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  Thunderbird ESR version Simon <simon@mydomain.domain> - 2021-05-15 23:59 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird ESR version Leala <no@mail.invalid> - 2021-05-15 19:33 -0400
    Re: Thunderbird ESR version WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> - 2021-05-15 19:44 -0400
      Re: Thunderbird ESR version "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-05-16 14:14 +0300
        Re: Thunderbird ESR version VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-16 12:15 -0500
          Re: Thunderbird ESR version "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-05-16 20:36 +0300
          Re: Thunderbird ESR version dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2021-05-16 19:49 +0200
            Re: Thunderbird ESR version VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-16 13:04 -0500
              Re: Thunderbird ESR version dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2021-05-16 21:00 +0200
                Re: Thunderbird ESR version VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-16 17:02 -0500
                  Re: Thunderbird ESR version dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2021-05-17 04:29 +0200
                    Re: Thunderbird ESR version VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-17 01:11 -0500
                      Re: Thunderbird ESR version dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2021-05-17 15:14 +0200
                    Re: Thunderbird ESR version VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-17 05:11 -0500
    Re: Thunderbird ESR version VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-15 23:52 -0500
      Re: Thunderbird ESR version Martin <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-05-16 17:44 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird ESR version VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-16 12:36 -0500
          Re: Thunderbird ESR version Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2021-05-16 19:01 +0000
            Re: Thunderbird ESR version Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2021-05-16 20:11 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird ESR version "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2021-05-16 22:25 +0300
    Re: Thunderbird ESR version Job Bautista <jobbautista9@aol.com> - 2021-05-17 19:02 +0800
      Re: Thunderbird ESR version W <-nospam-@gmail.com> - 2021-06-02 22:51 -0600

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#503 — Thunderbird ESR version

What is the latest version of Thunderbird ESR and where do I download it from?  This link  https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/> 
is useless because it says the latest version is 17.0.11.

Thank you.

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#506

On 15-May-2021 18:59, Simon wrote:
> 
> What is the latest version of Thunderbird ESR and where do I download it from?  This link  https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/>
> is useless because it says the latest version is 17.0.11.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 


78.10.1

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/

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#507

On 5/15/21 6:59 PM, Simon wrote:
> What is the latest version of Thunderbird ESR and where do I download it from?  This link  https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/>
> is useless because it says the latest version is 17.0.11.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
There is no ESR version.

The ESR and release were combined into the general release and the 
current version is 78.10.1.

<https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/>

You can peruse the release notes for all releases at your leisure.

<https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/>

I would start with the notes for version 24.0 and work my way up to the 
notes for 78.10.1.

There may be a 78.10.2 update next week.

-- 
OS: Fedora 34 Workstation - Gnome 40 Desktop
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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#515

WaltS48 wrote:
> On 5/15/21 6:59 PM, Simon wrote:
>> What is the latest version of Thunderbird ESR and where do I download 
>> it from?  This link  https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/>
>> is useless because it says the latest version is 17.0.11.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
> There is no ESR version.
> 
> The ESR and release were combined into the general release and the 
> current version is 78.10.1.
> 
> <https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/>
> 
> You can peruse the release notes for all releases at your leisure.
> 
> <https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/>
> 
> I would start with the notes for version 24.0 and work my way up to the 
> notes for 78.10.1.
> 
> There may be a 78.10.2 update next week.
> 
Thunderbird 17.0.11esr was the last ESR release.

Security Advisories for Thunderbird ESR
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/thunderbird-esr/

History of Mozilla Thunderbird - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mozilla_Thunderbird

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#522

"Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Thunderbird 17.0.11esr was the last ESR release.

You're claiming there hasn't been a later ESR release in *8 years*?

