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  911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-26 21:30 -0500
    Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-27 06:35 +0200
      Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-27 03:49 -0500
      Re: 911 "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 05:32 -0500
        Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-27 19:44 +0200
          Re: 911 "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 15:58 -0500
            Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-29 08:18 +0200
              Re: 911 "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 04:44 -0500
              Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-29 15:35 -0500
                Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-30 04:45 +0200
                  Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-30 15:41 -0500
                    Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-01 21:30 +0200
                      Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-01 15:43 -0500
                        Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-02 01:20 +0200
                          Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-02 15:25 -0500
                            Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-03 10:40 +0200
                              Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-03 05:28 -0500
                                Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-03 19:02 +0200
                                  Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-04 04:34 -0500
                                    Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-05 22:16 +0200
                                      Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-06 15:25 -0500
                                        Re: 911 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-07 09:38 +0200
                                          Re: Re: 911 Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-07 15:24 -0500
    Re: 911 teslaQuake <staff@truecarpentry.net> - 2015-10-01 18:28 -0700

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#268501 — 911

Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfXecU3v-70




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#268502

Am 27.09.2015 04:30, schrieb Topaz:
>
> Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why

The 'Insiders' did it (with their 'death rays')!

These are ugly creatures, but quite clever, who  live inside the hollow 
Earth.

Since they regard human beings as useless eaters, they want them to 
destroy themselves.


TH

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#268506

CIA insider tells 911 truth. Time to re-examine your World-view,
America!
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbMjAN7Bws

The sudden, complete, straight down at near free-fall speed collapse
of steel framed WTC building 7, which was not touched by the planes,
is the SMOKING GUN of the 9/11 conspiracy. The building's few small
fires and superficial debris damage could not account for this
collapse, which had all the earmarks of controlled demolition by
explosives. Videos clearly show this. Such demolitions take many days
or weeks to set up - not the few hours between the plane "attacks" and
the collapse. The explosives therefore had to be put in place
BEFOREHAND. This lends credibility to the use of previously placed
explosives to bring down the towers as well, which like the badly
damaged and fire-gutted Deutchbank building would probably have 
remained standing.

Propaganda shills, disinformationists, and those in psychological
denial still insist the collapse of WTC 7 could not be what it
obviously was, and they employ often ludicrous rationalizations and
fabrications, elaborate lies, and infantile ad-hominem attacks to
defend their indefensible position. The REAL terrorists are desperate
to cover up their mass-murderous crime of the century - the permitting
if not perpetration of, and subsequent political and economic
exploitation of the fully preventable 9/11 disaster. 

Could Bin Laden have somehow totally incapacitated NORAD - the world's
most sophisticated aerospace defense system - on that horrible
morning? I don't think so!

There is evidence of an INSIDE JOB even more clear and indisputable
than the explosive demolition collapse of building 7 and the standing
down of NORAD. Many very small HUMAN BODY FRAGMENTS have been found on
the roofs of nearby buildings. These were too far away to be from
jumpers from the towers. If the towers simply collapsed from damage
and fire alone, what blew these bodies to smithereens and sent the
fragments flying for considerable distances? The plane impacts did not
have the explosive brisance (shattering force) necessary to do this -
only HIGH EXPLOSIVES can blow bodies to tiny bits and throw them such
distances.

So - who can credibly account for these body fragments, other than
their being the result of high explosives being detonated in the
towers?


The following article proves, using the inviolate laws of physics, the
falsity of the government's propaganda explanation for the World Trade
Center building collapses:

SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE - GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK

On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World Trade
Center (WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent
people. Videos of the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for
days. About 5 hours after the towers fell, WTC building 7 also
collapsed suddenly, completely, and straight down at near free-fall
speed. This steel-framed building was not touched by the planes that
struck the towers, and had sustained relatively minor debris damage
and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily damaged remained
standing.

In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan
Reynolds, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Robert
Gates stated, "The American people know what they saw with their own
eyes on September11, 2001. To suggest any kind of government
conspiracy in the events of that day goes beyond the pale."

We will prove here, with scientific rigor, that it's the government's
tale that's "beyond the pale!"

Did most of the American people really understand the unprecedented 
phenomena they had witnessed? Could a lack of knowledge of physics,
and the emotional shock of this mass-murderous "terrorist attack" have
stymied objective thinking and led to the blind acceptance of
authoritarian assertions?

The government and the media TOLD US what we saw. The government told
us that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now
referred to as a "pancake collapse". According to the government
claims, the plane crashes and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil - jet
fuel is NOT exotic) fires heated the UL-certified structural steel to
the point where it was significantly weakened, which is very difficult
to believe, never mind repeat in an experiment. Even with massive
fires that incinerate everything else, the steel frames of such
buildings generally remain standing.

According to the "pancake theory", this purported (all physical
evidence was quickly and illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly
caused part of the tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the
tower, which, we've been repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain
reaction of the lower floors sequentially, one at a time, yielding to
the weight falling from above.

There are some problems with that theory - it does not fit the
observed facts

* It cannot account for the total failure of the immense vertical
steel core columns - as if they were there one moment and gone the
next.

* The collapse times were near free-fall, far too rapid to be due to
gravity 
alone. 

This "collapse" was not without far more physical resistance than from
the air alone. It proceeded through all the lower stories of the
tower. Those undamaged floors below the plane impact zone offered
resistance thousands of times greater than that of air. Those lower
stories, and the central steel core columns, had successfully
supported the mass of the tower for 30 years despite hurricane-force
winds and tremors. Air cannot do that.

Can anyone possibly imagine undamaged lower floors getting out of the
way of the upper floors as gracefully and relatively without friction
as air would? Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing
the fall of the upper floors less than would, say, a parachute?

What is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers
could not have collapsed gravitationally, through their intact lower
stories, as rapidly as was observed on 9/11. Not even close. This is
shown to be physically impossible!


So WHERE DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY COME FROM?

Conclusions

In order for the towers to have collapsed "gravitationally" in the
observed duration, as we've been told over and over again, one or more
of the following zany-sounding conditions must have been met

* The undamaged structure below the impact zone offered zero
resistance to the collapse.
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any
expenditure of energy.
* The massive vertical steel core columns simply vanished, as if by
magic.

None of these laws-of-physics-violating, and thus impossible,
conditions can be accounted for by the official government theory of
9/11, nor by any of the subsequent analyses and arguments designed to
prop up this official myth of 9/11.

The Bottom Line


It is utterly impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so
destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near
free-fall time. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the
WTC collapses can be blamed solely upon damage resulting from the
plane impacts.

The unnaturally short durations of the top-down collapses reveal that
the towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but
rather they came down because something else was causing them to
disintegrate.

So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse"
story, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Gates'
other premise, that people know what they saw, is also false. It is
left to you to decide if his conclusion, which was based upon clearly
incorrect presumptions, is also flawed.

The collapse of WTC building 7, which was NOT hit by any plane,  also
collapsed within a second of free-fall time later that same day.  

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

 No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever
collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel
columns

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate
awakenings.

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story,"
is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study,
logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a
major purpose of this site.

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of
that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and
economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an
enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot
wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part
of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so
we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and
heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and
survived...



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#268509

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 06:35:39 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:

>Am 27.09.2015 04:30, schrieb Topaz:
>>
>> Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why
>
>The 'Insiders' did it (with their 'death rays')!
>
>These are ugly creatures, but quite clever, who  live inside the hollow 
>Earth.
>
>Since they regard human beings as useless eaters, they want them to 
>destroy themselves.
>

     Wow. You've really gone over the edge, Thomas. 

