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  More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:30 +1100
    Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:37 +1100
    Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:43 +1100
    Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:46 +1100
    Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-08 17:26 +0000
      Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2016-10-10 12:21 -0500
        Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-10 12:30 -0500
        Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-10 19:22 +0000
        Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 20:07 +0000
          Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-10 16:31 -0500
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          Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2016-10-11 09:37 -0500
            Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-11 10:25 -0500
            Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:10 +0000
        Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-10-10 17:24 -0700
          Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-11 15:21 +1100
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              Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-11 10:25 -0500
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#516 — More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers

Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
hurricanes, and tsunamis?"

Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question God’s goodness.
It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed “acts of
God� while no “credit� is given to God for years, decades, or
even centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and
the laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result
of these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the
results of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the
result of the earth’s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused
by an underwater earthquake.

The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
(Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in
Deuteronomy 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God
sometimes causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book
of Revelation describes many events which could definitely be
described as natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is
every natural disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.

In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, “The creation waits in eager
expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of
the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be
liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious
freedom of the children of God.� The fall of humanity into sin had
effects on everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in
creation is subject to “frustration� and “decay.� Sin is the
ultimate cause of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death,
disease, and suffering.

We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not
understand is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the
tsunami to kill over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow
Hurricane Katrina to destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one
thing, such events shake our confidence in this life and force us to
think about eternity. Churches are usually filled after disasters as
people realize how tenuous their lives really are and how life can be
taken away in an instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many
amazing miracles occurred during the course of natural disasters that
prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions
of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions
of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).


=====================

They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them 
pretending they do.

-- 
I call shenanigans on all theistic religions

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#517

Question: "What is God?"

Answer: A. W. Tosser wrote, “What is God like?’ If by that
question we mean ‘What is God like in Himself?’ there is no
answer. If we mean ‘What has God disclosed about Himself that the
reverent reason can comprehend?’ there is, I believe, an answer both
full and satisfying.�

Tosser is right in that we cannot know what God is with respect to
Himself. The book of Job declares, “Can you discover the depths of
God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? They are high as the
heavens, what can you do? Deeper than Sheol, what can you know?�
(Job 11:7–8).

However, we can ask what God has revealed about Himself in His Word
and in creation that “the reverent reasons€? can grasp.

When Moses was directed by God to go to the Egyptian Pharaoh and
demand the release of the Israelites, Moses asked God, “Behold, I am
going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of
your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is
His name?’ What shall I say to them?� (Exodus 3:13).

The answer God gave Moses was simple, yet very revealing: “God said
to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, ‘Thus you shall say to
the sons of Israel, “I AM has sent me to you�’� (Exodus 3:14).
The Hebrew text in verse 14 literally says, “I be that I be.�

This name speaks to the fact that God is pure existence, or what some
call pure actuality. Pure actuality is that which IS with no
possibility to not exist. Put another way, many things can have
existence (e.g., human beings, animals, plants), but only one thing
can be existence. Other things have “being� but only God is Being.

The fact that God alone is Being leads to at least five truths about
what God is – what type of being God is.

First, God alone is a self-existent being and the first cause of
everything else that exists. John 5:26 simply says, “The Father has
life in Himself.� Paul preached, “He is not served by human hands,
as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives all men life and
breath and everything else� (Acts 17:25).

Second, God is a necessary being. A necessary being is one whose
nonexistence is impossible. Only God is a necessary being; all other
things are contingent beings, meaning they could not exist. However,
if God did not exist, then neither would anything else. He alone is
the necessary being by which everything else currently exists – a fact
that Job states:  œIf He should determine to do so, If He should
gather to Himself His spirit and His breath, All flesh would perish
together, And man would return to dustâ€? (Job 34:14–15).

Third, God is a personal being. The word personal in this context does
not describe personality (e.g., funny, outgoing, etc.); rather, it
means “having intent.� God is a purposeful being who has a will,
creates, and directs events to suit Him. The prophet Isaiah wrote,
“I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like
Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times
things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be
established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’� (Isaiah
46:9–10).