78.x is the latest available ESR.  Got that from the link I gave in my
other post, and the following confirms it is an ESR:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/78.10.0/releasenotes/

However, a Wikipedia article says 78.11 is the latest ESR:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history#Current_supported_official_releases

The calendar page of my other link was last updated 13 May 2021, and
shows 78.11 as a future release.  The Wikipedia article was last updated
15 May 2021, and shows 78.11 as a current released.  So, I hunted for
release notes on 78.11.  Didn't find it.  Perhaps some authors are
mixing channels (beta, dev, nightly) versus the release channel.  The
OP's inquiry is probably about a released ESR landing.

https://www.wikizero.com/en/Firefox_version_history#Firefox_78.10.1esr

That shows the 78.x ESR versions whre 78.10 ESR was released 04 May 2021
while 78.11 ESR isn't expected to get released status for another 2
weeks on 01 Jun 2021.  

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#523

VanguardLH wrote:
> "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Thunderbird 17.0.11esr was the last ESR release.
> 
> You're claiming there hasn't been a later ESR release in *8 years*?
> 
> 78.x is the latest available ESR.  Got that from the link I gave in my
> other post, and the following confirms it is an ESR:
> 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/78.10.0/releasenotes/
> 
> However, a Wikipedia article says 78.11 is the latest ESR:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history#Current_supported_official_releases
> 
> The calendar page of my other link was last updated 13 May 2021, and
> shows 78.11 as a future release.  The Wikipedia article was last updated
> 15 May 2021, and shows 78.11 as a current released.  So, I hunted for
> release notes on 78.11.  Didn't find it.  Perhaps some authors are
> mixing channels (beta, dev, nightly) versus the release channel.  The
> OP's inquiry is probably about a released ESR landing.
> 
> https://www.wikizero.com/en/Firefox_version_history#Firefox_78.10.1esr
> 
> That shows the 78.x ESR versions whre 78.10 ESR was released 04 May 2021
> while 78.11 ESR isn't expected to get released status for another 2
> weeks on 01 Jun 2021.
> 
Release Schedule
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Home#Releases

"Thunderbird Project version numbers generally match up to Mozilla 
Firefox ESR and beta versions. (Unlike Firefox, Thunderbird releases 
versions between ESRs only as betas, for example 69-77 are betas only) 
Future ESR releases of Thunderbird upcoming are 91, 101, etc."

"Thunderbird does not release on specific scheduled dates, because we 
ship when code is ready and tested. But we roughly track the ESR release 
schedule of Firefox. See the ESR column of RapidRelease/Calendar."

Thunderbird Planning - Topicbox
https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/planning

Thunderbird/Enterprise - MozillaWiki
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Enterprise

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#525

On 5/16/21 7:15 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

> "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Thunderbird 17.0.11esr was the last ESR release.
> 
> You're claiming there hasn't been a later ESR release in *8 years*?
> 
> 78.x is the latest available ESR.  Got that from the link I gave in my
> other post, and the following confirms it is an ESR:
> 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/78.10.0/releasenotes/
> 
> However, a Wikipedia article says 78.11 is the latest ESR:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history#Current_supported_official_releases
> 
> The calendar page of my other link was last updated 13 May 2021, and
> shows 78.11 as a future release.  The Wikipedia article was last updated
> 15 May 2021, and shows 78.11 as a current released.  So, I hunted for
> release notes on 78.11.  Didn't find it.  Perhaps some authors are
> mixing channels (beta, dev, nightly) versus the release channel.  The
> OP's inquiry is probably about a released ESR landing.
> 
> https://www.wikizero.com/en/Firefox_version_history#Firefox_78.10.1esr
> 
> That shows the 78.x ESR versions whre 78.10 ESR was released 04 May 2021
> while 78.11 ESR isn't expected to get released status for another 2
> weeks on 01 Jun 2021.
> 
All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.

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#526

dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:

> All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.

Where does the code for TB come from?  Even Andrei noted the
synchronization between ESR landings of FF to releases of TB.  He noted
some of the statements by Mozilla about the release of TB, as did I in
another subthread.

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#529

On 5/16/21 8:04 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
> 
>> All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.
> 
> Where does the code for TB come from?  Even Andrei noted the
> synchronization between ESR landings of FF to releases of TB.  He noted
> some of the statements by Mozilla about the release of TB, as did I in
> another subthread.
> 
There is no strict syncing between Firefox and Thunderbird versions, 
certainly not in release dates.

