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  Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 11:00 -0700
    Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 12:02 -0700
      Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 12:26 -0700
        Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 12:32 -0700
          Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 12:47 -0700
            Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 12:54 -0700
              Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 13:18 -0700
                Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 13:36 -0700
            Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 23:24 -0700
              Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 10:53 -0700
                Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 11:39 -0700
                  Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 11:43 -0700
                    Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 13:30 -0700
                      Re: Missing Sub "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 13:38 -0700
                        Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 14:04 -0700
                          Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 14:16 -0700
                          Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 14:40 -0700
                            Re: Missing Sub "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:52 -0700
                              Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-23 16:00 -0700
                                Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-02 15:27 -0700
                                Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-06 09:47 -0700
                                  Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-06 13:40 -0700
                                    Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-06 17:26 -0700
                                    Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-06 17:33 -0700
                                      Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-06 20:22 -0700
                                        Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-07 11:48 -0700
                Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-24 10:19 -0700
                  Re: Missing Sub "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-24 13:56 -0700
        Re: Missing Sub -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2023-06-22 13:28 -0700
          Re: Missing Sub Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2023-06-22 16:54 -0700
            Re: Missing Sub pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2023-06-23 11:55 +0000
            Re: Missing Sub Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:19 -0400
          Re: Missing Sub Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:18 -0400
            Re: Missing Sub -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2023-06-23 08:25 -0700
              Re: Missing Sub Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> - 2023-06-23 10:40 -0700
              Re: Missing Sub -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2023-06-23 16:59 -0700
      Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 12:50 -0700
      Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 23:10 -0700
        Re: Missing Sub Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-23 16:15 +1000
          Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-22 23:43 -0700
      Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-02 18:55 -0700
        Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-03 10:24 -0700
          Re: Missing Sub The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-03 14:40 -0700
    Re: Missing Sub Yak <Yak@inbox.com> - 2023-06-22 15:39 -0400
      Re: Missing Sub Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2023-06-23 02:09 +0000
        Re: Missing Sub Yak <Yak@inbox.com> - 2023-06-23 08:34 -0400
          Re: Missing Sub -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2023-06-23 05:50 -0700
            Re: Missing Sub Yak <Yak@inbox.com> - 2023-06-23 08:59 -0400
              Re: Missing Sub -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2023-06-23 08:23 -0700
              Re: Missing Sub David Hartung <shitbag.hartung@shitbags.r.us> - 2023-06-23 10:40 -0700
          Re: Missing Sub Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2023-06-23 13:02 +0000
            Re: Missing Sub Yak <Yak@inbox.com> - 2023-06-23 09:34 -0400
              Re: Missing Sub Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> - 2023-06-23 10:39 -0700
              Re: Missing Sub Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 19:48 -0400
                Re: Missing Sub Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2023-06-23 17:30 -0700
                  Re: Missing Sub Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> - 2023-06-24 00:38 +0000
                    Re: Missing Sub Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2023-06-24 01:44 +0000
                      Re: Missing Sub Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> - 2023-06-24 01:59 +0000
                      Re: Missing Sub Robert Youngdale <another.jaques@idiot> - 2023-06-23 19:03 -0700
    Re: Missing Sub "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 13:10 -0700
      Re: Missing Sub Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2023-06-22 17:04 -0700

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#2673197

JanPB wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:02:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > It doesn't have a toilet?
> > >
> > > It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free shipping)
> > >
> > > Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
> > >
> > > an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
> > >
> > > no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
> > >
> > > don't lean on the window...
> > I want the names and pictures of those NASA guys who worked on dat
> > thing...
> >
> > i wanna see what stupid people look like.
> 
> It seems the CEO was simply lying about the extent of NASA's involvement.
> 
> --
> Jan

"the extent"???? You mean 'they' are doing an 'Einstein on it'...NASA didn't actually worked on the sub project directly, just indirectly as consultants.



Eveybody will be walking away from dis one...


"I HAD NOTHIN TO DO WIT IT!!!!"



"where's my check?"


Not even the gamepad controller manufacture wants to comment on it.



and the banging just...disapeared. 


"Banging? What banging??" 


"i didn't hear no banging...."



apologists

a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.







