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  Windows rant Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:37 +0000
    Re: Windows rant Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-06 01:37 +0000
      Re: Windows rant Not Necessary <not@necessary.invalid> - 2025-06-30 09:37 +0530
        Re: Windows rant Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 06:47 +0000
        Re: Windows rant Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-30 13:41 +0000
          Re: Windows rant Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:06 +0000
            Re: Windows rant John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 08:13 -0700
          Re: Windows rant Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2025-07-01 20:12 +0200
            Re: Windows rant Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:13 +0000
              Re: Windows rant "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-07-02 16:30 +0100
                Re: Windows rant Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-02 20:05 +0000
                  Re: Windows rant Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 22:40 +0000
        Re: Windows rant Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us> - 2025-07-15 16:54 +0000
    Re: Windows rant rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 05:13 +0000
      Re: Windows rant scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-06 14:08 +0000
        Re: Windows rant Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
          Re: Windows rant rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 19:11 +0000
        Re: Windows rant rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 19:06 +0000
      Re: Windows rant Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-06 20:41 +0000
        Re: Windows rant Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-06 22:36 +0000
          Re: Windows rant Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-07 12:49 +0000
            Re: Windows rant Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-07 21:57 +0000
              Re: Windows rant Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-08 11:50 +0000
                Re: Windows rant rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 19:53 +0000
        Re: Windows rant rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 19:17 +0000
          Re: Windows rant Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-07 21:52 +0000
    Re: Windows rant Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-06 20:30 +0000
    Re: Windows rant Berend Lettinga <berendlettinga@hotmail.com> - 2025-07-03 17:26 +0200
      Re: Windows rant rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-03 18:33 +0000
        Re: Windows rant John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 11:49 -0700

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#230985 — Windows rant

I generally try to avoid windows as much as possible, but I'm tech support 
for my wife's computer, so I can't avoid it completely.

Today she got into some page "it seems like you haven't backed up your 
computer in a while...". I thought, OK, I back up my stuff every day, why 
not. Then we had to either remember a microsoft account, which we've used 
in like never. It wanted me to verify who I was, but somehow I could 
nevder seem to get the email it said it was sending me, and then I 
couldn't cancel out of it.

I was stuck, so I decided to  reboot. Next thing I know it's doing updates 
without asking. I'm sitting there watching the spinner and I have no way 
of knowing how progress is going - is this going to take ten minutes or 
ten hours? Finally got to the logon, and it decided to go to the spinner 
again for a while. I had no idea what it was doing, installing, or 
whetever.

When I log on, I got that stupid screen asking if I wanted to upgrade to 
windows 11, followed by some edge thing - I never use edge either. It took 
over half an hour just to be able to read email.

I contrast this with Ubuntu, that asks me nicely If I want to do updates, 
and gives me a choice of components to update. If I say NO it goes away 
and doesn't ask me again for a while. If I decide to update I can see the 
progress as it goes along, no hiding anything behind the curtain.

I HATE WINDOWS!!!!!

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#230992

On Mon, 5 May 2025 22:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
Software wrote:

> I HATE WINDOWS!!!!!

As long as you keep giving Microsoft money, they don’t have to care.

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#231139

On 06/05/25 7:07 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 5 May 2025 22:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
> Software wrote:
> 
>> I HATE WINDOWS!!!!!
> 
> As long as you keep giving Microsoft money, they don’t have to care.

At this point I believe that it is our moral obligation to pirate
Microsoft Windows. There are specific open-source solutions such as
Massgravel's Microsoft Activation Scripts (linked at the bottom of the
post) to "properly" activate Windows Pro, and remove all of the garbage
and restrictions that come with Home or Starter Editions.

<https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts>

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#231140

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 09:37:40 +0530, Not Necessary wrote:

> At this point I believe that it is our moral obligation to pirate
> Microsoft Windows.

Don’t do it. Think of your loved ones.

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#231141

On 2025-06-30, Not Necessary <not@necessary.invalid> wrote:

> On 06/05/25 7:07 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 May 2025 22:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
>> Software wrote:
>> 
>>> I HATE WINDOWS!!!!!
>> 
>> As long as you keep giving Microsoft money, they don’t have to care.
>
> At this point I believe that it is our moral obligation to pirate
> Microsoft Windows. There are specific open-source solutions such as
> Massgravel's Microsoft Activation Scripts (linked at the bottom of the
> post) to "properly" activate Windows Pro, and remove all of the garbage
> and restrictions that come with Home or Starter Editions.
>
> <https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts>

Better still, find a way to live without Windows.  Promote the
use of replacement products such as LibreOffice, or emulation
solutions such as Wine.  If they don't quite meet your needs,
find ways to improve them until they do.  To paraphrase Ted Nelson:

    Microsoft is not a necessary evil.  Microsoft is not necessary.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#231143

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:41:01 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Microsoft is not a necessary evil.  Microsoft is not necessary.

