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More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:30 +1100
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:37 +1100
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:43 +1100
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-08 19:46 +1100
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-08 17:26 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2016-10-10 12:21 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-10 12:30 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-10 19:22 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-10 20:07 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-10 16:31 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 04:56 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2016-10-11 09:37 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-11 10:25 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:10 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-10-10 17:24 -0700
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-11 15:21 +1100
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2016-10-11 09:34 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-10-11 07:50 -0700
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-11 10:14 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:10 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-10-11 10:25 -0500
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-11 17:09 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:26 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-12 10:20 +1100
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:10 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-10-11 18:50 -0700
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-10-12 00:54 -0400
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-12 23:40 +0000
Re: More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2016-10-12 10:51 +1100
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| From | Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 19:30 +1100 |
| Subject | More Christian stupidity - From Gotnoanswers |
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Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, hurricanes, and tsunamis?" Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question God’s goodness. It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed “acts of God� while no “credit� is given to God for years, decades, or even centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of the earth’s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an underwater earthquake. The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, “The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.� The fall of humanity into sin had effects on everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is subject to “frustration� and “decay.� Sin is the ultimate cause of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and suffering. We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). ===================== They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they do. -- I call shenanigans on all theistic religions
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| From | Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 19:37 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <vpbhvbh9rde2jqjebqetmkpqd8qfi8127f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #516 |
Question: "What is God?" Answer: A. W. Tosser wrote, “What is God like?’ If by that question we mean ‘What is God like in Himself?’ there is no answer. If we mean ‘What has God disclosed about Himself that the reverent reason can comprehend?’ there is, I believe, an answer both full and satisfying.â€? Tosser is right in that we cannot know what God is with respect to Himself. The book of Job declares, “Can you discover the depths of God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? They are high as the heavens, what can you do? Deeper than Sheol, what can you know?â€? (Job 11:7–8). However, we can ask what God has revealed about Himself in His Word and in creation that “the reverent reasons€? can grasp. When Moses was directed by God to go to the Egyptian Pharaoh and demand the release of the Israelites, Moses asked God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?â€? (Exodus 3:13). The answer God gave Moses was simple, yet very revealing: “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, “I AM has sent me to youâ€?’â€? (Exodus 3:14). The Hebrew text in verse 14 literally says, “I be that I be.â€? This name speaks to the fact that God is pure existence, or what some call pure actuality. Pure actuality is that which IS with no possibility to not exist. Put another way, many things can have existence (e.g., human beings, animals, plants), but only one thing can be existence. Other things have “beingâ€? but only God is Being. The fact that God alone is Being leads to at least five truths about what God is – what type of being God is. First, God alone is a self-existent being and the first cause of everything else that exists. John 5:26 simply says, “The Father has life in Himself.â€? Paul preached, “He is not served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives all men life and breath and everything elseâ€? (Acts 17:25). Second, God is a necessary being. A necessary being is one whose nonexistence is impossible. Only God is a necessary being; all other things are contingent beings, meaning they could not exist. However, if God did not exist, then neither would anything else. He alone is the necessary being by which everything else currently exists – a fact that Job states:  œIf He should determine to do so, If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath, All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dustâ€? (Job 34:14–15). Third, God is a personal being. The word personal in this context does not describe personality (e.g., funny, outgoing, etc.); rather, it means “having intent.â€? God is a purposeful being who has a will, creates, and directs events to suit Him. The prophet Isaiah wrote, “I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’â€? (Isaiah 46:9–10). Fourth, God is a triune being. This truth is a mystery, yet the whole of Scripture and life in general speaks to this fact. The Bible clearly articulates that there is but one God: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is oneâ€? (Deut. 6:4). But the Bible also declares that there is a plurality to God. Before Jesus ascended to heaven, He commanded His disciples: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spiritâ€? (Matthew 28:19). Notice the singular “nameâ€? in the verse; it does not say “names,â€? which would convey three gods. There is one name belonging to the three Persons who make up the Godhead. Scripture in various places clearly calls the Father God, Jesus God, and the Holy Spirit God. For example, the fact that Jesus possesses self-existence and is the first cause of everything is stated in the first verses of John: “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was lifeâ€? (John 1:3–4). The Bible also says that Jesus is a necessary being: â“He is before all things, and in Him all things hold togetherâ€? (Colossians 1:17). Fifth, God is a loving being. In the same way that many things can exist but only one thing can be existence, people and other living things can possess and experience love, but only one thing can be love. First John 4:8 makes the simple ontological statement, “God is love.â€? What is God? God is the only one who can say, “I be that I be.â€? God is pure existence, self-existent, and the source of everything else that possesses existence. He is the only necessary being, is purposeful/personal, and possesses both unity and diversity. God is also love. He invites you to seek Him and discover the love He has for you in His Word and in the life of His Son Jesus Christ, the one who died for your sins and made a way for you to live with Him for eternity. -- I call shenanigans on all theistic religions