Fourth, God is a triune being. This truth is a mystery, yet the whole
of Scripture and life in general speaks to this fact. The Bible
clearly articulates that there is but one God: “Hear, O Israel: The
Lord our God, the Lord is one� (Deut. 6:4). But the Bible also
declares that there is a plurality to God. Before Jesus ascended to
heaven, He commanded His disciples: “Go therefore and make disciples
of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the
Son and the Holy Spirit� (Matthew 28:19). Notice the singular
“name� in the verse; it does not say “names,� which would
convey three gods. There is one name belonging to the three Persons
who make up the Godhead.

Scripture in various places clearly calls the Father God, Jesus God,
and the Holy Spirit God. For example, the fact that Jesus possesses
self-existence and is the first cause of everything is stated in the
first verses of John: “All things came into being through Him, and
apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In
Him was lifeâ€? (John 1:3–4). The Bible also says that Jesus is a
necessary being: â“He is before all things, and in Him all things
hold together� (Colossians 1:17).

Fifth, God is a loving being. In the same way that many things can
exist but only one thing can be existence, people and other living
things can possess and experience love, but only one thing can be
love. First John 4:8 makes the simple ontological statement, “God is
love.�

What is God? God is the only one who can say, “I be that I be.�
God is pure existence, self-existent, and the source of everything
else that possesses existence. He is the only necessary being, is
purposeful/personal, and possesses both unity and diversity.

God is also love. He invites you to seek Him and discover the love He
has for you in His Word and in the life of His Son Jesus Christ, the
one who died for your sins and made a way for you to live with Him for
eternity.

-- 
I call shenanigans on all theistic religions

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#518

Question: "What are the differences between Catholics and
Protestants?"

Answer: There are several important differences between Catholics and
Protestants. While there have been many attempts in recent years to
find common ground between the two groups, the fact is that the
differences remain, and they are just as important today as they were
at the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. The following is brief
summary of some of the more important differences:

One of the first major differences between Catholicism and
Protestantism is the issue of the sufficiency and authority of
Scripture. Protestants believe that the Bible alone is the source of
God’s special revelation to mankind and teaches us all that is
necessary for our salvation from sin. Protestants view the Bible as
the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured. This
belief is commonly referred to as “sola scriptura� and is one of
the “five solasâ€? (sola is Latin for “alone€?) that came out of
the Protestant Reformation as summaries of some of the differences
between Catholics and Protestants.

While there are many verses in the Bible that establish its authority
and its sufficiency for all matters of faith and practice, one of the
clearest is 2 Timothy 3:16, where we see that “all Scripture is
inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for
correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be
adequate, equipped for every good work.� Catholics reject the
doctrine of sola scriptura and do not believe that the Bible alone is
sufficient. They believe that both the Bible and sacred Roman Catholic
tradition are equally binding upon the Christian. Many Roman Catholics
doctrines, such as purgatory, praying to the saints, worship or
veneration of Mary, etc., have little or no basis in Scripture but are
based solely on Roman Catholic traditions. Essentially, the Roman
Catholic Church€™s denial of sola scriptura and its insistence that
both the Bible and tradition are equal in authority undermine the
sufficiency, authority, and completeness of the Bible. The view of
Scripture is at the root of many, if not all, of the differences
between Catholics and Protestants.

Another disagreement between Catholicism and Protestantism is over the
office and authority of the Pope. According to Catholicism the Pope is
the “Vicar of Christ€? (a vicar is a substitute) and takes the
place of Jesus as the visible head of the Church. As such, the Pope
has the ability to speak ex cathedra (with authority on matters of
faith and practice), making his teachings infallible and binding upon
all Christians. On the other hand, Protestants believe that no human
being is infallible and that Christ alone is the Head of the Church.
Catholics rely on apostolic succession as a way of trying to establish
the Pope€™s authority. Protestants believe that the church€™s
authority comes not from apostolic succession but from the Word of
God. Spiritual power and authority do not rest in the hands of a mere
man but in the very Word of God. While Catholicism teaches that only
the Catholic Church can properly interpret the Bible, Protestants
believe that the Bible teaches God sent the Holy Spirit to indwell all
born-again believers, enabling all believers to understand the message
of the Bible.

