000
Re: TSS, Self-hosting and the 6502 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-01 23:23 +0000
Re: TSS, Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-02 10:53 +0000
Re: TSS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-02 07:29 -0700
Re: TSS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-04-02 16:58 +0000
Re: TSS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-02 20:34 +0000
Re: TSS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-04-02 20:53 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-31 21:01 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-03 16:53 -1000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-04 03:57 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-04 07:37 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-04-04 21:55 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-04 15:48 -0700
Re: ancient time sharingSelf-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-04-05 02:27 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-04 22:03 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-04 12:31 -1000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-04 07:40 -1000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-04-04 13:44 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 (VSCP) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-04-05 20:23 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-04 12:53 -1000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-04 23:44 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-05 09:29 +0100
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-04-05 19:22 +0000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-05 14:30 -1000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-05 20:02 -0700
history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-11 09:05 -0300
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-11 16:49 +0200
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-11 15:58 +0100
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-11 13:38 -0300
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-11 19:41 +0200
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-11 19:18 +0100
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-11 21:27 +0200
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-11 21:13 +0000
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-09-12 14:47 -1000
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-13 15:02 -0700
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-13 16:27 -0700
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-09-14 15:11 -1000
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 04:19 +0000
Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-13 14:56 -0700
Re: Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 04:10 +0000
Re: Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-15 05:46 -0700
Re: Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-15 07:51 -0700
Re: Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:22 +0000
Re: Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:13 +0000
Re: Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-15 16:48 +0200
Re: Computes at CERN (Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX ) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 08:19 -0700
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-09-12 14:13 -1000
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-09-12 14:12 -1000
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-13 14:02 -0300
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-13 18:55 +0100
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-13 19:03 +0100
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-13 19:07 +0100
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-13 16:21 -0700
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 00:37 +0100
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-13 20:56 -0700
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-14 04:12 +0000
Re: history of ASCII and IBM ratfucking, and the VAX (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-09-14 15:06 -1000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-06 01:42 +0000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-05 20:05 -0700
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 07:03 +0000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-05 22:19 -1000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-06 08:20 +0000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-06 12:03 +0000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-06 07:30 -0700
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-06 07:39 -1000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-06 12:05 -0700
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-04-06 17:41 -1000
position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-11 09:42 -0300
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-09-12 15:12 -1000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-13 01:57 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-12 21:14 -0700
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2026-09-17 17:06 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-17 17:56 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2026-09-18 14:08 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 19:29 +0100
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 12:00 -0700
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-18 20:35 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-09-17 11:32 -0700
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-13 07:31 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-13 07:45 -0700
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-13 16:50 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-13 16:18 -0700
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 04:21 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-15 14:33 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-15 07:37 -0700
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:35 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-09-14 14:41 -1000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-13 01:54 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-13 14:53 -0300
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-09-13 22:18 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-13 16:24 -0700
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-14 01:51 +0000
Re: position-independent code (was Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 14:53 +0000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-04-06 19:21 +0000
Re: CMS, Self-hosting and the 6502 David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-06 21:25 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-31 02:32 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-03-31 04:06 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-03-31 08:52 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-03-31 18:07 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-30 13:51 -0700
Re: TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-31 00:58 +0000
Re: TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-31 07:35 -0700
Re: TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-31 14:54 +0000
Re: TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-31 13:01 -0700
Re: TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 22:14 +0000
Re: TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-04-01 02:06 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-04-01 09:53 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-01 16:07 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-04-01 16:27 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-04-01 16:10 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2026-04-01 17:15 +0100
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-04-01 16:28 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-01 16:48 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-04-01 17:44 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-04-01 14:21 -0700
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-01 20:40 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-01 22:02 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2026-04-02 15:28 +0100
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-04-02 15:36 +0000
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2026-04-02 17:15 +0100
Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-04-02 16:44 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-30 21:30 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-03-30 23:28 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-30 23:36 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 07:46 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-31 15:54 +0100
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-31 19:03 +0000
Re: VM history, was Self-hosting and the 6502 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-31 01:04 +0000
Re: VM history, was Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 22:17 +0000
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-30 15:36 -0700
Re: Self-hosting and the 6502 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-03-31 22:19 +0000
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 14:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <10qk29d$ipcc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234546 |
On 4/1/26 09:48, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> writes: >> On Wed, 01 Apr 2026 17:15:19 +0100, Andy Walker wrote: >> >>> On 01/04/2026 10:53, Bob Eager wrote: >>>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2026 02:06:34 +0000, John Levine wrote: >>> [Linkers and Loaders:] >>>>> When I wrote the book proposal in 1999 (yes, that long ago) part of >>>>> the>> pitch was that there had been linkers and loaders since the late >>>>> 1940s but there'd never been more than the occasional article or >>>>> chapter. So either this was the book that the world had been awaiting >>>>> for half a century, or this will prove that there is no market for it. >>>>> It kind of did both, never selling huge numbers but still in print. >>>> There had been an entire book, but it was only a monograph really. I >>>> can't find a mention online, but I have a copy. >>> >>> David Barron's 1068 monograph? This is called "Assemblers and >>> Loaders", but it does include a chapter on "Loaders and Linkage >>> Editors". >> >> That's the one. I didn't quite remember the title correctly. I had to go >> and find it! > > https://archive.org/details/assemblersloader0000barr/page/n1/mode/2up > Thanks!
