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  CrossPost Management in Thunderbird L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-10 10:07 -0500
    Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> - 2018-09-11 07:23 +1200
      Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-10 18:55 -0500
        Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> - 2018-09-11 19:46 +1200
    Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-10 23:16 -0400
      Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-11 09:21 -0500
        Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-11 21:35 -0400
          Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-11 20:50 -0500
    Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird Bob Henson <robert.h.henson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 09:35 +0100
      Re: CrossPost Management in Thunderbird L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-11 08:40 -0500

#2161 — CrossPost Management in Thunderbird

I've recently discovered how to do something like
cross-post management on Thunderbird. It may not meet
every need or desired scenario, but it can at least mark
messages read, or delete them all together, if they've
already been loaded into another folder above it.

1. Set your news folders in the order you want them, with
     the group you want to get a copy of everything on top.
2. For that top folder, no cross-post filter is needed. It
     will get everything.
3. For the next folder below that, from message filters,
     select "customize" from the drop-down list on the far
     left, add "Newsgroups" as a custom field, then select
     that filter from the drop-down list.
4. In the next box, select "Contains"
5. In the next box, put the name of the newsgroup for your
     top level folder.
6. In "Perform these actions", select "Mark Read", or
     "delete", or whatever. This means that any article which
     was already posted to your top level folder, will now be
     marked read or deleted (or whatever) in the folder
     below it.
7. Repeat these steps for each of the folders below that,
     except add additional rows with the name of the
     newsgroup for each folder that occurs above it, and be
     sure to select "Match any of the following". Now, for
     every folder under the top folder, it will mark read any
     article that has occurred in any of the folders above
     it.

Crude, but it does seem to be working for me. At least you
don't have to see the same articles being unread over and
over again, in every group.

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#2162

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:07:40 -0500, L e e ††† wrote:

> I've recently discovered how to do something like
> cross-post management on Thunderbird. It may not meet
> every need or desired scenario, but it can at least mark
> messages read, or delete them all together, if they've
> already been loaded into another folder above it.


These days, this group alt.fan.mozilla is nearly dead.  You would have  
more readers if you posted in the newsgroup mozilla.support.thunderbird 
on the Mozilla news server news.mozilla.org.

If you have posted in the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup, your 
post is not showing on the Mozilla news server news.mozilla.org where 
most people are.

Several other news servers have "unofficial" copies of the newsgroup
mozilla.support.thunderbird.  Posts to other news servers do not appear
on the Mozilla news server where almost everyone is who reads the group.

While mozilla.support.thunderbird is a newsgroup, it is not a *Usenet* 
newsgroup.  That means, the Mozilla news server chooses not to exchange 
articles with other news servers.


-- 
Kind regards
Ralph

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#2163

On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:23:07 +1200,
Article <40gdpd5d5ab6s9e5j4mlom6i2p53hjro5i@4ax.com>,
Ralph Fox wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:07:40 -0500, L e e ††† wrote:
> 
>> I've recently discovered how to do something like
>> cross-post management on Thunderbird. It may not meet
>> every need or desired scenario, but it can at least mark
>> messages read, or delete them all together, if they've
>> already been loaded into another folder above it.
> 
> 
> These days, this group alt.fan.mozilla is nearly dead.  You would have
> more readers if you posted in the newsgroup mozilla.support.thunderbird
> on the Mozilla news server news.mozilla.org.


Yeah, I found that, and realized it was a moderated group. After 
replying to an article there, where people were wishing for cross-post 
management, the moderator rejected it, because the conversation was old. 
That's why I rarely post in moderated groups, and prefer Usenet. There's 
always some dick trying to control everything.

Meanwhile, even if no one goes directly to the group, it may show up in 
search results, if someone Googles it. Then, it may be something that 
helps renew interest in the group.

I've been looking for a solution to cross-post management in Thunderbird 
for years. When it finally came to my attention, I felt obligated to 
pass it on to others. If no one cares, so be it. I imagine there are 
some who still want cross-post management capabilities in Thunderbird, 
and there may be some who find it indirectly, through search results.