The mind says that, the heart‡ is still too heavily indoctrinated with 
those multi-million-dollar PR campaigns telling everybody how wonderful 
Microsoft is.

‡Or maybe somewhere lower down.

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#231147

On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 00:06:29 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> The mind says that, the heart‡ is still too heavily indoctrinated
> with those multi-million-dollar PR campaigns telling everybody how
> wonderful Microsoft is.

Nobody has ever thought this,* despite the campaigns. They've *always*
gotten by on omnipresence engineered through business tactics, whatever
the merits or demerits of any given product/version.

* (Aside from the occasional actual MS employee.)

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#231148

Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:41:01 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> schrieb:

[Scnipp]


>Better still, find a way to live without Windows.  Promote the
>use of replacement products such as LibreOffice, or emulation
>solutions such as Wine.  If they don't quite meet your needs,
>find ways to improve them until they do.  To paraphrase Ted Nelson:
>
>    Microsoft is not a necessary evil.  Microsoft is not necessary.

This is a more positive approach.
-- 
Jan van den Broek                                          balglaas@xs4all.nl

                        Entertaining Quakers since 2005

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#231153

On 2025-07-01, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:41:01 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> schrieb:
>
> [Scnipp]
>
>> Better still, find a way to live without Windows.  Promote the
>> use of replacement products such as LibreOffice, or emulation
>> solutions such as Wine.  If they don't quite meet your needs,
>> find ways to improve them until they do.  To paraphrase Ted Nelson:
>>
>>    Microsoft is not a necessary evil.  Microsoft is not necessary.
>
> This is a more positive approach.

As an increasingly bitter cynic, I appreciate your endorsement.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#231154

On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 01:13:09 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2025-07-01, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:41:01 GMT
> > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> schrieb:
> >
> > [Scnipp]
> >
> >> Better still, find a way to live without Windows.  Promote the
> >> use of replacement products such as LibreOffice, or emulation
> >> solutions such as Wine.  If they don't quite meet your needs,
> >> find ways to improve them until they do.  To paraphrase Ted Nelson:
> >>
> >>    Microsoft is not a necessary evil.  Microsoft is not necessary.
> >
> > This is a more positive approach.
> 
> As an increasingly bitter cynic, I appreciate your endorsement.
> 

Please correct the spelling error in the title; it should be Windows Rent.
ITY.

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#231156

On 2025-07-02, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 01:13:09 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-07-01, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:41:01 GMT
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> schrieb:
>>>
>>> [Scnipp]
>>>
>>>> Better still, find a way to live without Windows.  Promote the
>>>> use of replacement products such as LibreOffice, or emulation
>>>> solutions such as Wine.  If they don't quite meet your needs,
>>>> find ways to improve them until they do.  To paraphrase Ted Nelson:
>>>>
>>>>    Microsoft is not a necessary evil.  Microsoft is not necessary.
>>>
>>> This is a more positive approach.
>> 
>> As an increasingly bitter cynic, I appreciate your endorsement.
>
> Please correct the spelling error in the title; it should be Windows Rent.
> ITY.

Good one.  That makes them one of the most abusive slumlords in history.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#231159

On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 20:05:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-07-02, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> 
>> Please correct the spelling error in the title; it should be Windows
>> Rent.
> 
> Good one.  That makes them one of the most abusive slumlords in history.

Real-life slumlords only get away with it because the tenants cannot 
afford to move elsewhere.

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#231299

In article <103t2i7$1ftgf$2@solani.org>,
Not Necessary  <not@necessary.invalid> wrote:
>At this point I believe that it is our moral obligation to pirate
>Microsoft Windows.

While Linux is my daily driver, I find a Windows machine useful so I can
have the same environment my CS students do (which makes it easier for
me to get them set up and help when things go wrong).

So I bought a $150 used W11 machine. :)

-- 
Brian "Beej Jorgensen" Hall | beej@beej.us

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#231004

On Mon, 5 May 2025 22:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
Software wrote:

> I was stuck, so I decided to  reboot. Next thing I know it's doing
> updates without asking. I'm sitting there watching the spinner and I
> have no way of knowing how progress is going - is this going to take ten
> minutes or ten hours? Finally got to the logon, and it decided to go to
> the spinner again for a while. I had no idea what it was doing,
> installing, or whetever.