-- 
Shill #3. Current Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor

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#268551

Am 27.09.2015 12:32, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 06:35:39 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Am 27.09.2015 04:30, schrieb Topaz:
>>>
>>> Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why
>>
>> The 'Insiders' did it (with their 'death rays')!
>>
>> These are ugly creatures, but quite clever, who  live inside the hollow
>> Earth.
>>
>> Since they regard human beings as useless eaters, they want them to
>> destroy themselves.
>>
>
>       Wow. You've really gone over the edge, Thomas.
>

Actually there other possibilities (rather than 'Grays').

(But the pun was just too nice...)


On the other hand: there are many people that have something to say 
about 'hollow Earth'.

Just type 'hollow Earth' into the Google.search.page...

So I follow a few of these links and maybe I get an invitation (to the 
Grey's spacestation) or I find 'Atlantis'( on Google.Hollow.Earth).


TH

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#268568

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:44:04 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:

>Am 27.09.2015 12:32, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 06:35:39 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 27.09.2015 04:30, schrieb Topaz:
>>>>
>>>> Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why
>>>
>>> The 'Insiders' did it (with their 'death rays')!
>>>
>>> These are ugly creatures, but quite clever, who  live inside the hollow
>>> Earth.
>>>
>>> Since they regard human beings as useless eaters, they want them to
>>> destroy themselves.
>>
>>       Wow. You've really gone over the edge, Thomas.
>
>Actually there other possibilities (rather than 'Grays').
>

     You made no mentions of Grays. Typically, Grays refer to space
aliens.

>(But the pun was just too nice...)
>
>
>On the other hand: there are many people that have something to say 
>about 'hollow Earth'.
>
>Just type 'hollow Earth' into the Google.search.page...
>
>So I follow a few of these links and maybe I get an invitation (to the 
>Grey's spacestation) or I find 'Atlantis'( on Google.Hollow.Earth).

     You are pulling our collective leg, right? You're not really as
mentally unbalanced as your posts suggest.

-- 
Shill #3. Current Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor

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#268653

Am 27.09.2015 22:58, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):

>>>>> Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why
>>>>
>>>> The 'Insiders' did it (with their 'death rays')!
>>>>
>>>> These are ugly creatures, but quite clever, who  live inside the hollow
>>>> Earth.
>>>>
>>>> Since they regard human beings as useless eaters, they want them to
>>>> destroy themselves.
>>>
>>>        Wow. You've really gone over the edge, Thomas.
>>
>> Actually there other possibilities (rather than 'Grays').
>>
>
>       You made no mentions of Grays. Typically, Grays refer to space
> aliens.
>
>> (But the pun was just too nice...)
>>
>>
>> On the other hand: there are many people that have something to say
>> about 'hollow Earth'.
>>
>> Just type 'hollow Earth' into the Google.search.page...
>>
>> So I follow a few of these links and maybe I get an invitation (to the
>> Grey's spacestation) or I find 'Atlantis'( on Google.Hollow.Earth).
>
>       You are pulling our collective leg, right? You're not really as
> mentally unbalanced as your posts suggest.
>

If you asked me: "who's done it ?" (9-11) in reality, I would say: I 
don't know.

But I could make a few guesses:

To me the event looks like commited from a secret realm we call 
'hyperspace'. Flying machines we usually call 'Ufos' are capable to 
enter such a space and are there invisible to usual observers.

These machines are in possession of human beings (possibly non-humans) 
and these are armed with certain weapons, that are capable of destroying 
large buildings (scalar wave lasers).

The function of these weapons is known for a long time, most likely 
since the times of Nicola Tesla.

Ufos have been built by the Nazis, like the machines the Nazis called 
'Haunebu' and 'Vril' and later inside the USA, (by the same evil bastards).

The aim of the destruction is apparently mysticism of some sort, since 
we have 'magic' numbers (9/11 or 7/7) and we have cabalistic symbolism 
(Juan and Boaz depicted as twin towers).

And we have 'New World Order' symbolism (One World Tower instead of Twin 
Towers).

So - overall- it's disgusting ideology, combined with mysticism and 
occultism.

I'm a little insecure, what these perpetrators actually hope, (besides 
being completely visible).

So, we'll see, what future brings, since 9/11 is a subject, that will be 
discussed for ages.


TH

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#268657

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 08:18:09 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:

>Am 27.09.2015 22:58, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):
>
>>>>>> Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why
>>>>>
>>>>> The 'Insiders' did it (with their 'death rays')!
>>>>>
>>>>> These are ugly creatures, but quite clever, who  live inside the hollow
>>>>> Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since they regard human beings as useless eaters, they want them to
>>>>> destroy themselves.
>>>>
>>>>        Wow. You've really gone over the edge, Thomas.
>>>
>>> Actually there other possibilities (rather than 'Grays').
>>
>>       You made no mentions of Grays. Typically, Grays refer to space
>> aliens.
>>
>>> (But the pun was just too nice...)
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand: there are many people that have something to say
>>> about 'hollow Earth'.
>>>
>>> Just type 'hollow Earth' into the Google.search.page...
>>>
>>> So I follow a few of these links and maybe I get an invitation (to the
>>> Grey's spacestation) or I find 'Atlantis'( on Google.Hollow.Earth).
>>
>>       You are pulling our collective leg, right? You're not really as
>> mentally unbalanced as your posts suggest.
>
>If you asked me: "who's done it ?" (9-11) in reality, I would say: I 
>don't know.
>
>But I could make a few guesses:
>
>To me the event looks like commited from a secret realm we call 
>'hyperspace'. Flying machines we usually call 'Ufos' are capable to 
>enter such a space and are there invisible to usual observers.
>
>These machines are in possession of human beings (possibly non-humans) 
>and these are armed with certain weapons, that are capable of destroying 
>large buildings (scalar wave lasers).
>
>The function of these weapons is known for a long time, most likely 
>since the times of Nicola Tesla.
>
>Ufos have been built by the Nazis, like the machines the Nazis called 
>'Haunebu' and 'Vril' and later inside the USA, (by the same evil bastards).
>
>The aim of the destruction is apparently mysticism of some sort, since 
>we have 'magic' numbers (9/11 or 7/7) and we have cabalistic symbolism 
>(Juan and Boaz depicted as twin towers).
>
>And we have 'New World Order' symbolism (One World Tower instead of Twin 
>Towers).
>
>So - overall- it's disgusting ideology, combined with mysticism and 
>occultism.
>
>I'm a little insecure, what these perpetrators actually hope, (besides 
>being completely visible).
>
>So, we'll see, what future brings, since 9/11 is a subject, that will be 
>discussed for ages.
>

     Once again, you are pulling our collective leg, right?
     Do you understand how crazy your position is?

-- 
Shill #3. Current Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor

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#268683

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 08:18:09 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:


>If you asked me: "who's done it ?" (9-11) in reality, I would say: I 
>don't know.
>
>But I could make a few guesses:
>
>To me the event looks like commited from a secret realm we call 
>'hyperspace'. Flying machines we usually call 'Ufos' are capable to 
>enter such a space and are there invisible to usual observers.

Unlikely. "Who benefits?" is the question. "Jews" is the answer. 911
is all about invading countries the Jews don't like.



