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| Started by | Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> |
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| First post | 2015-12-21 09:17 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-12-24 10:04 -0200 |
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Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2015-12-21 09:17 +0100
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 09:07 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software linuxiac <linuxiac@usa.com> - 2015-12-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 09:58 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-12-21 15:37 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 10:45 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-12-23 10:12 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-23 11:19 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-12-24 11:41 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-12-24 14:21 +0100
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-24 11:54 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-12-24 13:49 -0800
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-24 15:24 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-24 15:32 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-12-24 20:00 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 06:55 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-28 11:08 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 13:26 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 13:02 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-28 13:30 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 15:01 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:33 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-28 20:45 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 19:02 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:53 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-12-30 01:35 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-29 19:03 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:15 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-30 09:33 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-01-03 05:18 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:24 -0600
Re: Eddie Haskell admits: William Jefferson Clinton lied to the country when he said Iraq had WMD Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-12-28 18:05 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-12-29 21:00 +0000
Re: Eddie Haskell admits: William Jefferson Clinton lied to the country when he said Iraq had WMD Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-12-28 23:26 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-12-29 00:54 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software G. Morgan <graham@grahammorgan.name> - 2015-12-30 16:39 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-12-31 03:20 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-31 08:25 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-01 11:47 +0100
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-01 11:38 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-01 11:11 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-28 14:42 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-28 13:34 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 15:03 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:35 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-29 06:21 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:54 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-29 18:07 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:05 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-12-30 13:13 +0100
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-30 09:32 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-30 13:36 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-28 16:35 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 16:55 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:38 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 19:00 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:55 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:36 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-12-29 03:26 +0100
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:56 -0700
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-24 10:46 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-12-21 13:52 -0200
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-12-21 23:38 +0100
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 19:05 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-22 07:04 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-21 09:10 -0600
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-12-21 13:44 -0200
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-12-21 16:32 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-12-21 20:19 -0200
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 19:03 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-12-22 13:08 -0800
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-22 17:44 -0500
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-12-23 10:15 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-12-23 11:37 -0800
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-12-24 09:45 +0100
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-12-23 22:08 +0000
Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-12-24 10:04 -0200
