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Re: Fixed a wild one!

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.comp.software.thunderbird
Subject Re: Fixed a wild one!
Date 2026-07-04 01:13 -0400
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On Fri, 7/3/2026 7:39 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> T wrote:
>> Paul forgets sometimes that he knows all
>> and see all.  Hmmmm
>>
>> If he does not know, I will have to be deeply
>> disappointed.
> 
> Well, of course, it would be hard or impossible for him to tinker with some system that is virtually 'hypothetical'.
> 
> But sometimes he is curious enough to try to imaginate it.
> 

I was busy today.

Canada has had some wild weather, and I have to remove stuff
from the basement, after a flood. That's my new hobby. Today,
I got the last carpet out from down there.

*******

As to the symptoms, any Mozilla product that operates multiple
processes (Son of Quantum), has the possibility of detecting
a comms issue with a child process, and then forking another.
But that's a managed process, and it does not have the
likelihood of becoming an issue. An example is the movie player
process in Firefox, where if it ingests a "Badly made" video,
the process can croak and another one is immediately started.

Normally, such processes have reasonably clear communications.

Part of the sequence, is if you lose contact with a child and
your assumption is that the child is dead, you should "kill"
the child and make sure of it. A parent process on a multi-process,
has a need to "manage" the children, keep track of whether
harvesting failed, there is a Zombie and so on.

However, if we consider Firefox as an example, you will notice
as the tab count goes up, so does the Firefox process count.
In the case of tabs, there is a justification for forking
more "helpers". It's not a movie player process that has
eaten a bad movie and "croaked".

Now, let's return to the "T" customer. Thunderbird has HTML mail,
and it is supposed to support some kind of subset of activities.
It's not allowed to support all possible HTML/JS. What
dramatic possibilities are allowed there ? Pop ups are normally
blocked, but maybe these weren't pop ups ? Cross site scripting
probably isn't allowed (as at one time, that's how you could
attack a machine, open 200 windows and tip over a machine).
We try not to allow such things to happen in 2026.

Maybe the last email the customer received, had the specially
formulated attack in it. You would need a means of examining
the mail box contents and the "level of sophistication" of
an email. I don't know if AV scanners have good tools for
recognizing things like that. Thunderbird should have means
in it, to reduce the ability to run amok like that. And sensing
how much RAM is left on the machine, should be part of
good management of "runaway" behavior.

Given the state of world events, the Anthropic Mythos? and Fable?
have been released again. And these are the kinds of tools
Black Hats will be using to find holes in software. Having something
like this could be "happenstance", a perfectly legit email triggering
it. But it's more likely something at least a bit nefarious is involved.

Note that the Mozilla tools now have telemetry, and the telemetry
activates at shutdown, and allows some amount of "weird behavior"
to be sent to Mozilla. But that does not say that the more interesting
cases, will be sent off in the form of a report. You can use Wireshark,
to record what packets are sent at shutdown, just so you can see
the addresses that is sent to. There are reports for normal sessions,
and those would go to a different queue than crash reporting (handled
by something else). I've probably had my copy of Thunderbird crash
at least once here, and that is a USENET-only instance, so the
complexities of email/HTML/JS is not there.

   Paul

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Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 13:13 -0700
  Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 13:31 -0700
    Re: Fixed a wild one! "Th"?? Court in progress?? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 19:07 +0800
  Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:27 -0700
    Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:20 -0700
      Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:39 -0700
        Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 01:13 -0400
          Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-04 13:09 +0200
          OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 10:40 -0700
            Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 19:34 -0400
              Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-04 17:15 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 14:11 +0200
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:38 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:35 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-06 04:13 -0400
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:11 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 04:20 -0400
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 02:14 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 06:27 -0400
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:12 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-09 07:35 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 00:42 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 17:00 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-09 17:34 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 15:58 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2026-07-10 10:32 -0500
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-10 21:57 +0200
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 13:28 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 17:24 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:42 +0200
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-11 11:02 +0000
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-11 20:58 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:38 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:02 +0200
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 06:51 -0700
                Re: OT ... leg muscle memory? kicks? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 18:50 +0800
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-07 21:31 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-07 15:29 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:15 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 01:00 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 18:00 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-07-10 08:05 +0100
                OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 16:24 +0100
                Re: OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2026-07-10 21:29 +0100
                Re: OT: Britain T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 19:07 -0700
                Re: OT: Britain "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-11 21:10 +0100
                Re: OT: Britain T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:44 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 18:19 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 18:06 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 20:02 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-09 00:06 -0400
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:15 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 00:45 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 20:17 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-06 04:33 -0400
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 11:37 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-06 11:48 -0700
              Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 10:15 -0700
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 18:26 +0100
                Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:53 -0400
          Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 10:40 -0700
            Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-04 18:38 +0000
              Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 13:22 -0700
                Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-04 20:52 +0000
                Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 15:28 -0700
          Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-04 23:19 +0100
  Re: Fixed a wild one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 19:05 +0800
    Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:38 -0700
      Re: Fixed a wild one! Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-06 20:50 +1000
        Re: What is "Th"? "Tb"? Rare-earth elements? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 20:26 +0800
      Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 20:42 +0800
        Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:13 -0700
          Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 14:00 +0800
          Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 14:01 +0800
            Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 00:01 -0700
              Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 17:22 +0800
                Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 12:23 -0700
                Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 08:10 +0800
                Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:46 -0700
                Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-09 16:22 +0800
                Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 02:14 -0700
      KAMEN RIDER MY-TH | Official Teaser - YouTube "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 21:38 +0800
  Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:57 +0800
    Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 19:50 -0700
      Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 20:16 -0700

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