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| First post | 2022-03-04 16:57 +0000 |
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How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-04 16:57 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Henk de Jong <newsgroup@nospam-hsdejong.nl> - 2022-03-04 18:55 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:17 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-03-04 10:01 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:18 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> - 2022-03-04 20:22 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:38 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Christian Riechers <chriechers@netscape.net.invalid> - 2022-03-05 13:30 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 15:47 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2022-03-04 19:41 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 PietB <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2022-03-04 20:41 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 21:23 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 12:40 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-04 20:49 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 12:57 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 22:10 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 14:39 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 23:51 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-03-04 17:58 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 15:33 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2022-03-05 01:00 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> - 2022-03-04 20:25 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 21:20 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:22 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> - 2022-03-05 22:09 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:27 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2022-03-05 21:57 +1100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 13:11 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2022-03-04 16:18 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:55 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2022-03-04 18:57 -0600
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:28 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 11:18 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 15:36 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 16:04 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 18:58 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 18:47 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 21:21 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 11:10 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 09:11 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-03-06 12:46 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 21:23 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-04 21:26 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 23:05 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 15:23 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:31 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 11:20 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:59 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> - 2022-03-04 20:27 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:48 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 11:26 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 15:30 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-03-05 15:39 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 22:37 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-07-23 10:03 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-04 22:07 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> - 2022-03-04 16:26 -0500
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 14:15 -0800
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 00:00 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:05 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:39 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 15:24 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:19 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 01:02 +0000
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| From | Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 01:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svucns$62d$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org> |
| In reply to | #3609 |
On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> >>>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>>>> >>>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>>>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >>>> >>>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >>>> settings for those millions - and you. >>> >>> The price is too high. >> >> You have no say in the matter :-p > > Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful. > >>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>> further. >> >> I use imap on all my accounts. > I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete > it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in > the cloud is unsettling. I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server. > This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to > read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer. -- Jasen.
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| From | WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 20:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <svue5o$1uv3$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #3619 |
On 3/4/22 8:00 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: > On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>>>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>>>>> >>>>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>>>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>>>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>>>>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>>>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>>>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >>>>> >>>>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >>>>> settings for those millions - and you. >>>> >>>> The price is too high. >>> >>> You have no say in the matter :-p >> >> Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful. >> >>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>> further. >>> >>> I use imap on all my accounts. > >> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete >> it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in >> the cloud is unsettling. > > I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my > home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail > accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server. > You can forward email to an SMTP server? SMTP is for sending email, not receiving. -- OS: Fedora 35 Workstation - Gnome 41 Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/ Same Nightmare, Different Day https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 21:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <svurud$dbj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3619 |
On 03/04/2022 05:00 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work
>>>>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order
>>>>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for
>>>>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems
>>>>>> like an even bigger nuisance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most
>>>>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO
>>>>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant>
>>>>>
>>>>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces
>>>>> settings for those millions - and you.
>>>>
>>>> The price is too high.
>>>
>>> You have no say in the matter :-p
>>
>> Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful.
>>
>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be
>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I
>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the
>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate
>>>> further.
>>>
>>> I use imap on all my accounts.
>
>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete
>> it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in
>> the cloud is unsettling.
>
> I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my
> home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail
> accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server.
I'm confused. SMTP is only for outgoing mail, right? Various mail
servers get kind of pissy if you don't use THEIR smtp servers.
>> This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to
>> read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back.
>
> I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer.
But it wouldn't be on my computer if I weren't there downloading it.
