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Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 09:28 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-25 10:11 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2021-04-25 10:25 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 10:47 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-25 11:04 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-25 12:13 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 12:27 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 12:33 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 09:11 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-26 09:19 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 07:55 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-26 17:11 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-26 16:47 +0000
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 10:45 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Marc Auslander <marcausl@gmail.com> - 2021-04-26 14:04 -0400
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-26 18:20 +0000
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 11:44 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 16:02 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 16:49 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 18:39 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 09:15 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 12:26 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:20 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:37 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Laurence Taylor <laurence@nospam.plus.com> - 2021-04-28 21:40 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-28 22:01 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2021-04-29 09:19 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-28 02:29 +0000
OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:14 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:42 -0700
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:42 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:07 -0700
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 18:37 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:59 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:45 -0600
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:50 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:57 -0600
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2021-04-28 20:33 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 14:31 -0600
Re: OT: posting/emailing style The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 13:38 -0700
Re: OT: posting/emailing style Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2021-04-28 21:35 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> - 2021-04-26 23:29 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 16:01 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> - 2021-04-26 23:28 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 16:57 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 18:56 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 09:32 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 10:59 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 10:26 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 12:28 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:23 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:50 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:51 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:15 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 11:48 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:58 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-26 20:00 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 12:25 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 16:26 -0500
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-27 05:07 +0000
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Bill H <bhtemp99@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2021-04-26 09:06 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 15:54 -0500
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 22:58 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 17:55 -0500
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-25 09:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text |
| Message-ID | <ieknhaF479lU1@mid.individual.net> |
MB wrote: > Can someone remind me how you stop Thunderbird displaying quote text > when reading post? I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported?
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| From | MB <MB@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2021-04-25 10:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <s63bmv$q9s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #232 |
On 25/04/2021 09:28, Andy Burns wrote: > I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported? I am sure that must have been it but can't find anything. It would seem a very important option, there often many screens full of quoted text to scroll through.
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| From | Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-25 10:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <12a9z2v149rlq$.1d2wrv7ugh6ax.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #233 |
On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:11:12 +0100, MB wrote: > On 25/04/2021 09:28, Andy Burns wrote: >> I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported? > > > > I am sure that must have been it but can't find anything. It would seem > a very important option, there often many screens full of quoted text to > scroll through. Was QuoteCollapse I believe. Alas no more. -- Jim S
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-25 10:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ieks5uF53mlU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #234 |
Jim S wrote: > MB wrote: > >> Andy Burns wrote: >> >>> I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported? >> >> I am sure that must have been it but can't find anything. It would seem >> a very important option, there often many screens full of quoted text to >> scroll through. > > Was QuoteCollapse I believe. > Alas no more. Looks like a combined version of QuoteColors and QuoteCollapse may be coming back for TB91 <https://www.thunderbird-mail.de/forum/thread/86842-quotecolors-update-f%C3%BCr-thunderbird-91/>
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| From | MB <MB@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2021-04-25 11:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <s63erp$f6h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235 |
On 25/04/2021 10:47, Andy Burns wrote: > > Looks like a combined version of QuoteColors and QuoteCollapse may be > coming back for TB91 Thanks to both, will keep a look out.
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| From | Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-25 12:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <s63isr$b78$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236 |
On 25/04/2021 11:04, MB wrote: > On 25/04/2021 10:47, Andy Burns wrote: >> >> Looks like a combined version of QuoteColors and QuoteCollapse may be >> coming back for TB91 > > Thanks to both, will keep a look out. Just checked my addons and I have "Quote Colors" -notice the space- and it is working fine. There is a toggle switch to turn it on and off. Tools -> Add Ons from the main page. -- Chris
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-25 12:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <iel21dF66hfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #237 |
Chris Youlden wrote: > Just checked my addons and I have "Quote Colors" -notice the space- and > it is working fine. Presumably v2.x ? I think it'd v3.x that claims it will include the quotecollapse functionality
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| From | Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 12:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <s668e1$k0u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #238 |
On 25/04/2021 12:27, Andy Burns wrote: > Chris Youlden wrote: > >> Just checked my addons and I have "Quote Colors" -notice the space- >> and it is working fine. > > Presumably v2.x ? > > I think it'd v3.x that claims it will include the quotecollapse > functionality Yes, it's v2.0.5 Updated 16th April 2021. -- Chris
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| From | "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 09:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <s65sjb$hac$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #232 |
Yeah, that is why I top post! Incidentally can the hot keys used by Tbird be changed so the old muscle memory of Microsoft mail and news clients can continue to be used when this old outlook express cannot work any more? Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... briang1@blueyonder.co.uk Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:ieknhaF479lU1@mid.individual.net... > MB wrote: > >> Can someone remind me how you stop Thunderbird displaying quote text when >> reading post? > > I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer > supported?
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 09:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ienbbtFjmkdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #249 |
Brian Gaff wrote: > can the hot keys used by Tbird be changed There used to be a couple of add-ons to remap keyboard shortcuts, but I don't think they work with current versions of thunderbird.