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| From | Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 19:43 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <a6chvbdd51ibnk3aum403jr0k1jiggsoku@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #516 |
Question: "What are the differences between Catholics and Protestants?" Answer: There are several important differences between Catholics and Protestants. While there have been many attempts in recent years to find common ground between the two groups, the fact is that the differences remain, and they are just as important today as they were at the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. The following is brief summary of some of the more important differences: One of the first major differences between Catholicism and Protestantism is the issue of the sufficiency and authority of Scripture. Protestants believe that the Bible alone is the source of God’s special revelation to mankind and teaches us all that is necessary for our salvation from sin. Protestants view the Bible as the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured. This belief is commonly referred to as “sola scripturaâ€? and is one of the “five solasâ€? (sola is Latin for “alone€?) that came out of the Protestant Reformation as summaries of some of the differences between Catholics and Protestants. While there are many verses in the Bible that establish its authority and its sufficiency for all matters of faith and practice, one of the clearest is 2 Timothy 3:16, where we see that “all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.â€? Catholics reject the doctrine of sola scriptura and do not believe that the Bible alone is sufficient. They believe that both the Bible and sacred Roman Catholic tradition are equally binding upon the Christian. Many Roman Catholics doctrines, such as purgatory, praying to the saints, worship or veneration of Mary, etc., have little or no basis in Scripture but are based solely on Roman Catholic traditions. Essentially, the Roman Catholic Church€™s denial of sola scriptura and its insistence that both the Bible and tradition are equal in authority undermine the sufficiency, authority, and completeness of the Bible. The view of Scripture is at the root of many, if not all, of the differences between Catholics and Protestants. Another disagreement between Catholicism and Protestantism is over the office and authority of the Pope. According to Catholicism the Pope is the “Vicar of Christ€? (a vicar is a substitute) and takes the place of Jesus as the visible head of the Church. As such, the Pope has the ability to speak ex cathedra (with authority on matters of faith and practice), making his teachings infallible and binding upon all Christians. On the other hand, Protestants believe that no human being is infallible and that Christ alone is the Head of the Church. Catholics rely on apostolic succession as a way of trying to establish the Pope€™s authority. Protestants believe that the church€™s authority comes not from apostolic succession but from the Word of God. Spiritual power and authority do not rest in the hands of a mere man but in the very Word of God. While Catholicism teaches that only the Catholic Church can properly interpret the Bible, Protestants believe that the Bible teaches God sent the Holy Spirit to indwell all born-again believers, enabling all believers to understand the message of the Bible. Protestants point to passages such as John 14:16–17: “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.â€? (See also John 14:26 and 1 John 2:27.) A third major difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is how one is saved. Another of the five solas of the Reformation is sola fide (“faith aloneâ€?), which affirms the biblical doctrine of justification by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8–10). However, Catholics teach that the Christian must rely on faith plus “meritorious worksâ€? in order to be saved. Essential to the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation are the Seven Sacraments, which are baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, penance, anointing of the sick, holy orders, and matrimony. Protestants believe that, on the basis of faith in Christ alone, believers are justified by God, as all their sins are paid for by Christ on the cross and His righteousness is imputed to them. Catholics, on the other hand, believe that Christ’s righteousness is imparted to the believer by “grace through faith,â€? but in itself is not sufficient to justify the believer. The believer must supplement the righteousness of Christ imparted to him with meritorious works. Catholics and Protestants also disagree on what it means to be justified before God. To the Catholic, justification involves being made righteous and holy. He believes that faith in Christ is only the beginning of salvation and that the individual must build upon that with good works because God’s grace of eternal salvation must be merited. This view of justification contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture in passages such as Romans 4:1–12, Titus 3:3–7, and many others. Protestants distinguish between the one-time act of justification (when we are declared righteous by God based on our faith in Christ’s atonement on the cross) and the process of sanctification (the development of righteousness that continues throughout our lives on earth). While Protestants recognize that works are important, they believe they are the result or fruit of salvation but never the means to it. Catholics blend justification and sanctification together into one ongoing process, which leads to confusion about how one is saved. A fourth major difference between Catholics and Protestants has to do with what happens after death. Both believe that unbelievers will spend eternity in hell, but there are significant differences about what happens to believers. From their church traditions and their reliance on non-canonical books, the Catholics have developed the doctrine of purgatory. Purgatory, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, is a “place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions.â€? On the other hand, Protestants believe that because we are justified by faith in Christ alone and that Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us—when we die, we will go straight to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6–10 and Philippians 1:23). One disturbing aspect about the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is the belief that man can and must pay for his own sins. This results in a low view of the sufficiency and efficiency of Christ’s atonement on the cross. Simply put, the Roman Catholic view of salvation implies that Christ’s atonement on the cross was insufficient payment for the sins of those who believe in Him and that even a believer must pay for his own sins, either through acts of penance or time in purgatory. Yet the Bible teaches that it is Christ’s death alone that can satisfy or propitiate God’s wrath against sinners (Romans 3:25; Hebrews 2:17; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10). Our works of righteousness cannot add to what Christ has already accomplished. The differences between Catholicism and evangelical Protestants are important and significant. Paul wrote Galatians to combat the Judaizers (Jews who said that Gentile Christians had to obey the Old Testament Law to be saved). Like the Judaizers, Catholics make human works necessary for one to be justified by God, and they end up with a completely different gospel. It is our prayer that God will open the eyes of those who are putting their faith in the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is our hope that everyone will understand that his “works of righteousnessâ€? cannot justify him or sanctify him (Isaiah 64:6). We pray that all will instead put their faith solely in the fact that we are “justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faithâ€? (Romans 3:24–25). God saves us, “not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal lifeâ€? (Titus 3:5–7). For more information on the differences between Catholics and Protestants, please browse our Catholic Questions section. -- I call shenanigans on all theistic religions