I feel your pain. I did the update last month on Patch Tuesday. I'm pretty 
sure I restarted but I'm not going to put my hand on a bible. Yesterday i 
was reviewing the steps to turn on the optional sshd server feature and 
the download seemed to stall out. (yes, you can actually ssh into a 
Windows box like a real computer. It's a feature they don't advertise 
heavily).

Being impatient, I rebooted and got 'Installing updates. Do not turn off 
your computer'. After quite a few games of GNOME Mahjonng I was starting 
to search on 'windows update fails' when it finally got to a log in 
screen. I don't think I'm exaggerating if I say more than 15 minutes.

I did finally get sshd up and running. 

The closest I've come on Linux is doing a version upgrade on Ubuntu. You 
get to a point where it says 'looking for unused software'. I don't know 
where it's looking but that takes forever too. 

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#231016

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>On Mon, 5 May 2025 22:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
>Software wrote:
>
>> I was stuck, so I decided to  reboot. Next thing I know it's doing
>> updates without asking. I'm sitting there watching the spinner and I
>> have no way of knowing how progress is going - is this going to take ten
>> minutes or ten hours? Finally got to the logon, and it decided to go to
>> the spinner again for a while. I had no idea what it was doing,
>> installing, or whetever.
>
>I feel your pain. I did the update last month on Patch Tuesday. I'm pretty 
>sure I restarted but I'm not going to put my hand on a bible. Yesterday i 
>was reviewing the steps to turn on the optional sshd server feature and 
>the download seemed to stall out. (yes, you can actually ssh into a 
>Windows box like a real computer. It's a feature they don't advertise 
>heavily).

I have one low-end windows laptop, now eight years old, that I
turn on in April to run turbotax.   Takes about a week to become
usable while catching up on updates.  During updates, it is basically
unusable with 100% disk activity and apparently MS never heard of
I/O priority management.

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#231020

On 2025-05-06, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

> I have one low-end windows laptop, now eight years old, that I
> turn on in April to run turbotax.   Takes about a week to become
> usable while catching up on updates.  During updates, it is basically
> unusable with 100% disk activity and apparently MS never heard of
> I/O priority management.

And then there are the friends of ours who are not only running
Windows, they have Norton on their machine.  100% disk activity
forever.  At least my wife has a Mac.

Paraphrasing Ted Nelson in _Computer Lib_
(he was talking about IBM at the time):

    Microsoft is not a necessary evil.
    Microsoft is not necessary.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#231038

On Tue, 06 May 2025 18:38:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> And then there are the friends of ours who are not only running Windows,
> they have Norton on their machine.  100% disk activity forever.  At
> least my wife has a Mac.

Symantec Endpoint isn't bad; Norton must be their red-headed step child. 

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#231037

On Tue, 06 May 2025 14:08:36 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> I have one low-end windows laptop, now eight years old, that I turn on
> in April to run turbotax.   Takes about a week to become usable while
> catching up on updates.  During updates, it is basically unusable with
> 100% disk activity and apparently MS never heard of I/O priority
> management.

Our clients are PSAPs and are very reluctant to have any downtime so the 
servers seldom are up to date. It's a mess when they finally do pending 
updates.

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#231023

On 2025-05-06, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>                                                               Yesterday i 
> was reviewing the steps to turn on the optional sshd server feature and 
> the download seemed to stall out. (yes, you can actually ssh into a 
> Windows box like a real computer. It's a feature they don't advertise 
> heavily).

My windows desktop does not have that. It is a Windows 10 Home edition.
I suspect that the "Server Manager" app that is the GUI way to do this
only exists on a Windows Server edition. And using the command-line
incantation they tell you to use in PowerShell yields:

	PS C:\Users\lpoul> start-service sshd
	start-service : Cannot find any service with service name 'sshd'.
	At line:1 char:1
	+ start-service sshd
	+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	    + CategoryInfo          : ObjectNotFound: (sshd:String)
                                        	[Start-Service], ServiceCommandException
	    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : NoServiceFoundForGivenName,
					Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.StartServiceCommand

Of course, there are 3rd-party server implementations. I suspect even
PuTTY has a server mode.

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#231025

On Tue, 6 May 2025 20:41:21 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> I suspect that the "Server Manager" app that is the GUI way to do this
> only exists on a Windows Server edition.

This is why I keep saying, Linux (and other *nixes) is a “workstation” OS, 
not a “desktop” OS.

The distinction between “desktop” and “server” OS products is an 
artificial one which was created by Microsoft (and other long-gone 
proprietary OS vendors) as a way to segment the market and boost their 
revenues.

Whereas a “workstation” includes both “desktop” and “server” functionality 
in the same box, with no artificial barrier between them.

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