--
Cheers, Bev
"If anyone disagrees with anything I say, I am quite prepared
not only to retract it, but also to deny under oath that I
ever said it." -- T. Lehrer
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 09:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <j6jbfi-gu6.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #3631 |
On 2022-03-05 06:20, The Real Bev wrote: > On 03/04/2022 05:00 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: >> On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>>> further. >>>> >>>> I use imap on all my accounts. >> >>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete >>> it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in >>> the cloud is unsettling. >> >> I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my >> home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail >> accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server. > > I'm confused. SMTP is only for outgoing mail, right? Various mail > servers get kind of pissy if you don't use THEIR smtp servers. For a client, yes. But it is actually both, an smtp server both sends and receives. An smtp server talks to other smtp servers. Yes, it is tricky to get other smtp servers out there to actually accept your smtp server. Typically you need a fixed IP with both dns and reverse dns working, and not being blacklisted. >>> This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to >>> read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. >> >> I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer. > > But it wouldn't be on my computer if I weren't there downloading it. For that there is automatics :-) If downloading is manual, you can also do that via ssh. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 22:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t00n2t$41q$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org> |
| In reply to | #3631 |
On 2022-03-05, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > On 03/04/2022 05:00 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: >> On 2022-03-04, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>>>>>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>>>>>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>>>>>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>>>>>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>>>>>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>>>>>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >>>>>> >>>>>> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >>>>>> settings for those millions - and you. >>>>> >>>>> The price is too high. >>>> >>>> You have no say in the matter :-p >>> >>> Unfortunately. Voting is about as useful. >>> >>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>>> further. >>>> >>>> I use imap on all my accounts. >> >>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete >>> it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in >>> the cloud is unsettling. >> >> I use smtp instead, this meant I has to set up a SMTP server on my >> home computer, and organise a domain name for it, then I set my gmail >> accout to forward all mail to my SMTP server. > > I'm confused. SMTP is only for outgoing mail, right? SMTP is also for transferring mail between servers. > Various mail servers get kind of pissy if you don't use THEIR smtp servers. no. but SPF and DKIM are something like that. >>> This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to >>> read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. >> >> I use ssh from my phone if I need to read mail that is on my computer. > > But it wouldn't be on my computer if I weren't there downloading it. SMTP works automatically. you don't need to manually download. -- Jasen.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 09:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <cgjbfi-467.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #3609 |
On 2022-03-05 00:33, The Real Bev wrote: > On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>> further. >> >> I use imap on all my accounts. > > I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and delete > it from the server. The idea of having it floating around forever in > the cloud is unsettling. But you can use imap also for downloading to your computer. In Linux, you would typically set this up with fetchmail (which doesn't do Oauth2, I believe). But you can also set this up with Thunderbird. First, you can tell Th to synchronize for offline reading. Or, you can create a filter that moves instantly any new email to a local folder - but in this case another machine or tablet can not read the email. Except that gmail by default doesn't delete anything. > This causes a problem when I take a tablet/phone on a trip and want to > read my mail on it, but download it to my computer when I get back. This > isn't easy, but I never considered the possibility when I established > most of my accounts. IMAP is certainly more practical. I need to do > some experimentation... I don't think anything changed when I added > IMAP to those two existing POP accounts... > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 21:57 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <88sbfi-ga3.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au> |
| In reply to | #3635 |
On 05/03/2022 19:27, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2022-03-05 00:33, The Real Bev wrote: >> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: > > >>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>> further. >>> >>> I use imap on all my accounts. >> >> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and >> delete it from the server. The idea of having it floating around >> forever in the cloud is unsettling. > > But you can use imap also for downloading to your computer. In Linux, > you would typically set this up with fetchmail (which doesn't do Oauth2, > I believe). > Getmail - the proper getmail, 5, - at <https://pyropus.ca./software/getmail/>, has a mechanism for using OAUTH2, I just changed to OAUTH2 from simple login for the three accounts that I pull down from gmail. Took maybe 10-15 minutes, most of which was working through the interminable google setup stuff. Oh, Getmail is written in Python 2, so if you're limited by what you can click'n'drool it probably won't work for you. Cheers, Gary B-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 13:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dk0cfi-adj.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #3638 |