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 20:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <10qjvsf$i3m5$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234543 |
On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 17:15:19 +0100, Andy Walker wrote: > David Barron's 1068 monograph? This is called "Assemblers and > Loaders", but it does include a chapter on "Loaders and Linkage > Editors". How about Ulrich Drepper’s 47-page document on “How To Write Shared Libraries”, written a couple of decades ago? He is/was the principal maintainer of GNU libc. So he goes into issues like versioning and backward compatibility, which is a lot more important on Linux systems today than it was back on computer systems of, say, the 1980s.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 22:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <vBgzR.66428$pL1.8883@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #234553 |
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 17:15:19 +0100, Andy Walker wrote: > >> David Barron's 1068 monograph? This is called "Assemblers and >> Loaders", but it does include a chapter on "Loaders and Linkage >> Editors". > >How about Ulrich Drepper’s 47-page document on “How To Write Shared >Libraries”, written a couple of decades ago? He is/was the principal >maintainer of GNU libc. So he goes into issues like versioning and >backward compatibility, which is a lot more important on Linux systems >today than it was back on computer systems of, say, the 1980s. Linux implemented the System V Release 4 dynamic shared objects, which supported both versioning and backward compatability long before linux supported more than the simple a.out format. ELF, for example, was the standard format for executables, object files and shared objects in SVR4 (1989ish). It was eventually adopted by linux and is still used today. Some of the SVR4 dynamic shared object implementation originated in SunOS. SVR3 had static shared libraries, which were difficult to use effectively. The Burroughs B5500 and descendents innovated shared libraries in the early 1960s, and the HP-3000 also leveraged shared libraries very effectively and architecturally (not surprising given the Burroughs heritage of some of the HP-3000 design team). Both systems had hardware segmentation capabilities, which provided code isolation.
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| From | Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-04-02 15:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <10qlue1$tnm9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234543 |
On 01/04/2026 17:15, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 01/04/2026 10:53, Bob Eager wrote:
>> There had been an entire book, but it was only a monograph really. I can't
>> find a mention online, but I have a copy.
> David Barron's 1068 monograph? This is called "Assemblers and
> Loaders", [...].
I don't suppose anyone was deceived, but in the interests of
accuracy, the publication date was not /that/ early! Typo for "1968".
[I find that I now do so little actual typing, as opposed to dabbing,
that typos now abound in what I type, and are difficult to spot in the
typeface that my monitor uses and with the eyes that my head uses.]
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Smith
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-04-02 15:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <l2wzR.138531$WE1.2348@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #234574 |
Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> writes: >On 01/04/2026 17:15, Andy Walker wrote: >> On 01/04/2026 10:53, Bob Eager wrote: >>> There had been an entire book, but it was only a monograph really. I can't >>> find a mention online, but I have a copy. >> David Barron's 1068 monograph? This is called "Assemblers and >> Loaders", [...]. > I don't suppose anyone was deceived, but in the interests of >accuracy, the publication date was not /that/ early! Typo for "1968". >[I find that I now do so little actual typing, as opposed to dabbing, >that typos now abound in what I type, and are difficult to spot in the >typeface that my monitor uses and with the eyes that my head uses.] Well, 1066 is a notable date in your neck of the woods...