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| From | Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-01-01 11:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n668bf$k9g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5630 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-01-01 5:47 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > In article <kuca8bldeg6uauqsak3vbte0lbum92q8ns@4ax.com> chrisv > <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >> G. Morgan wrote: >> >>> chrisv wrote: >>>> >>>> 100's of millions of people benefit from Free and Open >>>> Source Software, despite not being technical people. The >>>> source being both Free (as in Freedom) and Open is essential >>>> for this thriving community to exist. >>>> >>>> Dumbshits can have a hard time understanding the importance >>>> of Freedom. It doesn't mean that everything is without cost >>>> or effort, but it does mean that anything is possible. >>> >>> Agreed. I'm not a current programmer but have been exposed to >>> it. Its nice to see the source and if there are questions then >>> I can just ask. >> >> It's much more than "nice", though. Being Free and Open-Source >> is *everything*. It's what allows people to build-up the work of >> others. It's what allows the sharing of code, with the assurance >> that it won't be usurped and used against you. >> >> Of course, proprietary software has its role in the world, too. > > Who watches the watchers? +1 for Watchmen quote. Love that film. - -- Slimer EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWhqVPAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uXYwH/3fDsAgSVJc6JCWetzmp4PMn 2ge51kP11FgSpIvjnxXw6POBCqIrNGZ+BhwKkXY0QrvVgBakdT0VjkTYlmuBeHs7 nJU1nFzOoRek9tiaE2Fj3GUkJGotaNHcR+Zc4qxC0y6VZaje9qANnkG9U99RX8Ec 30yxu9Xz6qrPxCMVe8IsBVXF7/dAGGnWedOkYpobrsIJy+7UcWny4bG8WlD+4P0J q9W9kBdJD2Qd5dWuQGAQvNmesoSwagjxUs1UH64RlmqVEafRM7tMRY8rZJDvdQvv 9W9vWOYlRjsUp5EfD6kuuikPZT9iAhSxol/P0J51Tzs84fa0j/xXIHHKygp9ihI= =yjU4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 14:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n5s359$kjj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5578 |
On 12/28/2015 01:08 PM, Snerdly wrote: > On 12/28/2015 5:55 AM, chrisv wrote: >> Snerdly wrote: >> >>> On 12/24/15 06:21, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>> >>>> You are truly a snittish idiot. Having the source is useful for every user, >>>> even if he is a total non-programmer. It makes certain that the programs are >>>> available and changeable. >>> >>> Only to the IT dept. that actually has a decent programmer. The end >>> user would have no need and is not trained for that task. >> >> Dumbshit. >> > > How would a desk clerk know about programming? > They aren't trained to do the job, nor are they competent to do the > task. What part of this do you not understand? > How does that desk clerk operate with any other OS? -- Caver1
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| From | Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 13:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5s685$1n7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5580 |
On 12/28/2015 12:42 PM, Caver1 wrote: > On 12/28/2015 01:08 PM, Snerdly wrote: >> On 12/28/2015 5:55 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> Snerdly wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/24/15 06:21, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You are truly a snittish idiot. Having the source is useful for >>>>> every user, >>>>> even if he is a total non-programmer. It makes certain that the >>>>> programs are >>>>> available and changeable. >>>> >>>> Only to the IT dept. that actually has a decent programmer. The end >>>> user would have no need and is not trained for that task. >>> >>> Dumbshit. >>> >> >> How would a desk clerk know about programming? >> They aren't trained to do the job, nor are they competent to do the >> task. What part of this do you not understand? >> > > How does that desk clerk operate with any other OS? > The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 15:03 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <up838bt92sficmgaop7erm30q55nvt20cs@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #5583 |
Snerdly wrote: >The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the >programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to. Liar. Another free hint: Programmers can be hired. -- "GNU/Linux takes all of the technology world's biggest failures and bundles them all together into 500,000 different distributions for your convenience." - "Slimer"
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| From | Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 18:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5snsp$10h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5585 |
On 12/28/2015 2:03 PM, chrisv wrote: > Snerdly wrote: > >> The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the >> programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to. > > Liar. > > Another free hint: Programmers can be hired. > You seem to have a reading comprehension problem here. I know that programmers can be hired, but the jist is that your office clerk or secretary can't program or fix bugs in programs using the source code, which is what Peter alluded to.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 06:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n4u48bdm2cjmh6s4rlb7nkm3b0lem7ndv5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #5592 |
Snerdly wrote: >You seem to have a reading comprehension problem here. That's very ironic, coming from the dumbshit who concluded that Peter was saying that "total non-programmers" can program. OTOH, I comprehend that you're a tragically stupid liar, just fine. "Duuhhhh.... How else do you want to define 'useful'? Duuhhh...." -- 'The right to pirate other people's work by freeloaders like you is not "internet freedom" - it's simple piracy.' - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", attacking an opponent of SOPA/PIPA
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| From | Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 13:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5urpi$koa$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5599 |
On 12/29/2015 5:21 AM, chrisv wrote: > Snerdly wrote: > >> You seem to have a reading comprehension problem here. > > That's very ironic, coming from the dumbshit who concluded that Peter > was saying that "total non-programmers" can program. > That's exactly what he said. > OTOH, I comprehend that you're a tragically stupid liar, just fine. > > "Duuhhhh.... How else do you want to define 'useful'? Duuhhh...." > You seem to be a hostile. PLONK