On 2022-03-05 11:57, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > On 05/03/2022 19:27, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-05 00:33, The Real Bev wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 02:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 23:39, The Real Bev wrote: >>>>> On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >> >> >>>>> I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >>>>> implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I >>>>> marked as IMAP. SOME accounts I marked as both POP and IMAP at the >>>>> gmail website, and they seemed to work just fine. I shall investigate >>>>> further. >>>> >>>> I use imap on all my accounts. >>> >>> I chose POP because I wanted to download mail to my computer and >>> delete it from the server. The idea of having it floating around >>> forever in the cloud is unsettling. >> >> But you can use imap also for downloading to your computer. In Linux, >> you would typically set this up with fetchmail (which doesn't do >> Oauth2, I believe). >> > Getmail - the proper getmail, 5, - at > <https://pyropus.ca./software/getmail/>, has a mechanism for using > OAUTH2, I just changed to OAUTH2 from simple login for the three > accounts that I pull down from gmail. > > Took maybe 10-15 minutes, most of which was working through the > interminable google setup stuff. > > Oh, Getmail is written in Python 2, so if you're limited by what you can > click'n'drool it probably won't work for you. I just looked in the fetchmail manual, and there are references to oauth2, too. Rather "oaouth2 token" -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Nobody <jock@soccer.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 16:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dja52hdg6nt1upfp9an8ch3v1co6uvuutm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #3604 |
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:39:10 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >On 03/04/2022 01:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-04 21:57, The Real Bev wrote: >>> >>> BUT google's messages seem to say that passwords will no longer work >>> with google apps. WTF? Google's website offers no enlightenment. >>> >>> I resent being made to jump through hoops (opening an account in order >>> to ask a manufacturer a simple question about one of their products, for >>> example) in order to do things whose security is irrelevant. This seems >>> like an even bigger nuisance. >>> >>> Perhaps I should already know this stuff, but given the fact that most >>> of what I do I could post on a billboard with no problems, exactly WHO >>> am I protecting with all this crap? </rant> >> >> You may know what you are doing, but millions do not. So google enforces >> settings for those millions - and you. > >The price is too high. > >I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be >implemented for POP by Thunderbird, Yes it can... and does.. but I'm not inclined to figure out the nitty-gritty for TB 38. v91.6.1 on Win 11 works just fine for both POP and IMAP. Horse and dray means you have to pick up the dung. <g> 'i' before 'e' except after 'c' disproved by science
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 00:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svucdp$1h7f$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #3604 |
The Real Bev wrote: > I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be > implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I > marked as IMAP. I must have switched to OAuth2 long ago (probably when the last warning came from Google) and I _still_ got the email message from google it seems. [Tools/AccountSettings/YourGmailAccount/ServerSettings/SecuritySettings/AuthenticationMethod] <https://i.postimg.cc/432zCNgx/gmailpasswd03.jpg> Current Gmail OATH2 setup -- Usenet isn't for amusement; it's for learning from and helping each other.
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 18:57 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dvOdnakenf8IKL__nZ2dnUU7-QednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #3616 |
In alt.os.linux Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
> > I did find out something useful, though. oath2whatever can't be
> > implemented for POP by Thunderbird, but it shows up for the accounts I
> > marked as IMAP.
> I must have switched to OAuth2 long ago (probably when the last warning came
> from Google) and I _still_ got the email message from google it seems.
> [Tools/AccountSettings/YourGmailAccount/ServerSettings/SecuritySettings/AuthenticationMethod]
> <https://i.postimg.cc/432zCNgx/gmailpasswd03.jpg> Current Gmail OATH2 setup
Check your logged in https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps. Is it
ON? If so, then turn it OFF. I'm pretty sure Google is checking your
Google account's settings.
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 01:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svuech$3lb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #3617 |
Ant wrote: > Check your logged in https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps. Is it > ON? If so, then turn it OFF. I'm pretty sure Google is checking your > Google account's settings. Funny thing is I haven't "logged" into a Google app in years it seems. I just click Thunderbird in Windows to get my mail, or K-9 on Android. Logging into Google using Opera, which is a VPN-based browser... Damn... sends me to 'security' <https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=accountsettings&hl=en-US&continue=https://myaccount.google.com/intro/security> Oh crap. Captcha.... (it's the only childish puzzle game I'm forced to play) Jesus Christ.... damn piece of shit is forcing another email on me. Now I have to give it a _second_ email just to log into the first. (Google _hates_ vpn like I hate trolls!) Anyway, after I set all that up, it gives me this confusing page: <https://i.postimg.cc/MGs3HSyn/gmailpasswd04.jpg> Apps with access to your account Third-party apps with account access You gave these sites and apps access to some of your Google Account data, including info that may be sensitive. Remove access for those you no longer trust or use. Learn about the risks 1 of your apps is secured by Cross-Account Protection. SRWare Iron Has full access to your Google Account Email - Edison Mail Has access to Gmail, Google Contacts FairEmail, privacy aware email Has access to Gmail *Mozilla Thunderbird Email Has access to Gmail* Signing in with Google You use your Google Account to sign in to these sites and apps. They can view your name, email address, and profile picture. 1 of your apps is secured by Cross-Account Protection. Google Account sign-in prompts Allow Google to offer a faster way to sign in with your Google Account on supported third-party sites Email - Edison Mail JSTOR Google may also have access to some of your third-party accounts. Learn more about how to manage those connections. -- Can you make sense out of that? I can't yet.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 11:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j8gv7uFj370U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3626 |
Andy Burnelli wrote: > Anyway, after I set all that up, it gives me this confusing page: > <https://i.postimg.cc/MGs3HSyn/gmailpasswd04.jpg> K-9 doesn't support oAuth2, so you must be using "less secure apps" or an "app specific password" with it to gmail. Since I've not received the warning email from google, I'm not sure if they're only binning the former method or both methods.