Protestants point to passages such as John 14:16–17: “I will ask the
Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you
forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive,
because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He
abides with you and will be in you.� (See also John 14:26 and 1 John
2:27.)

A third major difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is how
one is saved. Another of the five solas of the Reformation is sola
fide (“faith alone�), which affirms the biblical doctrine of
justification by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ
alone (Ephesians 2:8–10). However, Catholics teach that the Christian
must rely on faith plus “meritorious works� in order to be saved.
Essential to the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation are the Seven
Sacraments, which are baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, penance,
anointing of the sick, holy orders, and matrimony. Protestants believe
that, on the basis of faith in Christ alone, believers are justified
by God, as all their sins are paid for by Christ on the cross and His
righteousness is imputed to them. Catholics, on the other hand,
believe that Christ’s righteousness is imparted to the believer by
“grace through faith,� but in itself is not sufficient to justify
the believer. The believer must supplement the righteousness of Christ
imparted to him with meritorious works.

Catholics and Protestants also disagree on what it means to be
justified before God. To the Catholic, justification involves being
made righteous and holy. He believes that faith in Christ is only the
beginning of salvation and that the individual must build upon that
with good works because God’s grace of eternal salvation must be
merited. This view of justification contradicts the clear teaching of
Scripture in passages such as Romans 4:1–12, Titus 3:3–7, and many
others. Protestants distinguish between the one-time act of
justification (when we are declared righteous by God based on our
faith in Christ’s atonement on the cross) and the process of
sanctification (the development of righteousness that continues
throughout our lives on earth). While Protestants recognize that works
are important, they believe they are the result or fruit of salvation
but never the means to it. Catholics blend justification and
sanctification together into one ongoing process, which leads to
confusion about how one is saved.

A fourth major difference between Catholics and Protestants has to do
with what happens after death. Both believe that unbelievers will
spend eternity in hell, but there are significant differences about
what happens to believers. From their church traditions and their
reliance on non-canonical books, the Catholics have developed the
doctrine of purgatory. Purgatory, according to the Catholic
Encyclopedia, is a “place or condition of temporal punishment for
those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are not entirely free
from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to
their transgressions.� On the other hand, Protestants believe that
because we are justified by faith in Christ alone and that Christ’s
righteousness is imputed to us—when we die, we will go straight to
heaven to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6–10 and
Philippians 1:23).

One disturbing aspect about the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is the
belief that man can and must pay for his own sins. This results in a
low view of the sufficiency and efficiency of Christ’s atonement on
the cross. Simply put, the Roman Catholic view of salvation implies
that Christ’s atonement on the cross was insufficient payment for
the sins of those who believe in Him and that even a believer must pay
for his own sins, either through acts of penance or time in purgatory.
Yet the Bible teaches that it is Christ’s death alone that can
satisfy or propitiate God’s wrath against sinners (Romans 3:25;
Hebrews 2:17; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10). Our works of righteousness
cannot add to what Christ has already accomplished.

The differences between Catholicism and evangelical Protestants are
important and significant. Paul wrote Galatians to combat the
Judaizers (Jews who said that Gentile Christians had to obey the Old
Testament Law to be saved). Like the Judaizers, Catholics make human
works necessary for one to be justified by God, and they end up with a
completely different gospel.

It is our prayer that God will open the eyes of those who are putting
their faith in the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is our hope
that everyone will understand that his “works of righteousness�
cannot justify him or sanctify him (Isaiah 64:6). We pray that all
will instead put their faith solely in the fact that we are
“justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by
Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,
through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faithâ€? (Romans
3:24–25). God saves us, “not because of righteous things we had
done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of
rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us
generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been
justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of
eternal lifeâ€? (Titus 3:5–7).