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| From | Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 19:46 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ifchvbhsdir8sjuehji0oqpiptlcuas1a9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #516 |
Question: "What happens after death?" Answer: Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps€? until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary€? heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death? First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death believers’ souls/spirits are taken to heaven, because their sins are forgiven by having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16, 18, 36). For believers, death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lords€? (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.â€? At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22). Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the great white throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fireâ€? (Luke 16:24). Therefore, after death, a person resides in a “temporaryâ€? heaven or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a person’s eternal destiny will not change. The precise “locationâ€? of that eternal destiny is what changes. Believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people—basedd entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36). -- I call shenanigans on all theistic religions
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 17:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntba7e$u1j$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #516 |
On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: > Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, > hurricanes, and tsunamis?" > > Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, > tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural > disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâs goodness. > It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed âacts of > Godâ? while no âcreditâ? is given to God for years, decades, or even > centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the > laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of > these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results > of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of > the earthâs plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an > underwater earthquake. > > The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together > (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! > Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy > 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes > causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of > Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as > natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural > disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. > > In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, > God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on > creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, âThe creation waits in eager > expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was > subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the > one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated > from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the > children of God.â? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on > everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is > subject to âfrustrationâ? and âdecay.â? Sin is the ultimate cause > of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and > suffering. > > We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand > is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill > over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to > destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events > shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. > Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how > tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an > instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles > occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even > greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to > reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in > aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. > Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, > pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, > bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). > > ===================== > > They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they > do. They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them pretending they do. -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 12:21 -0500 |
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| In reply to | #520 |
On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: > >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" >> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness. >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of >> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of >> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an >> underwater earthquake. >> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. >> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the >> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is >> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and >> suffering. >> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). >> >> ===================== >> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they >> do. > >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them >pretending they do. > My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 12:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nvjnvb5pcjjetaqncraa4e153fci7g0h0h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #531 |