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#535

dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>> 
>>> All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.
>> 
>> Where does the code for TB come from?  Even Andrei noted the
>> synchronization between ESR landings of FF to releases of TB.  He
>> noted some of the statements by Mozilla about the release of TB, as
>> did I in another subthread.
> 
> There is no strict syncing between Firefox and Thunderbird versions, 
> certainly not in release dates.

Coming out with a TB release a week or two later than for a first ESR
landing for FF is pretty damn close for synchronization, and the say day
or in a couple days for incremental (sub-minor) versions is damn close
for synchronization.  You thought the FF group was in charge of
releasing TB?  That the TB group can release on the same day as the FF
release is impressive.  However, they likely only need to include
regression testing on the major version release of FF to make sure no
problems in adopting the new FF code changes, like for differences in
the chrome (GUI) between the two products.

The following datestamps taken from the release notes for FF and TB:

FF 78.0   : released 30 Jun 2020
TB 78.0   : released 17 Jul 2020 (18 days later)

FF 78.0.1 : released 01 Jul 2020
TB 78.0.1 : released 21 Jul 2020 (20 days later)

FF 78.1.0 : released 28 Jul 2020
TB 78.1.0 : released 30 Jul 2020 (2 days later)

FF 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020
TB 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020 (same day)

FF 78.3.0 : released 22 Sep 2020
TB 78.3.0 : released 24 Sep 2020 (2 days later)

FF 78.3.1 : released 01 Oct 2020
TB 78.3.1 : released 26 Sep 2020 (6 days later)

FF 78.4.0 : released 20 Oct 2020
TB 78.4.0 : released 21 Oct 2020 (1 days later)

FF 78.4.1 : released 10 Nov 2020
TB 78.4.1 : released 06 Nov 2020 (4 days later)

FF 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020
TB 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020 (same day)

FF 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020
TB 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020 (same day)

FF 78.6.1 : released 06 Jan 2021
TB 78.6.1 : released 11 Jan 2021 (5 days later)

FF 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021
TB 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021 (same day)

FF 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021
TB 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021 (same day)

FF 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021
TB 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021 (same day)

FF 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021
TB 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021 (same day)

FF 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021
TB 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021 (same day)

FF 78.10.1: released 04 May 2010 
TB 78.10.1: released 04 May 2021 (same day)

They ARE synchonized on both release dates AND definitely on code.

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#536

On 5/17/21 12:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> Where does the code for TB come from?  Even Andrei noted the
>>> synchronization between ESR landings of FF to releases of TB.  He
>>> noted some of the statements by Mozilla about the release of TB, as
>>> did I in another subthread.
>>
>> There is no strict syncing between Firefox and Thunderbird versions,
>> certainly not in release dates.
> 
> Coming out with a TB release a week or two later than for a first ESR
> landing for FF is pretty damn close for synchronization, and the say day
> or in a couple days for incremental (sub-minor) versions is damn close
> for synchronization.  You thought the FF group was in charge of
> releasing TB?  That the TB group can release on the same day as the FF
> release is impressive.  However, they likely only need to include
> regression testing on the major version release of FF to make sure no
> problems in adopting the new FF code changes, like for differences in
> the chrome (GUI) between the two products.
> 
> The following datestamps taken from the release notes for FF and TB:
> 
> FF 78.0   : released 30 Jun 2020
> TB 78.0   : released 17 Jul 2020 (18 days later)
> 
> FF 78.0.1 : released 01 Jul 2020
> TB 78.0.1 : released 21 Jul 2020 (20 days later)
> 
> FF 78.1.0 : released 28 Jul 2020
> TB 78.1.0 : released 30 Jul 2020 (2 days later)
> 
> FF 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020
> TB 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.3.0 : released 22 Sep 2020
> TB 78.3.0 : released 24 Sep 2020 (2 days later)
> 
> FF 78.3.1 : released 01 Oct 2020
> TB 78.3.1 : released 26 Sep 2020 (6 days later)
> 
> FF 78.4.0 : released 20 Oct 2020
> TB 78.4.0 : released 21 Oct 2020 (1 days later)
> 
> FF 78.4.1 : released 10 Nov 2020
> TB 78.4.1 : released 06 Nov 2020 (4 days later)
> 
> FF 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020
> TB 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020
> TB 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.6.1 : released 06 Jan 2021
> TB 78.6.1 : released 11 Jan 2021 (5 days later)
> 
> FF 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021
> TB 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021
> TB 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021
> TB 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021
> TB 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021
> TB 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021 (same day)
> 
> FF 78.10.1: released 04 May 2010
> TB 78.10.1: released 04 May 2021 (same day)
> 
> They ARE synchonized on both release dates AND definitely on code.
> 
What's not English in strict? Thunderbird is not Firefox.

