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  New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 07:30 -0700
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-14 16:48 +0100
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-14 16:53 +0100
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-05-15 00:04 +0000
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-15 12:27 +0100
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 10:32 -0700
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-05-14 18:01 -0700
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-15 10:53 +0100
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-15 12:35 +0100
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-16 07:46 +0100
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-15 06:22 -0400
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-15 14:01 -0700
            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-05-16 11:44 +0100
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-14 13:52 -0500
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 13:26 -0700
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-14 23:53 -0500
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-15 00:11 -0500
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-15 09:37 -0400
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Jack Lemmon <Jack.Lemmon@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-15 22:54 +0100
            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-15 18:31 -0700
    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 21:50 +0200
      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 13:14 -0700
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 22:32 +0200
        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:46 +0100
          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:59 -0700
            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-15 00:02 -0500
              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 23:21 -0700
                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-15 03:18 -0500
                  Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-15 14:23 -0700
                    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 08:10 -0500
                      Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-16 09:08 -0700
                        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-05-16 10:07 -0700
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-16 10:45 -0700
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-05-16 11:31 -0700
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:12 -0700
                        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 13:47 -0500
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-17 06:13 -0500
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:22 -0700
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:10 -0700
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 08:22 -0700
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 18:55 +0200
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-18 18:04 +0100
                                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 12:10 -0700
                        Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-17 11:30 +0200
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-17 06:28 -0500
                            Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:31 -0700
                              Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 11:51 +0200
                                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 08:05 -0700
                                  Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-18 18:57 +0200
                                  Re: New authorization required for only ONE account Operation Sindoor <operation.sindoor@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-18 22:36 +0000
                                    Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-18 20:31 -0700
                          Re: New authorization required for only ONE account The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 22:18 -0700
                Re: New authorization required for only ONE account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-15 13:01 +0200

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#16648 — New authorization required for only ONE account

TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.

This is the notice:
https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh


-- 
Cheers, Bev
     Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway.

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#16651

The Real Bev wrote:

> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
> 
> This is the notice:
> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
As I understand it, an oAuth2 client has to give an ID that says what 
software it is, sounds like google have cancelled the ID that older 
thunderbird versions use?

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#16652

On 14/05/2025 at 15:30, The Real Bev wrote:
> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
> 
> This is the notice:
> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
> 
> 

I use TB52 which doesn't have OAuth2.
I don't know if it will help but try enabling an app password in gmail 
(web) and using that in TBird.


-- 
Chris Elvidge, England
I DO NOT HAVE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY

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#16661

On 2025-05-14, Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> wrote:
> On 14/05/2025 at 15:30, The Real Bev wrote:
>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>> 
>> This is the notice:
>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
>> 
>> 
>
> I use TB52 which doesn't have OAuth2.
> I don't know if it will help but try enabling an app password in gmail 
> (web) and using that in TBird.
>
If one goes to https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/oauth2

There is diagrams and text of how oauth2 works. Which has also been
explained by a poster in this thread.

If your Thunderbird does not have oauth2 how can the exchange happen?

Thunderbird is now up to version 138. If I was you I would update
Thunderbird before trying ti fix the oAuth2 issuse. 

Google might be tightening the security side up and you have fallen foul.

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#16673

On 15/05/2025 at 01:04, Gordon wrote:
> On 2025-05-14, Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> wrote:
>> On 14/05/2025 at 15:30, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped
>>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization
>>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail
>>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and
>>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to
>>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no
>>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>>>
>>> This is the notice:
>>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I use TB52 which doesn't have OAuth2.
>> I don't know if it will help but try enabling an app password in gmail
>> (web) and using that in TBird.
>>
> If one goes to https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/oauth2
> 
> There is diagrams and text of how oauth2 works. Which has also been
> explained by a poster in this thread.
> 
> If your Thunderbird does not have oauth2 how can the exchange happen?
> 
> Thunderbird is now up to version 138. If I was you I would update
> Thunderbird before trying ti fix the oAuth2 issuse.
> 
> Google might be tightening the security side up and you have fallen foul.
> 

I still use 52 for the same reason the OP uses 68 - some add-ons are not 
available for later versions.
I use fetchmail (no OAuth2, and never will be according to maintainers) 
to download from Gmail using the app password method.
Works for me.
I do also have Betterbird 128 for outlook.com which has no workaround 
for OAuth2.