-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#2673383

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> JanPB wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:02:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't have a toilet?
> > > >
> > > > It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free shipping)
> > > >
> > > > Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
> > > >
> > > > an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
> > > >
> > > > no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
> > > >
> > > > don't lean on the window...
> > > I want the names and pictures of those NASA guys who worked on dat
> > > thing...
> > >
> > > i wanna see what stupid people look like.
> >
> > It seems the CEO was simply lying about the extent of NASA's involvement.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> 
> "the extent"???? You mean 'they' are doing an 'Einstein on it'...NASA didn't actually worked on the sub project directly, just indirectly as consultants.
> 
> Eveybody will be walking away from dis one...
> 
> "I HAD NOTHIN TO DO WIT IT!!!!"
> 
> "where's my check?"
> 
> Not even the gamepad controller manufacture wants to comment on it.
> 
> and the banging just...disapeared.
> 
> "Banging? What banging??"
> 
> "i didn't hear no banging...."
> 
> apologists
> 
> a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.
> 

HELL, it LOOKS like it was Built by NASA!
https://gray-waff-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/kC7V0hnBoK6cJIoFJrGwtEpWJxA=/1200x675/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/4GP5RFSEXNDJPJH2MNEPC2ANVI.jpg



NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center had a Space Act Agreement with OceanGate and consulted on materials and manufacturing processes for the submersible. 
For the safety of our team members during the COVID-19 pandemic, as well as limited resources and availability, NASA Marshall engineers only participated remotely 
in technical interchange meetings, providing consultation for materials and manufacturing processes based on industry standards. 


blame it on the chink virus!


To put it simply...NASA FUCKED UP AGAIN!


Ask any teacher if they will in one built by NASA...


Every time NASA sends something up in the sky...people close their eyes and ears and scream..."IT'S GOING TO FUCKING EXPLODE!!!!"


Why would anybody get into anything built by NASA? YOU THINK THEY GIVE A FUCK IF YOU DIE?????


Who's idea was it to use a gamepad joystick to Navigate dat sub???? WHO????


NASA...it couldn't be anybody else.


Only NASA thinks of things like that!



 		
Here is the video of the guy with the toy controller in his hand inside
the sub...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlDINqAAFaQ&t=63s



Who's idea was it to use a toy gamepad  to Navigate dat sub???? WHO????


NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center had a Space Act Agreement with OceanGate and consulted on materials and manufacturing processes for the submersible. 
For the safety of our team members during the COVID-19 pandemic, as well as limited resources and availability, NASA Marshall engineers only participated remotely 
in technical interchange meetings, providing consultation for materials and manufacturing processes based on industry standards. 



SUE THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS, RIGHT?



















-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#2673474

also, Boeing and NASA were working together on it...

(maybe they plan to steal it also....)






The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > JanPB wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:02:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't have a toilet?
> > > > >
> > > > > It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free shipping)
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
> > > > >
> > > > > an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
> > > > >
> > > > > no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > don't lean on the window...
> > > > I want the names and pictures of those NASA guys who worked on dat
> > > > thing...
> > > >
> > > > i wanna see what stupid people look like.
> > >
> > > It seems the CEO was simply lying about the extent of NASA's involvement.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> >
> > "the extent"???? You mean 'they' are doing an 'Einstein on it'...NASA didn't actually worked on the sub project directly, just indirectly as consultants.
> >
> > Eveybody will be walking away from dis one...
> >
> > "I HAD NOTHIN TO DO WIT IT!!!!"
> >
> > "where's my check?"
> >
> > Not even the gamepad controller manufacture wants to comment on it.
> >
> > and the banging just...disapeared.
> >
> > "Banging? What banging??"
> >
> > "i didn't hear no banging...."
> >
> > apologists
> >
> > a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.
> >
> 
> HELL, it LOOKS like it was Built by NASA!
> https://gray-waff-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/kC7V0hnBoK6cJIoFJrGwtEpWJxA=/1200x675/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.
> 
> NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center had a Space Act Agreement with OceanGate and consulted on materials and manufacturing processes for the submersible.
> For the safety of our team members during the COVID-19 pandemic, as well as limited resources and availability, NASA Marshall engineers only participated remotely
> in technical interchange meetings, providing consultation for materials and manufacturing processes based on industry standards.
> 
> blame it on the chink virus!
> 
> To put it simply...NASA FUCKED UP AGAIN!
> 
> Ask any teacher if they will in one built by NASA...
> 
> Every time NASA sends something up in the sky...people close their eyes and ears and scream..."IT'S GOING TO FUCKING EXPLODE!!!!"
> 
> Why would anybody get into anything built by NASA? YOU THINK THEY GIVE A FUCK IF YOU DIE?????
> 
> Who's idea was it to use a gamepad joystick to Navigate dat sub???? WHO????
> 
> NASA...it couldn't be anybody else.
> 
> Only NASA thinks of things like that!
> 
> 
> Here is the video of the guy with the toy controller in his hand inside
> the sub...
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlDINqAAFaQ&t=63s
> 
> Who's idea was it to use a toy gamepad  to Navigate dat sub???? WHO????
> 
> NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center had a Space Act Agreement with OceanGate and consulted on materials and manufacturing processes for the submersible.
> For the safety of our team members during the COVID-19 pandemic, as well as limited resources and availability, NASA Marshall engineers only participated remotely
> in technical interchange meetings, providing consultation for materials and manufacturing processes based on industry standards.
> 
> SUE THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS, RIGHT?
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#2670088

