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Re: I Feel Old

From	"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: I Feel Old
Date	2016-01-17 03:38 +1100
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"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> "Peter Flass" wrote:
>
>> Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trustee must have access to the trust's funds in order to do his
>>>> job; that's why they're usually required to itemize everything they do,
>>>> which for any non-trivial trust will be audited by a third party.
>>>>
>>>> Fees paid to the trustee get itemized separately; for ones like this,
>>>> that's typically a flat 1-2% of net asset value per year specified in
>>>> the trust's construction.  Beware any trust that allows the trustee to
>>>> increase his own compensation via "transaction fees", "expenses", etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> This seems to me like a pretty rarefied discussion. I have a vague idea 
>>> of
>>> setting up a trust for someone else, an heir for example, who is young,
>>> incompetent or has bad judgment. Are there other reasons for having a 
>>> trust?
>>> I have a sinking feeling that if I won a certain kind of some huge legal
>>> suit, a trust would be created for me to give everyone involved (except 
>>> me)
>>> a warm, happy glow.
>>>
>>> I note that the 1% charge per year is 20 times the cost of the Vanguard
>>> Amazon 500 Index fund.  And I assume the trustee pays someone else to do 
>>> the
>>> actual work so he just pre-skims the base before doing anything 
>>> especially
>>> useful for most ordinary people.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We set up a trust and put our house and condo in it.  If either of us 
>> needs
>> long-term care this will keep the government's hands off of it.
>> Unfortunately we just did it recently, so we have to stay healthy for a 
>> few
>> years.  We're the trustees so no fee.  The kind of legal settlement 
>> you're
>> talking about is, I think, a "structured settlement".  I'm always seeing
>> ads by companies who will buy you out of these, guving you a lump sum but
>> taking a big hunk themselves.
>
> Now, *that*, I can understand.  *You* can be destitute, a pauper, and go 
> on Medicaid, meanwhile, your wife can buy you a new Rolls Royce.  Not 
> literally, but do whatever it takes to allow you full use of the car. 
> Like telling you where it is and giving you the keys. Is this simply a 
> side effect of laws with some reasonable intent?
>
> Digging into my memory the credit lines on some PBS shows sometimes 
> include a mention of trusts, as in the John and Mary Doe Trust. That 
> sounds like there might be some justification hidden in there somewhere. 
> But I think that it is more common to refer to "Foundations".  Are there 
> some big trusts I might know of?  For example, the Joe Kennedy Trust?
>
> From the description of your example, it seems like every married couple 
> who has two nickels to rub together should have a trust.  But they don't, 
> what is the dark side of setting up a trust?

Not dark side so much as downside. They do require rather more organisation
than not bothering with one and more fees paid to legal parasites etc.

Can be quite a bit simpler too, particularly not
needing changes to wills as the detail changes.

Some jurisdictions don’t have any real need to keep the govt
hands off anything. Ours doesn’t even have any inheritance
tax or death duties at all. We do see quite a few trusts for
other reasons tho, primarily tax avoidance by the more wealthy.