-- 
Chris Elvidge, England
I WILL NOT HANG DONUTS ON MY PERSON

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#16653

On 5/14/25 7:30 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped
> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization
> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail
> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and
> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to
> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no
> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
> 
> This is the notice:
> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh

Addendum:  TB 68, not 38.  Shameful typo.  I booted into a complete 
backup from a month ago with no problem at all -- Same TB downloaded 
today's mail.  So something is clearly wrong with SOME part of my 
current profile.

I am reluctant to copy the entire 20GB profile over, although that's 
what I do when I install a new version of firefox (I keep the old 
installation subdirectories and profiles untouched).  I have mail going 
back to 1995 and am paranoid about losing anything.

What files do I NEED to copy over in order to once again log in to 
whatever I could log in to last week?

-- 
Cheers, Bev

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#16662

On Wed, 14 May 2025 10:32:01 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/14/25 7:30 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped
>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization
>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail
>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and
>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to
>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no
>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>> 
>> This is the notice:
>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
>
>Addendum:  TB 68, not 38. 

Why, why, why do 'we' tie ourselves in knots to solve problems for
users with ancient versions?

So... they don't "look right, screw things up..."

Surprisingly, a constantly-updated version still looks the same for
me, with a variety of tweaks and twinges.

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#16670

Nobody wrote:

> Why, why, why do 'we' tie ourselves in knots to solve problems for
> users with ancient versions?

I must admit, I don't get the "stay on old versions" mentalit ...

yes I've had to find newer/different add-ons when old ones stopped working

yes i've had to learn how to turn off new features I dislike

yes I've had to perform a couple of css tweaks to make it look how like 
it (generally harking back to how  it looked before)

The point for me, is that all the above are possible with TB.

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#16674

On 15/05/2025 at 10:53, Andy Burns wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
> 
>> Why, why, why do 'we' tie ourselves in knots to solve problems for
>> users with ancient versions?

To Nobody,
Don't tie yourself in knots trying to solve problems for older versions, 
just ignore those posts.

> I must admit, I don't get the "stay on old versions" mentalit ...
> 
> yes I've had to find newer/different add-ons when old ones stopped working
> 
> yes i've had to learn how to turn off new features I dislike
> 
> yes I've had to perform a couple of css tweaks to make it look how like 
> it (generally harking back to how  it looked before)
> 
> The point for me, is that all the above are possible with TB.
> 

And those are all the reasons not to "upgrade" to later versions. What 
I've got works (for me). Why should I have to jump through hoops to make 
the new version work like the old (my current) version just because some 
developer thinks he knows better than me how my (yes,my) computer and 
software should work?


-- 
Chris Elvidge, England
I WILL NOT HANG DONUTS ON MY PERSON

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#16680

[I assume this was intended for the group?]

The Real Bev wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> yes I've had to find newer/different add-ons when old ones stopped 
>> working
>>
>> yes i've had to learn how to turn off new features I dislike
>>
>> yes I've had to perform a couple of css tweaks to make it look how like
>> it (generally harking back to how  it looked before)
>>
>> The point for me, is that all the above are possible with TB.
> 
> It would be pretty to think so.  Perhaps you can enlighten me about 
> being able, with only two clicks, to look at ONLY the messages arriving 
> today, within 2 days, within a week, within two months, within two 
> years, or within any other time period wanted by the user.
I always have the quick filter bar visible

So I create customised views such as
past day = age < 1
past 5 days = age < 5
unread or starred = match any (status != read) or (status = starred)

personally I don't extend it to
past year = age < 365
past month = age < 31

but I could.

all those rules are three clicks away, if I was that bothered about 
number of clicks, I could create sub folders of a group with 'n' days of 
messages in them.