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| From | Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-04-02 17:15 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <10qm4ng$tnm9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234579 |
On 02/04/2026 16:36, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> writes:
>>> David Barron's 1068 monograph? [...].
>> I don't suppose anyone was deceived, but in the interests of
>> accuracy, the publication date was not /that/ early! Typo for "1968".
> Well, 1066 is a notable date in your neck of the woods...
1966 was similarly notable .... [In more than my neck!]
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Smith
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2026-04-02 16:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: linkers, TSS arcana, Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <10qm6ci$kbt$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #234579 |
In article <l2wzR.138531$WE1.2348@fx08.iad>, Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> writes: >>On 01/04/2026 17:15, Andy Walker wrote: >>> On 01/04/2026 10:53, Bob Eager wrote: >>>> There had been an entire book, but it was only a monograph really. I can't >>>> find a mention online, but I have a copy. >>> David Barron's 1068 monograph? This is called "Assemblers and >>> Loaders", [...]. >> I don't suppose anyone was deceived, but in the interests of >>accuracy, the publication date was not /that/ early! Typo for "1968". >>[I find that I now do so little actual typing, as opposed to dabbing, >>that typos now abound in what I type, and are difficult to spot in the >>typeface that my monitor uses and with the eyes that my head uses.] > >Well, 1066 is a notable date in your neck of the woods... I had a friend in high school who's address was 1066 Saxon Dr. I always thought that was kind of funny. - Dan C.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-30 21:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10qeq1l$2qded$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234452 |
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 19:12:24 -0000 (UTC), Lev wrote: > So CP/67 started as a way to stop people fighting over machine time > - basically a scheduling problem. And then it turned out that the > solution (just give everyone their own virtual machine) was general > enough to outlast the original problem. That still couldn’t offer much in the way of sharing facilities, like a true multiuser system (such as Unix and the DEC ones) was able to manage. In the IBM system, communication between users would have required communication between VMs. In other words, a (virtual) peer-to-peer network. But IBM didn’t have anything like that for close to another two decades. You see why I refer to IBM’s system as a “hack”?
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| From | David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-30 23:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10qetdj$279ul$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234460 |
On 30/03/2026 22:30, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 19:12:24 -0000 (UTC), Lev wrote: > >> So CP/67 started as a way to stop people fighting over machine time >> - basically a scheduling problem. And then it turned out that the >> solution (just give everyone their own virtual machine) was general >> enough to outlast the original problem. > > That still couldn’t offer much in the way of sharing facilities, like > a true multiuser system (such as Unix and the DEC ones) was able to > manage. > > In the IBM system, communication between users would have required > communication between VMs. In other words, a (virtual) peer-to-peer > network. But IBM didn’t have anything like that for close to another > two decades. Depends on what you mean "close to that". The VMCF facility provided a transport, but there wasn't much that used it until TCP/IP .... ... but users could send messages and files to each other, and between machines which was sufficient..... > > You see why I refer to IBM’s system as a “hack”? It was what it was. Dave
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-30 23:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10qf1df$2t6ig$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234462 |
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:28:03 +0100, David Wade wrote: > It was what it was. That means what it means. A phrase popularized by a man whose utterances are often dangerously close to Wernicke’s aphasia.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 07:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260331074644.000024ad@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #234467 |
On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:36:16 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > It was what it was. > > That means what it means. > > A phrase popularized by a man whose utterances are often dangerously > close to Wernicke’s aphasia. I've often thought that that phrase is as close as you could possibly get to a literally content-free sentence while maintaining a non-zero wordcount.
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| From | snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 15:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1rsuenk.sj91uf1rc9jztN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #234489 |
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:36:16 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > > > It was what it was. > > > > That means what it means. > > > > A phrase popularized by a man whose utterances are often dangerously > > close to Wernicke's aphasia. > > I've often thought that that phrase is as close as you could possibly > get to a literally content-free sentence while maintaining a non-zero > wordcount. # You Are What You Is --FZ -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe, bird-brain. My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 19:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tUUyR.1572566$At07.86337@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #234489 |
On 2026-03-31, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:36:16 -0000 (UTC)
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> It was what it was.
>>
>> That means what it means.
>>
>> A phrase popularized by a man whose utterances are often dangerously
>> close to Wernicke’s aphasia.
>
> I've often thought that that phrase is as close as you could possibly
> get to a literally content-free sentence while maintaining a non-zero
> wordcount.