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#268711

Am 29.09.2015 22:35, schrieb Topaz:

>
>> If you asked me: "who's done it ?" (9-11) in reality, I would say: I
>> don't know.
>>
>> But I could make a few guesses:
>>
>> To me the event looks like commited from a secret realm we call
>> 'hyperspace'. Flying machines we usually call 'Ufos' are capable to
>> enter such a space and are there invisible to usual observers.
>
> Unlikely. "Who benefits?" is the question. "Jews" is the answer. 911
> is all about invading countries the Jews don't like.
>
>
Don't think so.

I see Judaism, Christianity and Islam as different forms of the same 
religion.

E.g. the Quran mentions 'Children of Israel'.

This is possible under the following considerations:

Islam is the Arabic form of a former believe, held by a Christian sect, 
that split off from Christianity and went to the city Merv in current 
Turmenistan.

The Arabs have conquered that Empire and adopted the formerly Christian 
believe and added some Arabic elements, from what later Islam emerged.

This sect in Merv split of from Christianity, because of the trinitarian 
believe, created by the Romans, that was introduced in the Concil of Nizea.

The Romans have adopted their believe from a sect, that split of from 
Judaism called 'Essener', after wiping out Judaism in Palestine.

So we should think about the original religions as one and the same, but 
what have been altered to apparently opposing believes.

Jews (or: believers in Judaism) stem from the Empire of the Queen of 
Sheba, what was in the current Ethiopia. So a main feature of Jews would 
be dark skin.

Only these people, that look a little similar to bob Marley, did not 
profit from 9-11.



TH

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#268781

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 04:45:16 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:


>>
>Don't think so.
>
>I see Judaism, Christianity and Islam as different forms of the same 
>religion.

Christianity and Islam are similar but not Judaism.

The Weight of Tradition: Why Judaism is Not Like Other Religions

By Mark Weber
 

Many critics of Israel and its policies make a sharp distinction
between Israel and its state ideology, Zionism, on the one hand, and
Judaism, or the Jewish religious tradition and outlook, on the other.

Anti-Zionist groups, with names such as "Jewish Voice for Peace" or
"Jews for Justice for Palestinians," and anti-Zionist periodicals such
as The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, emphasize humanistic
aspects of the Jewish tradition. They urge Jews to reject Zionism and
instead embrace humanistic features of Judaism. Such groups, while
critical of Israel and its policies, take the view that the Jewish
community has played a basically positive role in society, but that
sometime in the twentieth century most Jews somehow jumped the track
by embracing Zionism and its aggressive ethnic nationalism.

In fact, the often cruel and arrogant policies of Israel, and the
often arrogant attitudes of what is called the "Israel Lobby," the
Jewish lobby, or the organized Jewish community, are not an
aberration, but rather are deeply rooted in Jewish religious writings
and in centuries of Jewish tradition.

Most people prefer pleasant myths to unpleasant truths, and prefer to
believe what is most comfortable and agreeable. That's one reason why
so many of us like to think that all religions share common humanistic
core values, and are all striving, each in its own way, toward the
same ultimate truth.

But Judaism is not just "another religion." It's unique among the
world's major religions. The core values and ethos of Judaism are
markedly unlike those of Christianity, Islam, and the other great
faiths.

Christians believe that Jesus suffered and died for all people, and
Christians are called upon to spread the Christian message to
humanity. In the same way, Muslims believe that the message of the
Koran is meant for all humanity, and they are called upon to bring
everyone to Islam.

But that's not the message of Judaism. Its teachings are not meant for
all people. Its morality is not universal. Judaism is a religion for
one particular people. The Jewish religion is based not on a
relationship between God and humanity, but rather on a "covenant," or
contract, between God and a "chosen" people -- the community known as
the Jews, the Jewish People, the Israelites, the Hebrews, or the
"People of Israel."

One major reason why the role of the organized Jewish community is a
problem in our society is because most American Jews manifest a strong
loyalty to a foreign country, Israel, that since its founding in 1948
has been embroiled in seemingly endless crises and conflicts with its
neighbors. But there is another reason.

The role of the Jewish community is also a harmful one because Jews
are encouraged to regard themselves as separate from the rest of
humanity, and as members of a community with interests quite distinct
from those of everyone else. This "Us vs. Them" attitude -- this
mindset that sees Jews as dis­tinct from the rest of humanity, and
which views non-Jews with distrust -- is rooted in the Jewish
religion, and in centuries of tradition.

Christians are supposed to live their lives in accord with the Bible,
and especially the teachings of Jesus as laid out in the four Gospels
of the New Testament, just as Muslims are called upon to live their
lives in accord with the Koran. Similarly, Jews are supposed to lives
their lives in accord with the principles laid out in the Hebrew
scriptures, the "Tanakh," which is also known as the Old Testament.
These writings tell how Jews should think of themselves, and how they
should interact with non-Jews.

A core message of the Hebrew scriptures is that Jews are a divinely
"chosen" people -- a unique community distinct from the rest of
humanity. In the book of Deuteronomy, for example, we read: "For you
are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen
you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that
are on the face of the earth." /1

The Jewish scriptures also refer to Jews or Hebrews as a "People that
Shall Dwell Alone," or, in another translation, as "a people dwelling
alone, and not reckoning itself among the nations." In the book of
Exodus, we read of the Jews as a people "distinct ... from all other
people that are upon the face of the earth." / 2

The scriptures also explain that if Jews uphold the "covenant," and
maintain their separateness from all others, they will be rewarded
with great wealth and power over other peoples. In the book of
Deuteronomy, Jews are promised that God "will set you high above all
the nations of the earth," and that "All the people of the earth shall
see that you are called by the name of the Lord, and they shall be
afraid of you." In another passage God tells the Jews: "For the Lord
your God will bless you, as he promised you, and you shall lend to
many nations, but you shall not borrow; and you shall rule over many
nations, but they shall not rule over you." / 3

In the book of Genesis, we read: "May God give you of the dew of
heaven, and of the fatness of the earth, and plenty of grain and wine.
Let peoples serve you, and nations bow down to you." In another
passage in the book of Deuteronomy, God promises to Jews "to give you,
with great and goodly cities, which you did not build, and houses full
of all good things, which you did not fill, and cisterns hewn out,
which you did not hew, and vineyards and olive trees, which you did
not plant…" / 4

In the book of Isaiah, we read: "Foreigners shall build up your walls,
and their kings shall minister to you ... For the nation and kingdom
that will not serve you shall perish … The sons of those who oppressed
you shall come bending low to you, and all who despised you shall bow
down at your feet … Aliens shall stand and feed your flocks,
foreigners shall be your plowmen and vinedressers … you shall eat the
wealth of the nations, and in their riches you shall glory." / 5

In the book of Joshua, we read: "I will give you a land on which you
had not labored, and cities which you had not built, and you dwell
therein; you eat the fruit of vineyards and olive yards which you did
not plant." And in the book of Psalms, God says to the Jews: "Ask of
me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the
earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, and
dash them in pieces like a potter's wheel." / 6

In the book of Deuteronomy, Jews are promised: "Then the Lord will
drive out all these nations before you, and you will dispossess
nations greater and mightier than yourselves. Every place on which the
sole of your foot treads shall be yours … No man shall be able to
stand against you. The Lord your God will lay the fear of you and the
dread of you upon all the land that you shall tread, as he promised
you." In another passage, we are told that God says to his chosen
people: "This day I will begin to put the dread and fear of you upon
the peoples that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear the report
of you and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you." / 7

The moral code laid out in the Hebrew scriptures commands one standard
for the "chosen people," and another for non-Jews. In keeping with
this ethno-centric morality, Jews are told that they must discriminate
against non-Jews. In the book of Deuteronomy, God commands the Jews:
"You shall not lend upon interest to your brother, interest on money,
interest on victuals, interest on anything that is lent for interest.
To a foreigner [that is, a non-Jew] you may lend upon interest, but to
your brother you shall not lend upon interest." / 8

Many portions of the Hebrew scriptures -- especially the books of
Joshua, Numbers, and Deuteronomy -- tell of genocidal mass killings of
non-Jews. The Jewish God repeatedly calls on his chosen people to
exterminate non-Jews. The Jewish scriptures are perhaps the oldest
historical record anywhere of systematic genocide.