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#538

dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:

> On 5/17/21 12:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>> 
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> Where does the code for TB come from?  Even Andrei noted the
>>>> synchronization between ESR landings of FF to releases of TB.  He
>>>> noted some of the statements by Mozilla about the release of TB, as
>>>> did I in another subthread.
>>>
>>> There is no strict syncing between Firefox and Thunderbird versions,
>>> certainly not in release dates.
>> 
>> Coming out with a TB release a week or two later than for a first ESR
>> landing for FF is pretty damn close for synchronization, and the say day
>> or in a couple days for incremental (sub-minor) versions is damn close
>> for synchronization.  You thought the FF group was in charge of
>> releasing TB?  That the TB group can release on the same day as the FF
>> release is impressive.  However, they likely only need to include
>> regression testing on the major version release of FF to make sure no
>> problems in adopting the new FF code changes, like for differences in
>> the chrome (GUI) between the two products.
>> 
>> The following datestamps taken from the release notes for FF and TB:
>> 
>> FF 78.0   : released 30 Jun 2020
>> TB 78.0   : released 17 Jul 2020 (18 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.0.1 : released 01 Jul 2020
>> TB 78.0.1 : released 21 Jul 2020 (20 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.1.0 : released 28 Jul 2020
>> TB 78.1.0 : released 30 Jul 2020 (2 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020
>> TB 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.3.0 : released 22 Sep 2020
>> TB 78.3.0 : released 24 Sep 2020 (2 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.3.1 : released 01 Oct 2020
>> TB 78.3.1 : released 26 Sep 2020 (6 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.4.0 : released 20 Oct 2020
>> TB 78.4.0 : released 21 Oct 2020 (1 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.4.1 : released 10 Nov 2020
>> TB 78.4.1 : released 06 Nov 2020 (4 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020
>> TB 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020
>> TB 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.6.1 : released 06 Jan 2021
>> TB 78.6.1 : released 11 Jan 2021 (5 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021
>> TB 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021
>> TB 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021
>> TB 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021
>> TB 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021
>> TB 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.10.1: released 04 May 2010
>> TB 78.10.1: released 04 May 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> They ARE synchonized on both release dates AND definitely on code.
>> 
> What's not English in strict? Thunderbird is not Firefox.

Ah, feminine logic.  When the argument is lost, try diversion.  Deny all
you want.  Doesn't change reality.