For more information on the differences between Catholics and
Protestants, please browse our Catholic Questions section.

-- 
I call shenanigans on all theistic religions

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#519

Question: "What happens after death?"

Answer: Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of
confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after
death, everyone “sleeps€? until the final judgment, after which
everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the
moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal
destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their
souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary€? heaven or hell, to await
the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of
their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens
after death?

First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after
death believers’ souls/spirits are taken to heaven, because their
sins are forgiven by having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16, 18,
36). For believers, death is to be “away from the body and at home
with the Lords€? (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However,
passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If
believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the
purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of
believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical
body remains in the grave “sleeping.� At the resurrection of
believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then
reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified
body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in
the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22).

Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, death
means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of
believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary
holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and
eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented
immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the
unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the great white throne,
and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not
sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather
are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even
though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their
immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried
out, “I am in agony in this fire� (Luke 16:24).

Therefore, after death, a person resides in a “temporary� heaven
or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a
person’s eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location�
of that eternal destiny is what changes. Believers will ultimately be
granted entrance into the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1).
Unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation
20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all
people—basedd entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ
alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).

-- 
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#520

On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
> 
> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question God’s goodness.
> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed “acts of
> Godâ€? while no “creditâ€? is given to God for years, decades, or even
> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
> the earth’s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
> underwater earthquake.
> 
> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy
> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as
> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
> 
> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, “The creation waits in eager
> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the
> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated
> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
> children of God.� The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
> subject to “frustrationâ€? and “decay.â€? Sin is the ultimate cause
> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
> suffering.
> 
> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand
> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity.
> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in
> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
> 
> =====================
> 
> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
> do.

They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
pretending they do.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#531

On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>
>> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
>> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
>> 
>> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
>> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
>> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness.
>> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of
>> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even
>> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
>> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
>> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
>> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
>> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
>> underwater earthquake.
>> 
>> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
>> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
>> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy
>> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
>> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
>> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as
>> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
>> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
>> 
>> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
>> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
>> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager
>> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
>> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the
>> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated
>> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
>> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
>> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
>> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause
>> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
>> suffering.
>> 
>> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand
>> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
>> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
>> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
>> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity.
>> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
>> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
>> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
>> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
>> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
>> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in
>> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
>> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
>> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
>> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
>> 
>> =====================
>> 
>> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
>> do.
>
>They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
>pretending they do.
>
My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon

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#532

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:21:24 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>
>>> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
>>> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
>>> 
>>> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
>>> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
>>> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness.
>>> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of
>>> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even
>>> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
>>> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
>>> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
>>> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
>>> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
>>> underwater earthquake.
>>> 
>>> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
>>> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
>>> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy
>>> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
>>> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
>>> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as
>>> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
>>> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
>>> 
>>> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
>>> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
>>> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager
>>> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
>>> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the
>>> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated
>>> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
>>> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
>>> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
>>> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause
>>> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
>>> suffering.
>>> 
>>> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand
>>> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
>>> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
>>> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
>>> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity.
>>> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
>>> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
>>> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
>>> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
>>> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
>>> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in
>>> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
>>> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
>>> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
>>> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
>>> 
>>> =====================
>>> 
>>> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
>>> do.
>>
>>They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
>>pretending they do.
>>
>My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon

The moron's usual dishonest, worthless analogies.

