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Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 13:13 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 13:31 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Th"?? Court in progress?? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 19:07 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:27 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:20 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:39 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 01:13 -0400
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-04 13:09 +0200
OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 10:40 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 19:34 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-04 17:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 14:11 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:38 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:35 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-06 04:13 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:11 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 04:20 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 02:14 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 06:27 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:12 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-09 07:35 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 00:42 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 17:00 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-09 17:34 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 15:58 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2026-07-10 10:32 -0500
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-10 21:57 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 13:28 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 17:24 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:42 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-11 11:02 +0000
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-11 20:58 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:38 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:02 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 06:51 -0700
Re: OT ... leg muscle memory? kicks? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 18:50 +0800
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-07 21:31 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-07 15:29 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 01:00 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 18:00 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-07-10 08:05 +0100
OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 16:24 +0100
Re: OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2026-07-10 21:29 +0100
Re: OT: Britain T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 19:07 -0700
Re: OT: Britain "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-11 21:10 +0100
Re: OT: Britain T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:44 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 18:19 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 18:06 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 20:02 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-09 00:06 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 00:45 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 20:17 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-06 04:33 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 11:37 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-06 11:48 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 10:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 18:26 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:53 -0400
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 10:40 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-04 18:38 +0000
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 13:22 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-04 20:52 +0000
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 15:28 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-04 23:19 +0100
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 19:05 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:38 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-06 20:50 +1000
Re: What is "Th"? "Tb"? Rare-earth elements? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 20:26 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 20:42 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:13 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 14:00 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 14:01 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 00:01 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 17:22 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 12:23 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 08:10 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:46 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-09 16:22 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 02:14 -0700
KAMEN RIDER MY-TH | Official Teaser - YouTube "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 21:38 +0800
Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:57 +0800
Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 19:50 -0700
Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 20:16 -0700
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 13:13 -0700 |
| Subject | Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <1129561$3lmc3$1@dont-email.me> |
Hi All,
I got a wild one from a customer a few days ago. He called
complaining Thunderbird was acting weird and his computer
was running like crap.
Okay. First thing I noticed was that Th was stuck in full
screen. When I tried to windows it from the decoration in
the upper right, it spawned a new small widowed instance
and left the original in full screen. It is kept doing it.
Oh and his 16 GB of memory was maxed out, so he was swapping.
Then I checked how large his profile was: 8 GB. Not an issue.
Okay, the I heard Jörg voice in the back of my head, so
I started it up in safe mode. All hell broke lose! It kept
automatically creating instances. When I finally stopped
it, I had 136 instances on Th. Killed them all with Task Manager.
Again with Jörg voice i the back of my head, I tried
a new profile. Worked fine.
So I rat packed his old profile out of the way, and copied
prefs.js ← important (contains account settings)
Optional (be careful)
abook.sqlite (address book)
cert9.db (certificates, usually safe)
logins.json + key4.db (saved passwords)
to his new profile. Problem solved.
Wow!
Then I upgraded him to Betterbird.
-T
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 13:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <112966s$3m0td$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21224 |
On 7/3/26 1:13 PM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I got a wild one from a customer a few days ago. He called
> complaining Thunderbird was acting weird and his computer
> was running like crap.
>
> Okay. First thing I noticed was that Th was stuck in full
> screen. When I tried to windows it from the decoration in
> the upper right, it spawned a new small widowed instance
> and left the original in full screen. It is kept doing it.
>
> Oh and his 16 GB of memory was maxed out, so he was swapping.
>
> Then I checked how large his profile was: 8 GB. Not an issue.
>
> Okay, the I heard Jörg voice in the back of my head, so
> I started it up in safe mode. All hell broke lose! It kept
> automatically creating instances. When I finally stopped
> it, I had 136 instances on Th. Killed them all with Task Manager.
>
> Again with Jörg voice i the back of my head, I tried
> a new profile. Worked fine.
>
> So I rat packed his old profile out of the way, and copied
>
> prefs.js ← important (contains account settings)
> Optional (be careful)
> abook.sqlite (address book)
> cert9.db (certificates, usually safe)
> logins.json + key4.db (saved passwords)
>
> to his new profile. Problem solved.
>
> Wow!
>
> Then I upgraded him to Betterbird.
>
> -T
I should have added:
Windows 11
Latest ESR of Th
Windows up time 2 hours, I rebooted anyway
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 19:07 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Fixed a wild one! "Th"?? Court in progress?? |
| Message-ID | <112apha$2v0p$2@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21225 |
On 7/4/2026 4:31 AM, T wrote:
>
> I should have added:
>
> Windows 11
> Latest ESR of Th
> Windows up time 2 hours, I rebooted anyway
Ask that person: is he/she in a seal?