On 6/22/2023 2:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> It doesn't have a toilet?
> 
> 
> It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free shipping)
> 
> 
> 
> Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
> 
> 
> an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
> 
> 
> no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
> 
> 
> don't lean on the window...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter to 
stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?

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#2670216

Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u7280q$3ba0u$1@dont-email.me:

> On 6/22/2023 2:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> It doesn't have a toilet?
>> 
>> 
>> It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free shipping)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
>> 
>> 
>> an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
>> 
>> 
>> no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
>> 
>> 
>> don't lean on the window...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter to 
> stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
> 


     Regulation by whom?

    

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#2670361

On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u7280q$3ba0u$1@dont-email.me:
> 
>> On 6/22/2023 2:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> It doesn't have a toilet?
>>>
>>>
>>> It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free shipping)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
>>>
>>>
>>> an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
>>>
>>>
>>> no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> don't lean on the window...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter to
>> stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
>>
> 
> 
>       Regulation by whom?

Take a wild freaking guess.

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#2670363

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-4, Yak wrote:
> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote: 
> > Yak wrote:
> >> ... 
> >> 
> >> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter
> >> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation? 
> > 
> > Regulation by whom?
>
> Take a wild freaking guess.

No one country can effectively regulate activities in international waters.
They can basically just regulate who steams into their territorial waters:

[quote]
Is there a body that regulates the submersible industry?

Submersibles don’t fall under international law like oceangoing ships do where 
you have to be flagged in a nation and then you have to be inspected by both the 
nation you’re flagged by and the nations you sail into. To insure a vessel, you would 
usually have a third-party classification society, an entity like the American Bureau of 
Shipping, come onboard and make sure you’re following all the rules as they’re laid out.

Submersibles are different because they don’t sail in and out of ports. They’re carried, 
so most submersible rules are local rules. For example, in the U.S. there are specific rules 
for operating submersibles in and out of U.S. ports and in U.S. waters. The catch with 
OceanGate and the Titan was they were basically operating outside territorial waters — 
they’re past the 12-mile limit, and they’re launching off a Canadian vessel. There didn’t 
appear to really be any sort of jurisdictions applying to this vessel. They’re not breaking 
the laws, but they’re operating in a very gray area.
[/quote]

< https://www.curbed.com/2023/06/oceangate-titan-submarine-unregulated-tourism.html>

-hh

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#2670366

On 6/23/2023 8:50 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-4, Yak wrote:
>> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Yak wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter
>>>> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
>>>
>>> Regulation by whom?
>>
>> Take a wild freaking guess.
> 
> No one country can effectively regulate activities in international waters.
> They can basically just regulate who steams into their territorial waters:
> 
> [quote]
> Is there a body that regulates the submersible industry?
> 
> Submersibles don’t fall under international law like oceangoing ships do where
> you have to be flagged in a nation and then you have to be inspected by both the
> nation you’re flagged by and the nations you sail into. To insure a vessel, you would
> usually have a third-party classification society, an entity like the American Bureau of
> Shipping, come onboard and make sure you’re following all the rules as they’re laid out.
> 
> Submersibles are different because they don’t sail in and out of ports. They’re carried,
> so most submersible rules are local rules. For example, in the U.S. there are specific rules
> for operating submersibles in and out of U.S. ports and in U.S. waters. The catch with
> OceanGate and the Titan was they were basically operating outside territorial waters —
> they’re past the 12-mile limit, and they’re launching off a Canadian vessel. There didn’t
> appear to really be any sort of jurisdictions applying to this vessel. They’re not breaking
> the laws, but they’re operating in a very gray area.
> [/quote]
> 
> < https://www.curbed.com/2023/06/oceangate-titan-submarine-unregulated-tourism.html>
> 
> -hh