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#534

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:21:24 -0500, Gordon wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>
>>> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
>>> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
>>> 
>>> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
>>> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
>>> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness.
>>> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of
>>> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or
>>> even centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and
>>> the laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result
>>> of these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the
>>> results of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the
>>> result of the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused
>>> by an underwater earthquake.
>>> 
>>> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
>>> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
>>> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in
>>> Deuteronomy 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God
>>> sometimes causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book
>>> of Revelation describes many events which could definitely be
>>> described as natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is
>>> every natural disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
>>> 
>>> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
>>> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
>>> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager
>>> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
>>> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of
>>> the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be
>>> liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious
>>> freedom of the children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had
>>> effects on everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in
>>> creation is subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the
>>> ultimate cause of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death,
>>> disease, and suffering.
>>> 
>>> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not
>>> understand is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the
>>> tsunami to kill over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow
>>> Hurricane Katrina to destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one
>>> thing, such events shake our confidence in this life and force us to
>>> think about eternity. Churches are usually filled after disasters as
>>> people realize how tenuous their lives really are and how life can be
>>> taken away in an instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many
>>> amazing miracles occurred during the course of natural disasters that
>>> prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions
>>> of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions
>>> of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
>>> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
>>> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
>>> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
>>> 
>>> =====================
>>> 
>>> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
>>> do.
>>
>>They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them
>>pretending they do.
>>
> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon

Why can't you see leprechauns?
I'm unable to see things that aren't there or are non-existent, like 
evidence for your supposed god character.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#535

Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
> wrote:
> 
Massive snip

>> 
> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon

I amazed you managed that so well. 

While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those
colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green.






-- 
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. 
 John Cleese on Stupidity  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

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#536

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
<no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> wrote:
>> 
>Massive snip
>
>>> 
>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>
>I amazed you managed that so well. 
>
>While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those
>colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green.

My kid siater had a pretend friend. Does Gordon the moron see the
similatities to hie own belief?

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#539

Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
> <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> Massive snip
>> 
>>>> 
>>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>> 
>> I amazed you managed that so well. 
>> 
>> While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those
>> colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green.
> 
> My kid siater had a pretend friend. Does Gordon the moron see the
> similatities to hie own belief?
> 

I hope your sister outgrew that. It seems Gordon hasn't.


-- 
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. 
 John Cleese on Stupidity  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

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#542

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
<no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> wrote:
>> 
>Massive snip
>
>>> 
>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>
>I amazed you managed that so well. 
>
>While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those
>colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green.
>
Not always. A red object on a green background is sometimes not
discernable to him. A red traffic light in a background of very green
trees is often not discernable to him.   Gordon

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#550

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:37:38 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
><no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>Massive snip
>>
>>>> 
>>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>>
>>I amazed you managed that so well. 
>>
>>While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those
>>colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green.
>>
>Not always. A red object on a green background is sometimes not
>discernable to him. A red traffic light in a background of very green
>trees is often not discernable to him.   Gordon

However, he can still see the lights, and he can still see the shape
of the object.

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#554

Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
> <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> Massive snip
>> 
>>>> 
>>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>> 
>> I amazed you managed that so well. 
>> 
>> While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those
>> colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green.
>> 
> Not always. A red object on a green background is sometimes not
> discernable to him. A red traffic light in a background of very green
> trees is often not discernable to him.   Gordon
> 

But not invisible, which is what you said, right?

BTW, red-green color blindness is in most all cases, carried on the X
chromosome. Odds are you are a carried of this defective gene. 

http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/causes-of-colour-blindness/
-- 
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. 
 John Cleese on Stupidity  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

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#537

In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>,
 Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
> >
> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
> >> 
> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godā??s goodness.
> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed ā??acts of
> >> Godā?? while no ā??creditā?? is given to God for years, decades, or even
> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
> >> the earthā??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
> >> underwater earthquake.
> >> 
> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy
> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as
> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
> >> 
> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, ā??The creation waits in eager
> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the
> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated
> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
> >> children of God.ā?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
> >> subject to ā??frustrationā?? and ā??decay.ā?? Sin is the ultimate cause
> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
> >> suffering.
> >> 
> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand
> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity.
> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in
> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
> >> 
> >> =====================
> >> 
> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
> >> do.
> >
> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
> >pretending they do.
> >
> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon


Not even one.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#538

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>,
> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>> >
>> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
>> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
>> >> 
>> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
>> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
>> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness.
>> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of
>> >> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even
>> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
>> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
>> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
>> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
>> >> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
>> >> underwater earthquake.
>> >> 
>> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
>> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
>> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy
>> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
>> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
>> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as
>> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
>> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
>> >> 
>> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
>> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
>> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager
>> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
>> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the
>> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated
>> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
>> >> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
>> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
>> >> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause
>> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
>> >> suffering.
>> >> 
>> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand
>> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
>> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
>> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
>> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity.
>> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
>> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
>> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
>> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
>> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
>> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in
>> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
>> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
>> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
>> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
>> >> 
>> >> =====================
>> >> 
>> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
>> >> do.
>> >
>> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
>> >pretending they do.
>> >
>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>
>
>Not even one.