Had he/she/it been to a court?
--
@~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
/( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 15:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <naqra2FotndU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21224 |
T wrote: > I got a wild one from a customer a few days ago. But, there's not an 'answer' to the 'puzzle' in there; just a solution. That leaves out part of the fun :-) Where is Paul? -- Mike Easter
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 16:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1129g3j$3ooro$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21228 |
On 7/3/26 3:27 PM, Mike Easter wrote: > T wrote: >> I got a wild one from a customer a few days ago. > > But, there's not an 'answer' to the 'puzzle' in there; just a solution. > That leaves out part of the fun :-) > > Where is Paul? Paul forgets sometimes that he knows all and see all. Hmmmm If he does not know, I will have to be deeply disappointed. :-)
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-03 16:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <naqvgrFp32qU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21230 |
T wrote: > Paul forgets sometimes that he knows all > and see all. Hmmmm > > If he does not know, I will have to be deeply > disappointed. Well, of course, it would be hard or impossible for him to tinker with some system that is virtually 'hypothetical'. But sometimes he is curious enough to try to imaginate it. -- Mike Easter
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 01:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <112a4pp$3tifa$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21231 |
On Fri, 7/3/2026 7:39 PM, Mike Easter wrote: > T wrote: >> Paul forgets sometimes that he knows all >> and see all. Hmmmm >> >> If he does not know, I will have to be deeply >> disappointed. > > Well, of course, it would be hard or impossible for him to tinker with some system that is virtually 'hypothetical'. > > But sometimes he is curious enough to try to imaginate it. > I was busy today. Canada has had some wild weather, and I have to remove stuff from the basement, after a flood. That's my new hobby. Today, I got the last carpet out from down there. ******* As to the symptoms, any Mozilla product that operates multiple processes (Son of Quantum), has the possibility of detecting a comms issue with a child process, and then forking another. But that's a managed process, and it does not have the likelihood of becoming an issue. An example is the movie player process in Firefox, where if it ingests a "Badly made" video, the process can croak and another one is immediately started. Normally, such processes have reasonably clear communications. Part of the sequence, is if you lose contact with a child and your assumption is that the child is dead, you should "kill" the child and make sure of it. A parent process on a multi-process, has a need to "manage" the children, keep track of whether harvesting failed, there is a Zombie and so on. However, if we consider Firefox as an example, you will notice as the tab count goes up, so does the Firefox process count. In the case of tabs, there is a justification for forking more "helpers". It's not a movie player process that has eaten a bad movie and "croaked". Now, let's return to the "T" customer. Thunderbird has HTML mail, and it is supposed to support some kind of subset of activities. It's not allowed to support all possible HTML/JS. What dramatic possibilities are allowed there ? Pop ups are normally blocked, but maybe these weren't pop ups ? Cross site scripting probably isn't allowed (as at one time, that's how you could attack a machine, open 200 windows and tip over a machine). We try not to allow such things to happen in 2026. Maybe the last email the customer received, had the specially formulated attack in it. You would need a means of examining the mail box contents and the "level of sophistication" of an email. I don't know if AV scanners have good tools for recognizing things like that. Thunderbird should have means in it, to reduce the ability to run amok like that. And sensing how much RAM is left on the machine, should be part of good management of "runaway" behavior. Given the state of world events, the Anthropic Mythos? and Fable? have been released again. And these are the kinds of tools Black Hats will be using to find holes in software. Having something like this could be "happenstance", a perfectly legit email triggering it. But it's more likely something at least a bit nefarious is involved. Note that the Mozilla tools now have telemetry, and the telemetry activates at shutdown, and allows some amount of "weird behavior" to be sent to Mozilla. But that does not say that the more interesting cases, will be sent off in the form of a report. You can use Wireshark, to record what packets are sent at shutdown, just so you can see the addresses that is sent to. There are reports for normal sessions, and those would go to a different queue than crash reporting (handled by something else). I've probably had my copy of Thunderbird crash at least once here, and that is a USENET-only instance, so the complexities of email/HTML/JS is not there. Paul
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 13:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nas7uoFra9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21238 |
On 2026-07-04 07:13, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 7/3/2026 7:39 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>> Paul forgets sometimes that he knows all
>>> and see all. Hmmmm
...
