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  ThunderMail is coming soon James <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-20 20:35 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-20 21:50 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 16:13 +0000
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon D <J@M> - 2025-04-21 20:20 +0200
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Jörg Knobloch <jorgk@jorgk.com> - 2025-04-21 22:07 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon D <J@M> - 2025-04-20 21:55 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:42 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:46 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-21 08:52 +0100
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 17:36 -0500
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-22 05:58 -0400
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:43 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 23:42 +1000
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-04-22 11:12 -0400
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:49 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 08:59 +0100
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 08:05 -0400
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-21 14:05 +0100
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-21 11:41 -0400
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 18:18 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-22 01:42 +0200
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-21 18:53 +0200
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 20:07 +1000
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:49 -0500
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 13:58 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:32 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon David <BD@invalid.now> - 2025-05-03 14:50 +0100
                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:39 -0400
                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-03 19:14 +0000
                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:53 +0200
                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:31 +0000
                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:59 +0000
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:39 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:27 -0500
                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 11:31 +0100
                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:14 -0500
                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 12:36 +0100
                        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:50 -0500
                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 15:54 +0000
                        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:00 -0500
                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-24 12:19 +0100
                            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 14:33 +0200
                              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 12:54 +0100
                                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:03 +0200
                                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-29 16:48 +0100
                            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 14:55 +0100
                              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-24 15:26 +0100
                                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:05 -0500
                                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 21:25 -0500
                                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 06:53 +0100
                                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 01:53 -0500
                                        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-25 08:11 +0100
                                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:06 -0500
                                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-25 13:47 +0200
                                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 08:20 -0400
                                        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 07:52 -0500
                                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-25 12:00 -0400
                                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Arthur Conan Doyle <dont@bother.com> - 2025-04-25 07:33 -0500
                              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-24 22:47 +0200
                                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-24 22:09 +0100
                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 15:27 +0000
                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 18:37 +0200
                            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Trump Lost The Tariff War <Trump@US.Gov> - 2025-04-24 17:30 +0000
                              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 21:48 +0200
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2025-04-21 19:53 +0000
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 06:31 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:47 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-21 03:45 -0700
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 21:14 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:54 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-21 13:00 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Roberto <dash@dominus.net> - 2025-04-21 19:26 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-23 00:15 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-23 00:49 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-22 18:36 -0700
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:07 -0500
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-25 00:26 +0100
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 05:44 -0700
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 06:26 -0500
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Wayne <wayne@nospam.com> - 2025-05-28 18:26 -0400
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-28 18:58 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 02:18 +0800
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400

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#16439

On 2025-04-24 15:55, Richmond wrote:
> Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> writes:
> 
>> In article <13esvde35xjuj.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
>>> No wonder look-alike domains (using UTF8 characters instead of ASCII)
>>> don't get killed right away.
>>>
>>
>> How does that work?
> 
> 𝙸𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚔𝚜 𝚋𝚢 𝚞𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚌𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎.
> 
> It works by using characters like those.

Wow. Did you do that by hand, or some software?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#16440

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

> On 2025-04-24 15:55, Richmond wrote:
>> Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> writes:
>> 
>>> In article <13esvde35xjuj.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...  >
>>>No wonder look-alike domains (using UTF8 characters instead of ASCII)
>>>> don't get killed right away.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How does that work?  𝙸𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚔𝚜 𝚋𝚢 𝚞𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚌𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚜 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎.  It
>> works by using characters like those.
>
> Wow. Did you do that by hand, or some software?

I used a program. I wrote it in python 2, but it didn't work anymore so
I asked chatgpt to rewrite it in python3, and it did completely rewrite
it.

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#16435

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's their choice. You don't have a right to be able to contact them. 
> 
> Actually, and for registrars under the GDPR's thumb, the registrars
> *must* redact the registration info.  It is NOT their customer's choice.

Well done for removing context. 

I was talking about not having contact information on their website.
Nothing to do with registrars. 

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#16436

Vanguard,

> Actually, and for registrars under the GDPR's thumb, the registrars
> *must* redact the registration info.  It is NOT their customer's choice.

You *still* have no clue what you are talking about.