I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not
have made him that way.

>-- 
>
>JD

-- 
I call shenanigans on all theistic religions

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#540

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar
<Barry@saymyname.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>,
>> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
>>> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
>>> >> 
>>> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
>>> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
>>> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness.
>>> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of
>>> >> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even
>>> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
>>> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
>>> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
>>> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
>>> >> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
>>> >> underwater earthquake.
>>> >> 
>>> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
>>> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
>>> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy
>>> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
>>> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
>>> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as
>>> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
>>> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
>>> >> 
>>> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
>>> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
>>> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager
>>> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
>>> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the
>>> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated
>>> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
>>> >> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
>>> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
>>> >> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause
>>> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
>>> >> suffering.
>>> >> 
>>> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand
>>> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
>>> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
>>> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
>>> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity.
>>> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
>>> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
>>> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
>>> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
>>> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
>>> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in
>>> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
>>> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
>>> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
>>> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
>>> >> 
>>> >> =====================
>>> >> 
>>> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
>>> >> do.
>>> >
>>> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
>>> >pretending they do.
>>> >
>>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>>
>>
>>Not even one.
>
>I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not
>have made him that way.
>
>>JD
>
God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, and God
has allowed Satan to explore all such forms of sin and rebellion and
to put us humans in the process so we can learn enough about all the
vagaries of sin and rebellion, then never, ever want to go back and
mess around with any form of it any further once we've been granted
immortality and absolute sovereignty. 

Lucifer/Satan didn't have this learning phase before he fell away from
God, and it is very likely that we would all do the same thing without
this learning phase of development. It is just an instant, on God's
eternity temporal scale. Cope with it and learn.   Gordon

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#545

In article <2stpvbpb73msn9pq90p0s6u4paut10v5uk@4ax.com>,
 Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar
> <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> ><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>,
> >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
> >>> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
> >>> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
> >>> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godā??s goodness.
> >>> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed ā??acts of
> >>> >> Godā?? while no ā??creditā?? is given to God for years, decades, or 
> >>> >> even
> >>> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
> >>> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
> >>> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
> >>> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
> >>> >> the earthā??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
> >>> >> underwater earthquake.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
> >>> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
> >>> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in 
> >>> >> Deuteronomy
> >>> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
> >>> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
> >>> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described 
> >>> >> as
> >>> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
> >>> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
> >>> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
> >>> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, ā??The creation waits in eager
> >>> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
> >>> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of 
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be 
> >>> >> liberated
> >>> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
> >>> >> children of God.ā?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
> >>> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
> >>> >> subject to ā??frustrationā?? and ā??decay.ā?? Sin is the ultimate 
> >>> >> cause
> >>> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
> >>> >> suffering.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not 
> >>> >> understand
> >>> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
> >>> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
> >>> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
> >>> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about 
> >>> >> eternity.
> >>> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
> >>> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
> >>> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
> >>> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
> >>> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
> >>> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars 
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
> >>> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
> >>> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
> >>> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> =====================
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
> >>> >> do.
> >>> >
> >>> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
> >>> >pretending they do.
> >>> >
> >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
> >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
> >>
> >>
> >>Not even one.
> >
> >I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not
> >have made him that way.
> >
> >>JD
> >
> God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, 

Bullshit. Your god created Satan and made it exactly the way it is. That 
makes your god completely responsible for every evil thing that your 
Satan does.