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#541

On 5/17/21 8:11 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/17/21 12:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where does the code for TB come from?  Even Andrei noted the
>>>>> synchronization between ESR landings of FF to releases of TB.  He
>>>>> noted some of the statements by Mozilla about the release of TB, as
>>>>> did I in another subthread.
>>>>
>>>> There is no strict syncing between Firefox and Thunderbird versions,
>>>> certainly not in release dates.
>>>
>>> Coming out with a TB release a week or two later than for a first ESR
>>> landing for FF is pretty damn close for synchronization, and the say day
>>> or in a couple days for incremental (sub-minor) versions is damn close
>>> for synchronization.  You thought the FF group was in charge of
>>> releasing TB?  That the TB group can release on the same day as the FF
>>> release is impressive.  However, they likely only need to include
>>> regression testing on the major version release of FF to make sure no
>>> problems in adopting the new FF code changes, like for differences in
>>> the chrome (GUI) between the two products.
>>>
>>> The following datestamps taken from the release notes for FF and TB:
>>>
>>> FF 78.0   : released 30 Jun 2020
>>> TB 78.0   : released 17 Jul 2020 (18 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.0.1 : released 01 Jul 2020
>>> TB 78.0.1 : released 21 Jul 2020 (20 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.1.0 : released 28 Jul 2020
>>> TB 78.1.0 : released 30 Jul 2020 (2 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020
>>> TB 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.3.0 : released 22 Sep 2020
>>> TB 78.3.0 : released 24 Sep 2020 (2 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.3.1 : released 01 Oct 2020
>>> TB 78.3.1 : released 26 Sep 2020 (6 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.4.0 : released 20 Oct 2020
>>> TB 78.4.0 : released 21 Oct 2020 (1 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.4.1 : released 10 Nov 2020
>>> TB 78.4.1 : released 06 Nov 2020 (4 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020
>>> TB 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020
>>> TB 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.6.1 : released 06 Jan 2021
>>> TB 78.6.1 : released 11 Jan 2021 (5 days later)
>>>
>>> FF 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021
>>> TB 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021
>>> TB 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021
>>> TB 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021
>>> TB 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021
>>> TB 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021 (same day)
>>>
>>> FF 78.10.1: released 04 May 2010
>>> TB 78.10.1: released 04 May 2021 (same day)
>>>
>>> They ARE synchonized on both release dates AND definitely on code.
>>>
>> What's not English in strict? Thunderbird is not Firefox.
> 
> Ah, feminine logic.  When the argument is lost, try diversion.  Deny all
> you want.  Doesn't change reality.
> 
Wow, did I step on your toes?

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#539

dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:

> On 5/17/21 12:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>> 
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All of that is about Firefox, we're talking about Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> Where does the code for TB come from?  Even Andrei noted the
>>>> synchronization between ESR landings of FF to releases of TB.  He
>>>> noted some of the statements by Mozilla about the release of TB, as
>>>> did I in another subthread.
>>>
>>> There is no strict syncing between Firefox and Thunderbird versions,
>>> certainly not in release dates.
>> 
>> Coming out with a TB release a week or two later than for a first ESR
>> landing for FF is pretty damn close for synchronization, and the say day
>> or in a couple days for incremental (sub-minor) versions is damn close
>> for synchronization.  You thought the FF group was in charge of
>> releasing TB?  That the TB group can release on the same day as the FF
>> release is impressive.  However, they likely only need to include
>> regression testing on the major version release of FF to make sure no
>> problems in adopting the new FF code changes, like for differences in
>> the chrome (GUI) between the two products.
>> 
>> The following datestamps taken from the release notes for FF and TB:
>> 
>> FF 78.0   : released 30 Jun 2020
>> TB 78.0   : released 17 Jul 2020 (18 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.0.1 : released 01 Jul 2020
>> TB 78.0.1 : released 21 Jul 2020 (20 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.1.0 : released 28 Jul 2020
>> TB 78.1.0 : released 30 Jul 2020 (2 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020
>> TB 78.2.0 : released 25 Aug 2020 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.3.0 : released 22 Sep 2020
>> TB 78.3.0 : released 24 Sep 2020 (2 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.3.1 : released 01 Oct 2020
>> TB 78.3.1 : released 26 Sep 2020 (6 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.4.0 : released 20 Oct 2020
>> TB 78.4.0 : released 21 Oct 2020 (1 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.4.1 : released 10 Nov 2020
>> TB 78.4.1 : released 06 Nov 2020 (4 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020
>> TB 78.5.0 : released 17 Nov 2020 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020
>> TB 78.6.0 : released 15 Dec 2020 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.6.1 : released 06 Jan 2021
>> TB 78.6.1 : released 11 Jan 2021 (5 days later)
>> 
>> FF 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021
>> TB 78.7.0 : released 26 Jan 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021
>> TB 78.7.1 : released 05 Feb 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021
>> TB 78.8.0 : released 23 Feb 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021
>> TB 78.9.0 : released 23 Mar 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021
>> TB 78.10.0: released 19 Apr 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> FF 78.10.1: released 04 May 2010
>> TB 78.10.1: released 04 May 2021 (same day)
>> 
>> They ARE synchonized on both release dates AND definitely on code.
>> 
> What's not English in strict? Thunderbird is not Firefox.