> Note that the Mozilla tools now have telemetry, and the telemetry
> activates at shutdown, and allows some amount of "weird behavior"
> to be sent to Mozilla. But that does not say that the more interesting
> cases, will be sent off in the form of a report. You can use Wireshark,
> to record what packets are sent at shutdown, just so you can see
> the addresses that is sent to. There are reports for normal sessions,
> and those would go to a different queue than crash reporting (handled
> by something else). I've probably had my copy of Thunderbird crash
> at least once here, and that is a USENET-only instance, so the
> complexities of email/HTML/JS is not there.
I have the vague recollection that you can see your own "reports" somewhere.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 10:40 -0700 |
| Subject | OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112bgj2$at2u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21238 |
On 7/3/26 22:13, Paul wrote:
> I was busy today.
>
> Canada has had some wild weather, and I have to remove stuff
> from the basement, after a flood. That's my new hobby. Today,
> I got the last carpet out from down there.
A few days ago I bought some tomatoes at Aldi that came from Canada.
Most of our fruit/veg in Kalifornia comes from south of the border.
I assume they were grown in some sort of hothouse since the plants seem
to like it hot. Do you or your friends grow tomatoes outside?
--
Cheers, Bev
"Once you've provoked a few people into publicly swearing they are
going to hunt you down and kill you, the thrill wears off."
-Elric of Imrryr
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 19:34 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112c59k$kklt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21246 |
On Sat, 7/4/2026 1:40 PM, The Real Bev wrote: > On 7/3/26 22:13, Paul wrote: > >> I was busy today. >> >> Canada has had some wild weather, and I have to remove stuff >> from the basement, after a flood. That's my new hobby. Today, >> I got the last carpet out from down there. > > A few days ago I bought some tomatoes at Aldi that came from Canada. Most of our fruit/veg in Kalifornia comes from south of the border. > I assume they were grown in some sort of hothouse since the plants seem to like it hot. Do you or your friends grow tomatoes outside? > Someone even attempted to grow pineapple here. Growing tomato does not require a hothouse. We used to grow them at home. We also grew grapes and rhubarb in the back yard. And the situation back then would not be described as "hot". I don't think a tomato plant would last too long, in a heat wave. You have to take care of your tomatoes. I've seen too many parched ones, to hold out hope for people who "plant and come back four months later expecting product". You can't do that :-) Cedar likes heat-days. Corn likes heat-days. A lot of other succulent plants are not happy in brutal conditions. If you go to the gardening store, most of the product there are labeled according to "zone" and then the details of how they like to spend the day. For example, when you plant grass seed here, there are three varieties of seed. One seed is good in shaded areas. One of the seeds is good in drought. And a lot of the grass you plant then, is the drought-resistant one which stays alive. It's so predictable, we count on several weeks of grass mowing. An extended season where the grass stops growing (I never water the lawn, only trees) follows. And then Oct/Nov the grass may attempt to grow a bit. If you dump fertilizer on that lawn, there's no question you can make it grow, but it's not really all that happy. So we have that tried and true recipe for grass seed in this zone. So what does the hardware store go and do. They buy a mono-culture of something that doesn't grow here. I planted some of that, to cover some "tire tracks", yes, it grew, it grew faster than the regular lawn. Then when winter came, all that grass... "died". Nothing sprouted in spring. And that's what happens when a buyer for a company, tries to cheap out and buy what is more or less "weed seed". Instead of a proper grass mix. You can only get decent grass seed, at the garden store. Paul
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| From | Nobody <jock@soccer.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 17:15 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <at6j4llh1ehsm27jhjog4bs6tks3f1plbe@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21259 |
On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:34:12 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 7/4/2026 1:40 PM, The Real Bev wrote: >> On 7/3/26 22:13, Paul wrote: >> >>> I was busy today. >>> >>> Canada has had some wild weather, and I have to remove stuff >>> from the basement, after a flood. That's my new hobby. Today, >>> I got the last carpet out from down there. >> >> A few days ago I bought some tomatoes at Aldi that came from Canada. Most of our fruit/veg in Kalifornia comes from south of the border. >> I assume they were grown in some sort of hothouse since the plants seem to like it hot. Do you or your friends grow tomatoes outside? >> > >Someone even attempted to grow pineapple here. Totally OT... but a Portuguese-Canajan grew/sold bananas in Osoyoos, BC. The family fruit-growing/selling concern still exists beside BC's Crowsnest Hwy 3, sometimes referred to as the Southern Trans-Canada. [As extra-reference for understanding, Osoyoos in the south Okanagan is where the only tentacle of defined desert extends into BC/Canada. But winter temps still tend on the nippy side.] <https://infotel.ca/inwine/bananas-once-grew-in-the-okanagan-thanks-to-one-industrious-farmer/it64913 Msg to Ammuricans: crossing the 49th doesn't demarcate a sudden transformation into a freezer.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 14:11 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <nav000Fdqp4U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21260 |
On 2026-07-05 02:15, Nobody wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:34:12 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7/4/2026 1:40 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 7/3/26 22:13, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was busy today.
