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  Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 08:36 -0800
    Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-10 16:52 +0000
      Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 15:23 -0600
        Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 22:56 +0000
    Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-11 13:47 -0800
    Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-11 21:39 -0800
    Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-12 05:53 +0000
      Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 09:59 -0600
        Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-12 10:37 -0600
        Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-12 11:56 -0500
          Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! lynn@garlic.com - 2015-12-14 13:00 -0800
            Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-15 08:19 +0000
              Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-15 09:03 +0000
    Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! David Hume <a10086773@hushmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:26 +0000
      Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-15 12:30 +0000
        Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:37 -0600
          Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 11:26 -0600
            Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-16 14:10 -0500
        Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! David Hume <a10086773@hushmail.com> - 2015-12-16 11:07 +0000
          Re: Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups! Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-16 19:01 +0000

#154961 — Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups!

Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups, please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups.

I ask this because I probably be in future a good programmer famous and I do not want to talk about the topics that I should not have posted here in alt.folklore.computers Google Groups. 

I decided prevent substantial harm to important relationships that probably I will have in future with other developers. 

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#154963

français wrote:

> please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in alt.folklore.computers

OK, consider it done.

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#155066

"Andy Burns" <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:UZqdnQEQa-okMPTLnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
> français wrote:
>
>> please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in 
>> alt.folklore.computers
>
> OK, consider it done.
>

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

   -- Omar Kayyam

In other words, once it's on the internet, you ain't getting it back!!!

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#155081

On 2015-12-11, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

> "Andy Burns" <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:UZqdnQEQa-okMPTLnZ2dnUU78IudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
>
>> français wrote:
>>
>>> please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in 
>>> alt.folklore.computers
>>
>> OK, consider it done.
>
> The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
> Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
> Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
> Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
>
>    -- Omar Kayyam
>
> In other words, once it's on the internet, you ain't getting it back!!!

I always thought Omar Khayyam was describing a system with
no editing capabilities.

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#155073

On Thursday, 10 December 2015 16:36:45 UTC, françai s  wrote:
> . . . please erase all the messages that I not should have posted . . .

It's no good just erasing your messages, if attributed quotes 
from them have been included in other posters' messages.
-- 

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#155089

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 9:36:45 AM UTC-7, françai s wrote:
> Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers

The group alt.folklore.computers is an unmoderated USENET group.

There is a technique you may use to cancel messages which you have posted 
yourself, but it requires good internet access, and may not work for messages 
Google Groups has posted on your behalf.

John Savard

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#155090

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 08:36:42 -0800 (PST)
françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:

> Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups,
> please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in
> alt.folklore.computers Google Groups.

	alt.folklore.computers Google Groups ? This is USENET.

	The most that could be done is to send cancel messages for every
post you have ever made, and then some news servers may delete them, archive
servers such as Google probably won't.

	This is an even sillier request than your similar one in the
FreeBSD mailing lists - it shows a complete lack of understanding of how
mailing lists and USENET work and your repeated requests only serve to
diminish your reputation still further (a difficult feat).

-- 
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C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#155110

On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:53:00 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 08:36:42 -0800 (PST)
>françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups,
>> please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in
>> alt.folklore.computers Google Groups.
>
>	alt.folklore.computers Google Groups ? This is USENET.
>
>	The most that could be done is to send cancel messages for every
>post you have ever made, and then some news servers may delete them, archive
>servers such as Google probably won't.
>
>	This is an even sillier request than your similar one in the
>FreeBSD mailing lists - it shows a complete lack of understanding of how
>mailing lists and USENET work and your repeated requests only serve to
>diminish your reputation still further (a difficult feat).

Before I graduated, and after i worked for the university, we made
sure people knew about mailing lists, listservs, and Usenet. 

For some years now, such information hasn't been given to new Internet
account users.
-- 
JimP.

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#155111

"JimP" wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:53:00 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 08:36:42 -0800 (PST)
>>françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups,
>>> please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in
>>> alt.folklore.computers Google Groups.
>>
>> alt.folklore.computers Google Groups ? This is USENET.
>>
>> The most that could be done is to send cancel messages for every
>>post you have ever made, and then some news servers may delete them, 
>>archive
>>servers such as Google probably won't.
>>
>> This is an even sillier request than your similar one in the
>>FreeBSD mailing lists - it shows a complete lack of understanding of how
>>mailing lists and USENET work and your repeated requests only serve to
>>diminish your reputation still further (a difficult feat).
>
> Before I graduated, and after i worked for the university, we made
> sure people knew about mailing lists, listservs, and Usenet.
>
> For some years now, such information hasn't been given to new Internet
> account users.

I didn't pay much attention to the post but I took it as an attempt at 
humor. 

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#155114

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On Sat, 12 Dec 2015, JimP wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:53:00 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 08:36:42 -0800 (PST)
>> françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Administrators and moderators of alt.folklore.computers Google Groups,
>>> please erase all the messages that I not should have posted here in
>>> alt.folklore.computers Google Groups.
>>
>> 	alt.folklore.computers Google Groups ? This is USENET.
>>
>> 	The most that could be done is to send cancel messages for every
>> post you have ever made, and then some news servers may delete them, archive
>> servers such as Google probably won't.
>>
>> 	This is an even sillier request than your similar one in the
>> FreeBSD mailing lists - it shows a complete lack of understanding of how
>> mailing lists and USENET work and your repeated requests only serve to
>> diminish your reputation still further (a difficult feat).
>
> Before I graduated, and after i worked for the university, we made
> sure people knew about mailing lists, listservs, and Usenet.
>
> For some years now, such information hasn't been given to new Internet
> account users.