In the seventh chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, we read: "When the
Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take
possession of it, and clears away many nations before you -- the
Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the
Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites -- seven nations greater
and mightier than yourselves, and when the Lord your God gives them
over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them;
you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them … And
you shall destroy all the peoples that the Lord your god will give
over to you, your eye shall not pity them." / 9

In the book of Esther, we read: "So the Jews struck down all their
enemies with the sword, slaughtering, and destroying them, and did as
they pleased to those who hated them. In the citadel of Susa the Jews
killed and destroyed five hundred people … Now the other Jews who were
in the king's provinces also gathered to defend their lives, and
gained relief from their enemies, and killed seventy-five thousand of
those who hated them…" In another passage in Deuteronomy, we read:
"And we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed
every city, men, women and children; we left none remaining; only the
cattle we took as spoil for ourselves, with the booty of the cites
which we captured." / 10

In the twentieth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, we read: "When
you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it.
And if the answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the
people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall
serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against
you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it
into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women
and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all
its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves; and you shall enjoy
the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you … But
in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God give you for an
inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall
utterly destroy them…" / 11

In the book of Joshua, we read this harrowing account:

"When Israel had finished slaughtering all the inhabitants of Ai in
the open wilderness where they pursued them, and when all of them to
the very last had fallen by the edge of the sword, all Israel returned
to Ai, and attacked it with the edge of the sword. The total of those
who fell that day, both men and women, was twelve thousand -- all the
people of Ai. For Joshua did not draw back his hand, with which he
stretched out the sword, until he had utterly destroyed all the
inhabitants of Ai. Only the livestock and the spoil of that city
Israel took as their booty, according to the word of the Lord that he
had issued to Joshua. So Joshua burned Ai, and made it for ever a heap
of ruins, as it is to this day." / 12

In another chapter of the book of Joshua, we read: / 13

"And Joshua took Makkedah on that day, and struck it and its king with
the edge of the sword; he utterly destroyed every person in it; he
left no one remaining. And he did to the king of Makkedah, as he had
done to the king of Jericho.

"Then Joshua passed on from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, to
Libnah, and fought against Libnah. The Lord gave it also and its king
into the hand of Israel; and he struck it with the edge of the sword,
and every person in it; he left no one remaining in it; and he did to
its king as he had done to the king of Jericho …

"So Joshua defeated the whole land, the hill country and the Negeb and
the lowland and the slopes, and all their kings; he left no one
remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of
Israel commanded. And Joshua defeated them from Kadesh-barnea to Gaza,
and all the country of Goshen, as far as Gibeon."

Over the centuries there have, of course, been important changes in
Jewish community attitudes and behavior. Jews today do not observe all
the rules and commands laid down in their religious writings. For
example, they do not put to death women caught in adultery, or kill
anyone who works on the Sabbath, or put to death anyone who curses his
father or mother. /14

All the same, the weight of tradition is a heavy one, especially when
based on writings that are held to be sacred. Something of the
attitude of separateness, chosenness and superiority laid out in the
Hebrew scriptures persists to the present, and is manifest in policies
of Israel, and of the organized Jewish community. /15

For some orthodox Jewish leaders, the "chosen people" is not just a
superior or privileged group. They regard Jews and non-Jews as
practically different species.

Rabbi Menachen Schneerson, the "Lubovitcher Rebbe" who headed the
Chabad orthodox Jewish movement, and wielded great influence in Israel
as well as in the US, explained: / 16

"The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from
the common expression, `Let us differentiate.' Thus, we do not have a
case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior
level. Rather we have a case of `let us differentiate' between totally
different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the
body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the
body of [members] of all nations of the world … A non-Jew's entire
reality is only vanity. It is written, `And the strangers shall guard
and feed your flocks' (Isaiah 61:5). The entire creation [of a
non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews …"

Rabbi Kook the Elder, another influential and much revered Jewish
leader, expressed a similar view: "The difference between a Jewish
soul and the souls of non-Jews -- all of them in all different levels
-- is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and
the souls of cattle." / 17

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, one of Israel's most prominent and influential
Jewish religious leaders, says that non-Jews (Goyim) exist only to
serve Jews. "Goyim were born only to serve us," said Rabbi Yosef
during a sermon in October 2010. "Without that, they have no place in
the world -- only to serve the people of Israel." /18

The view that Jews are a distinct people with a primary commitment to
Israel and the Jewish community is forthrightly affirmed by Elliott
Abrams, an American Jewish scholar who was President George W. Bush's
senior advisor for "global democratic strategy," and in 2006 was a key
advisor on Middle East affairs to the US Secretary of State. In his
book Faith or Fear: How Jews Can Survive in Christian America, /19 he
writes: "Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews,
faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart
from the nations in which they live. It is the very nature of being
Jewish to be apart -- except in Israel -- from the rest of the
population." Judaism and the Jewish way of life," writes Abrams, is
not "entirely voluntary, for the Jew is born into a covenantal
community with obligations to God." Jews, he goes on, "are in a
permanent covenant with God and with the land of Israel and its
people. Their commitment will not weaken if the Israeli government
pursues unpopular policies …"

The Jewish sense of alienation from, and abiding distrust of, non-Jews
is also manifest in a remarkable essay published in 2002 in the
Forward, the prominent Jewish community weekly. Entitled "We're Right,
the Whole World's Wrong," it is written by Rabbi Dov Fischer, an
attorney and a member of the Jewish Community Relations Committee of
the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles. / 20 Rabbi Fischer is also
national vice president of the Zionist Organization of America. He is
thus not an obscure or semi-literate scribbler, but rather an
influential Jewish community figure. And this piece did not appear in
some marginal periodical, but rather in what is perhaps the most
literate and thoughtful Jewish weekly in America, and certainly one of
the most influential.

In his essay, Rabbi Fischer tells readers: "If we Jews are anything,
we are a people of history … Our history provides the strength to know
that we can be right and the whole world wrong." He goes on:

"We were right, and the whole world was wrong. The Crusades. The blood
libels and the Talmud burnings in England and France, leading those
nations to expel Jews for centuries. The Spanish and Portuguese
Inquisition. The ghettos and the Mortara case in Italy. Dreyfus in
France. Beilis in Russia and a century's persecution of Soviet Jewry.
The Holocaust. Kurt Waldheim in Austria. Each time, Europe stood by
silently -- or actively participated in murdering us -- and we alone
were right, and the whole world was wrong.