> If you have posted in the mozilla.support.thunderbird newsgroup, your
> post is not showing on the Mozilla news server news.mozilla.org where
> most people are.
> 
> Several other news servers have "unofficial" copies of the newsgroup
> mozilla.support.thunderbird.  Posts to other news servers do not appear
> on the Mozilla news server where almost everyone is who reads the group.
> 
> While mozilla.support.thunderbird is a newsgroup, it is not a *Usenet*
> newsgroup.  That means, the Mozilla news server chooses not to exchange
> articles with other news servers.
>
Yeah, I understand. Thanks for the info though. I appreciate your help 
and expertise in these groups.



--
Have you heard Christ's death satisfied God's righteous
demands against our sin, and that God raised Him from
the dead?

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#2165

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:55:57 -0500, L e e ††† wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:23:07 +1200,
> Article <40gdpd5d5ab6s9e5j4mlom6i2p53hjro5i@4ax.com>,
> Ralph Fox wrote:
> 
>> These days, this group alt.fan.mozilla is nearly dead.  You would have
>> more readers if you posted in the newsgroup mozilla.support.thunderbird
>> on the Mozilla news server news.mozilla.org.
> 
> 
> Yeah, I found that, and realized it was a moderated group. After 
> replying to an article there, where people were wishing for cross-post 
> management, the moderator rejected it, because the conversation was old. 
> That's why I rarely post in moderated groups, and prefer Usenet. There's 
> always some dick trying to control everything.

Usenet generally frowns on necroposting, regardless of whether the
group is or is not moderated.


> Meanwhile, even if no one goes directly to the group, it may show up in 
> search results, if someone Googles it. Then, it may be something that 
> helps renew interest in the group.

FYI they will not find it in a Google search of mozilla.support.thunderbird.  
And it has been many years since Google had an effective search across all 
groups.


> I've been looking for a solution to cross-post management in Thunderbird 
> for years. When it finally came to my attention, I felt obligated to 
> pass it on to others. If no one cares, so be it. I imagine there are 
> some who still want cross-post management capabilities in Thunderbird, 
> and there may be some who find it indirectly, through search results.

I am sure there are people who care and would be interested.  


-- 
Kind regards
Ralph
🦊 

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#2164

On 2018-09-10 11:07, L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I've recently discovered how to do something like
> cross-post management on Thunderbird. It may not meet
> every need or desired scenario, but it can at least mark
> messages read, or delete them all together, if they've
> already been loaded into another folder above it.
>
> 1. Set your news folders in the order you want them, with
>      the group you want to get a copy of everything on top.
> 2. For that top folder, no cross-post filter is needed. It
>      will get everything.
> 3. For the next folder below that, from message filters,
>      select "customize" from the drop-down list on the far
>      left, add "Newsgroups" as a custom field, then select
>      that filter from the drop-down list.
> 4. In the next box, select "Contains"
> 5. In the next box, put the name of the newsgroup for your
>      top level folder.
> 6. In "Perform these actions", select "Mark Read", or
>      "delete", or whatever. This means that any article which
>      was already posted to your top level folder, will now be
>      marked read or deleted (or whatever) in the folder
>      below it.
> 7. Repeat these steps for each of the folders below that,
>      except add additional rows with the name of the
>      newsgroup for each folder that occurs above it, and be
>      sure to select "Match any of the following". Now, for
>      every folder under the top folder, it will mark read any
>      article that has occurred in any of the folders above
>      it.
>
> Crude, but it does seem to be working for me. At least you
> don't have to see the same articles being unread over and
> over again, in every group.

Ah! Good one! And it works based on the order the groups have in the 
list-view on the left? Neat. I shall try this right now, but won't know 
how good it is until tomorrow...