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| From | Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 15:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t00029$9b7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #3640 |
Andy Burns wrote: >> Anyway, after I set all that up, it gives me this confusing page: >> <https://i.postimg.cc/MGs3HSyn/gmailpasswd04.jpg> > > K-9 doesn't support oAuth2, so you must be using "less secure apps" or an "app > specific password" with it to gmail. Since I've not received the warning email > from google, I'm not sure if they're only binning the former method or both methods. Oh oh... that's bad news that K-9 doesn't support OAuth2 as that means if they don't support it by the Google deadline, we're all toast who use it. You are correct though that I currently have less secure apps set as shown: <https://i.postimg.cc/cL9r9qFW/gmailpasswd05.jpg> So the question (for Android) would be how to keep K9 working after cutoff.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 16:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j8hg17Fm6tsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3651 |
Andy Burnelli wrote: > So the question (for Android) would be how to keep K9 working after cutoff. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en You're probably not going to like that it requires 2FA
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 18:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <bukcfi-qgn.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #3655 |
On 2022-03-05 17:04, Andy Burns wrote: > Andy Burnelli wrote: > >> So the question (for Android) would be how to keep K9 working after >> cutoff. > > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en > > You're probably not going to like that it requires 2FA I concur. For me the problem is, that the only account where I got the warning mail, is not associated with any Android device, simply because it predates them, so AFAIK 2FA is not possible. My Android devices are associated with another Google account. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 18:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j8hpitFo1elU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3656 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > For me the problem is, that the only account where I got the warning mail, is > not associated with any Android device, simply because it predates them, so > AFAIK 2FA is not possible. My Android devices are associated with another Google > account. Can't you add the old account, as a second google account, to one of your phones/tablets?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 21:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <cbtcfi-t5q.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #3657 |
On 2022-03-05 19:47, Andy Burns wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> For me the problem is, that the only account where I got the warning >> mail, is not associated with any Android device, simply because it >> predates them, so AFAIK 2FA is not possible. My Android devices are >> associated with another Google account. > > Can't you add the old account, as a second google account, to one of > your phones/tablets? > Hum. I don't know if I want to do that :-? It would have to be on my main phone, the only device that is guaranteed to be near me in every case google wants me to authenticate. I'll have to think about it. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 11:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j8guokFj0h4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3604 |
The Real Bev wrote: > oath2whatever can't be implemented for POP by Thunderbird We had this discussion a few months back, yes it can, pop is what I use with TB v91 and gmail, it may not be available with your older version?
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-06 09:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <t02q0e$qu4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3639 |
On 03/05/2022 03:10 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> oath2whatever can't be implemented for POP by Thunderbird
>
> We had this discussion a few months back, yes it can, pop is what I use with TB
> v91 and gmail, it may not be available with your older version?
TB 38. Definitely older.
I'm wondering about downloading the latest TB version into a separate
subdirectory, letting (requiring?) it to create a new profile, and then
copying over the entire contents of my current profile over the new
profile (cp -arf * I think). This is my normal Firefox update method
and it seems to work fine. Will it work nicely with Thunderbird too?
--
Cheers, Bev
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