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:21:24 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: >> >>> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, >>> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" >>> >>> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, >>> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural >>> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness. >>> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of >>> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even >>> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the >>> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of >>> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results >>> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of >>> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an >>> underwater earthquake. >>> >>> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together >>> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! >>> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy >>> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes >>> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of >>> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as >>> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural >>> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. >>> >>> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, >>> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on >>> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager >>> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was >>> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the >>> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated >>> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the >>> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on >>> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is >>> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause >>> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and >>> suffering. >>> >>> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand >>> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill >>> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to >>> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events >>> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. >>> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how >>> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an >>> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles >>> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even >>> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to >>> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in >>> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. >>> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, >>> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, >>> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). >>> >>> ===================== >>> >>> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they >>> do. >> >>They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them >>pretending they do. >> >My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon The moron's usual dishonest, worthless analogies.
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 19:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntgpps$1753$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #531 |
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:21:24 -0500, Gordon wrote: > On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: >> >>> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, >>> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" >>> >>> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, >>> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural >>> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness. >>> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of >>> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or >>> even centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and >>> the laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result >>> of these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the >>> results of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the >>> result of the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused >>> by an underwater earthquake. >>> >>> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together >>> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! >>> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in >>> Deuteronomy 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God >>> sometimes causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book >>> of Revelation describes many events which could definitely be >>> described as natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is >>> every natural disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. >>> >>> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, >>> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on >>> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager >>> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was >>> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of >>> the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be >>> liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious >>> freedom of the children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had >>> effects on everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in >>> creation is subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the >>> ultimate cause of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, >>> disease, and suffering. >>> >>> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not >>> understand is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the >>> tsunami to kill over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow >>> Hurricane Katrina to destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one >>> thing, such events shake our confidence in this life and force us to >>> think about eternity. Churches are usually filled after disasters as >>> people realize how tenuous their lives really are and how life can be >>> taken away in an instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many >>> amazing miracles occurred during the course of natural disasters that >>> prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions >>> of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions >>> of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. >>> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, >>> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, >>> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). >>> >>> ===================== >>> >>> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they >>> do. >> >>They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them >>pretending they do. >> > My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in > this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon Why can't you see leprechauns? I'm unable to see things that aren't there or are non-existent, like evidence for your supposed god character. -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 20:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9pdhu6.umv.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #531 |
Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> > wrote: > Massive snip >> > My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in > this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon I amazed you managed that so well. While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green. -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 16:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <132ovbhbgh7f55kt4lcohd4k951kiheone@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #535 |
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >> wrote: >> >Massive snip > >>> >> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon > >I amazed you managed that so well. > >While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those >colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green. My kid siater had a pretend friend. Does Gordon the moron see the similatities to hie own belief?