Good thing neither one actually exists.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#549

On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:50:56 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <2stpvbpb73msn9pq90p0s6u4paut10v5uk@4ax.com>,
> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar
>> <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>> ><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>,
>> >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
>> >>> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
>> >>> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
>> >>> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness.
>> >>> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of
>> >>> >> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or 
>> >>> >> even
>> >>> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
>> >>> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
>> >>> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
>> >>> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
>> >>> >> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
>> >>> >> underwater earthquake.
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
>> >>> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
>> >>> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in 
>> >>> >> Deuteronomy
>> >>> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
>> >>> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
>> >>> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described 
>> >>> >> as
>> >>> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
>> >>> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
>> >>> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
>> >>> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager
>> >>> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
>> >>> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of 
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be 
>> >>> >> liberated
>> >>> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
>> >>> >> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
>> >>> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
>> >>> >> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate 
>> >>> >> cause
>> >>> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
>> >>> >> suffering.
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not 
>> >>> >> understand
>> >>> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
>> >>> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
>> >>> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
>> >>> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about 
>> >>> >> eternity.
>> >>> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
>> >>> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
>> >>> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
>> >>> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
>> >>> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
>> >>> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars 
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
>> >>> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
>> >>> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
>> >>> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> =====================
>> >>> >> 
>> >>> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
>> >>> >> do.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
>> >>> >pretending they do.
>> >>> >
>> >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>> >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Not even one.
>> >
>> >I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not
>> >have made him that way.
>> >
>> >>JD
>> >
>> God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, 
>
>Bullshit. Your god created Satan and made it exactly the way it is. That 
>makes your god completely responsible for every evil thing that your 
>Satan does.
>
>
>Good thing neither one actually exists.

Christianity makes people stupid.

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#555

Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <2stpvbpb73msn9pq90p0s6u4paut10v5uk@4ax.com>,
>  Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar
>> <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>,
>>>> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes,
>>>>>>> hurricanes, and tsunamis?"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes,
>>>>>>> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural
>>>>>>> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godā??s goodness.
>>>>>>> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed ā??acts of
>>>>>>> Godā?? while no ā??creditā?? is given to God for years, decades, or 
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the
>>>>>>> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of
>>>>>>> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results
>>>>>>> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of
>>>>>>> the earthā??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an
>>>>>>> underwater earthquake.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together
>>>>>>> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely!
>>>>>>> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in 
>>>>>>> Deuteronomy
>>>>>>> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes
>>>>>>> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of
>>>>>>> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural
>>>>>>> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts,
>>>>>>> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on
>>>>>>> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, ā??The creation waits in eager
>>>>>>> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was
>>>>>>> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be 
>>>>>>> liberated
>>>>>>> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the
>>>>>>> children of God.ā?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on
>>>>>>> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is
>>>>>>> subject to ā??frustrationā?? and ā??decay.ā?? Sin is the ultimate 
>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and
>>>>>>> suffering.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not 
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill
>>>>>>> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to
>>>>>>> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events
>>>>>>> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about 
>>>>>>> eternity.
>>>>>>> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how
>>>>>>> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an
>>>>>>> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles
>>>>>>> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even
>>>>>>> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to
>>>>>>> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.
>>>>>>> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel,
>>>>>>> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does,
>>>>>>> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> =====================
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they
>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them 
>>>>>> pretending they do.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in
>>>>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities?   Gordon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Not even one.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not
>>> have made him that way.
>>> 
>>>> JD
>>> 
>> God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, 
> 
> Bullshit. Your god created Satan and made it exactly the way it is. That 
> makes your god completely responsible for every evil thing that your 
> Satan does.
> 
> 
> Good thing neither one actually exists.
> 

Gordon's dad is Satan?

The red-green color blindness is, in most cases, caused by a defective gene
on the X chromosome. Poor old Gordon doesn't understand the fact he may be
a carrier of this gene, and passed it on to his own descendants, making him
Satan.


-- 
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. 
 John Cleese on Stupidity  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

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