Congress already passed legislation a few years ago requiring NOAA to 
approve expeditions that could potentially disturb the Titanic’s wreck 
site. It systematically reviews applications to explore it. Guaranteed 
more to come.

So have no fear, congress will not let this tragedy pass without meddling.

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#2670423

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:59:16 AM UTC-4, Yak wrote:
> On 6/23/2023 8:50 AM, -hh wrote: 
> > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-4, Yak wrote: 
> >> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote: 
> >>> Yak wrote: 
> >>>> ... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter 
> >>>> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation? 
> >>> 
> >>> Regulation by whom? 
> >> 
> >> Take a wild freaking guess. 
> > 
> > No one country can effectively regulate activities in international waters. 
> > They can basically just regulate who steams into their territorial waters: 
> > 
> > [quote] 
> > Is there a body that regulates the submersible industry? 
> > 
> > Submersibles don’t fall under international law like oceangoing ships do where 
> > you have to be flagged in a nation and then you have to be inspected by both the 
> > nation you’re flagged by and the nations you sail into. To insure a vessel, you would 
> > usually have a third-party classification society, an entity like the American Bureau of 
> > Shipping, come onboard and make sure you’re following all the rules as they’re laid out. 
> > 
> > Submersibles are different because they don’t sail in and out of ports. They’re carried, 
> > so most submersible rules are local rules. For example, in the U.S. there are specific rules 
> > for operating submersibles in and out of U.S. ports and in U.S. waters. The catch with 
> > OceanGate and the Titan was they were basically operating outside territorial waters — 
> > they’re past the 12-mile limit, and they’re launching off a Canadian vessel. There didn’t 
> > appear to really be any sort of jurisdictions applying to this vessel. They’re not breaking 
> > the laws, but they’re operating in a very gray area. 
> > [/quote] 
> > 
> > < https://www.curbed.com/2023/06/oceangate-titan-submarine-unregulated-tourism.html> 
> 
> Congress already passed legislation a few years ago requiring NOAA to 
> approve expeditions that could potentially disturb the Titanic’s wreck 
> site. It systematically reviews applications to explore it. 

Because of authority granted by an international treaty.

> Guaranteed more to come. 

Probably, but just like the Titanic site, via an international treaty.

> So have no fear, congress will not let this tragedy pass without meddling.

Nah, private liability insurance is enough to take care of it.

-hh

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#2670469

On 6/23/2023 5:59 AM, Gak, fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times at 
parochial school, lied:

> On 6/23/2023 8:50 AM, -hh wrote:
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-4, Gak, fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times at parochial school, lied:
>>> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Gak, fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times at parochial school, lied:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter
>>>>> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
>>>>
>>>> Regulation by whom?
>>>
>>> Take a wild freaking guess.
>>
>> No one country can effectively regulate activities in international waters.
>> They can basically just regulate who steams into their territorial waters:
>>
>> [quote]
>> Is there a body that regulates the submersible industry?
>>
>> Submersibles don’t fall under international law like oceangoing ships do where
>> you have to be flagged in a nation and then you have to be inspected by both the
>> nation you’re flagged by and the nations you sail into. To insure a vessel, 
>> you would
>> usually have a third-party classification society, an entity like the American 
>> Bureau of
>> Shipping, come onboard and make sure you’re following all the rules as they’re 
>> laid out.
>>
>> Submersibles are different because they don’t sail in and out of ports. 
>> They’re carried,
>> so most submersible rules are local rules. For example, in the U.S. there are 
>> specific rules
>> for operating submersibles in and out of U.S. ports and in U.S. waters. The 
>> catch with
>> OceanGate and the Titan was they were basically operating outside territorial 
>> waters —
>> they’re past the 12-mile limit, and they’re launching off a Canadian vessel. 
>> There didn’t
>> appear to really be any sort of jurisdictions applying to this vessel. They’re 
>> not breaking
>> the laws, but they’re operating in a very gray area.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> < 
>> https://www.curbed.com/2023/06/oceangate-titan-submarine-unregulated-tourism.html>
>>
>> -hh
> 
> 
> Congress already passed legislation a few years ago requiring NOAA to approve 
> expeditions that could potentially disturb the Titanic’s wreck site.