He can compress the most words into the
smallest ideas of any man I ever met.
-- Abraham Lincoln
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 01:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: VM history, was Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <10qf6ji$2u8s$3@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #234462 |
According to David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>: >> In the IBM system, communication between users would have required >> communication between VMs. In other words, a (virtual) peer-to-peer >> network. But IBM didn’t have anything like that for close to another >> two decades. > >Depends on what you mean "close to that". The VMCF facility provided a >transport, but there wasn't much that used it until TCP/IP .... >... but users could send messages and files to each other, and between >machines which was sufficient..... You could hook the virtual card punch in one machine to the virtual reader in another through a virtual card chute. The RSCS daemon used that to communicate with other processes on the same machine, and over networks to other machines. That was BITNET which grew to 3000 nodes and provided email and a vibrant community of discussion lists in the late 1980s. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 22:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: VM history, was Self-hosting and the 6502 |
| Message-ID | <10qhh5g$2d3$3@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #234471 |
In article <10qf6ji$2u8s$3@gal.iecc.com>, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: >According to David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>: >>> In the IBM system, communication between users would have required >>> communication between VMs. In other words, a (virtual) peer-to-peer >>> network. But IBM didn’t have anything like that for close to another >>> two decades. >> >>Depends on what you mean "close to that". The VMCF facility provided a >>transport, but there wasn't much that used it until TCP/IP .... >>... but users could send messages and files to each other, and between >>machines which was sufficient..... > >You could hook the virtual card punch in one machine to the virtual reader >in another through a virtual card chute. The RSCS daemon used that to >communicate with other processes on the same machine, and over networks >to other machines. That was BITNET which grew to 3000 nodes and provided >email and a vibrant community of discussion lists in the late 1980s. ...and BITNET relays arguably gave rise to IRC and the distributed messaging platforms we see proliferating these days (Discord, Matrix, Slack, Google's myriad of incompatible options and Facbook messanger and etc). - Dan C.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-30 15:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10qetss$2s1bg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234460 |
On 3/30/26 14:30, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 19:12:24 -0000 (UTC), Lev wrote: > >> So CP/67 started as a way to stop people fighting over machine time >> - basically a scheduling problem. And then it turned out that the >> solution (just give everyone their own virtual machine) was general >> enough to outlast the original problem. > > That still couldn’t offer much in the way of sharing facilities, like > a true multiuser system (such as Unix and the DEC ones) was able to > manage. > > In the IBM system, communication between users would have required > communication between VMs. In other words, a (virtual) peer-to-peer > network. But IBM didn’t have anything like that for close to another > two decades. > > You see why I refer to IBM’s system as a “hack”? Depends on what you mean by "communication". You cold exchange files via the spool subsystem. You could send messages. You could share minidisks (dangerously). I implemented a multi-process system in Rexx this way - write a file, send someone a message telling them to process it, delete when done. Not the cleanest model, but it got the job done.
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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 22:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10qhh96$2d3$4@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #234463 |
In article <10qetss$2s1bg$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: >On 3/30/26 14:30, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 19:12:24 -0000 (UTC), Lev wrote: >> >>> So CP/67 started as a way to stop people fighting over machine time >>> - basically a scheduling problem. And then it turned out that the >>> solution (just give everyone their own virtual machine) was general >>> enough to outlast the original problem. >> >> That still couldn’t offer much in the way of sharing facilities, like >> a true multiuser system (such as Unix and the DEC ones) was able to >> manage. >> >> In the IBM system, communication between users would have required >> communication between VMs. In other words, a (virtual) peer-to-peer >> network. But IBM didn’t have anything like that for close to another >> two decades. >> >> You see why I refer to IBM’s system as a “hack”? > >Depends on what you mean by "communication". You cold exchange files via >the spool subsystem. You could send messages. You could share minidisks >(dangerously). I implemented a multi-process system in Rexx this way - >write a file, send someone a message telling them to process it, delete >when done. Not the cleanest model, but it got the job done. Someone wrote 'RELAY EXEC' on the local 3090. The idea was you linked to someone's minidisk read-only, then this program would query CP to get the list of connected users, and ask RSCS to send them messages. It was a sort of primitive intra-machine multiuser chat system, but it worked remarkably well and was very popular with the students (not so much the administrators). - Dan C.
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