... Or you do, but that would make things even worse.  :-|

[Quote from my earlier posted link]
In responses to domain name queries, Registrar and Registry Operator MUST 
treat the following Registrant fields as "redacted"
[quote]

*DIRECTLY FOLLOWED BY*

[Quote from my earlier posted link]
unless the Registered Name Holder has provided Consent to publish the 
Registered Name Holder's data:
[quote]

So no, its still the customers choice, and you're talking crap - again.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#16437

On 24/04/2025 17:37, R.Wieser wrote:
> You *still* have no clue what you are talking about.
>
>

For god's sake leave him alone. He is not a resident of Europe and so 
all he can do is to make up things as he goes along and hopefully 
something will hit the mark.

None of you have any clues as to what the topic was about in the subject 
matter.

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#16438

Trump...something,something,something,

> On 24/04/2025 17:37, R.Wieser wrote:
>
>> You *still* have no clue what you are talking about.
>
> For god's sake leave him alone.

Why ?

> He is not a resident of Europe and so all he can do is to
> make up things as he goes along

"all he can do" ?  Bullshit.  Just like I can look for and find (and post a 
link to) the relevant information, so can he.   And all that it took me was 
about 5 minutes.

Also, he's been getting the same "thats bullshit, bro" signal from several 
people.  It has been his own choice to refuse to double-check his presumed 
facts, and instead just try to steam-roll on.

> and hopefully something will hit the mark.

And in the mean time some poor sods will believe his crap and spread it 
further (and likely get laughed at) ?  Yeah, thats a grand idea.  Not.

> None of you have any clues as to what the topic was about in
> the subject matter.

You mean that advertisement for yet another email provider ? One we can 
really trust ?  Because they say so ?

If you would have followed this thread you could have noticed that several 
people have picked up that "the subject matter" and have posted their doubts 
about it.

But I take it you missed all of that...

Kiddo, at least *try* to get your facts straight before you think about 
complaining about something.   Being able to *that easily* point out how 
misguided(?) your claim is makes you look like a fool.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#16422

Vanguard,

> GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.

Kiddo, if you don't know what you are talking about than why don't you just 
keep your mouth shut  ?

No, the GDPR doesn't *require* any form redaction.  However, the 
*registrant* may now require that WHOIS replaces its *way-to-personal* data 
with something less personal (but it still must be valid!).

https://blog.dnsimple.com/2019/04/gdpr-and-whois-privacy/

See "GDPR and Its Impact"

> Trying to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to
> a problem with their web site becomes much more difficult.

If you can't find their contact info *than that is fully the registrants 
choice*.

Also, you're a nice example of only considering your own inconveniencing, 
and being /absolutily blind/ to the "inconveniencing" (understatement here) 
of the registrants which have been contacted (snail-mail, email, physical) 
by spammers of all kinds and levels on their own home adresses.

> Yeah, they want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but
> the registrant wants to hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!

Challenge : go find a gouverment-mandated publicly accessible storage of the 
personal contact data of, for example, the management of the big 
brick-and-mortar stores (in your neighbourhood or otherwise).   Those stores 
are rather public too, right ?


Bottom line, you flap your jaw quite a bit, but all that you are showing us 
is that you are a screamer, not knowing the first thing of what you complain 
about -- and rather obviously having no interrest in looking at something 
from more than one, your own, POV.

In short kid, you're willfully stupid.


And not to be rubbing your face in it (yeah, right :-) ), but why are *you*, 
in these very public newsgroups, hiding behind a made-up name (and a 
going-who-knows-where (if anywhere) email) ?   Where is *your* personal data 
?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#16423

Vanguard,

> GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.

Kiddo, if you don't know what you are talking about than why don't you just 
keep your mouth shut  ?

No, the GDPR doesn't *require* any form redaction.  However, the 
*registrant* may now require that WHOIS replaces its *way-to-personal* data 
with something less personal (but it still must be valid!).

https://blog.dnsimple.com/2019/04/gdpr-and-whois-privacy/

See "GDPR and Its Impact"

> Trying to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to
> a problem with their web site becomes much more difficult.

If you can't find their contact info *than that is fully the registrants 
choice*.

Also, you're a nice example of only considering your own inconveniencing, 
and being /absolutily blind/ to the "inconveniencing" (understatement here) 
of the registrants which have been contacted (snail-mail, email, physical) 
by spammers of all kinds and levels on their own home adresses.