That is *bullshit*, scooter.  NOAA has no regulatory authority over an 
expedition setting sail from a foreign country, and it has no regulatory 
authority *whatever* over any vessels used, including submersibles, on an 
expedition setting sail from the U.S.

    Since the discovery of the Titanic wreck site in 1985, executive branch
    agencies have been involved in protecting and preserving the site, from
    participating in exploration and scientific expeditions to negotiating the
    International Agreement.  Following the enactment of Section 113, the United
    States deposited its instrument of acceptance for the International
    Agreement, which entered into force between the United States and the United
    Kingdom on November 18, 2019.

    Consistent with the Titanic Memorial Act, NOAA developed Guidelines for
    Research, Exploration and Salvage of RMS Titanic (NOAA Guidelines) in 2001,
    in consultation with the United Kingdom, France, Canada, and other interested
    countries.  66 Fed. Reg. 18905 (April 12, 2001).  These legally non-binding
    guidelines set standards for research, exploration and salvage activities at
    the wreck site and are consistent with the Rules Concerning Activities Aimed
    at the RMS Titanic and/or its Artifacts, which are annexed to the
    International Agreement (Annex Rules).

    The Secretary of Commerce has delegated most Secretarial authority under
    Section 113 to NOAA. 84 Fed. Reg. 38012(Aug. 5, 2019).  Therefore, any person
    subject to U.S. jurisdiction proposing to conduct research, exploration,
    salvage, or other activity that would physically alter or disturb the wreck
    or wreck site of Titanic must obtain a project authorization from NOAA in
    advance of such activities.  NOAA evaluates requests for Section 113
    authorization to determine if the proposed project will comply with Section
    113, and, in doing so, NOAA reviews the International Agreement, including
    the Agreement’s Annex Rules, and the NOAA Guidelines.  Additional information
    regarding NOAA’s implementation of Section 113 is available in the Titanic
    Authorizations FAQ.

    NOAA also participates on behalf of the United States, and to preserve and
    protect the public interest in the Titanic, in proceedings before the U.S.
    District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, which oversees
    activities of the current salvor-in-possession of Titanic, R.M.S. Titanic,
    Inc.  R.M.S. Titanic, Inc. v. The Wrecked & Abandoned Vessel, 531 F. Supp. 2d
    691, offsite link693 (E.D. Va. 2007).

https://www.noaa.gov/gc-international-section/rms-titanic-frequently-asked-questions

There is *nothing* in any part of that giving NOAA or any other federal agency 
regulatory authority over the submersibles.  Fuck off, you priest-fucked lying 
shitbag.

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#2670368

Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u743gj$3nlff$1@dont-email.me:

> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u7280q$3ba0u$1@dont-email.me:
>> 
>>> On 6/22/2023 2:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> It doesn't have a toilet?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free
>>>> shipping) 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> don't lean on the window...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter
>>> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
>>>
>> 
>> 
>>       Regulation by whom?
> 
> Take a wild freaking guess.
> 


     This is in international waters, dimbulb. 

     So again, regulation by whom?

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#2670385

On 6/23/2023 9:02 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u743gj$3nlff$1@dont-email.me:
> 
>> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u7280q$3ba0u$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 6/22/2023 2:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> It doesn't have a toilet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free
>>>>> shipping)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> don't lean on the window...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter
>>>> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        Regulation by whom?
>>
>> Take a wild freaking guess.
>>
> 
> 
>       This is in international waters, dimbulb.
> 
>       So again, regulation by whom?

By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.