"Today, once again, we alone are right and the whole world is wrong.
The Arabs, the Russians, the Africans, the Vatican proffer their
aggregated insights into and accumulated knowledge of the ethics of
massacre. And the Europeans. Although we appreciate the half-century
of West European democracy more than we appreciated the prior
millennia of European brutality, we recognize who they are, what they
have done -- and what's what. ...

"We remember that the food they [Europeans] eat is grown from soil
fertilized by 2,000 years of Jewish blood they have sprinkled onto it.
Atavistic Jew-hatred lingers in the air into which the ashes rose from
the crematoria... Yes, once again, we are right and the whole world is
wrong. It doesn't change a thing, but after 25 centuries it's nice to
know."

Time and again in history, Jews have wielded great power to further
group interests that are separate from, and often contrary to, those
of the non-Jewish populations among whom they live. This creates an
inherently unjust and unstable situation that all too often has ended
tragically in violent conflict between Jews and non-Jews.

In our age, the seemingly intractable Middle East conflict is more
than just a problem of Zionism or politics, or a dispute over land.
Israel's often arrogant policies, and especially its inhumane
treatment of non-Jews, have roots in centuries-old attitudes that are
laid out in ancient Jewish religious writings.

Notes

Deuteronomy 7:6 and 14:2.
Numbers 23:9; Exodus 33:16.
Deuteronomy 28: 1, 10; 15: 6.
Genesis 27: 28-29; Deuteronomy 6: 10-11.
Isaiah 60: 10-14; Isaiah 61: 5-6.
Joshua 24:13; Psalms 2:8.
Deuteronomy 11: 23, 25: 2: 25.
Deuteronomy 23:19-20.
Deuteronomy 7: 2, 16.
Esther 9:2, 5; Deut . 2:34.
Deuteronomy 20: 10-14, 16-17.
Joshua 8: 24-27.
Joshua 10: 26-40
Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22: 20-21 / Exodus 31: 15; Exodus 35: 2 /
Exodus 21: 17; Leviticus 20: 9.
Israel Shahak, a Jewish scholar who for years was a professor at
Hebrew University in Jerusalem, provides striking examples of this in
modern-day Israel in his eye-opening book, Jewish History, Jewish
Religion, published first in 1994.
( http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm )
(http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_history.html)
From the book by Schneerson, Gatherings of Conversations, published in
1965. Quoted in: Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, Jewish
Fundamentalism (London: 1999), pp. 59-60.
( http://www.mailstar.net/shahak2.html )
(http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_fundamentalism.html)
Also cited by Jewish scholar Allan C. Brownfeld in his review
published in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 2000.
( http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0300/0003105.html )
Quoted in: Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, Jewish Fundamentalism
(London: 1999), p. ix.
( http://www.mailstar.net/shahak2.html )
(http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_fundamentalism.html)
Also cited by Jewish scholar Allan C. Brownfeld in his review
published in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 2000.
( http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0300/0003105.html )
"Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews," The Jerusalem Post
(Israel), Oct. 18, 2010.
(http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782)
Elliott Abrams, Faith or Fear: How Jews Can Survive in Christian
America (New York: 1997), pp. 30, 145, 181.
Dov Fischer, "We're Right, the Whole World's Wrong," Forward (New
York), April 19, 2002, p. 11.
( http://rabbidov.com/American%20Jews/wererightworldwrong.htm )
Some of Fischer's remarks here are gross distortions of history. For
example, his mention of "a century's persecution of Soviet Jewry" is a
breathtaking falsehood. For one thing, the entire Soviet period lasted
72 years, not 100. And during at least some of that period, above all
during the first ten years of the Soviet era, Jews wielded tremendous,
if not dominant power. Rabbi Fischer seems to have forgotten such
figures as Leon Trotsky, com­mander in chief of the young Soviet
state's Red Army, Grigori Zinoviev, head of the Communist
International, and Yakov Sverdlov, the first Soviet president. (See:
M. Weber, "The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's
Early Soviet Regime," The Journal of Historical Review, Jan.-Feb.
1994. (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html )
-Ju


>
>E.g. the Quran mentions 'Children of Israel'.
>
>This is possible under the following considerations:
>
>Islam is the Arabic form of a former believe, held by a Christian sect, 
>that split off from Christianity and went to the city Merv in current 
>Turmenistan.
>
>The Arabs have conquered that Empire and adopted the formerly Christian 
>believe and added some Arabic elements, from what later Islam emerged.
>
>This sect in Merv split of from Christianity, because of the trinitarian 
>believe, created by the Romans, that was introduced in the Concil of Nizea.
>
>The Romans have adopted their believe from a sect, that split of from 
>Judaism called 'Essener', after wiping out Judaism in Palestine.
>
>So we should think about the original religions as one and the same, but 
>what have been altered to apparently opposing believes.
>
>Jews (or: believers in Judaism) stem from the Empire of the Queen of 
>Sheba, what was in the current Ethiopia. So a main feature of Jews would 
>be dark skin.
>
>Only these people, that look a little similar to bob Marley, did not 
>profit from 9-11.
>

Christians believed in the Old Testament but thought it was superceded
by Jesus. They thought that those who believe in Jesus were the great
ones and not the race of Jews, though Christianity has relatively
recently become more Judiazed. Islam also made changes. The problem is
Judaism because they think they are a chosen race today and should
rule over lesser humans, but only for the benefit of the Jews.



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#268877

Am 30.09.2015 22:41, schrieb Topaz:
>> E.g. the Quran mentions 'Children of Israel'.
>> >
>> >This is possible under the following considerations:
>> >
>> >Islam is the Arabic form of a former believe, held by a Christian sect,
>> >that split off from Christianity and went to the city Merv in current
>> >Turmenistan.
>> >
>> >The Arabs have conquered that Empire and adopted the formerly Christian
>> >believe and added some Arabic elements, from what later Islam emerged.
>> >
>> >This sect in Merv split of from Christianity, because of the trinitarian
>> >believe, created by the Romans, that was introduced in the Concil of Nizea.
>> >
>> >The Romans have adopted their believe from a sect, that split of from
>> >Judaism called 'Essener', after wiping out Judaism in Palestine.
>> >
>> >So we should think about the original religions as one and the same, but
>> >what have been altered to apparently opposing believes.
>> >
>> >Jews (or: believers in Judaism) stem from the Empire of the Queen of
>> >Sheba, what was in the current Ethiopia. So a main feature of Jews would
>> >be dark skin.
>> >
>> >Only these people, that look a little similar to bob Marley, did not
>> >profit from 9-11.
>> >
> Christians believed in the Old Testament but thought it was superceded
> by Jesus. They thought that those who believe in Jesus were the great
> ones and not the race of Jews, though Christianity has relatively
> recently become more Judiazed. Islam also made changes. The problem is
> Judaism because they think they are a chosen race today and should
> rule over lesser humans, but only for the benefit of the Jews.

(I had to shorten the quote a little bit, but don't want to call that 
<snippping>.)

So you apparently want me to make a statement about whether or not a 
group of believers may called themselves 'the chosen ones'.

This is a rather difficult question, but I would say: yes, they may do that.

This is actually a very good way to deal with certain hardships of life 
and I would recommend such a habit.

So these chosen people bear a certain responsibility. That is the burden 
to do for mankind, what they regard as divine wishes.

This should be -at least to some degree- beneficial, even if the 
intentions of heaven are not properly understood.