Regards,

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! (o o)   Member:David-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society
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#2168

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:16:58 -0400,
Article <pn7c39$o7f$1@dont-email.me>,
B00ze wrote:

> On 2018-09-10 11:07, L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I've recently discovered how to do something like
>> cross-post management on Thunderbird. It may not meet
>> every need or desired scenario, but it can at least mark
>> messages read, or delete them all together, if they've
>> already been loaded into another folder above it.
>>
>> 1. Set your news folders in the order you want them, with
>>      the group you want to get a copy of everything on top.
>> 2. For that top folder, no cross-post filter is needed. It
>>      will get everything.
>> 3. For the next folder below that, from message filters,
>>      select "customize" from the drop-down list on the far
>>      left, add "Newsgroups" as a custom field, then select
>>      that filter from the drop-down list.
>> 4. In the next box, select "Contains"
>> 5. In the next box, put the name of the newsgroup for your
>>      top level folder.
>> 6. In "Perform these actions", select "Mark Read", or
>>      "delete", or whatever. This means that any article which
>>      was already posted to your top level folder, will now be
>>      marked read or deleted (or whatever) in the folder
>>      below it.
>> 7. Repeat these steps for each of the folders below that,
>>      except add additional rows with the name of the
>>      newsgroup for each folder that occurs above it, and be
>>      sure to select "Match any of the following". Now, for
>>      every folder under the top folder, it will mark read any
>>      article that has occurred in any of the folders above
>>      it.
>>
>> Crude, but it does seem to be working for me. At least you
>> don't have to see the same articles being unread over and
>> over again, in every group.
> 
> Ah! Good one! And it works based on the order the groups have in the 
> list-view on the left? 


Yes. Basically, you're using the "Newsgroup" filter to mark read (or 
whatever), any articles posted to newsgroups above that folder.


> Neat. I shall try this right now, but won't know 
> how good it is until tomorrow...

Hope it works for you.

> Regards,
> 




--
Have you heard Christ's death satisfied God's righteous
demands against our sin, and that God raised Him from
the dead?

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#2169

On 2018-09-11 10:21, L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:16:58 -0400,
> Article <pn7c39$o7f$1@dont-email.me>,
> B00ze wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Crude, but it does seem to be working for me. At least you
>>> don't have to see the same articles being unread over and
>>> over again, in every group.
>>
>> Ah! Good one! And it works based on the order the groups have in the
>> list-view on the left?
>
> Yes. Basically, you're using the "Newsgroup" filter to mark read (or
> whatever), any articles posted to newsgroups above that folder.

And it works! I've re-ordered my groups a little to make this work, but 
it works great. Thanks, great tip!

>> Neat. I shall try this right now, but won't know how good it is until
>> tomorrow...
>
> Hope it works for you.

-- 
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! (o o)   Member:David-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society
oO-( )-Oo  PRIME DIRECTIVE MY A**! Phasers on maximum!

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#2170

On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:35:40 -0400,
Article <pn9qhb$h2t$1@dont-email.me>,
B00ze wrote:

> On 2018-09-11 10:21, L e e ††† <lee@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:16:58 -0400,
>> Article <pn7c39$o7f$1@dont-email.me>,
>> B00ze wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> Crude, but it does seem to be working for me. At least you
>>>> don't have to see the same articles being unread over and
>>>> over again, in every group.
>>>
>>> Ah! Good one! And it works based on the order the groups have in the
>>> list-view on the left?
>>
>> Yes. Basically, you're using the "Newsgroup" filter to mark read (or
>> whatever), any articles posted to newsgroups above that folder.
> 
> And it works! I've re-ordered my groups a little to make this work, but 
> it works great. Thanks, great tip!

Glad to hear it!


>>> Neat. I shall try this right now, but won't know how good it is until
>>> tomorrow...
>>
>> Hope it works for you.
> 




Have you heard Christ's death satisfied God's righteous
demands against our sin, and that God raised Him from
the dead?