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 04:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9peguu.8jn.17.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #536 |
Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer > <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>> wrote: >>> >> Massive snip >> >>>> >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon >> >> I amazed you managed that so well. >> >> While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those >> colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green. > > My kid siater had a pretend friend. Does Gordon the moron see the > similatities to hie own belief? > I hope your sister outgrew that. It seems Gordon hasn't. -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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| From | Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 09:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <g6upvbp9mgb08b6b70q7qj5qlt1s3ddbv9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #535 |
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >> wrote: >> >Massive snip > >>> >> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon > >I amazed you managed that so well. > >While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those >colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green. > Not always. A red object on a green background is sometimes not discernable to him. A red traffic light in a background of very green trees is often not discernable to him. Gordon
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 10:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <301qvbl4osl7srl7t533p863mfvfj6ltgn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #542 |
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:37:38 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer ><no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>> wrote: >>> >>Massive snip >> >>>> >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon >> >>I amazed you managed that so well. >> >>While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those >>colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green. >> >Not always. A red object on a green background is sometimes not >discernable to him. A red traffic light in a background of very green >trees is often not discernable to him. Gordon However, he can still see the lights, and he can still see the shape of the object.
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 17:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9pfrvs.fs2.19.2@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #542 |
Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer > <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>> wrote: >>> >> Massive snip >> >>>> >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon >> >> I amazed you managed that so well. >> >> While your B-i-L may be colorblind, that means he can not discern those >> colors, but he can still see objects that are red-green. >> > Not always. A red object on a green background is sometimes not > discernable to him. A red traffic light in a background of very green > trees is often not discernable to him. Gordon > But not invisible, which is what you said, right? BTW, red-green color blindness is in most all cases, carried on the X chromosome. Odds are you are a carried of this defective gene. http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/causes-of-colour-blindness/ -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-10 17:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-A7C812.17242710102016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #531 |
In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> > wrote: > > >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: > > > >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, > >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" > >> > >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, > >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural > >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godā??s goodness. > >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed ā??acts of > >> Godā?? while no ā??creditā?? is given to God for years, decades, or even > >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the > >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of > >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results > >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of > >> the earthā??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an > >> underwater earthquake. > >> > >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together > >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! > >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy > >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes > >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of > >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as > >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural > >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. > >> > >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, > >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on > >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, ā??The creation waits in eager > >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was > >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the > >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated > >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the > >> children of God.ā?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on > >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is > >> subject to ā??frustrationā?? and ā??decay.ā?? Sin is the ultimate cause > >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and > >> suffering. > >> > >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand > >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill > >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to > >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events > >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. > >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how > >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an > >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles > >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even > >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to > >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in > >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. > >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, > >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, > >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). > >> > >> ===================== > >> > >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they > >> do. > > > >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them > >pretending they do. > > > My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in > this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon Not even one. -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 15:21 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <g3qovb9ha1n7s1v92b89orsf6ia0krhets@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #537 |
On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: >In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>, > Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > >> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >> wrote: >> >> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: >> > >> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, >> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" >> >> >> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, >> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural >> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness. >> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of >> >> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even >> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the >> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of >> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results >> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of >> >> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an >> >> underwater earthquake. >> >> >> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together >> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! >> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy >> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes >> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of >> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as >> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural >> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. >> >> >> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, >> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on >> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager >> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was >> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the >> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated >> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the >> >> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on >> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is >> >> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause >> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and >> >> suffering. >> >> >> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand >> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill >> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to >> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events >> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. >> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how >> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an >> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles >> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even >> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to >> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in >> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. >> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, >> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, >> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). >> >> >> >> ===================== >> >> >> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they >> >> do. >> > >> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them >> >pretending they do. >> > >> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon > > >Not even one. I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not have made him that way. >-- > >JD -- I call shenanigans on all theistic religions
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| From | Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 09:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <2stpvbpb73msn9pq90p0s6u4paut10v5uk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #538 |