TH

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#268888

On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 21:30:36 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:


>
>(I had to shorten the quote a little bit, but don't want to call that 
><snippping>.)
>
>So you apparently want me to make a statement about whether or not a 
>group of believers may called themselves 'the chosen ones'.

Well, you can if you want to.

>
>This is a rather difficult question, but I would say: yes, they may do that.

 If they are dangerous to other people they should be kept out of
political office, and kept away from the media, and you might as well
kick them out of the country.


>
>This is actually a very good way to deal with certain hardships of life 
>and I would recommend such a habit.
>
>So these chosen people bear a certain responsibility. That is the burden 
>to do for mankind, what they regard as divine wishes.

Jews don't do for mankind. They do for themselves.

>
>This should be -at least to some degree- beneficial, even if the 
>intentions of heaven are not properly understood.
>
They may think they are chosen, but that doesn't mean anyone in heaven
agrees with that. And many telescopes are pointed to the sky and many
spaceships have been sent into space, with no sign of heaven.




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#268905

Am 01.10.2015 22:43, schrieb Topaz:

>>
>> So you apparently want me to make a statement about whether or not a
>> group of believers may called themselves 'the chosen ones'.
>
> Well, you can if you want to.
>
>>
>> This is a rather difficult question, but I would say: yes, they may do that.
>
>   If they are dangerous to other people they should be kept out of
> political office, and kept away from the media, and you might as well
> kick them out of the country.

No.
'Them' is always the others and 'kicking them out' is not based on 
universal justice, but on 'us' (as opposite to 'them').

>
>>
>> This is actually a very good way to deal with certain hardships of life
>> and I would recommend such a habit.
>>
>> So these chosen people bear a certain responsibility. That is the burden
>> to do for mankind, what they regard as divine wishes.
>
> Jews don't do for mankind. They do for themselves.

In other words, you assume, that Jews call their own interests divine?

Well, actually I don't think so. But it is irrelevant anyhow, because 
'chosen' does not mean 'self-appointed'.

So you may think about yourself you are chosen, but this does not 
necessarily mean you are.

Instead it's helpful, since trying to do good works may cause occasional 
unintended harm, but less often than intentional misbehaviour.

This is why I would like to encourage  everybody to think about 
themselves as chosen ones.

This is a rather difficult mission, hence not really for everybody. But 
in case you like to have more challenging tasks, this would be something 
to do.

>>
>> This should be -at least to some degree- beneficial, even if the
>> intentions of heaven are not properly understood.
>>
> They may think they are chosen, but that doesn't mean anyone in heaven
> agrees with that. And many telescopes are pointed to the sky and many
> spaceships have been sent into space, with no sign of heaven.
>

You don't need a spaceship to see the heaven.

TH

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#268971

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:20:06 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:


>No.
>'Them' is always the others and 'kicking them out' is not based on 
>universal justice, but on 'us' (as opposite to 'them').

 We should have a nation for White people and not allow Jews because
they hate the White race.


>> Jews don't do for mankind. They do for themselves.
>
>In other words, you assume, that Jews call their own interests divine?

Yes

>
>Well, actually I don't think so. But it is irrelevant anyhow, because 
>'chosen' does not mean 'self-appointed'.

They aren't chosen then.

>
>So you may think about yourself you are chosen, but this does not 
>necessarily mean you are.
>
>Instead it's helpful, since trying to do good works may cause occasional 
>unintended harm, but less often than intentional misbehaviour.
>
>This is why I would like to encourage  everybody to think about 
>themselves as chosen ones.
>
>This is a rather difficult mission, hence not really for everybody. But 
>in case you like to have more challenging tasks, this would be something 
>to do.
>

>You don't need a spaceship to see the heaven.
>


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#268994

Am 02.10.2015 22:25, schrieb Topaz:
> On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:20:06 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>
> wrote:
>
>
>> No.
>> 'Them' is always the others and 'kicking them out' is not based on
>> universal justice, but on 'us' (as opposite to 'them').
>
>   We should have a nation for White people and not allow Jews because
> they hate the White race.


Most Jews are 'White'. The term 'Ashkenazi' means actually 'Germany' and 
most Germans are 'white'.

On the other hand: The Jews from the Old Testament would have been most 
likely 'black' (actually: from Africa), since the Jews had been given as 
tribute to Egypt by the Queen of Sheba.

The Empire of the Queen of Sheba was (most likely) where is Ethiopia today.

So the original Jews had to be somehow similar to Ethiopians look.

Since the people of Ethiopia have a very old culture and look quite 
beautiful, it is certainly possible, their ancestors looked nice as 
well. And in comparison to barbaric tribes of then stone-age Europe, the 
Ethiopians could haven been 'chosen'.



>
>>> Jews don't do for mankind. They do for themselves.
>>
>> In other words, you assume, that Jews call their own interests divine?
>
> Yes

Well, that's astonishing, since communication between people and heaven 
is mainly 'spiritual'. And you could easily misinterpret, what you 
regard as logic.

So it is wise to try to understand heavenly logic, before you regard 
such believes as a promise.

And I do not see, why the attribute 'chosen' should be distributed by 
mitochondrial rna.

>>
>> Well, actually I don't think so. But it is irrelevant anyhow, because
>> 'chosen' does not mean 'self-appointed'.
>
> They aren't chosen then.

If I had to decide (what I don't do), I would prefer people, who do good 
works.

So I don't think, that maleficent behaviour will be rewarded.
Maybe there are other/unknown  definitions of the term  'maleficent', 
but in a way I could assume, what will be eventually good for the society.

And such behaviour is much more likely to be wanted, rather then the 
members of a certain genetic group.

TH

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#269000

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 10:40:17 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:


>Most Jews are 'White'. The term 'Ashkenazi' means actually 'Germany' and 
>most Germans are 'white'.


Jews are an ethnic group. They are not just a religion. If a Jew
becomes a Christian or an atheist he still says he is a Jew. Most of
the Jews in the Jew country are atheist. They say that a Jew is anyone
that has a Jewish mother. Therefore it is a hereditary thing.

We are for having a nation of White people. Jews would be White enough
to join us if it weren't for other important factors. One  factor is
that they don't want our race to live. They want to be the only
Caucasians to survive on the earth.

The Jews have their own Jew country, but they demand multi-culture and
pluralism for us. Their leaders agree with something Hitler wrote:

"A State which, in an epoch of racial adulteration, devotes itself to
the duty of preserving the best elements of its racial stock must one
day become ruler of the Earth."

 
     Jews are enemies of White civilization.  Here are some quotes
from a very pro-Jewish book that was first published in 1925. The book
is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.

      "But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated
in the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were
neither Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing
Jews at all.
      "For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times. 
     "Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl
Marx, though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
throughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."


      "Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two
men who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went throughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."


      "The Jews had become the money lenders of Europe for quite
evident reasons. The Church sternly forbade all Christians to engage
in the pursuit...
      "So the Jews became the money lenders of Europe. They developed
a great shrewdness and cunning in the one and only field of
opportunity left open to them. And with their shrewdness and cunning
they developed a certain cruelty and greed. That was natural. The
world was cruel to them, so when the chance was theirs, they were
cruel in return..."      