> Yeah, they want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but
> the registrant wants to hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!

Challenge : go find a gouverment-mandated publicly accessible storage of the 
personal contact data of, for example, the management of the big 
brick-and-mortar stores (in your neighbourhood or otherwise).   Those stores 
are rather public too, right ?


Bottom line, you flap your jaw quite a bit, but all that you are showing us 
is that you are a screamer, not knowing the first thing of what you complain 
about -- and rather obviously having no interrest in looking at something 
from more than one, your own, POV.

In short kid, you're willfully stupid.


And not to be rubbing your face in it (yeah, right :-) ), but why are *you*, 
in these very public newsgroups, hiding behind a made-up name (and a 
going-who-knows-where (if anywhere) email) ?   Where is *your* personal data 
?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#16401

I'm cutting the fucking crosspost to groups in which this discussion is
off topic. Just because our dear constantly-morphing "author" of the
root article -- no, he wrote nothing -- is seeking attention, I don't
have to play along. It's barely on topic in the Thunderbird newsgroup,
just because the project is being done by the Thunderbird team at Mozilla.

The discussion should have taken place in comp.mail.misc or some other
group for server discussion, but let's continue it in the Thunderbird
group.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>>James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:

>>>... The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g.
>>>your.name@yourdomain.com).

>>Really?

>https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/
>  "The email domain for Thundermail will be Thundermail.com or tb.pro. 
>  Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of 
>  the service."

I read through the blog post.

How the hell did Mozilla come up with there's a need for yet another
file sharing service, and that "sharing a link" is somehow an impediment
to file sharing?

I use Dropbox for cloud storage and file sharing. It's probably the most
popular commercial service. I'm under the limit for a paid account. I
also use MEGA which has higher quotas than Dropbox. Some time back, when
I had a computer crash, I actually exceeded the quota for file transfer
for the free service and converted to the paid service. I could have
completed file transfers under quota for the free service if I'd waited
till it completed over two or three days. The storage capacity I now
have is absurdly large.

Both service offer similar file-sharing techniques. If the subscriber
wants to share a file with a link, he copies the file into a
subdirectory that can allow public access, and then obtains the link.

A subscriber can also share specific directories with other subscribers
by adding privileges or changing ownership, but typically every
subscriber would be using the proprietary client (kids, this is what you
call an "app") and set up a local file tree with comparable levels. With
the client, there's no use of a public subdirectory and no link sharing.

Am I put off from file sharing because I'm not using an integrated suite
of applications and services? No, of course not. But they do offer
features that integrate their file sharing service with other clients.

My computer networking experience goes back to Unix. Xenix and various
System V release 4-based systems, especially Unixware. Never been on a
Berkeley-style Unix, except Sendmail made its way onto non-Berkeley
Unixes. SVR4 used mailsurr instead of sendmail natively. I recall
complications in integrating Majordomo (a list server), meant to be run
on top of Sendmail, with mailsurr.

In any event, I called clients from the command line and typically used
clients that I thought were best for the task at hand. I won't even use
the same client for News and Mail.

There might be a few more commands to issue but it also means I'm not
making mistakes at the speed of a mouse click.

I greatly dislike the graphical user interface of numerous clients,
whether they offer their own GUI or require me to call the browser. If
they have a command, how do I access it, especially these days with the
elimination of drop-down menus? With a suite of applications, there are
numerous commands, the path to which won't be obvious to me.

There's a real benefit to one client that performs one task, even if I
have to call it from the command line.

How odd it is that Mozilla, having removed the ftp client that had been
integrated into Firefox because there was no business case for
continuing to support it, now wants to offer cloud-based file sharing
service to which they'll have to devote far more resources to compete
against commercial services that most people using them think that they
get it right, thinks there is a market to exploit.

I doubt that very much.

I did sign up for the invitation. I think that using "Thunderbird Pro"
to market services Mozilla wants to offer will confuse everybody, and
that they should have used a different name. I want to see what the
mailboxes will cost as I'm not entirely happy with email services I'm
using for some of my domains.

Right now, I don't have an easy way to send bulk email to contacts. Yes,
many of the mailing lists I use are opt-in, but that's inappropriate for
business contacts. I'm not sending unsolicited commercial mail. If a
business contact has told me he doesn't want to receive bulk email
messages, I control that with a true/false field in the database.

