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  It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-10-19 02:23 +0000
    Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. frg <frgrahl@gmx.net> - 2025-10-19 14:09 +0200
      Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. "David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2025-10-19 09:45 -0700
        Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-10-20 05:12 +0000
          Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. frg <frgrahl@gmx.net> - 2025-10-20 12:11 +0200
            Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. David H Durgee <dhdurgee@privacy.net> - 2025-10-20 12:05 -0600
          Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2025-10-20 12:12 +0200
            Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
              Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov.invalid> - 2025-10-20 21:43 +0200
    Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. Yuchan Seo <hexagonwin@disroot.org> - 2025-10-26 03:07 +0900
      Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-10-27 01:06 +0000
        Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. Jack Kreidler <kreidlerjw@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 00:03 -0500
          Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-10-27 21:29 +0000
        Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. Yuchan Seo <hexagonwin@disroot.org> - 2025-10-28 08:13 +0900
    Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-11-13 18:30 +0000
      Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-11-13 18:09 -0600
        Re: It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-14 19:43 +1100

#8002 — It's sure getting harder to use SM for web browsing these days.

Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :( 
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#8005

Ant wrote:
> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
> 

Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi as a 
second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi is the 
most suite like.

FRG

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#8007

On 10/19/2025 5:09 AM, frg wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
>>
> 
> Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi as a 
> second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi is the 
> most suite like.
> 
> FRG
> 

Whatever is done to fix this, PLEASE keep the ability to have .xpi-type
extensions.

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Some Republican officials have denounced the assassination
of Charlie Kirk as a conspiracy by liberal Democrats.  Why
then is the attempted kidnapping of the Democrat governor
of Michigan, the shooting of a Democrat state senator of
Minnesota, and the assassination of the Democrat speaker
of the Minnesota state assembly not denounced as a
conservative Republican conspiracy?

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#8008

David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/19/2025 5:09 AM, frg wrote:
> > Ant wrote:
> >> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
> >>
> > 
> > Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi as a 
> > second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi is the 
> > most suite like.
> > 
> > FRG
> > 

> Whatever is done to fix this, PLEASE keep the ability to have .xpi-type
> extensions.

Is Vivaldi based on Mozilla's engines?
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#8009

Ant wrote:
> David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2025 5:09 AM, frg wrote:
>>> Ant wrote:
>>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi as a
>>> second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi is the
>>> most suite like.
>>>
>>> FRG
>>>
> 
>> Whatever is done to fix this, PLEASE keep the ability to have .xpi-type
>> extensions.
> 
> Is Vivaldi based on Mozilla's engines?
> 

No but it is the only Chromium browser I know which you can configure with an 
OS theme and traditional layout including a status bar. AFter Manifest V3 
enforcement will need to re evaluate but not now.

https://ibb.co/xKkkyNj7

The wip branch when I made it to work with optional chaining will unbreak lots 
of stuff but you need another browser for the forseeable future. Too much js 
and css junk in the pipeline for a small team and looking at the state of 
mozilla central I am not a fan by a mile. Now with AI and lets see when we can 
do another logo and branding change... :)


FRG

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#8013

frg wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2025 5:09 AM, frg wrote:
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these 
>>>>> days. :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi 
>>>> as a
>>>> second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi 
>>>> is the
>>>> most suite like.
>>>>
>>>> FRG
>>>>
>>
>>> Whatever is done to fix this, PLEASE keep the ability to have .xpi-type
>>> extensions.
>>
>> Is Vivaldi based on Mozilla's engines?
>>
> 
> No but it is the only Chromium browser I know which you can configure 
> with an OS theme and traditional layout including a status bar. AFter 
> Manifest V3 enforcement will need to re evaluate but not now.
> 
> https://ibb.co/xKkkyNj7
> 
> The wip branch when I made it to work with optional chaining will 
> unbreak lots of stuff but you need another browser for the forseeable 
> future. Too much js and css junk in the pipeline for a small team and 
> looking at the state of mozilla central I am not a fan by a mile. Now 
> with AI and lets see when we can do another logo and branding change... :)
> 
> 
> FRG

I follow Elon Musk on X and have seen a lot of mention there about Grok 
Code as the top resource for AI coding.  Could use of Grok Code help 
make you more productive by allowing you to delegate the drudge work of 
ensuring you don't break anything while improving SeaMonkey's engine?

Dave

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#8010

Ant wrote:
> David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/19/2025 5:09 AM, frg wrote:
>>> Ant wrote:
>>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi as a
>>> second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi is the
>>> most suite like.
>>>
>>> FRG
>>>
> 
>> Whatever is done to fix this, PLEASE keep the ability to have .xpi-type
>> extensions.
> 
> Is Vivaldi based on Mozilla's engines?
> 

No, it is Chromium based.