That's some of the split.

"In the old days" access was limited, and you'd always go through someone 
who'd give you some basics, or hand you "Zen and the Art of the Internet" 
or "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Internet" or one of those.  Or you'd 
alread read the book.  And of course, going back far enough, the software 
ran at your "ISP" so they could configure it for you.  When I first had 
full internet access, it was late, in 1996, they even had the local 
newsgroup, the local to the "ISP" newsgroup, the one with the FAQs, and so 
on, already subscribed to.

But people come other ways now.  I never heard about "myspace" or 
"facebook" until they were well on their way, so they seemed to vector 
across personal contact (maybe even off internet).  I think that's 
generally what happened, after a certain point, the mass was in a 
different place, and their vison of the internet was different, and they 
passed that on to their friends, who then got online.

Now people can get online without even logging in somewhere, or at lesat 
in a much vaguer sense.  In the modem days, you had to have your own 
account, now you can just plug in to some wifi point.  So unlike the old 
days, there's no entry path.

   Michael

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#155194

in the "old" days ... there use to be a rash of questions every Sept. from freshmen just exposed to Usenet &/or internet for the first time ... looking to get homework done for free. Then initially with rise of AOL ... the homework questions started coming from younger and year around

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#155209

On 2015-12-14, lynn@garlic.com <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:

> in the "old" days ... there use to be a rash of questions every
> Sept. from freshmen just exposed to Usenet &/or internet for the
> first time ... looking to get homework done for free.

Yes, we would cringe when September rolled around.

> Then initially with rise of AOL ... the homework questions started
> coming from younger and year around

This change led to what was known as "eternal September".

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#155211

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:19:46 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2015-12-14, lynn@garlic.com <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
> 
>> in the "old" days ... there use to be a rash of questions every Sept.
>> from freshmen just exposed to Usenet &/or internet for the first time
>> ... looking to get homework done for free.
> 
> Yes, we would cringe when September rolled around.
> 
>> Then initially with rise of AOL ... the homework questions started
>> coming from younger and year around
> 
> This change led to what was known as "eternal September".

And a news server by the same name:

  http://www.eternal-september.org/




-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#155213

françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> writes:

> I decided prevent substantial harm to important relationships that probably I
> will have in future with other developers.

If you set the header X-No-Archive to Yes it stops posts going to google
groups in the first place.

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#155214

David Hume wrote:

> If you set the header X-No-Archive to Yes it stops posts going to google
> groups in the first place.

Not really, they appear on google for 7(?) days, during which time other 
people could reply to them and the quotes won't be deleted.

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#155222

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:30:54 +0000, Andy Burns
<usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>David Hume wrote:
>
>> If you set the header X-No-Archive to Yes it stops posts going to google
>> groups in the first place.
>
>Not really, they appear on google for 7(?) days, during which time other 
>people could reply to them and the quotes won't be deleted.

And there is no law enforcing the no-archive header.

-- 
JimP.

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#155259

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:12:52 +0000, David Hume
<a10086773@hushmail.com> wrote:
>JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> And there is no law enforcing the no-archive header.
>
>Does it need a law? There are standards. I am going to try setting an
>expiry of 0 days to see what happens.

Several years ago, probably about 10 years ago, several people on
Usenet tried to claim it was a law. They were shocked that their posts
could be archived and they couldn't force people to not archive or
force hem to delete their precious posts. I don't remember them
posting anything conti tious or all that important. Evidenty their
egos didn't see it that way.

-- 
JimP.

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#155264

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015, JimP wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:12:52 +0000, David Hume
> <a10086773@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> And there is no law enforcing the no-archive header.
>>
>> Does it need a law? There are standards. I am going to try setting an
>> expiry of 0 days to see what happens.
>
> Several years ago, probably about 10 years ago, several people on
> Usenet tried to claim it was a law. They were shocked that their posts
> could be archived and they couldn't force people to not archive or
> force hem to delete their precious posts. I don't remember them
> posting anything conti tious or all that important. Evidenty their
> egos didn't see it that way.
>
I have never respected the "no archive" thing.

Not that I keep an archive, but over 19 years I have saved a lot of 
messages, either to reply to later, or because there was something 
valuable in them.  Too bad I never sorted them differently, because it 
just gets worse and worse, all the posts that aren't for posterity, but I 
can't be bothered spending the time to weed those out.

   Michael

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#155251

Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> writes:

> David Hume wrote:
>
>> If you set the header X-No-Archive to Yes it stops posts going to google
>> groups in the first place.
>
> Not really, they appear on google for 7(?) days, during which time other 
> people could reply to them and the quotes won't be deleted.

I just checked and my post from yesterday isn't on there, but your reply
is.

I have noticed that X-No-Archive is obsolete and replaced by
X-Archive.

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#155263

David Hume wrote:

> I have noticed that X-No-Archive is obsolete and replaced by
> X-Archive.

I hadn't heard anything of that.  I the past googlegroups would show 
"this article will be removed in n days" but I agree it didn't show your 
articles, until you added the "X-archive: expires=0" header

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