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#16671

On Wed, 5/14/2025 9:01 PM, Nobody wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2025 10:32:01 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/14/25 7:30 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped
>>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization
>>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail
>>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and
>>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to
>>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no
>>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>>>
>>> This is the notice:
>>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
>>
>> Addendum:  TB 68, not 38. 
> 
> Why, why, why do 'we' tie ourselves in knots to solve problems for
> users with ancient versions?
> 
> So... they don't "look right, screw things up..."
> 
> Surprisingly, a constantly-updated version still looks the same for
> me, with a variety of tweaks and twinges.
> 

The Real Bev is on Slackware.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware

That could be a factor in this-or-that.

I think on Slackware, they walk uphill both going
to school, and coming home :-) That builds character.

  Paul

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#16676

On 5/15/25 03:22, Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 5/14/2025 9:01 PM, Nobody wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 10:32:01 -0700, The Real Bev
>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/14/25 7:30 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped
>>>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization
>>>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail
>>>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and
>>>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to
>>>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no
>>>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>>>>
>>>> This is the notice:
>>>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
>>>
>>> Addendum:  TB 68, not 38. 
>> 
>> Why, why, why do 'we' tie ourselves in knots to solve problems for
>> users with ancient versions?
>> 
>> So... they don't "look right, screw things up..."
>> 
>> Surprisingly, a constantly-updated version still looks the same for
>> me, with a variety of tweaks and twinges.
>> 
> 
> The Real Bev is on Slackware.
> 
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware
> 
> That could be a factor in this-or-that.
> 
> I think on Slackware, they walk uphill both going
> to school, and coming home :-) That builds character.

As you say :-)  It gets worse, though.  Slack 14.2.

I can't just update my current installation to 15 without losing 
everything I've tweaked for 30 years, most of which is long forgotten. 
WTF was it we did to make google earth actually work?  Damn, I wish I'd 
kept notes but it seemed so obvious at the time... And where did I get 
that version of Picasa that I have to run with that windows emulator 
thing whose name I've forgotten...

The rule:  use the distro that your support hubby uses.  Unfortunately, 
he doesn't use his computer the way I use mine :-(

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "What's truly sad is that your vote counts the same as mine."
                                                 -- S. Brown

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#16681

On 15/05/2025 at 22:01, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/15/25 03:22, Paul wrote:
>> On Wed, 5/14/2025 9:01 PM, Nobody wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 10:32:01 -0700, The Real Bev
>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/14/25 7:30 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I 
>>>>> stopped
>>>>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization
>>>>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail
>>>>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT 
>>>>> easy and
>>>>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I 
>>>>> HAVE to
>>>>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox 
>>>>> with no
>>>>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the notice:
>>>>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
>>>>
>>>> Addendum:  TB 68, not 38. 
>>>
>>> Why, why, why do 'we' tie ourselves in knots to solve problems for
>>> users with ancient versions?
>>>
>>> So... they don't "look right, screw things up..."
>>>
>>> Surprisingly, a constantly-updated version still looks the same for
>>> me, with a variety of tweaks and twinges.
>>>
>>
>> The Real Bev is on Slackware.
>>
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware
>>
>> That could be a factor in this-or-that.
>>
>> I think on Slackware, they walk uphill both going
>> to school, and coming home :-) That builds character.
> 
> As you say :-)  It gets worse, though.  Slack 14.2.
> 
> I can't just update my current installation to 15 without losing 
> everything I've tweaked for 30 years, most of which is long forgotten. 
> WTF was it we did to make google earth actually work?  Damn, I wish I'd 
> kept notes but it seemed so obvious at the time... And where did I get 
> that version of Picasa that I have to run with that windows emulator 
> thing whose name I've forgotten...
> 
> The rule:  use the distro that your support hubby uses.  Unfortunately, 
> he doesn't use his computer the way I use mine :-(
> 