>>>>
>>>> Canada has had some wild weather, and I have to remove stuff
>>>> from the basement, after a flood. That's my new hobby. Today,
>>>> I got the last carpet out from down there.
>>>
>>> A few days ago I bought some tomatoes at Aldi that came from Canada. Most of our fruit/veg in Kalifornia comes from south of the border.
>>> I assume they were grown in some sort of hothouse since the plants seem to like it hot. Do you or your friends grow tomatoes outside?
>>>
>>
>> Someone even attempted to grow pineapple here.
>
> Totally OT... but a Portuguese-Canajan grew/sold bananas in Osoyoos,
> BC. The family fruit-growing/selling concern still exists beside BC's
> Crowsnest Hwy 3, sometimes referred to as the Southern Trans-Canada.
>
> [As extra-reference for understanding, Osoyoos in the south Okanagan
> is where the only tentacle of defined desert extends into BC/Canada.
> But winter temps still tend on the nippy side.]
>
> <https://infotel.ca/inwine/bananas-once-grew-in-the-okanagan-thanks-to-one-industrious-farmer/it64913
>
> Msg to Ammuricans: crossing the 49th doesn't demarcate a sudden
> transformation into a freezer.
LOL. I heard something like that when living in Ottawa.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 14:38 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112dmp6$13k0c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21264 |
On 2026/7/5 13:11:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-07-05 02:15, Nobody wrote: >> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:34:12 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: [] >> Totally OT... but a Portuguese-Canajan grew/sold bananas in Osoyoos, [] >> Msg to Ammuricans: crossing the 49th doesn't demarcate a sudden >> transformation into a freezer. > > LOL. I heard something like that when living in Ottawa. > Still OT: note that bits of Canada are on the same Latitude as Rome. It's not all snow! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 18:35 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112f0ok$1jc0j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21265 |
On 7/5/26 6:38 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/7/5 13:11:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-07-05 02:15, Nobody wrote: >>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:34:12 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > [] >>> Totally OT... but a Portuguese-Canajan grew/sold bananas in Osoyoos, > [] >>> Msg to Ammuricans: crossing the 49th doesn't demarcate a sudden >>> transformation into a freezer. >> >> LOL. I heard something like that when living in Ottawa. >> > Still OT: note that bits of Canada are on the same Latitude as Rome. > It's not all snow! I thought all Canadians lives next to glaciers ????
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 04:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112fo3s$1pg3c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21278 |
On Sun, 7/5/2026 9:35 PM, T wrote: > On 7/5/26 6:38 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2026/7/5 13:11:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-07-05 02:15, Nobody wrote: >>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:34:12 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >> [] >>>> Totally OT... but a Portuguese-Canajan grew/sold bananas in Osoyoos, >> [] >>>> Msg to Ammuricans: crossing the 49th doesn't demarcate a sudden >>>> transformation into a freezer. >>> >>> LOL. I heard something like that when living in Ottawa. >>> >> Still OT: note that bits of Canada are on the same Latitude as Rome. >> It's not all snow! > > I thought all Canadians lives next to glaciers ???? The country spans multiple climate zones. And, it has hazards. Living next to a glacier, is one of them. It's not entirely safe. A glacial lake burst its banks recently. "Water and debris" entered a local waterway, from the bulk release. Who knew ? Well, I don't know if this is satellite-monitored, but there was a warning some time before it happened, that the "lake was full again" and the lake was ready to make trouble. So apparently, there are some cabins in the danger zone. I mean, you could not pick a better spot. Think of the view... and the water skiing opportunities. Paul
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 13:11 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112h259$2bgih$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21284 |
On 7/6/26 1:13 AM, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 7/5/2026 9:35 PM, T wrote: >> On 7/5/26 6:38 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2026/7/5 13:11:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-07-05 02:15, Nobody wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:34:12 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >>> [] >>>>> Totally OT... but a Portuguese-Canajan grew/sold bananas in Osoyoos, >>> [] >>>>> Msg to Ammuricans: crossing the 49th doesn't demarcate a sudden >>>>> transformation into a freezer. >>>> >>>> LOL. I heard something like that when living in Ottawa. >>>> >>> Still OT: note that bits of Canada are on the same Latitude as Rome. >>> It's not all snow! >> >> I thought all Canadians lives next to glaciers ???? > > The country spans multiple climate zones. > > And, it has hazards. > > Living next to a glacier, is one of them. It's not entirely safe. > A glacial lake burst its banks recently. "Water and debris" entered > a local waterway, from the bulk release. Who knew ? Well, I don't know > if this is satellite-monitored, but there was a warning some time > before it happened, that the "lake was full again" and the lake > was ready to make trouble. So apparently, there are some cabins > in the danger zone. I mean, you could not pick a better spot. > Think of the view... and the water skiing opportunities. > > Paul Floods from broken ice dams can be a total disaster. Pretty blue water though. It is my recollection that our esteemed neighbor to the north has five distinct climate zones: 1) cold 2) colder yet 3) really cold 4) arctic 5) DAMN!
