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Re: Ransomware

From Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Ransomware
Date 2016-02-18 13:38 +0100
Organization Me, Myself and I
Message-ID <eiqgpc-ep2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> (permalink)
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In article <MPG.312f77193f96ec95989f88@news.eternal-september.org>,
J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <na0s9a2oaf@news3.newsguy.com>, cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid 
>says...
>> 
>> On 2016-02-17, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Driving a car with a stick shift was more complex than an automatic.
>> 
>> Was?  We just picked up a bare-bones 2007 Honda Civic.  My wife and
>> I can both drive stick, and we're finding it fun to do so again.
>> (Last week our trusty CR-V's transmission died.  At least it got us
>> halfway home, within range of a tow truck, and at 518,000 km it really
>> didn't owe us anything.)
>> 
>> > Out on bitsavers, there are early documents on data communication.  They
>> > had to concern themselves with comm line echo, synchronization, and error
>> > control and recovery, among other things.  I'm pretty most of us today
>> > can take all that stuff for granted.
>> 
>> Data communications was damned complicated back then, and I think a lot
>> of it is due to the fact that people hadn't figured out how to make it
>> simple.  Especially mainframers, who used protocols designed to send files
>> across the country, which are overkill when sending a message to a terminal
>> in the room.
>> 
>> > On the flip side...
>> > Personally, I do think PCs and networking _have_ become far too
>> > complex, but that's because we've long since past the point of
>> > necessary functionality.  That is, I'd say about ten years computer
>> > technology was mature enough to do most of the functions people needed
>> > to get done.  Since then, all we've done was add lots of bells and
>> > whistles in more elaborate webpages, but we really don't need them
>> > to order a pair of shorts on-line.  Indeed, I know accountants of large
>> > corporations who met all their needs with Lotus running on a DOS 386;
>> > all subsequent developments were just window dressing, or even a step
>> > backward as they had to learn new crap they didn't want nor need.
>> 
>> There are a number of reasons for this.  One of the biggest, of course,
>> is that bells and whistles are vital for winning the pissing match with
>> your neighbours.  The other reason, again, is that people haven't figured
>> out how to make things simple (if they can get past confusing complexity
>> with sophistication).  And then, of course, there are bureaucrats (and
>> system designers who are wannabe bureaucrats) who believe the way to deal
>> with complexity is to pile another layer of complexity on top of it.
>> 
>> More people need to heed the words of Antoine de Saint-Exupery:
>> "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add,
>> but when there is nothing left to take away."
>
>Another issue is non-programming management that keeps getting sold 
>bills of goods by snake-oil salesmen and won't invest in the basics--a 
>good programming environment, thorough training for new hires, and 
>ongoing workforce development.  Instead they listen to promises from 
>"consultants" who five years later haven't produced the code that their 
>in-house programmers could have rolled out in a month, and want the 
>latest and greatest hence people struggling to do things in Excel or 
>Python that were trivial in "old fashioned, clunky" APL.

Also, the "budgeting fallacy"; that programmers cannot give any
time estimate for an unspecified task.

Often, the unspecitiedness have n dimensions, in that scale, 
throuhgput, hardware, platform are all unspecified. Just a vague
outline that "we want a ticketing system". This leads to the
lead programmer correctly stating that the time will be from 4 to
400 man-years. 

So they hire consultants to make a bid, but this just heaps
on complexity without giving much in terms of actual specifications.

So some large programming/consulting outfit with some pet 
hardware, software and implementation model wins the bid; after
making 100 assumptions. Implementation starts, and when 90
of these assumptions show up as wrong after 3 years of 100
programmers in action there is not much the original offerer
can do.

