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Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?

From	John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?
Date	2026-08-18 15:38 -0700
Organization	A place where nothing fits quite right
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On 12 Aug 2026 12:28:27 +0100 (BST)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Nobody said RISC OS doesn't have a CLI.  Lawrence was talking about a
> Unix shell in the context of 'shell escaping', ie passing command
> lines through one program which launches another.
> 
> RISC OS doesn't have the model where one process is used to launch
> other processes; for one thing it doesn't have a process model.
> Programs are launched directly by the kernel, and if one program runs
> another then the first is replaced.
>
> [...]
> 
> Because there's no process mechanism according to the Unix model, the
> idea of a shell process for launching other programs (and passing
> command arguments) doesn't exist.  The native CLI does happen to be
> called ShellCLI but it's not a shell in the Unix model, it's merely a
> way to run one program at a time.  So Lawrence's concerns about
> escaping parameters aren't really relevant.
> 
> Theo

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

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Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:53 +0000
  Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 08:23 -0700
    Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-18 17:34 +0100
      Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-18 20:58 +0000
      Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-03 23:24 +0000
        Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 23:53 +0000
          Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-04 00:48 +0000
            Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 02:56 +0000
              Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-04 03:08 +0000
            Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-04 15:33 +0100
              Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-04 14:45 +0000
              Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-04 21:31 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-05 00:19 +0100
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 21:53 +0800
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:09 +0100
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:29 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-05 03:18 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 04:39 +0000
              Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:31 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-05 03:22 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-05 03:24 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-05 18:46 +0100
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 21:38 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jeffrey Bagely <6cf6e82302@darkc0de.one> - 2026-08-05 21:55 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-06 03:30 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-06 15:13 -0300
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-07 10:16 +0100
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:46 +0000
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 08:46 -0700
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-12 12:28 +0100
                Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 15:38 -0700
                UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-06 13:54 +0100
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-06 23:58 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-07 13:17 +0100
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?) Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-08-07 17:18 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-08 12:16 +0100
                Re: UNIX certification Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-08 18:41 -0400
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 23:23 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp "Phigan" <phigan@mutinybbs.com.remove-51d-this> - 2026-08-14 01:38 -0400
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-08-14 12:14 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-14 21:18 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-14 21:31 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp "Phigan" <phigan@mutinybbs.com.remove-110l-this> - 2026-08-16 10:14 -0400
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-08-16 21:33 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-08-16 22:44 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-17 14:24 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-08-17 14:32 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-08-14 20:52 -0700
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-15 04:21 +0000
                Multics (ws: Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 21:36 +0800
                Re: Multics (ws: Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-08-16 07:32 -0700
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:29 +0100
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To  Document-CentricComp vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 12:26 +0000
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-08-14 07:31 -0700
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened ToDocument-CentricComp "Phigan" <phigan@mutinybbs.com.remove-110l-this> - 2026-08-16 10:12 -0400
                Princess Irulan (was: Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-CentricComp) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 21:33 +0800
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:20 +0100
                Re: UNIX certification (was: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 22:16 +0000
                System calls in assembly (was: Re: UNIX certification) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-16 21:40 +0800
    Extensible, interoperable standards (Document-Centric Computing) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-05-18 20:56 -0700
      Re: Extensible, interoperable standards (Document-Centric Computing) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-19 05:49 +0000
  Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 20:16 -0400
    Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> - 2026-05-18 10:31 -0400
  Re: Whatever Happened To Document-Centric Computing? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-08-04 16:20 +0100

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