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| From | Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 18:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n5v3iu$m8r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5602 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-12-29 3:54 PM, Snerdly wrote: > On 12/29/2015 5:21 AM, chrisv wrote: >> Snerdly wrote: >> >>> You seem to have a reading comprehension problem here. >> >> That's very ironic, coming from the dumbshit who concluded that >> Peter was saying that "total non-programmers" can program. >> > > That's exactly what he said. > >> OTOH, I comprehend that you're a tragically stupid liar, just >> fine. >> >> "Duuhhhh.... How else do you want to define 'useful'? >> Duuhhh...." >> > > You seem to be a hostile. > > PLONK cum residue v is an idiot first, hostile second. - -- Slimer EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWgxI+AAoJEIwFfgf/rr+ugboH/1XFSD7P2jXag30zE6aU4xxH /RioxdiT71ApCQ8p8M5dNOTijx6AFoe1hNS592dL08VFKzsfSjqkHa3UD3+dKZNy 8FK2z2jOuOViyBXbCixFO+4j8hDFJLJB8AWlt58bGjX86Jn8+COrwJs8QZB0FRkm ic2WAFfKpVEHsy5IT9zvhda+CgBoH1K4TimBW0O05isbuqa9XNyOST2pd487sa0t AyMknxnGt47xO3K6EPr7qoXNCXv9T0zhY1BL96fmcdUGe4Lqm0WFxF9Wak26RWJQ Hh99pw7UA+bcVG7NlUb69x0NoJDnMw0xOubi99YtGpxQafNBjWlPTKBighBDCIY= =2LAI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 06:05 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <r1i78b19psfh03rtqqid0ho7pkohq2bmb9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #5602 |
Snerdly wrote: > (snipped, unread) *plonk* -- "GNU/Retards have been programmed to believe that they live in bizarro world where profits are optional and where employees don't expect to get paid for their labour." - "Slimer", lying shamelessly
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 13:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n60hkn$h4b$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5602 |
Snerdly wrote: > On 12/29/2015 5:21 AM, chrisv wrote: >> Snerdly wrote: >> >>> You seem to have a reading comprehension problem here. >> >> That's very ironic, coming from the dumbshit who concluded that Peter >> was saying that "total non-programmers" can program. >> > > That's exactly what he said. Idiot Do you also share your internet connection with a certain Snit Michael Glasser, the broke parasite from Prescott / AZ?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 09:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2A95532.681FD%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #5610 |
On 12/30/15, 5:13 AM, in article n60hkn$h4b$3@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > Snerdly wrote: > >> On 12/29/2015 5:21 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> Snerdly wrote: >>> >>>> You seem to have a reading comprehension problem here. >>> >>> That's very ironic, coming from the dumbshit who concluded that Peter >>> was saying that "total non-programmers" can program. >>> >> >> That's exactly what he said. > > > Idiot > Do you also share your internet connection with a certain Snit Michael > Glasser, the broke parasite from Prescott / AZ? > Ah, a slight twist on your "everyone is Snit" gag. You are branching out! -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 13:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n61f49$14d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5610 |
On 12/30/2015 5:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Snerdly wrote: > >> On 12/29/2015 5:21 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> Snerdly wrote: >>> >>>> You seem to have a reading comprehension problem here. >>> >>> That's very ironic, coming from the dumbshit who concluded that Peter >>> was saying that "total non-programmers" can program. >>> >> >> That's exactly what he said. > > > Do you also share your internet connection with a certain Snit Michael > Glasser, the broke parasite from Prescott / AZ? > No. Do you always reneg on what you wrote? Looks like it is you that is having the problem.
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| From | Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 16:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n5s9pi$f1h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5583 |
On 12/28/2015 03:34 PM, Snerdly wrote: > On 12/28/2015 12:42 PM, Caver1 wrote: >> On 12/28/2015 01:08 PM, Snerdly wrote: >>> On 12/28/2015 5:55 AM, chrisv wrote: >>>> Snerdly wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/24/15 06:21, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You are truly a snittish idiot. Having the source is useful for >>>>>> every user, >>>>>> even if he is a total non-programmer. It makes certain that the >>>>>> programs are >>>>>> available and changeable. >>>>> >>>>> Only to the IT dept. that actually has a decent programmer. The end >>>>> user would have no need and is not trained for that task. >>>> >>>> Dumbshit. >>>> >>> >>> How would a desk clerk know about programming? >>> They aren't trained to do the job, nor are they competent to do the >>> task. What part of this do you not understand? >>> >> >> How does that desk clerk operate with any other OS? >> > The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the > programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to. > In Linux he can make changes if he wants or just run it as is. -- Caver1
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 16:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2A71A01.680B0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #5586 |
On 12/28/15, 2:35 PM, in article n5s9pi$f1h$1@dont-email.me, "Caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote: >>>> How would a desk clerk know about programming? >>>> They aren't trained to do the job, nor are they competent to do the >>>> task. What part of this do you not understand? >>>> >>> >>> How does that desk clerk operate with any other OS? >>> >> The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the >> programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to. >> > > In Linux he can make changes if he wants or just run it as is. Given how the developers of many open source programs cannot get the program to work well, it is unlikely the end users will be able to. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 18:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5so2e$10h$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5589 |