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote: >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas ><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: > >>In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>, >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: >>> > >>> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, >>> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" >>> >> >>> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, >>> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural >>> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness. >>> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of >>> >> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or even >>> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the >>> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of >>> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results >>> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of >>> >> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an >>> >> underwater earthquake. >>> >> >>> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together >>> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! >>> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy >>> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes >>> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of >>> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as >>> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural >>> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. >>> >> >>> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, >>> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on >>> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager >>> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was >>> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the >>> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated >>> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the >>> >> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on >>> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is >>> >> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate cause >>> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and >>> >> suffering. >>> >> >>> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand >>> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill >>> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to >>> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events >>> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. >>> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how >>> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an >>> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles >>> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even >>> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to >>> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in >>> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. >>> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, >>> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, >>> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). >>> >> >>> >> ===================== >>> >> >>> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they >>> >> do. >>> > >>> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them >>> >pretending they do. >>> > >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon >> >> >>Not even one. > >I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not >have made him that way. > >>JD > God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, and God has allowed Satan to explore all such forms of sin and rebellion and to put us humans in the process so we can learn enough about all the vagaries of sin and rebellion, then never, ever want to go back and mess around with any form of it any further once we've been granted immortality and absolute sovereignty. Lucifer/Satan didn't have this learning phase before he fell away from God, and it is very likely that we would all do the same thing without this learning phase of development. It is just an instant, on God's eternity temporal scale. Cope with it and learn. Gordon
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 07:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-8C7ADF.07505611102016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #540 |
In article <2stpvbpb73msn9pq90p0s6u4paut10v5uk@4ax.com>, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar > <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote: > > >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas > ><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: > > > >>In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>, > >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, > >>> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" > >>> >> > >>> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, > >>> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural > >>> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godā??s goodness. > >>> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed ā??acts of > >>> >> Godā?? while no ā??creditā?? is given to God for years, decades, or > >>> >> even > >>> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the > >>> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of > >>> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results > >>> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of > >>> >> the earthā??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an > >>> >> underwater earthquake. > >>> >> > >>> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together > >>> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! > >>> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in > >>> >> Deuteronomy > >>> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes > >>> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of > >>> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described > >>> >> as > >>> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural > >>> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. > >>> >> > >>> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, > >>> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on > >>> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, ā??The creation waits in eager > >>> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was > >>> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of > >>> >> the > >>> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be > >>> >> liberated > >>> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the > >>> >> children of God.ā?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on > >>> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is > >>> >> subject to ā??frustrationā?? and ā??decay.ā?? Sin is the ultimate > >>> >> cause > >>> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and > >>> >> suffering. > >>> >> > >>> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not > >>> >> understand > >>> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill > >>> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to > >>> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events > >>> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about > >>> >> eternity. > >>> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how > >>> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an > >>> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles > >>> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even > >>> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to > >>> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars > >>> >> in > >>> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. > >>> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, > >>> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, > >>> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). > >>> >> > >>> >> ===================== > >>> >> > >>> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they > >>> >> do. > >>> > > >>> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them > >>> >pretending they do. > >>> > > >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in > >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon > >> > >> > >>Not even one. > > > >I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not > >have made him that way. > > > >>JD > > > God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, Bullshit. Your god created Satan and made it exactly the way it is. That makes your god completely responsible for every evil thing that your Satan does. Good thing neither one actually exists. -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 10:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8d0qvblgp4dhqkpp7svoknuo56aicaep9a@4ax.com> |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:50:56 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: >In article <2stpvbpb73msn9pq90p0s6u4paut10v5uk@4ax.com>, > Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar >> <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas >> ><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >>In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>, >> >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, >> >>> >> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, >> >>> >> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural >> >>> >> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godâ??s goodness. >> >>> >> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed â??acts of >> >>> >> Godâ?? while no â??creditâ?? is given to God for years, decades, or >> >>> >> even >> >>> >> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the >> >>> >> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of >> >>> >> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results >> >>> >> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of >> >>> >> the earthâ??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an >> >>> >> underwater earthquake. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together >> >>> >> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! >> >>> >> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in >> >>> >> Deuteronomy >> >>> >> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes >> >>> >> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of >> >>> >> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described >> >>> >> as >> >>> >> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural >> >>> >> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, >> >>> >> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on >> >>> >> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, â??The creation waits in eager >> >>> >> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was >> >>> >> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of >> >>> >> the >> >>> >> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be >> >>> >> liberated >> >>> >> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the >> >>> >> children of God.â?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on >> >>> >> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is >> >>> >> subject to â??frustrationâ?? and â??decay.â?? Sin is the ultimate >> >>> >> cause >> >>> >> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and >> >>> >> suffering. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not >> >>> >> understand >> >>> >> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill >> >>> >> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to >> >>> >> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events >> >>> >> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about >> >>> >> eternity. >> >>> >> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how >> >>> >> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an >> >>> >> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles >> >>> >> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even >> >>> >> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to >> >>> >> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars >> >>> >> in >> >>> >> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. >> >>> >> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, >> >>> >> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, >> >>> >> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ===================== >> >>> >> >> >>> >> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they >> >>> >> do. >> >>> > >> >>> >They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them >> >>> >pretending they do. >> >>> > >> >>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >> >>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon >> >> >> >> >> >>Not even one. >> > >> >I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not >> >have made him that way. >> > >> >>JD >> > >> God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, > >Bullshit. Your god created Satan and made it exactly the way it is. That >makes your god completely responsible for every evil thing that your >Satan does. > > >Good thing neither one actually exists. Christianity makes people stupid.