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#2670462

On 6/23/2023 6:34 AM, Yak wrote:
> On 6/23/2023 9:02 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u743gj$3nlff$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:u7280q$3ba0u$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/22/2023 2:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> It doesn't have a toilet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free
>>>>>> shipping)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> don't lean on the window...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter
>>>>> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Regulation by whom?
>>>
>>> Take a wild freaking guess.
>>>
>>
>>
>>       This is in international waters, dimbulb.
>>
>>       So again, regulation by whom?
> 
> By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.

Bull-fucking-shit.  Congress does not regulate travel to the Titanic site, you 
stupid fucked-up-the-ass-by-priests liar.  The Titanic shipwreck debris field is 
protected by international convention, but you can steer your little 6hp 
putt-putt boat directly over the site without anyone's permission, and there is 
no U.S. law regulating that.

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#2670592

On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 09:34:44 -0400, Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote:

>On 6/23/2023 9:02 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote 
>>> On 6/22/2023 10:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote
>>>>> On 6/22/2023 2:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> It doesn't have a toilet?
>>>>>> It uses a old Amazon cheap $30.00 video game controller? (free
>>>>>> shipping)
>>>>>> Why would you trust Nasa to build dat thing???
>>>>>> an Xbox contoller makes it go left?
>>>>>> no fat people allowed in dat thing, right?
>>>>>> don't lean on the window...
>>>>> The real question is who will be the first liberal congresscritter
>>>>> to stick his/her fat nose into this and demand regulation?
>>>>        Regulation by whom?
>>> Take a wild freaking guess.

>>       This is in international waters, dimbulb.
>>       So again, regulation by whom?
>
>By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.

Cite the law.

Congress has no jurisdiction.  Titanic is in international waters.

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#2670604

Governor Swill wrote:
>> By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.
> Cite the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_Concerning_the_Shipwrecked_Vessel_RMS_Titanic

> Congress has no jurisdiction.  Titanic is in international waters.

The laws in international waters are whatever the countries in 
those waters agree they are.


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#2670608

On 2023-06-24, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
> Governor Swill wrote:
>>> By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.
>> Cite the law.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_Concerning_the_Shipwrecked_Vessel_RMS_Titanic
>
>> Congress has no jurisdiction.  Titanic is in international waters.
>
> The laws in international waters are whatever the countries in 
> those waters agree they are.
>

The underwater submersible community is not that large and they all know each other.
Many of the more experienced people have written written OceanGate expressing their opinions that 
the sub was not safe but the CEO did not listen.

And while the doomed passengers signed what looks like solid releases from suing the company should 
something go wrong, that is based upon what they were told ahead of time regarding the craft and 
it's safety.
The families are going to collect a lot assuming OceanGate doesn't go bankrupt, which they probably 
will.
It's tragic but going to be interesting as the investigations commence.
Any 3rd year metallurgy student can tell you that carbon fiber is highly brittle and a poor choice 
for a craft under those extreme pressures. Even a breach of the hull the size of a pinhole would 
escalate into an implosion. 

-- 
Charlie Glock
"To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens"
-- Adolf Hitler

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#2670626

Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote in
news:tWqlM.59420$Zq81.53168@fx15.iad: 

> On 2023-06-24, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.
>>> Cite the law.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_Concerning_the_Shipwrecked_Ves
>> sel_RMS_Titanic 
>>
>>> Congress has no jurisdiction.  Titanic is in international waters.
>>
>> The laws in international waters are whatever the countries in 
>> those waters agree they are.
>>
> 
> The underwater submersible community is not that large and they all
> know each other. Many of the more experienced people have written
> written OceanGate expressing their opinions that the sub was not safe
> but the CEO did not listen. 
> 
> And while the doomed passengers signed what looks like solid releases
> from suing the company should something go wrong, that is based upon
> what they were told ahead of time regarding the craft and it's safety.
> The families are going to collect a lot assuming OceanGate doesn't go
> bankrupt, which they probably will.
> It's tragic but going to be interesting as the investigations
> commence. Any 3rd year metallurgy student can tell you that carbon
> fiber is highly brittle and a poor choice for a craft under those
> extreme pressures. Even a breach of the hull the size of a pinhole
> would escalate into an implosion. 
> 


    Something else missing from this 
toy submersable is any insulation. It
gets insanely cold even on the surface
much less thousands of feet down. 