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 04:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112icsa$2nanv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21303 |
On Mon, 7/6/2026 4:11 PM, T wrote:
> Floods from broken ice dams can be a total disaster.
> Pretty blue water though.
>
> It is my recollection that our esteemed neighbor to the
> north has five distinct climate zones:
>
> 1) cold
> 2) colder yet
> 3) really cold
> 4) arctic
> 5) DAMN!
This may be true, but the temperature distribution
is not monotonically-falling as you go North. The pattern
"doesn't make sense". When my sister has a -40C day,
it can be warmer in the arctic, and she is well below the arctic circle.
I think my sisters place, it starts to snow around end of September.
The growing season is short, but you can still grow stuff outside.
Her weather can be +1C on one day ("Chinook") and -40C the next.
There can be a larger variation than in the arctic circle.
But places like the Yukon can still set a good cold for you, like
-60C last winter for a stretch. The pictures they take up there,
their external thermometer cannot read any lower than that.
And in the Arctic now, they can be wearing short sleeve shirts
this week. They can take a boat out to their "fishing camp" (ice free),
they can fish and set up drying racks for dried fish. Make no
mistake, the water is cold and you don't want to fall out of the boat.
Because the North is known for food-insecurity (food is more expensive
there), you can't afford to get all your food from the "General Store".
The Arctic has had more temperature shift and change than
other areas due to climate change. In the summer, they would
have been wearing long sleeved shirts and staying out of the wind :-)
On our East Coast, it can be like that too. It's strange what I'd
pack for a trip there. Sure, it can be blazing hot there, but
there can also be days where all exposed skin is covered too.
Even perception of temperature is weird. I went out to Cali on business,
and on weekend, I decided to go to the beach. I was wearing shorts and
Tshirt. Well, people there, are riding horses along the beach, they're
wearing jeans and heavier clothing up top. And I'm thinking "you must
be boiling in that outfit", for as an East Coaster, the day was plenty
warm and no complaint.
On the East Coast, if you travel through the woods (on the way to your
secret fishing spot), you can still find the odd snow drift still
hasn't melted (in June!). It takes a pretty big drift to last that
long, and the woods in that case are "heavy". It may have started
as a ten foot drift, and there were still a few feet of it left.
I had to get on hands and knees and use a rabbit trail, to get
through one section near there. To fish there, departure time is 3AM.
That's when you're climbing into the car, to head out. That's so
you can fish at dawn or thereabouts. That's "technical" fishing,
as only the "quiet people" get a fish, for lunch (trout). You can't
fill your boots with fish, on a trip there. You need a lake to
fill your boots.
If you live in Newfoundland, snow can cover one or both doors on
your house. If you buy or build a house, make sure the second floor
window opens big enough so you can jump out :-) Then you have to
shovel your way back through the drift, to get back into the house.
For anyone who jumps into snow like that (I've done this a few times),
you have to be careful where you're jumping. You have to know
where the hard pack is, where the soft snow is. You can't just
jump any old place, or you'll hurt yourself. I've done a lot of
tunneling in snow, never had a collapse or come near suffocation.
I'm pretty proud of my safety record in snow :-)
So that's a quick trip around the country. There were no snow drifts
in BC, in the place that got the 47C heat dome. I consider that to
be one "anomalous" temperature record. That's just not normal.