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| From | Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 07:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ieo2j1Fo5arU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #249 |
On 4/26/2021 1:11 AM, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote: > Yeah, that is why I top post! If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, then back up to see your reply. Whether you top post, bottom post, or intersperse post is entirely up to you, but as far as I'm concerned, top-posters are a nuisance, and quickly get killfiled here. Moreover your top top-posting puts your signature after your reply so everything you had quoted gets deleted in my reply. -- Ken
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| From | MB <MB@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 17:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <s66onq$l1r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #252 |
On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote: > If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, > then back up to see your reply. I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years ago! Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much. I think a lot of it went back to the days when most USENET users were academic ones and some rather resented 'ordinary' users. :-) I wondered if they were used to the days when everything was printed out (they were not paying for the paper of course!).
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| From | "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 16:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <s66qrf$vn5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #255 |
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote: >On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote: >>If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, >>then back up to see your reply. >I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years >ago! Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much. Overquoting is a separate issue. After all, not choosing what's necessary to retain context in quoted remark has nothing to do with posting in followup above, intersperced, or below. Top posting sucks for the obvious reason Ken Blake stated. English is read top to bottom. >I think a lot of it went back to the days when most USENET users were >academic ones and some rather resented 'ordinary' users. :-) >I wondered if they were used to the days when everything was printed out >(they were not paying for the paper of course!).
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| From | Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 10:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ieoci1Fq0f8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #255 |
On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote: > On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote: >> If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, >> then back up to see your reply. > > I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years > ago! Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much. Yes! If replies only quoted the points being replied to, it would usually not matter whether they were top-posted or bottom-posted. Scrolling would seldom be needed. -- Ken
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| From | Marc Auslander <marcausl@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 14:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6hDhI.11865$mT7.9730@fx22.iad> |
| In reply to | #257 |
On 4/26/2021 1:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote: > On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote: >> On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote: >>> If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, >>> then back up to see your reply. >> >> I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years >> ago! Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much. > ctrl-end is your friend.
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| From | "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 18:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <s6708p$poq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #257 |
Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote: >On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote: >>On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote: >>>If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, >>>then back up to see your reply. >>I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years >>ago! Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much. >Yes! If replies only quoted the points being replied to, it would >usually not matter whether they were top-posted or bottom-posted. >Scrolling would seldom be needed. Preserving logical reading order still matters.
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| From | Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 11:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ieofvuFqmlaU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #260 |
On 4/26/2021 11:20 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote: >>On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote: >>>On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote: > >>>>If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, >>>>then back up to see your reply. > >>>I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years >>>ago! Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much. > >>Yes! If replies only quoted the points being replied to, it would >>usually not matter whether they were top-posted or bottom-posted. >>Scrolling would seldom be needed. > > Preserving logical reading order still matters. No argument from me, but it matters much less if the quoted material and the reply both fit on the screen. -- Ken
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 16:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <s67db6$1hk$2@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #263 |
On 4/26/21 12:44 PM, Ken Blake wrote: > No argument from me, but it matters much less if the quoted material and > the reply both fit on the screen. So few of the discussions I participate in will fit on a single screen. Even with proper trimming. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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| From | Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 16:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <iep1ruFtu60U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #275 |
On 4/26/2021 3:02 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 4/26/21 12:44 PM, Ken Blake wrote: >> No argument from me, but it matters much less if the quoted material and >> the reply both fit on the screen. > > So few of the discussions I participate in will fit on a single screen. > Even with proper trimming. This message, as you trimmed it and I replied to it, fits on a single screen. Would it be worse if if my reply was top-posted?> Maybe slightly worse, but it wouldn't be a big deal to me. -- Ken
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| From | Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> |
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| Date | 2021-04-26 18:39 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <s67mic$cti$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net> |
| In reply to | #280 |
On 4/26/21 5:49 PM, Ken Blake wrote: > This message, as you trimmed it and I replied to it, fits on a single > screen. What I'm replying to would fit in a (new) tweet. IMHO, Tweets aren't in and of themselves sufficient for actual honest to $DEITY communications. When you start getting into communications where someone takes more than five minutes to type a reply chances are good that their message, much less a sufficiently detailed response, will not fit on a number of screens and will require scrolling. Especially if one or both parties enforces hard line breaks between 70 and 80 characters. > Would it be worse if if my reply was top-posted? Definitely. > Maybe slightly worse, but it wouldn't be a big deal to me. More than slightly. You're using English, so I'm going to assume that it's familiar to you. As such, you are probably also familiar with the top to bottom flow of normal English writing. You probably also realize that this is a representation of chronological ""speech (of sorts). With that in mind, I speculate that you would be disconcerted to hear someone answer a question before the question was asked. Be it a time jump or whatever. So ... why should textual representation of speech be any different than the verbal form of speech? Once you get beyond a certain length of email or discussion, there is a sequence of multiple points. And it's quite common to give participants the opportunity to respond to various points during the course of a longer discussion. I view interspersing point with counter points to be the same way. This is typically referred to in-line style. I strongly prefer in-line style. Bottom posting does maintain conversation chronology. -- As in someone new to the conversation, say reading a newsgroup / mailing list archive. -- Can read from the start at the top to the end at the bottom in one pass and likely not be confused. whack out of that of all throws posting top Aside: I view "but my client does $THIS automaticaly" comments to be an excuse at best. Also, the size and popularity of the institution that creates a tool to do something does not speak to it's properness, rather simply nods to it's likely probability. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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