When I updated from 14.2 to 15 to Current, I employed the dual-boot 
method. I put in a separate disk for 15/Current and did a full install. 
Then mounted 14.2/home on 15/home/14 and copied relevant stuff over 
(.mozilla for e.g.), or just replaced new directories with old ones.
Lilo + dual boot meant I could always go back to or just see what 
changed from 14.2 - old /etc was still available.


-- 
Chris Elvidge, England
MY SUSPENSION WAS NOT "MUTUAL"

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#16654

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
> 
> This is the notice:
> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh

Have you retried 4+ hours after you've since you posted here?  If so, is
there still a problem?

The error you showed looks to be a problem with the OAUTH2 token stored
in Thunderbird for your Gmail account.  All OAUTH2 tokens expire.  When
the client gets an OAUTH2 token, it also gets a renew token it is
supposed to use with the OAUTH2 server to get new OAUTH2 and renew
tokens.  That should work in the background without the user knowing
about the new token retrieves, but it can fail.

Thunderbird stores the OAUTH2 tokens in its password manager.  When you
first setup an OAUTH2 account in Thunderbird, there will be a point in
the handshaking that has the client use a web interface to the OAUTH2
server to validate you authorize that client to access that account.
When the tokens are erased from Thunderbird's password store, it has to
go through the handshaking again with the OAUTH2 server.  Go into
Thunderbird's password manager, delete the password for the Gmail
account, and when Thunderbird next tries to connect you should see the
save process as when you first added the OAUTH2 account to Thunderbird.

If Thunderbird, after removing the password and having it perform
another mail poll, doesn't initiate the OAUTH2 setup on its next mail
poll or when you manually start one, you have to delete the account to
recreate it, and then go through the initial OAUTH2 process.  That's
okay for IMAP accounts, because what you'll see in the new account will
be the same as was in the old account, because all the messages are
still in the same folders up on the IMAP server.  With POP, you have to
export your local message store for the account before deleting it to
recreate it.

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#16657

On 5/14/25 11:52 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> TB 38 for linux.  I got tired of losing favorite extensions so I stopped 
>> updating.  Suddenly a few days ago I started getting an authorization 
>> error notice every time I try to send or download email.  When gmail 
>> started demanding oauth2 credentials I complied, but it was NOT easy and 
>> I don't remember what I had to do. This is my main account and I HAVE to 
>> get it working again.  I can log in to the website with firefox with no 
>> problem at all.  Any insight will be gratefully accepted.
>> 
>> This is the notice:
>> https://limewire.com/d/72vIn#gftemgBIyh
> 
> Have you retried 4+ hours after you've since you posted here?  If so, is
> there still a problem?
> 
> The error you showed looks to be a problem with the OAUTH2 token stored
> in Thunderbird for your Gmail account.  All OAUTH2 tokens expire.  When
> the client gets an OAUTH2 token, it also gets a renew token it is
> supposed to use with the OAUTH2 server to get new OAUTH2 and renew
> tokens.  That should work in the background without the user knowing
> about the new token retrieves, but it can fail.
> 
> Thunderbird stores the OAUTH2 tokens in its password manager.  When you
> first setup an OAUTH2 account in Thunderbird, there will be a point in
> the handshaking that has the client use a web interface to the OAUTH2
> server to validate you authorize that client to access that account.
> When the tokens are erased from Thunderbird's password store, it has to
> go through the handshaking again with the OAUTH2 server.  Go into
> Thunderbird's password manager, delete the password for the Gmail
> account, and when Thunderbird next tries to connect you should see the
> save process as when you first added the OAUTH2 account to Thunderbird.
> 
> If Thunderbird, after removing the password and having it perform
> another mail poll, doesn't initiate the OAUTH2 setup on its next mail
> poll or when you manually start one, you have to delete the account to
> recreate it, and then go through the initial OAUTH2 process.  That's
> okay for IMAP accounts, because what you'll see in the new account will
> be the same as was in the old account, because all the messages are
> still in the same folders up on the IMAP server.  With POP, you have to
> export your local message store for the account before deleting it to
> recreate it.

