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Re: Windows 10 forceful update?

From	Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: Windows 10 forceful update?
Date	2016-02-21 16:43 +0100
Organization	Me, Myself and I
Message-ID	<gi2ppc-rec.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> (permalink)
References	<na49hv$nmq$1@dont-email.me> <diqrn8Fc6nfU3@mid.individual.net> <dit8a8FcoqU1@mid.individual.net>

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In article <dit8a8FcoqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Bob Martin  <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote:
>in 661162 20160220 095904 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>On 2016-02-19, Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 15:51:28 +0000
>>> Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19 Feb 2016 14:04:44 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 2016-02-18, Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> wrote:
>>>> >> gareth wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Will the attempted forceful update of Windows 10 sound the
>>>> >>> death-knell for MicroSoft and drive all reasonable people onto
>>>> >>> Linux?
>>>> >> Actually, I'm not totally in favor of that.  If everybody ran
>>>> >> Linux, then the script kiddies would start developing nasty
>>>> >> malware for it.  yes, it would be harder, but if they try hard
>>>> >> enough, they would find the vulnerabilities.
>>>> >
>>>> >The problem with that argument is that there are some very juicy
>>>> >Linux targets out there.  Your bank (and for that matter, everyone
>>>> >else's bank) for example. And yet, Linux malware is thin on the
>>>> >ground.
>>>>
>>>> My bank does not use Linux. They don't use Windows either.
>>>
>>> Oracle+Solaris, that is what banks use...
>>
>>IME (and I worked in the City of London for 21 years), banks use everything and anything.  But Linux
>>is eating all the proprietary Unixes, and Windows server for anything above a trivial size.
>
>All the major banks in London have IBM mainframes running variations of MVS.

Norway's biggest bank, DnB (the "good bank" from the triage in the 1990s banking
crisis) moved their core transaction engine away from the mainframes and onto
three separate, redundant sun/oracle clusters at three separate locations. (They
had the same with the mainframes, but were a lot more constrained by distance; around
25 km was the max. Now they can have 1000+km separation distance, and they almost 
have).

I got to visit their holiest of server rooms, installing one of the 3 E3s they
had towards the Internet into a firewall. After a few weeks of paperwork for
clearance I finally got to be let in. I had a very senior boss in the IT dept
as my mentor. When I was done, it only took around 15 minutes, he asked if I
had accounts in the bank. Yes, I had. He then said "if you wear this antistat strap
you can touch that cabinet over there. That is the closest you can get to 
actually touching your money.". That IBM iron was the master in their DB
cluster right then, and did indeed keep score of the money.

If the whole room had exploded, it would have taken around 7 seconds before
another cluster had taken over, at a different location. Without losing a single
transaction (although some in progress would have been backed out and the
user would have gotten a "try again" failure).

The core transaction engine had so much cruft from it's life of continous 
operation from 1974 that they had parallell operations of the new cluster with
rewritten, very sanitised code for a period of two years, where it got to
handle all the same transactions. There were some minor discrepancies, and
the new code was deemed correct in all of these.

-- mrr

Thread

Windows 10 forceful update? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-02-18 11:25 +0000
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-02-18 11:52 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-02-18 12:16 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:27 -0600
      Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 11:51 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:42 +1100
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-18 11:31 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-18 12:01 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-18 16:04 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:02 -0500
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 09:18 -0500
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 16:43 +0100
      Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 11:49 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:49 +0100
          Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 19:53 -0500
            Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 10:27 +0100
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 09:08 -0700
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:50 -0600
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:52 -0600
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-19 14:04 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 15:32 +0100
        Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 10:19 -0500
          Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 17:40 +0000
            Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 19:01 +0100
            Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-19 11:30 -0800
      Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 14:57 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-02-19 15:51 +0000
        Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 18:42 +0100
          Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:56 -0600
            Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 23:57 +0100
              Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-19 15:17 -0800
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 18:27 -0500
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-20 00:38 +0100
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 19:41 -0600
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:46 +1100
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:32 +1100
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:38 +0100
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 06:04 +1100
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:29 +1100
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-20 06:35 +0000
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-02-20 13:54 -0500
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-20 20:51 -0800
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 13:43 +0000
          Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-20 09:59 +0000
            Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-02-21 07:46 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 13:42 +0000
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-02-22 07:12 +0000
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-22 14:27 +0000
              Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 16:43 +0100
              Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-21 11:52 -0800
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-22 11:34 -0800
                Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-22 12:40 -0800
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:47 +1100
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-18 16:20 -0800
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:35 +1100
      Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-18 20:43 -0800
        Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:53 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 forceful update? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:28 +1100
    Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 10:17 +0100
  Re: Windows 10 forceful update? Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-19 10:06 +0100

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