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  Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-05-15 14:56 +0000
    Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-05-17 22:29 +0000
      Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-05-22 11:20 +0000
        Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-22 07:43 -0400
          Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2025-05-22 13:20 +0000
            Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 17:58 -0400
            Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 18:20 -0400
        Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-05-23 07:05 -0400
          Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA Barth Gimble <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-05-24 11:37 -0700
            Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-05-24 17:50 -0400
              Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-05-28 12:23 +0000
                Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-05-31 11:47 +0000
                  Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-06-04 10:21 +0000

#2932168 — Re: Trump Wants The End Of Science In The USA

>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>> | Dismissed

> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
> | Diseases to Stop Research

 | 
 | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
 | 
 | As President Trump guts American research institutions,
 | world leaders see a "once-in-a-century brain gain
 | opportunity."
 | ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/business/economy/trump-research-brain-drain.html>

    --bks

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#2932955

>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>> | Dismissed

>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>> | Diseases to Stop Research

> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump

 | 
 | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
 | government
 | 
 | The U.S. DOGE Service's push for early retirement and
 | deferred resignation is leading to a federal brain drain,
 | longtime staffers fear.
 | ... 
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/05/17/trump-administration-brain-drain-doge/>

    --bks

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#2934279

>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>> | Dismissed

>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>> | Diseases to Stop Research

>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump

> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
> | government

 | 
 | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
 | indiscriminate
 | 
 | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
 | are being cancelled
 | ...
<https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-attack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate>

    --bks

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#2934289

Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

>>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>>> | Dismissed
>
>>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>>> | Diseases to Stop Research
>
>>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
>
>> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
>> | government
>
> | 
> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
> | indiscriminate
> | 
> | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
> | are being cancelled
> | ...
> <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-attack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate>

    <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/america-is-in-danger-of-experiencing-an-academic-brain-drain>

-- 
Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

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#2934309

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
news:100n2mk$3emvm$1@dont-email.me: 

> Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>>>> | Dismissed
>>
>>>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>>>> | Diseases to Stop Research
>>
>>>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
>>
>>> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
>>> | government
>>
>> | 
>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>> | indiscriminate
>> | 
>> | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
>> | are being cancelled
>> | ...
>> <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-at
>> tack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate> 
> 
>     <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/americ
>     a-is-in-danger-of-experiencing-an-academic-brain-drain> 
> 


     As with Germany in the 1930's scientists
are fleeing abroad. And for the same reason.

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#2934474

On Thu, 22 May 2025 13:20:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
>news:100n2mk$3emvm$1@dont-email.me: 
>
>> Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>>>>> | Dismissed
>>>
>>>>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>>>>> | Diseases to Stop Research
>>>
>>>>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
>>>
>>>> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
>>>> | government
>>>
>>> | 
>>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>>> | indiscriminate
>>> | 
>>> | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
>>> | are being cancelled
>>> | ...
>>> <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-at
>>> tack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate> 
>> 
>>     <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/americ
>>     a-is-in-danger-of-experiencing-an-academic-brain-drain> 
>> 
>
>
>     As with Germany in the 1930's scientists
>are fleeing abroad. And for the same reason.
>

And in a couple of decades, to the same result.

Trump is making America a backwater.

-- 
https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget

What ARE we spending it on ... really?

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#2934484

On Thu, 22 May 2025 13:20:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

But first, this message.

"The European Commission has launched a new initiative to attract
researchers and scientists to the European Union—especially those from
the United States. The Choose Europe for Science program, backed with
more than half a billion dollars, is designed to offer an alternative
to researchers who have been forced to seek new opportunities
following cuts in scientific funding imposed by President Donald
Trump’s administration."
<https://www.wired.com/story/us-cuts-scientific-talent-europe/>

"France and EU to incentivise US-based scientists to come to Europe"

"Macron and von der Leyen expected to announce protections for
researchers seeking to relocate amid Trump’s crackdown"
<https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/04/france-eu-us-based-scientists-come-to-europe-emmanuel-macron-ursula-von-der-leyen>

>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote
>> Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>>>>> | Dismissed
>>>>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>>>>> | Diseases to Stop Research
>>>>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
>>>> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
>>>> | government
>>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>>> | indiscriminate
>>> | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
>>> | are being cancelled

Attack Science:
>>> <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-attack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate> 

Set off Brain Drain:
>>     <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/america-is-in-danger-of-experiencing-an-academic-brain-drain> 
>
>     As with Germany in the 1930's scientists
>are fleeing abroad. And for the same reason.

And we know to what result.


Norway and Sweden are actively courting researchers whose funding has
been recently cut by the Trump.  They're offering signing bonuses,
attractive salaries and even inviting them for visits to see what the
country is like and what their purchase parity can buy.

I read about that two weeks ago and can only assume other countries
are following their lead.  They're going to pick and choose from the
cream of American eggheads.  That's means the Next Big Thing, won't be
American, it'll be Canadian, European or even Chinese.

Oh, look!