Account is POP so I can keep all my email on my machine.  Trying to 
recreate it by flailing in the dark is terrifying.

This account was NOT the first oauth2 thing, so it shouldn't be the 
first to expire, right?  So I assume some sort of accidental corruption. 
  Cosmic ray?

I suspect that the safest thing is to copy the current profile to a new 
one, rename it, and then copy the month-old profile from the other 
partition (same name as current profile) to the /root/.thunderbird 
subdirectory.  What's wrong with this?


-- 
Cheers, Bev
   Real life doesn't always provide spoiler alerts and there's a
   limit to how much sensitivity one is allowed to inflict on others.

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#16665

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> This account was NOT the first oauth2 thing, so it shouldn't be the 
> first to expire, right?  So I assume some sort of accidental corruption. 
>   Cosmic ray?

You nor your client get to set the expiration on an OAUTH2 token
received from an OAUTH2 server.  You could get one OAUTH2 token on day
1, and another for a different account 10 days later, but the later one
expires first.

> I suspect that the safest thing is to copy the current profile to a new 
> one, rename it, and then copy the month-old profile from the other 
> partition (same name as current profile) to the /root/.thunderbird 
> subdirectory.  What's wrong with this?

Nothing I can see, except if it is an expired OAUTH2 token then you'll
soon get the same OAUTH2 error.

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#16667

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> I suspect that the safest thing is to copy the current profile to a new 
> one, rename it, and then copy the month-old profile from the other 
> partition (same name as current profile) to the /root/.thunderbird 
> subdirectory.  What's wrong with this?

By the way, TBird 38 released June 2015 was the first to add OAUTH2.
That doesn't mean they did it 100% correct when first introduced.

Do you use anti-virus/anti-malware software, or anything that
interrogates your e-mail traffic?

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#16675

On Thu, 5/15/2025 1:11 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I suspect that the safest thing is to copy the current profile to a new 
>> one, rename it, and then copy the month-old profile from the other 
>> partition (same name as current profile) to the /root/.thunderbird 
>> subdirectory.  What's wrong with this?
> 
> By the way, TBird 38 released June 2015 was the first to add OAUTH2.
> That doesn't mean they did it 100% correct when first introduced.
> 
> Do you use anti-virus/anti-malware software, or anything that
> interrogates your e-mail traffic?
> 

Normally the Real Bev is on Slackware.

   Paul

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#16678

On 15/05/2025 06:11, VanguardLH wrote:

> 
> Do you use anti-virus/anti-malware software, or anything that
> interrogates your e-mail traffic?

He/She is a Linux user. He/She will tell you Linux is quite safe without 
"anti-virus/anti-malware software". He/She said it explicitly what 
he/she is using in <10029e7$2i3a3$1@dont-email.me>.

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#16679

On 5/15/25 14:54, Jack Lemmon wrote:
> On 15/05/2025 06:11, VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Do you use anti-virus/anti-malware software, or anything that
>> interrogates your e-mail traffic?
> 
> He/She is a Linux user. He/She will tell you Linux is quite safe without
> "anti-virus/anti-malware software". He/She said it explicitly what
> he/she is using in <10029e7$2i3a3$1@dont-email.me>.

What he said :-)

BTW, the other accounds died one by one.  I think it was Vanguard who 
said that Moz doesn't roll out changes all at once, it prolongs the agony.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
   My computer doesn't have to be friendly;
   civil is entirely sufficient.

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