I write my own databases and don't require contact management suites
either, but I doubt Mozilla would offer this.

I have a feeling that Mozilla isn't offering a maling list server, since
I had to subscribe to a Mailchimp mailing list. Mailchimp makes it
impossible to send plain text email with no HTML alternative part.

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#16408

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> I'm cutting the fucking crosspost to groups in which this discussion is
> off topic. Just because our dear constantly-morphing "author" of the
> root article -- no, he wrote nothing -- is seeking attention, I don't
> have to play along. It's barely on topic in the Thunderbird newsgroup,
> just because the project is being done by the Thunderbird team at Mozilla.

Except the discussion is NOT about Thunderbird, but about an e-mail
*service*, and the other newsgroups *do* discuss e-mail (clients and
services) on those OS platforms as well as other programs that run
there.  Anyone running any e-mail clients on those platforms could use
Thundermail, just like they could use any e-mail client to use Gmail,
Hotmail/Outlook/Live.com, iCloud (Apple), Proton, Zoho, etc.

Since e-mail is also done on Linux, Android, iOS/Apple, and other
platforms, the cross-posting to relevant newsgroups would be excessive,
plus the OP probably has experience only with Windows.

> The discussion should have taken place in comp.mail.misc or some other
> group for server discussion, but let's continue it in the Thunderbird
> group.

Thanks for that.  I was thinking there should be an e-mail newsgroup.
Alas, comp.mail.misc is a nearly dead newsgroup: 1 thread this year, so
far.  After seeing that, I did not bother to subscribe to that
newsgroup.  Very little shows up there.  

Any suggestions for a more active general newsgroup that discusses just
e-mail services, and where postings there aren't effectively hidden?

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#16388

James <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

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> At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, 
> eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience 
> similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new 
> Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using 
> your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
> 
> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from 
> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your 
> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and 
> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
> 
> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
> 
> <https://thundermail.com/>

While it is free for now, I can't see how Mozilla could continue
offering this as a free service when they lose the Google payout which
is about 97% of their current revenue.

Users have noted that Thundermail gets "stuck" (clients cannot see nor
retrieve new e-mails) if many incoming e-mails show up at once.  Users
have to delete some e-mails (probably using a webmail client) before the
service for their account gets unstuck.

Currently you cannot just enlist in Thundermail.  You have to send a
request for a invite to their beta program.  This is like how Gmail
first had you request an invite to use that service.  I don't know the
rate of acceptance, so don't expect an immediate invite just because you
requested enrollment into their beta test.

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/
"So here is the plan: at the beginning, there will be paid subscription
plans at a few different tiers. Once we have a sufficiently strong base
of paying users to sustainably support our services, we plan to
introduce a limited free tier to the public."

Hmm, a limited free tier.  They don't delineate just how the free tier
will be crippled.  Could be quota limits, like how many inbound e-mails
are allowed per day, how many you can send per day, and how big the
e-mails (received and sent) can be.  And there's no free tier unless
they get enough paying member to sustain the cost of their service.  You
might get into their beta test phase, but when it's no longer beta then
you'll have to pay, or wait until they offer a free tier.

Thunderbird Pro is a bundle of enhanced Thunderbird, and Mozilla's
services (file sharing aka Send, calendar, scheduling), so it won't be
free, either, or there will be a free tier with crippled services, but
again when Mozilla has enough paying customers to sustain their services
at a free tier.

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#16392

James wrote:
> At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, 
> eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience 
> similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new 
> Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using 
> your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
> 
> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from 
> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your 
> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and 
> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
> 
> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
> 
> <https://thundermail.com/>

"Thundermail is a web-based email service built on the open-source
Stalwart stack. It offers @thundermail.com or @tb.pro email addresses
and allows the use of custom domains for advanced users. Thundermail is
designed to never use your data for ads or AI training, nor sell your
information"

Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist. Otherwise, I
prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP) so that I can read
it when I'm offline. As for those two last claims, I'm with Ed Cryer on
that.

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#16419

On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 03:45:09 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist. Otherwise, I
>prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP) so that I can read
>it when I'm offline.