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 17:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9pfrvs.fs2.19.3@news.alt.net> |
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Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: > In article <2stpvbpb73msn9pq90p0s6u4paut10v5uk@4ax.com>, > Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:21:15 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar >> <Barry@saymyname.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:24:27 -0700, Jeanne Douglas >>> <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <idjnvbpvk4h8hiofqto84gba0vv8686qs8@4ax.com>, >>>> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:30:49 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Question: "Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, >>>>>>> hurricanes, and tsunamis?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Answer: Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, >>>>>>> tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, wildfires, and other natural >>>>>>> disasters? Tragedies cause many people to question Godā??s goodness. >>>>>>> It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed ā??acts of >>>>>>> Godā?? while no ā??creditā?? is given to God for years, decades, or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the >>>>>>> laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of >>>>>>> these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results >>>>>>> of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of >>>>>>> the earthā??s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an >>>>>>> underwater earthquake. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together >>>>>>> (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! >>>>>>> Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in >>>>>>> Deuteronomy >>>>>>> 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes >>>>>>> causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of >>>>>>> Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural >>>>>>> disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, >>>>>>> God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on >>>>>>> creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, ā??The creation waits in eager >>>>>>> expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was >>>>>>> subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be >>>>>>> liberated >>>>>>> from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the >>>>>>> children of God.ā?? The fall of humanity into sin had effects on >>>>>>> everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is >>>>>>> subject to ā??frustrationā?? and ā??decay.ā?? Sin is the ultimate >>>>>>> cause >>>>>>> of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and >>>>>>> suffering. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not >>>>>>> understand >>>>>>> is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill >>>>>>> over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to >>>>>>> destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events >>>>>>> shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about >>>>>>> eternity. >>>>>>> Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how >>>>>>> tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an >>>>>>> instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles >>>>>>> occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even >>>>>>> greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to >>>>>>> reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. >>>>>>> Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, >>>>>>> pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, >>>>>>> bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===================== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They don't have any answers but that doesn't stop them pretending they >>>>>>> do. >>>>>> >>>>>> They don't have any evidence, either, but that also doesn't stop them >>>>>> pretending they do. >>>>>> >>>>> My Brother-in-law is red-green color blind. There are many things in >>>>> this realm that he cannot see. See any similarities? Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> Not even one. >>> >>> I wonder if Gordon's bro in law can see that a good God would not >>> have made him that way. >>> >>>> JD >>> >> God didn't make my brother-in-law that way. Satan did this, > > Bullshit. Your god created Satan and made it exactly the way it is. That > makes your god completely responsible for every evil thing that your > Satan does. > > > Good thing neither one actually exists. > Gordon's dad is Satan? The red-green color blindness is, in most cases, caused by a defective gene on the X chromosome. Poor old Gordon doesn't understand the fact he may be a carrier of this gene, and passed it on to his own descendants, making him Satan. -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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