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#2670635

On 2023-06-24, Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote in
> news:tWqlM.59420$Zq81.53168@fx15.iad: 
>
>> On 2023-06-24, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.
>>>> Cite the law.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_Concerning_the_Shipwrecked_Ves
>>> sel_RMS_Titanic 
>>>
>>>> Congress has no jurisdiction.  Titanic is in international waters.
>>>
>>> The laws in international waters are whatever the countries in 
>>> those waters agree they are.
>>>
>> 
>> The underwater submersible community is not that large and they all
>> know each other. Many of the more experienced people have written
>> written OceanGate expressing their opinions that the sub was not safe
>> but the CEO did not listen. 
>> 
>> And while the doomed passengers signed what looks like solid releases
>> from suing the company should something go wrong, that is based upon
>> what they were told ahead of time regarding the craft and it's safety.
>> The families are going to collect a lot assuming OceanGate doesn't go
>> bankrupt, which they probably will.
>> It's tragic but going to be interesting as the investigations
>> commence. Any 3rd year metallurgy student can tell you that carbon
>> fiber is highly brittle and a poor choice for a craft under those
>> extreme pressures. Even a breach of the hull the size of a pinhole
>> would escalate into an implosion. 
>> 
>
>
>     Something else missing from this 
> toy submersable is any insulation. It
> gets insanely cold even on the surface
> much less thousands of feet down. 

That's a valid point.


-- 
Charlie Glock
"To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens"
-- Adolf Hitler

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#2670637

On 6/23/2023 6:44 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote in
> news:tWqlM.59420$Zq81.53168@fx15.iad:
> 
>> On 2023-06-24, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> By congress. It already regulates trips to the titanic site.
>>>> Cite the law.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_Concerning_the_Shipwrecked_Ves
>>> sel_RMS_Titanic
>>>
>>>> Congress has no jurisdiction.  Titanic is in international waters.
>>>
>>> The laws in international waters are whatever the countries in
>>> those waters agree they are.
>>>
>>
>> The underwater submersible community is not that large and they all
>> know each other. Many of the more experienced people have written
>> written OceanGate expressing their opinions that the sub was not safe
>> but the CEO did not listen.
>>
>> And while the doomed passengers signed what looks like solid releases
>> from suing the company should something go wrong, that is based upon
>> what they were told ahead of time regarding the craft and it's safety.
>> The families are going to collect a lot assuming OceanGate doesn't go
>> bankrupt, which they probably will.
>> It's tragic but going to be interesting as the investigations
>> commence. Any 3rd year metallurgy student can tell you that carbon
>> fiber is highly brittle and a poor choice for a craft under those
>> extreme pressures. Even a breach of the hull the size of a pinhole
>> would escalate into an implosion.
>>
> 
> 
>      Something else missing from this
> toy submersable 

LOL!  It's *submersible* — 'i', not 'a' — but putting "toy" in front of it was a 
stroke of genius.  You win Usenet today.  Good stuff!

> is any insulation.

Are you sure?

> It gets insanely cold even on the surface
> much less thousands of feet down.

The Titanic hit an iceberg on April 14.  We're now at the summer solstice.  I 
don't think it's nearly as cold at the surface.  According to this PBS story 
(https://tinyurl.com/yckkt72j), the temperature at the depth of the Titanic is 
about 33F.  That's pretty chilly, but if five people packed into a tight space 
are wearing warm enough clothing, they'd be fine.  I've been out for walks 
wearing a good parka in far colder temperatures, and I was perfectly comfortable.

The fact is the submersible never got to the depth of the Titanic.  It imploded 
*long* before reaching the shipwreck.  The reason communication was lost between 
the submersible and the surface ship relatively early into the dive on Sunday 
*was* the implosion.  Those poor saps never even got close to the Titanic.

It wasn't the cold that killed them or caused the disaster.  It was the shitty, 
uncertified design of the submersible.

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#2670099

On 6/22/2023 11:00 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> It doesn't have a toilet?
[...]


Horrible thought. I wonder if it had some sort of catastrophic event 
that caused the vessel to instantly implode? Or, did they slowly suffer 
to death! God damn it, this is really bad. Damn. God bless them. Damn.

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