If you thought I said Thunderbird and Firefox were exactly the same
product with different names, or even variants of each other (e.g.,
Firefox, TOR browser), you're making up stuff.  I already alluded to
differences in the products, but TB does rely on Firefox code hence the
synchronization in versioning of FF ESR with TB.

https://developer.thunderbird.net/thunderbird-development/getting-started
"Thunderbird is built on the Mozilla platform, the same base that
Firefox is built from. As such the two projects share a lot of code and
much of the documentation for one will apply, in many ways, to the
other."

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#510

Simon <simon@mydomain.domain> wrote:

> What is the latest version of Thunderbird ESR and where do I download it from?  This link  https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/> 
> is useless because it says the latest version is 17.0.11.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar

There is a column marked "ESR" to let you know which were the ESR
releases.

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#520

There is also a column that says it is for Firefox. Did you miss that column?


On 16/05/2021 05:52, VanguardLH wrote:
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar
>
> There is a column marked "ESR" to let you know which were the ESR
> releases.

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#524

Martin <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> There is also a column that says it is for Firefox. Did you miss that
> column?

Since the releases of TB are based on the ESR landings for FF, I just
watch the ESR landings for FF.  Mozilla claims at
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Home:

- Thunderbird Project version numbers generally match up to Mozilla 
  Firefox ESR and beta versions.
- (Unlike Firefox, Thunderbird releases versions between ESRs only as 
  betas, for example 69-77 are betas only).
- But we roughly track the ESR release schedule of Firefox.
- Thunderbird ESR Releases typically happen the same week of the 
  published Firefox dates.

Plus this TB article has a link to the release calendar that I mentioned 
at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar.  I take it by
their 2nd point that TB is not released except at ESR versions of
Firefox, and not at any of the intervening FF versions which the TB
group considers beta versions.  Doesn't that make every release of TB an
ESR version?  Seems the OP should just get the latest released version
of TB, because that's one that based on an ESR landing of FF.

Despite Mozilla's claim regarding their versions are based on ESR
landings of FF, TB is still available in released, beta, and nightly
channels (as shown at https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/).  Since the OP
wants an ESR landing of TB, he should select "Release Channel" which
offers 78.10.1 and is an ESR landing of FF.

I'm on the [rapid] release channel for FF, and I have 88.0.1.  The TB
blog (https://blog.thunderbird.net/) discusses TB 78 which is also an
ESR landing level for FF.  TB releases on the ESR landings of FF.

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#527

On 16 May 2021 12:36:43 -0500 VanguardLH wrote:

>... Doesn't that make every release of TB an ESR version?

It passes the duck test for an ESR.
-- 
(Remove numerics from email address)

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#528

On 16/05/2021 20:01, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 16 May 2021 12:36:43 -0500 VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> ... Doesn't that make every release of TB an ESR version?
> 
> It passes the duck test for an ESR.
> 

In a sense they are all ESR releases and in another sense they are all 
normal releases now but with no separate ESR release.

Latest at time of writing this message is, as far as I know, here:
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/78.10.1/

-- 
Brian Gregory (in England).

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#531

Dave Royal wrote:
> On 16 May 2021 12:36:43 -0500 VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> ... Doesn't that make every release of TB an ESR version?
> 
> It passes the duck test for an ESR.
> 
https://postimg.cc/tscbV84W

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