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I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 10:49 -0800
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              Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 15:06 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 11:05 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:59 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 18:08 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 06:44 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 12:24 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-03 09:45 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-03 13:12 -0700
                Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-03 16:56 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 14:27 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-03 23:53 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-04 07:42 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 14:32 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 16:55 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 11:41 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:37 +0100
            Re: I Feel Old Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-03 13:11 -0700
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:48 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 16:01 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 16:23 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-03 17:30 -0400
      Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-04 14:55 -0600
        Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:15 -0800
          Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-05 14:59 -0600
            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 13:31 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-05 22:11 -0600
        Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-04 17:07 -0800
      Re: I Feel Old philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-01-06 19:21 -0600
  Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-01 21:33 +0000
    Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-01 22:52 +0000
    Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 15:57 -0800
      Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-01 20:52 -0800
        Re: I Feel Old Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-02 00:45 -0500
        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 06:40 +0000
          Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:25 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 08:18 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 07:26 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:34 -0800
        Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-02 14:27 +0000
          Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:28 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-02 19:56 -0600
              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 07:26 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-03 10:00 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-17 08:48 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:44 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 13:42 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 11:15 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-06 11:27 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 12:02 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 18:52 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-06 18:06 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 09:22 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 15:55 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 09:36 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-07 17:47 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 18:47 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 19:23 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:58 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 15:53 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 11:26 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 09:53 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:24 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-10 06:06 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-08 10:13 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:42 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-09 07:07 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-09 11:55 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 15:40 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-10 06:13 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-09 13:36 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-09 15:30 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-08 10:43 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 10:33 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:46 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 10:59 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:44 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 22:53 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 12:53 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:29 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:26 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 16:22 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 10:03 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-12 21:01 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 14:22 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 10:14 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-13 18:51 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-14 07:02 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 13:06 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 09:51 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 06:01 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-08 13:21 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-08 20:58 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-08 20:36 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:31 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-09 18:33 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-09 12:59 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 15:31 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 17:22 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-09 17:07 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-10 11:25 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-11 17:08 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:43 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 08:44 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 09:52 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 12:28 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 10:58 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 14:49 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 13:57 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:19 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 17:37 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 18:46 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-08 16:08 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-09 18:38 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 21:43 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-09 22:56 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-11 23:49 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:46 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:28 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 14:58 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 14:01 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 16:42 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 22:07 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:36 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:04 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-11 14:48 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-11 17:28 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:01 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 16:59 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-07 13:13 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 18:55 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:40 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 23:20 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:29 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:30 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 10:59 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 19:48 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-05 06:27 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 16:26 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:27 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 11:08 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 13:14 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-04 14:43 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:38 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 17:47 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-13 01:27 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 11:18 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-13 19:05 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 20:22 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-14 14:09 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 09:48 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 13:19 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-15 09:20 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:44 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 12:57 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:42 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:27 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:15 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 13:44 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-15 15:02 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-16 08:58 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 23:51 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 16:01 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 17:11 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 08:03 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-16 08:29 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:38 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 16:59 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 16:45 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 02:11 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 14:02 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:22 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:09 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 15:00 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-18 03:59 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:15 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:39 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:41 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 16:33 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-16 11:19 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 18:36 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:23 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 13:01 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:55 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:53 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 05:43 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:50 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:33 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 15:19 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 15:00 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 22:49 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:12 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:32 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:06 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 10:05 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:14 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 15:38 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 15:19 +0100
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-15 14:25 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-14 13:46 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 05:17 +0100
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                Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:37 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-05 04:44 -0400
                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 11:06 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 17:04 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0800
      Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-02 15:01 +0000
        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 15:58 +0000
          Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 06:40 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 12:31 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 22:06 -0500
        Re: I Feel Old "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 07:09 +1100
      Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 12:11 -0500
        Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 20:42 -0800
          Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 16:43 +1100
          Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 22:05 -0500
        Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:21 +0100
          Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-04 17:47 +0000
          Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:10 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:26 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:57 -0500
          Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:46 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-07 17:36 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-07 13:43 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:35 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-08 00:15 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 19:41 +1100
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 12:44 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-07 21:32 +0000
      Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-05 14:51 -0600
        Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 12:59 -0800
          Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 22:17 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-08 14:35 -0600
        Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 22:17 +0000
          Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-05 17:31 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:38 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:50 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:26 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 05:49 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:32 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 07:13 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 16:08 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-08 14:39 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-06 09:14 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:22 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-15 17:45 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:42 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 14:20 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:34 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 19:52 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 12:35 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 20:54 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:44 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 23:48 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:38 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-07 07:46 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 06:44 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 21:47 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 05:45 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-10 12:18 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 08:12 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-10 13:40 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 08:15 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 05:48 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:29 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:20 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:52 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:34 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:40 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:39 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:22 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-15 17:43 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:13 -0600
          Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:26 -0500
          Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-08 14:37 -0600
            Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 23:25 +0000
    Re: I Feel Old Freddy1 <something@something.com> - 2016-01-02 21:35 -0500
      Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-03 05:34 +0000
      Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 08:33 +0000
        Re: I Feel Old Freddy1 <something@something.com> - 2016-01-03 15:17 -0500
        Re: I Feel Old Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-03 20:52 -0800
          Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-04 05:09 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-05 14:57 -0600
  Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-01 20:46 -0800
    Re: I Feel Old Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-01-02 07:00 +0000
      Re: I Feel Old Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2016-01-02 01:44 -0700
      Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 13:46 -0800
    Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-02 09:11 -0800
  Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-02 11:49 -0600
  Re: I Feel Old John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-03 08:14 -0600
    Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-03 17:11 +0000

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