Who Is a Jew? DNA Can Hold the Key 
The Telegraph (Britain) 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7346496/View-from-the-Lab-Who-is-a-Jew-DNA-can-hold-the-key.html

.. .. Even 20 years later the thought of a genetic test for Jewish
descent would have been treated with horror. Now, one has emerged and
is not despised but hailed by many Jews themselves. A scan of half a
million variable sites across the genomes of several hundred Europeans
and Americans, each aware from their family history of having had a
recent Jewish or a non-Jewish ancestry, gave an absolute separation
between Jews and others: even a single Jewish grandparent was enough
to provide an unambiguous identity, written in DNA.


>On the other hand: The Jews from the Old Testament would have been most 
>likely 'black' (actually: from Africa)


The Old Testament says that God likes one race of people more than
others.  It makes sense that it would be the White race. Compare
Europe to Africa. 

This is the definition of the word "adam" in Strong's Concordance:
 
      "to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:- be
(dyed, made) red (ruddy)."

      This can only be describing a White man. Look at people today
and see which ones have rosy red cheeks. They are light skinned White
people.  

     The Bible says David was ruddy. This is the definition of the
Hebrew word "ruddy":

      "reddish (of the hair or of the complexion):-red, ruddy."

       David had rosy cheeks (or red hair) and did not look like a
typical Jew.

   The original Israelites were White people.    

 Jews are like the American Indians of today. These people say they
are Indians but the original Indians were clearly described as having
red skin. Today Indians may look brown or white, but not red. Neither
are Jews like the original Israelites. 

     The religious leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees. Jesus
condemned them in the harshest words. 

  Matthew 23:33  "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell?"

     The New Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by David Bridger, PH.D in
association with Samual Wolk, Rabbi, J.S.D,  copyright 1962, Published
by Behrman House, inc.,1261 Broadway, New York 1, N.Y.,  Library of
Congress Catalog Card Number: 62-17079, says on page 376:

 "The Pharisees are therefore regarded as those authorities who helped
develop and preserve traditional Judaism as it is known today."

 The old drawing of Jesus were probably correct. He probably had blond
hair and blue eyes.
     
John 7:1  "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."

John 20:19  "the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
for fear of the Jews"

2 Co 11:24   "Of the Jews five times recieved I forty stripes save
one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned"

Mathew 27: 20+25  "But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the
multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus...then
answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children."

Acts 25:24  "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews
have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem and also here, crying that he
ought not to live any longer."

John 8:42,44,48  "Jesus said unto them...Ye are of your father the
devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth
in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a
liar, and the father of it...Then answered the Jews..."

     The religious leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees. Jesus
condemned them in the harshest words. 

  Matthew 23:33  "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell?"

     The New Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by David Bridger, PH.D in
association with Samual Wolk, Rabbi, J.S.D,  copyright 1962, Published
by Behrman House, inc.,1261 Broadway, New York 1, N.Y.,  Library of
Congress Catalog Card Number: 62-17079, says on page 376:

 "The Pharisees are therefore regarded as those authorities who helped
develop and preserve traditional Judaism as it is known today."


>, since the Jews had been given as 
>tribute to Egypt by the Queen of Sheba.
>
>The Empire of the Queen of Sheba was (most likely) where is Ethiopia today.
>
>So the original Jews had to be somehow similar to Ethiopians look.
>
>Since the people of Ethiopia have a very old culture and look quite 
>beautiful,


No matter which non-White country one visits, they'll notice local
advertising which features models which have lighter skin and more
White features. Radical leftists and social engineers attribute this
to so-called "White institutionalized racism" No, it's because the
geometry of a White face combined with lighter skin color is
instinctively more appealing to the brain. Of course there are
exceptions, but broadly this is true, which is why White is the gold
standard for beauty globally.

Full article w/ photos:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=634099


> it is certainly possible, their ancestors looked nice as 
>well. And in comparison to barbaric tribes of then stone-age Europe, the 
>Ethiopians could haven been 'chosen'.

In "1984" it says that he who controls the present controls the past.
And Jews control the present.


>Well, that's astonishing, since communication between people and heaven 
>is mainly 'spiritual'. And you could easily misinterpret, what you 
>regard as logic.

The people who wrote the Bible thought heaven was in the sky and it is
not there. That is why they called it heaven as in the heavens. 

Acts 1:9
After saying this, he was taken up into a cloud while they were
watching, and they could no longer see him. 10 As they strained to see
him rising into heaven, two white-robed men suddenly stood among them.
11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why are you standing here staring
into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he
will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!"

There are many telescopes pointed to the sky and many things have been
sent into space with no sign of heaven.



>
>So it is wise to try to understand heavenly logic, before you regard 
>such believes as a promise.
>
>And I do not see, why the attribute 'chosen' should be distributed by 
>mitochondrial rna.

>> They aren't chosen then.
>
>If I had to decide (what I don't do), I would prefer people, who do good 
>works.

They are the best people.

>
>So I don't think, that maleficent behaviour will be rewarded.
>Maybe there are other/unknown  definitions of the term  'maleficent', 
>but in a way I could assume, what will be eventually good for the society.
>
>And such behaviour is much more likely to be wanted, rather then the 
>members of a certain genetic group.
>


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#269013

Am 03.10.2015 12:28, schrieb Topaz:

>
>> Most Jews are 'White'. The term 'Ashkenazi' means actually 'Germany' and
>> most Germans are 'white'.
>
>
> Jews are an ethnic group. They are not just a religion. If a Jew
> becomes a Christian or an atheist he still says he is a Jew. Most of
> the Jews in the Jew country are atheist. They say that a Jew is anyone
> that has a Jewish mother. Therefore it is a hereditary thing.




actually I don't see it like that.

Judaism is a religion and believers in Judaism are Jews. (my oppinion)

If Jews have other believes, that certainly their right and I don't want 
to interfere into their business.

So, this 'race' declares themselves as an elite and regard themselves as 
those, who fulfil heavens plan on Earth.

Well, maybe...This isn't actually a bad idea, as I have written earlier.


TH

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#269042

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 19:02:23 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:


>
>actually I don't see it like that.
>
>Judaism is a religion and believers in Judaism are Jews. (my oppinion)
>
>If Jews have other believes, that certainly their right and I don't want 
>to interfere into their business.

http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2013/05/08/my-jewish-atheism/

My Jewish Atheism

When asked if she believed in God, Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir
responded "I believe in the Jewish people." Credit: Creative
Commons/Marion S. Trikosko.

I am grateful to belong to a people, a culture, and a community that
embrace a spectrum of religious backgrounds and beliefs. When asked if
she believed in God, Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir responded "I
believe in the Jewish people." Questioning and struggling with the
concept of God are deeply ingrained in Judaism and literally part of
the word Israel, the community of Jews, from which the country takes
its name. Therefore, atheism is kosher and I am proud to be an
"atheist of the book."

Spiritually and intellectually, I believe that complex questions are
almost always better than simplistic answers. Faith, whether in God or
anything else, is not necessarily important; what is important is
community and action, that is, doing Jewish stuff separately and
together, doing good deeds. With or without God, there can be and is
Judaism, reverence, spirituality, awe, the sacred, transcendence,
radical amazement, mystery, miracles, community, ethics, gratitude,
compassion, kindness, education, wisdom, justice, mentshlikhkayt, and
so on.