Paul
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 02:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112ig2i$2o75a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21312 |
On 7/7/26 1:20 AM, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 7/6/2026 4:11 PM, T wrote:
>
>> Floods from broken ice dams can be a total disaster.
>> Pretty blue water though.
>>
>> It is my recollection that our esteemed neighbor to the
>> north has five distinct climate zones:
>>
>> 1) cold
>> 2) colder yet
>> 3) really cold
>> 4) arctic
>> 5) DAMN!
>
> This may be true, but the temperature distribution
> is not monotonically-falling as you go North. The pattern
> "doesn't make sense". When my sister has a -40C day,
> it can be warmer in the arctic, and she is well below the arctic circle.
>
> I think my sisters place, it starts to snow around end of September.
> The growing season is short, but you can still grow stuff outside.
>
> Her weather can be +1C on one day ("Chinook") and -40C the next.
> There can be a larger variation than in the arctic circle.
>
> But places like the Yukon can still set a good cold for you, like
> -60C last winter for a stretch. The pictures they take up there,
> their external thermometer cannot read any lower than that.
>
> And in the Arctic now, they can be wearing short sleeve shirts
> this week. They can take a boat out to their "fishing camp" (ice free),
> they can fish and set up drying racks for dried fish. Make no
> mistake, the water is cold and you don't want to fall out of the boat.
> Because the North is known for food-insecurity (food is more expensive
> there), you can't afford to get all your food from the "General Store".
>
> The Arctic has had more temperature shift and change than
> other areas due to climate change. In the summer, they would
> have been wearing long sleeved shirts and staying out of the wind :-)
> On our East Coast, it can be like that too. It's strange what I'd
> pack for a trip there. Sure, it can be blazing hot there, but
> there can also be days where all exposed skin is covered too.
>
> Even perception of temperature is weird. I went out to Cali on business,
> and on weekend, I decided to go to the beach. I was wearing shorts and
> Tshirt. Well, people there, are riding horses along the beach, they're
> wearing jeans and heavier clothing up top. And I'm thinking "you must
> be boiling in that outfit", for as an East Coaster, the day was plenty
> warm and no complaint.
>
> On the East Coast, if you travel through the woods (on the way to your
> secret fishing spot), you can still find the odd snow drift still
> hasn't melted (in June!). It takes a pretty big drift to last that
> long, and the woods in that case are "heavy". It may have started
> as a ten foot drift, and there were still a few feet of it left.
> I had to get on hands and knees and use a rabbit trail, to get
> through one section near there. To fish there, departure time is 3AM.
> That's when you're climbing into the car, to head out. That's so
> you can fish at dawn or thereabouts. That's "technical" fishing,
> as only the "quiet people" get a fish, for lunch (trout). You can't
> fill your boots with fish, on a trip there. You need a lake to
> fill your boots.
>
> If you live in Newfoundland, snow can cover one or both doors on
> your house. If you buy or build a house, make sure the second floor
> window opens big enough so you can jump out :-) Then you have to
> shovel your way back through the drift, to get back into the house.
> For anyone who jumps into snow like that (I've done this a few times),
> you have to be careful where you're jumping. You have to know
> where the hard pack is, where the soft snow is. You can't just
> jump any old place, or you'll hurt yourself. I've done a lot of
> tunneling in snow, never had a collapse or come near suffocation.
> I'm pretty proud of my safety record in snow :-)
>
> So that's a quick trip around the country. There were no snow drifts
> in BC, in the place that got the 47C heat dome. I consider that to
> be one "anomalous" temperature record. That's just not normal.
>
> Paul
You do realize I was pulling your leg?
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 06:27 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112ika0$2pf68$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21313 |
On Tue, 7/7/2026 5:14 AM, T wrote: > > You do realize I was pulling your leg? Just a bit.
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 23:12 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112ne3l$65vu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21315 |
On 7/7/26 3:27 AM, Paul wrote: > On Tue, 7/7/2026 5:14 AM, T wrote: > >> >> You do realize I was pulling your leg? > > Just a bit. How do you tell a Canadian from an American, other than out sterling good looks and our great sense of humor? Ask them to pronounce the word "about". US: uh-b-out CA: uh-boot (like the shoe) :-) Two questions for our esteemed neighbor from the great white north: 1) is the fishing as great as we are told? We yanks are wide eyes at the monster sized trout and arctic chars we see. Those chars look really good eating too! 2) we keep hearing that some of your western providence want to succeed from your confederation. Is this true? Something about wanting a free trade zone between the US and them. And if true and they actually join us, do we have to teach them how to pronounce "about" properly?
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