-- mrr

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Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 10:37 -0600
  Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 09:54 -0800
    Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-16 19:41 +0100
      Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 21:11 +0100
        Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 02:16 +0100
        Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 22:05 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 23:35 +0100
            Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
      Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700
      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:13 +1100
        Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 04:53 +0100
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          Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:24 +1100
            Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:07 +0100
              Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
      Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:03 +0000
        Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
    Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:01 +0000
      Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
        Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-17 14:01 -0500
          Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
            Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:09 -0800
              Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-17 20:45 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-17 22:34 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 11:16 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:44 +1100
              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:00 +1100
            Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-18 02:12 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-17 22:47 -0500
              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:10 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 21:29 -0800
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:56 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 23:15 -0800
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:35 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-18 17:58 -0800
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:44 +1100
            Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-17 20:44 -0800
              Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 08:03 -0600
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:14 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 19:10 -0600
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 20:13 -0800
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:26 +1100
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:34 -0600
                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:26 +0000
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 18:21 -0500
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 23:32 -0500
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:34 -0800
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 19:59 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 07:25 -0500
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:30 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-20 10:58 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:25 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:26 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:16 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:22 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 17:36 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:01 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 16:26 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-21 13:52 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-21 18:51 -0500
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:18 -0800
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 15:03 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-20 16:12 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 15:59 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:59 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:36 +1100
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 17:01 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 18:54 -0600
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 19:48 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 16:20 -0600
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 18:17 -0600
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:53 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 21:33 -0500
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:23 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:48 +1100
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:56 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:35 -0600
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:12 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 15:33 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:11 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 20:00 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 01:51 -0700
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:34 -0600
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:19 -0600
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:40 -0800
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:46 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 23:55 -0600
                Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 10:48 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:56 -0500
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:50 -0600
                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:29 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-19 16:54 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 17:55 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-20 08:30 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-20 15:29 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-20 10:06 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-20 11:03 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:14 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:27 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 09:49 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:29 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:53 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:42 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 -0500
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:24 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:53 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:15 +0000
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 17:55 -0800
              Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:19 -0500
              Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:19 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:46 -0500
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-18 18:01 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 14:36 -0500
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 11:23 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 09:28 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:19 +1100
              Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 10:24 -0700
                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 12:27 -0800
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:22 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 00:07 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 18:34 +1100
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                Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 07:43 -0600
                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:13 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 08:01 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:50 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:34 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 13:34 -0600
              Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:34 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:33 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 21:04 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:46 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:34 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:47 +1100
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:03 -0500
            Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 19:21 +0000
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                Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 21:19 +0000
                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:48 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-19 14:12 +0000
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:54 -0600
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:29 +1100
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                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:43 +1100
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                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:53 +1100
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-23 13:13 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 04:49 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-21 19:56 +0000
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                Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 18:18 -0800
                Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 18:10 +0000
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  Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-16 17:57 +0000
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          Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
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      Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 16:11 -0800
      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:26 +1100
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          Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:58 -0600
            Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
              Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:39 -0800
  Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-16 16:44 -0400
    Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-16 15:30 -0600
      Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 00:20 +0100
        Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-17 18:48 -0500
            Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
              Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 16:46 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 14:43 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 14:06 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 15:48 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 15:36 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:30 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 19:38 -0500
                Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:43 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 00:51 +0100
                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:45 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 15:00 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 07:01 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 10:16 -0500
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:15 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:19 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:55 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 12:54 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 17:46 -0800
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:08 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-23 16:01 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 21:24 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:58 +1100
                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:40 +0000
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:06 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:11 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:44 +0100
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:13 +1100
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 17:08 +0100
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:41 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 09:35 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-21 10:18 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 16:48 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-21 18:40 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 01:53 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 18:36 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 00:12 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 09:37 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:17 -0500
                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:29 +0100
                Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:42 -0500
                Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:52 +0100
                Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 10:23 -0500
                Re: Ransomware using libc scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-22 17:24 +0000
                Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 20:29 +0100
                Re: Ransomware using libc Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-22 19:38 +0000
                Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 21:31 +0100
                Re: Ransomware using libc Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-22 17:17 +0000
                Re: Ransomware using libc Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 14:41 -0600
                Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:07 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:16 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 17:21 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:34 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 11:11 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 18:25 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 15:15 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:28 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 21:46 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:05 +1100
              Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:31 +1100
              Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-18 13:56 -0600
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:16 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-19 17:09 -0600
                Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:55 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-22 14:07 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 07:15 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 18:30 -0500
                Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-23 01:49 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:09 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:03 +1100
          Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:12 -0600
        Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:29 -0500
          Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:35 -0600
            Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-20 09:55 +0000
              Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 07:30 -0700
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 11:11 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:05 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 11:55 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 14:04 +0100
                Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 13:57 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-21 23:28 +0000
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:34 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:32 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-21 12:14 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:47 +1100
      Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 14:03 +0000
        Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-17 15:20 -0600
          Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 21:31 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-18 08:23 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:42 -0600
      Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:23 -0500
        Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:43 -0600
          Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:48 -0500
    Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 17:04 -0800
      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:42 +1100
      Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 04:17 +0000
        Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-17 04:08 -0400
          Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:04 +0000
        Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:38 -0500
          Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 13:38 +0100
            Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:57 -0500
    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:24 +1100
    Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
      Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 16:43 -0800
      Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
    Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 12:55 -0600

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