I've been using IMAP for decades and two things are true:
- my email is downloaded to my PCs and my phone
- my email is still available when I'm offline

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#16421

Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist.
>> Otherwise, I prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP)
>> so that I can read it when I'm offline.
> 
> I've been using IMAP for decades and two things are true:
> - my email is downloaded to my PCs and my phone
> - my email is still available when I'm offline

Some e-mail clients will allow, or default to, locally caching an IMAP
store.  That allows offline viewing of received messages.  For Tbird,
local caching is tied to the "Synchronization and Storage" settings.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/imap-synchronization
See the pic on the per-account "Synchronization and Storage" settings.

Even if you configure to retrieve headers only when Tbird polls the
account, anytime you click on a message then Tbird connects to the
server to retrieve the body of the message, and it gets locally cached.
However, if both Tbird and the IMAP server use IMAP PUSH, then the
server pushes a new message to Tbird, and it is cached locally.  

<account> -> Server settings -> Advanced -> Use IDLE command if server
supports it

When an IMAP client connects to an IMAP server, the server responds with
a keyword string.  If "IMAP IDLE" is in the keyword string, the IMAP
server supports IMAP PUSH (PUSH requires IDLE).  If you do not want to
have new e-mails immediately pushed into your IMAP client, like you
don't want them locally cached because you configured to retrieve
headers only, then disable the "Allow immediate server notifications
when new messages arrive" setting, "Use IDLE", or whatever it is called
now.  Just remember that you still get the headers for new messages, and
clicking on them gets them retrieved and locally cached.

IMAP supports PUSH/IDLE to immediately retrieve messages newly arrived
at the server in your account.  It can still use polling at fixed
intervals.  POP only does polling, so you wait until the next mail poll
to get new messages, or you keep hitting some refresh/poll key or button
in the client trying to get new messages while not waiting as long.

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#16393

In article <vu3goq$34cae$1@paganini.bofh.team>, invalid@invalid.invalid 
says...
>
>At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, 
>eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience 
>similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new 
>Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using 
>your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
>
>there�s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla�s email service from 
>competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn�t going to use your 
>messages to train AI, it�s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and 
>it�s not going to harvest and sell your data.
>
>You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
>
><https://thundermail.com/>

Any info on what sort of spam filtering they might offer?
(Dealbreaker for me...)

-- 
--
Phil, London

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#16399

It happens that James formulated :
> At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, 
> eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience 
> similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new 
> Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using 
> your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
>
> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s 
> email service from  competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t 
> going to use your  messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your 
> inbox with ads, and  it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
>
> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
>
> <https://thundermail.com/>

GMail appeared for the first time around 2005, ~20 years ago.
As of today there're thousands of thousands of mail service providers
all around the globe and of all sizes, ages, skin colors, with ketchup
or without, etc.

To whom is behind the idea of having an additional mail service 
provider
on the market I would ask:

What is the need to have an additional one?
What will Thundermail offer that other mail providers currently don't?

I'm sure this effort is not done because of users' data. Isn't that?

Eudora?, where are you?


-- 
Roberto
(Dash)

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#16416

On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote:

> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
> 
> <https://thundermail.com/>

Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)

-- 
Rob
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational 
in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary 
to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7

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#16417

On 23/04/2025 00:15, Robert wrote:
> On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote:
> 
>> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
>>
>> <https://thundermail.com/>
> 
> Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)
> 

It's already released :)

<https://www.bettermail.com/>

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#16418

On 2025-04-22 4:49 p.m., NZ Rules OK wrote:
> On 23/04/2025 00:15, Robert wrote:
>> On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote:
>>
>>> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
>>>
>>> <https://thundermail.com/>
>>
>> Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)
>>
> 
> It's already released :)
> 
> <https://www.bettermail.com/>
> 

Auē!  Aotearoa tuatahi.

Kia ora.

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#16430

NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Robert wrote:
>
>> James wrote:
>> 
>>> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
>>> <https://thundermail.com/>
>> 
>> Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)
> 
> It's already released :)
> <https://www.bettermail.com/>

Not free, but then neither will be Thundermail.

https://www.bettermail.com/pricing/

"Send email to thousands within minutes".  They're oriented to customers
that want to do bulk mailing, like spammers, and marketfolk.

BetterMail and Betterbird are not affiliated to each other.

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