On 12/28/2015 4:55 PM, Snit wrote: > On 12/28/15, 2:35 PM, in article n5s9pi$f1h$1@dont-email.me, "Caver1" > <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote: > >>>>> How would a desk clerk know about programming? >>>>> They aren't trained to do the job, nor are they competent to do the >>>>> task. What part of this do you not understand? >>>>> >>>> >>>> How does that desk clerk operate with any other OS? >>>> >>> The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the >>> programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to. >>> >> >> In Linux he can make changes if he wants or just run it as is. > > Given how the developers of many open source programs cannot get the program > to work well, it is unlikely the end users will be able to. > > Yes. That is my point as well. In the office setting, where the desk clerk is hired to do a job, isn't expected to use the source code of some application to reprogram the app and then debug it. Just isn't in the cards for that desk clerk. This is what Peter as alluded to, which is just absurd.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 19:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2A7375F.680D8%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #5594 |
On 12/28/15, 6:38 PM, in article n5so2e$10h$4@dont-email.me, "Snerdly" <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> wrote: > On 12/28/2015 4:55 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 12/28/15, 2:35 PM, in article n5s9pi$f1h$1@dont-email.me, "Caver1" >> <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote: >> >>>>>> How would a desk clerk know about programming? >>>>>> They aren't trained to do the job, nor are they competent to do the >>>>>> task. What part of this do you not understand? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How does that desk clerk operate with any other OS? >>>>> >>>> The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the >>>> programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to. >>>> >>> >>> In Linux he can make changes if he wants or just run it as is. >> >> Given how the developers of many open source programs cannot get the program >> to work well, it is unlikely the end users will be able to. >> > Yes. That is my point as well. In the office setting, where the desk > clerk is hired to do a job, isn't expected to use the source code of > some application to reprogram the app and then debug it. Just isn't in > the cards for that desk clerk. This is what Peter as alluded to, which > is just absurd. Does not even make sense to assume any but the largest of companies are going to take on a project and, say, make LibreOffice work with images as well as the competition. If the current developers have been unable to what makes him think some small group in some company will be able to? * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c> From the comments in the bug reports I have submitted to get it to compete well in that area would take a LOT of re-working of the back end code. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pnu48blpsem7dkrivnskk2g4gcio7bket4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #5594 |
Snerdly wrote: >This is what Peter as alluded to, which is just absurd. You are a bald-faced liar. Now *that* is absurd. Cue "what else can be meant by 'useful'?" assholery. -- "Multiple desktops have been available well before Win2k because I remember using them at a job I worked years before Win2k was released." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"
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| From | Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 13:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5urrf$koa$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5600 |
On 12/29/2015 5:24 AM, chrisv wrote: > Snerdly wrote: > >> This is what Peter as alluded to, which is just absurd. > > You are a bald-faced liar. Now *that* is absurd. > > Cue "what else can be meant by 'useful'?" assholery. > ***PLONK***
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| From | Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-28 18:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5snuk$10h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5586 |
On 12/28/2015 2:35 PM, Caver1 wrote: > On 12/28/2015 03:34 PM, Snerdly wrote: >> On 12/28/2015 12:42 PM, Caver1 wrote: >>> On 12/28/2015 01:08 PM, Snerdly wrote: >>>> On 12/28/2015 5:55 AM, chrisv wrote: >>>>> Snerdly wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/24/15 06:21, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are truly a snittish idiot. Having the source is useful for >>>>>>> every user, >>>>>>> even if he is a total non-programmer. It makes certain that the >>>>>>> programs are >>>>>>> available and changeable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Only to the IT dept. that actually has a decent programmer. The end >>>>>> user would have no need and is not trained for that task. >>>>> >>>>> Dumbshit. >>>>> >>>> >>>> How would a desk clerk know about programming? >>>> They aren't trained to do the job, nor are they competent to do the >>>> task. What part of this do you not understand? >>>> >>> >>> How does that desk clerk operate with any other OS? >>> >> The way they were shown how to use it, not to make changes to the >> programs that they are using as what Peter is alluding to. >> > > In Linux he can make changes if he wants or just run it as is. > If you can program, yes. But your average office secretary was hired to do a certain job, not to fix programs. I'm talking about the commercial sector here, not your home user.
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| From | "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 03:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7cbaf088f055563f339b5abf9ecdaf60@remailer.privacy.at> |
| In reply to | #5577 |
In article <j5c28bhju2ah31b6hh3v0dd3flli1vp0qr@4ax.com> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > Snerdly wrote: > > >On 12/24/15 06:21, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > >> > >> You are truly a snittish idiot. Having the source is useful for every user, > >> even if he is a total non-programmer. It makes certain that the programs are > >> available and changeable. > > > >Only to the IT dept. that actually has a decent programmer. The end > >user would have no need and is not trained for that task. > > Dumbshit. spoken like a true left winger.
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