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#2166

On 10/09/2018 4.07 pm, L e e ††† wrote:
> I've recently discovered how to do something like
> cross-post management on Thunderbird. It may not meet
> every need or desired scenario, but it can at least mark
> messages read, or delete them all together, if they've
> already been loaded into another folder above it.
> 
> 1. Set your news folders in the order you want them, with
>      the group you want to get a copy of everything on top.
> 2. For that top folder, no cross-post filter is needed. It
>      will get everything.
> 3. For the next folder below that, from message filters,
>      select "customize" from the drop-down list on the far
>      left, add "Newsgroups" as a custom field, then select
>      that filter from the drop-down list.
> 4. In the next box, select "Contains"
> 5. In the next box, put the name of the newsgroup for your
>      top level folder.
> 6. In "Perform these actions", select "Mark Read", or
>      "delete", or whatever. This means that any article which
>      was already posted to your top level folder, will now be
>      marked read or deleted (or whatever) in the folder
>      below it.
> 7. Repeat these steps for each of the folders below that,
>      except add additional rows with the name of the
>      newsgroup for each folder that occurs above it, and be
>      sure to select "Match any of the following". Now, for
>      every folder under the top folder, it will mark read any
>      article that has occurred in any of the folders above
>      it.
> 
> Crude, but it does seem to be working for me. At least you
> don't have to see the same articles being unread over and
> over again, in every group.
> 

I have long used a similar but more drastic way of control. I just have
one line in a filter for all groups that says if the Newsgroups line
contains "," (just a comma - no brackets) then delete. That deletes all
cross posted messages - and as nearly every crossposted message is spam
that's good enough for me by me. If you add another line to that saying
if "Message-ID" contains "googlegroups.com" then that gets rid of the
rest of the spam. I have similar ones that remove HTML too, but as most
people stick to the Usenet rules that's not used much.

-- 
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Doctor, I've got deja vu and amnesia. Hmmm, I think I forgot that before!

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#2167

On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:35:22 +0100,
Article <fvpd27Fkha5U1@mid.individual.net>,
Bob Henson wrote:

> On 10/09/2018 4.07 pm, L e e ††† wrote:
>> I've recently discovered how to do something like
>> cross-post management on Thunderbird. It may not meet
>> every need or desired scenario, but it can at least mark
>> messages read, or delete them all together, if they've
>> already been loaded into another folder above it.
>>
>> 1. Set your news folders in the order you want them, with
>>       the group you want to get a copy of everything on top.
>> 2. For that top folder, no cross-post filter is needed. It
>>       will get everything.
>> 3. For the next folder below that, from message filters,
>>       select "customize" from the drop-down list on the far
>>       left, add "Newsgroups" as a custom field, then select
>>       that filter from the drop-down list.
>> 4. In the next box, select "Contains"
>> 5. In the next box, put the name of the newsgroup for your
>>       top level folder.
>> 6. In "Perform these actions", select "Mark Read", or
>>       "delete", or whatever. This means that any article which
>>       was already posted to your top level folder, will now be
>>       marked read or deleted (or whatever) in the folder
>>       below it.
>> 7. Repeat these steps for each of the folders below that,
>>       except add additional rows with the name of the
>>       newsgroup for each folder that occurs above it, and be
>>       sure to select "Match any of the following". Now, for
>>       every folder under the top folder, it will mark read any
>>       article that has occurred in any of the folders above
>>       it.
>>
>> Crude, but it does seem to be working for me. At least you
>> don't have to see the same articles being unread over and
>> over again, in every group.
>>
> 
> I have long used a similar but more drastic way of control. I just have
> one line in a filter for all groups that says if the Newsgroups line
> contains "," (just a comma - no brackets) then delete. That deletes all
> cross posted messages - and as nearly every crossposted message is spam
> that's good enough for me by me. If you add another line to that saying
> if "Message-ID" contains "googlegroups.com" then that gets rid of the
> rest of the spam. I have similar ones that remove HTML too, but as most
> people stick to the Usenet rules that's not used much.
> 

Thanks for sharing that.



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demands against our sin, and that God raised Him from
the dead?

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