Whether good or bad things happen, I don't blame, praise, beg, fear,
or worship any God or gods, devils or demons, angels or ghosts. Just
because the unknown may be unknown doesn't mean that God is the only
or best way to explain it. I instead recognize the physical,
psychological, sociological, and other forces, both known and unknown,
that influence us and the world. Likewise, the only heavens or hells
are the many metaphorical ones we create for ourselves and others. The
concept of God doesn't necessarily lead to spirituality, meaning,
responsibility, peace, or justice, though of course it can, but rather
often inhibits those processes by distraction, deflection, delay - or
worse.

We all rely on science in so many ways. Science, which is
fundamentally based on observation and evidence, is completely
incompatible with theism. In all cases, the burden should be on
believers of a phenomenon to prove what they claim exists; in
contrast, one should not have to try to prove the non-existence of
God, flying spaghetti monsters, or anything else. In the absence of
evidence, I choose not to believe in something I'm confident does not
exist. If a God does exist, however, either God is doing a really
crappy and cruel job and therefore should be continuously rebuked by
all or God negligently doesn't get involved and is therefore still
guilty of reckless disregard yet is also irrelevant. If God is Being,
Nature, Awe, Energy, Great Spirit, Love, Inside Us, the Universe, or
anything of the sort, as it is for some, then the God concept seems an
unnecessary layer of obfuscation and therefore superfluous as it adds
nothing beyond the word and concept itself.

To put it mildly, the evidence for God and other supernatural beings
is extremely weak at best. On this point, I am in very good (Jewish)
company: Baruch Spinoza, Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Rosa Luxemburg, Emma
Goldman, Sigmund Freud, Marcel Proust, Franz Kafka, Niels Bohr, Primo
Levi, Saul Alinsky, Hannah Arendt, Golda Meir, Moshe Dayan, David
Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Rabin, Janet Jagan, Erich Fromm, Carl Sagan, Isaac
Asimov, Stan Lee, Harold Pinter, Abbie Hoffman, Jacques Derrida, Betty
Friedan, Claude Lévi-Strauss, Richard Feynman, Daniel Seligman,
Stephen Jay Gould, Howard Zinn, Maurice Sendak, Aaron Swartz, Nadine
Gordimer, Amos Oz, Frank Gehry, Lawrence Bush, Peter Singer, Bill
Maher, Marvin Minsky, Robert Sapolsky, Steven Pinker, Noam Chomsky,
Oliver Sacks, Jared Diamond, Jules Feiffer, George Soros, Woody Allen,
Paul Krassner, Gloria Steinem, Nathan Englander, Jonathan Safran Foer,
Mark Zuckerberg, Uri Avnery, Rabbi Sherwin Wine, Rabbi Peter
Schweitzer, Rabbi Jeffrey Falick, Rabbi Richard Hirsh, as well as some
of my family, friends, co-congregationalists, and others.

As with Emile Durkheim, for me, divinity is manifested in community
and we are a holy community, as all good communities are. I am
religious because I belong to a religious community, which I love, not
because I believe in supernatural beings. There is only one God, as
our tradition suggests, and we atheists don't believe in it (how
strange that people typically genderize God as male, as if God could
also have a race or nationality). Even without God, I am a proud,
practicing, affiliated, and active Jew and congregational member,
having had a bar mitzvah and a Jewish wedding, regularly attending
services and serving on committees, as well as engaging in Torah and
Talmud study, and my son having had a bar mitzvah and hopefully,
sometime in the future, a Jewish wedding.

Biblical Abraham created atheism for all gods but one. It might be
time to smash the idolatry of the belief in this last remaining God.
Jews have sometimes described God as a verb, as a job description,
ineffable, limitless, unknowable, and much else, but fundamentally I
think of God as a misunderstanding, a mistranslation, a
misappropriation of our individual and communal energy. Rabbi Michael
Lerner says that "the God you don't believe in doesn't exist." Mine
certainly doesn't. As an ethnic, religious, spiritual, and
intellectual community, I think we need to theologically transition
from monotheism, a belief in one God, to monism, a belief in oneness.


>So, this 'race' declares themselves as an elite and regard themselves as 
>those, who fulfil heavens plan on Earth.
>
>Well, maybe...This isn't actually a bad idea, as I have written earlier.
>

They were behind Communism for one thing.


Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
"This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)

Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and
His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941, translated by
Charles Malamuth.
In this book he told who the principle members of the October Central
Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik Party
during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons elected by
secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the exception
of the four who had received the largest number of votes. Lenin--133
out of a possible 134,  Zinoviev--132,  Kamenev--131,  Trotzky--131."

Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three were
known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a Jewess. It
was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London Jewish
Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.

David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
Revolution, wrote:
"The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country
but are internationalists and they are trying to start a world-wide
revolution."

The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
wrote this:
"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
movement controlled by Jews."

In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
Amerasia case they were:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
ringleader of the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.

In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.

The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was Gerhart
Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist Party
in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.

In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film writers
of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of Congress
and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of the ten
were communist party members and the other four were flagrantly
pro-communist.

One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis and
the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National Secretariat of
the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two gentiles, three
nationality unknown.

Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews. 
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.

"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in the
heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither
Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at
all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times. 

"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
throughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two  men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went throughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."

The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and published
by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes Stalin in an
interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency. Stalin said:
"...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
law."

The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
the
U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominent in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type" type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 'commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government. 

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to read
articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
stuff.  From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I
recalled to mind the names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then
I realized that most of them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social
Democratic representatives in the Imperial Cabinet as well as the
secretaries if the Trades Unions and the street agitators. Everywhere
the same sinister picture presented itself. I shall never forget the
row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler, Ellonbogen, and others. One
fact became quite evident to me. It was that this alien race held in
its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic Party with whose
minor representatives I had been disputing for months past."

Solzhenitsyn in his book, "Gulag Archipelago Two", shows the top
administrators of soviet death camps; Yavguda, Berman, Frankel and the
rest, and most of them were Jewish.

Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
"The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."


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#269173

Am 04.10.2015 11:34, schrieb Topaz:

>> actually I don't see it like that.
>>
>> Judaism is a religion and believers in Judaism are Jews. (my oppinion)
>>
>> If Jews have other believes, that certainly their right and I don't want
>> to interfere into their business.
>
> http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2013/05/08/my-jewish-atheism/
>
> My Jewish Atheism
>
> When asked if she believed in God, Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir
> responded "I believe in the Jewish people." Credit: Creative
> Commons/Marion S. Trikosko.
>
> I am grateful to belong to a people, a culture, and a community that
> embrace a spectrum of religious backgrounds and beliefs. When asked if
> she believed in God, Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir responded "I
> believe in the Jewish people." Questioning and struggling with the
> concept of God are deeply ingrained in Judaism and literally part of
> the word Israel, the community of Jews, from which the country takes
> its name. Therefore, atheism is kosher and I am proud to be an
> "atheist of the book."
>


I'm a little insecure, what you try to tell.

I personally think, that religious groups have the right to define, what 
they believe.

(Another right is that of a person to chose the believe.)

So, yes, Jews may call their group 'chosen' and they could be rightfully 
proud about famous members.

This is insofar ok.

I would actually like to make a few proposals for what they could 
eventually correct in their believe-system, but would not do that.

About political system we have other rules and people and parties may 
not do  whatever comes to their mind.

About the statement of Mrs. Meir I like to criticise this collectivistic 
undertone, since that does remind me too much about socialism. And 
people -especially in Germany- are particularly happy, that this 
movement has deceased.


TH

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