"Top American scientists just lost their jobs. Canada is rolling out
the welcome mat"
<https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/us-scientists-canada-1.7502527>

This story is getting little coverage on the right.
L38% - C38% - R24%

<https://ground.news/article/europe-is-trying-to-profit-from-the-brain-drain-from-the-us-triggered-by-trump>
-- 
https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget

What ARE we spending it on ... really?

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#2934682

On Thu, 22 May 2025 11:20:24 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>>> | Dismissed
>
>>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>>> | Diseases to Stop Research
>
>>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
>
>> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
>> | government
>
> | 
> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
> | indiscriminate
> | 
> | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
> | are being cancelled
> | ...
><https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-attack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate>
>
>    --bks

DEI is science now?

Laughter

Loser

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#2935239

On 5/23/2025 4:05 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2025 11:20:24 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>>>> | Dismissed
>>
>>>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>>>> | Diseases to Stop Research
>>
>>>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
>>
>>> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
>>> | government
>>
>> |
>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>> | indiscriminate
>> |
>> | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
>> | are being cancelled
>> | ...
>> <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-attack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate>
>>
>>     --bks
> 
> DEI is science now?

Not what he said, and you fucking well know it — loser.

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#2935331

Barth Gimble wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 5/23/2025 4:05 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 May 2025 11:20:24 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>> Sherman) wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> | All Authors Working on Flagship U.S. Climate Report Are
>>>>>>>>>>> | Dismissed
>>>
>>>>>> | RFK Jr.'s HHS Orders Lab Studying Deadly Infectious
>>>>>> | Diseases to Stop Research
>>>
>>>>> | The World Is Wooing U.S. Researchers Shunned by Trump
>>>
>>>> | Trump's actions are pushing thousands of experts to flee
>>>> | government
>>>
>>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>>> | indiscriminate
>>> |
>>> | It started as a crackdown on DEI. Now all types of research
>>> | are being cancelled
>>> | ...
>>> <https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/05/21/trumps-attack-on-science-is-growing-fiercer-and-more-indiscriminate>
>> 
>> DEI is science now?
>
> Not what he said, and you fucking well know it — loser.

Elon's Grok AI and the federal science bureaucrats knuckling under to this
unconstitional dismantiling of science are rejecting or calling back already
allocated money to grants that:

    -   Were allocated to disadvantaged (e.g. hispanics or rural whites)
        Ph.D.s
    -   Contain key words like "diversity"
    -   Promote science in subjects Trump doesn't like, such as climate
        change.

-- 
Revenge is a meal best served cold.

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#2936524

>>>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>>>> | indiscriminate

 | ... 
 | So it is all across America. Our nation's ability to
 | attract foreigners to study here is one of our great
 | strengths. Or maybe I should say was one of our strengths.
 | 
 | According to Politico, a cable from Marco Rubio, the
 | secretary of state, has directed U.S. embassies and
 | consulates to halt all processing of visa applications from
 | foreigners hoping to study in the United States. This is
 | reportedly a temporary measure in preparation for a new
 | system in which would-be students will be screened on the
 | basis of their social media history. And you can be sure
 | that the criteria for denying entry will go far beyond, you
 | know, advocating terrorism. Probably asking "Why was Trump
 | talking to West Point grads about trophy wives?" will be
 | grounds for rejection.
 | ...
<https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/america-turns-its-back-on-the-world>

    --bks

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#2937469

>>>>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>>>>> | indiscriminate

 | 
 | World Scientists Look Elsewhere as U.S. Labs Stagger Under
 | Trump Cuts
 | 
 | With the welcome mat withdrawn for promising researchers
 | from around the world, America is at risk of losing its
 | longstanding pre-eminence in the sciences.
 | ... 
<https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/31/world/asia/us-science-cuts.html>

    --bks

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#2938769

>>>>>> | Trump's attack on science is growing fiercer and more
>>>>>> | indiscriminate

> | World Scientists Look Elsewhere as U.S. Labs Stagger Under
> | Trump Cuts

 | ... 
 | They're easy to summarize. Everything gets gutted. The NIH
 | and all its parts (such as the Centers for Disease Control
 | and Prevention), the National Science Foundation, the
 | National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (including
 | the National Weather Service), NASA. . .everything is
 | slashed in ways that no budget has ever slashed them
 | before. The NIH, for example, would see its budget cut by
 | nearly 40%, back to the levels of over twenty years ago,
 | and see many of its institutes closed and consolidated. The
 | NSF budget would be cut by 50%.  NASA would see all sort of
 | facilities and observatories closed, and a number of
 | missions just completely abandoned. NOAA's budget would be
 | cut by 24%. It goes on.
 | 
 | These cuts will do very little to the overall federal
 | budget by themselves, as I detailed here. They are all part
 | of the administration's agenda to cripple federally funded
 | R&D; that goal overrides any talk about spending. The
 | attacks on universities, on grant costs, on foreign
 | research students here in the US: all of these will work
 | together to strangle the greatest engine of research
 | discovery the world has ever seen. Whether the US can
 | recover its leadership role in the sciences, where it has
 | been since at least World War II, is an open question.
 | Germany threw away its own world scientific leadership in
 | the 1930s and in the subsequent war, and we can do it, too.
 | ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-crisis-part-xv-horrendous-trump-budget>

    --bks

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