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#8012

On 2025-10-20, R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:

> Ant wrote:
>
>> David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/19/2025 5:09 AM, frg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
>>>>
>>>> Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi as a
>>>> second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi is the
>>>> most suite like.
>>> 
>>> Whatever is done to fix this, PLEASE keep the ability to have .xpi-type
>>> extensions.
>> 
>> Is Vivaldi based on Mozilla's engines?
>
> No, it is Chromium based.

How safe is Chromium as compared to Chrome?  I'm trying to keep my
life as Google-free as possible.

Currently I fall back to Firefox for sites that Seamonkey can't
handle.  But I don't like it.  It was changes in the user interface
in Firefox 29 that made me switch to Seamonkey in the first place.
Do people recommend Vivaldi as a non-Google, non-Firefox alternative?

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#8016

Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-10-20, R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
> 
>> Ant wrote:
>>
>>> David E. Ross <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/19/2025 5:09 AM, frg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't help it. No help from more devs no fast updates. I use Vivaldi as a
>>>>> second browser. Even Firefox now stumbles on a few sites and Vivaldi is the
>>>>> most suite like.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever is done to fix this, PLEASE keep the ability to have .xpi-type
>>>> extensions.
>>>
>>> Is Vivaldi based on Mozilla's engines?
>>
>> No, it is Chromium based.
> 
> How safe is Chromium as compared to Chrome?  I'm trying to keep my
> life as Google-free as possible.
> 
> Currently I fall back to Firefox for sites that Seamonkey can't
> handle.  But I don't like it.  It was changes in the user interface
> in Firefox 29 that made me switch to Seamonkey in the first place.
> Do people recommend Vivaldi as a non-Google, non-Firefox alternative?
> 

Chromium is the Google engine.

The Brave browser - https://brave.com/ - is also Chromium based, but is 
probably the most secure variant around.  I'm not particularly keen on 
some of the decisions they made, but I keep it around for the rare cases 
where Firefox fails me (and I have FF for the cases where Seamonkey 
slips up).

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#8025

Ant wrote:
> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
> 
about a week late to the conversation but anyway,
i'm using old reddit and it still seems to work well. are you having 
issues with the login?

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#8030

Yuchan Seo <hexagonwin@disroot.org> wrote:
> Ant wrote:
> > Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
> > 
> about a week late to the conversation but anyway,
> i'm using old reddit and it still seems to work well. are you having 
> issues with the login?

Yeah. https://old.reddit.com/login/?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2F is mostly blank. I had to use Firefox.
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#8031

Ant wrote:
> Yuchan Seo <hexagonwin@disroot.org> wrote:
>> Ant wrote:
>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
>>>
>> about a week late to the conversation but anyway,
>> i'm using old reddit and it still seems to work well. are you having
>> issues with the login?
> 
> Yeah. https://old.reddit.com/login/?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2F is mostly blank. I had to use Firefox.
> 
the greasemonkey script at 
https://update.greasyfork.org/scripts/494004/oldredditcom%20login%20form%20redirection%20fix.user.js 
adds the login form to the old reddit home page, after you're logged in 
you can disable the script until/unless you need to log in again.

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JWKREID

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#8033

Jack Kreidler <kreidlerjw@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ant wrote:
> > Yuchan Seo <hexagonwin@disroot.org> wrote:
> >> Ant wrote:
> >>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
> >>>
> >> about a week late to the conversation but anyway,
> >> i'm using old reddit and it still seems to work well. are you having
> >> issues with the login?
> > 
> > Yeah. https://old.reddit.com/login/?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2F is mostly blank. I had to use Firefox.
> > 
> the greasemonkey script at 
> https://update.greasyfork.org/scripts/494004/oldredditcom%20login%20form%20redirection%20fix.user.js 
> adds the login form to the old reddit home page, after you're logged in 
> you can disable the script until/unless you need to log in again.

Thanks. I am just going to use Firefox since I use http://new.reddit.com more these days due to new features.
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#8034

Ant wrote:
> Yuchan Seo <hexagonwin@disroot.org> wrote:
>> Ant wrote:
>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
>>>
>> about a week late to the conversation but anyway,
>> i'm using old reddit and it still seems to work well. are you having
>> issues with the login?
> 
> Yeah. https://old.reddit.com/login/?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2F is mostly blank. I had to use Firefox.
> 
This userscript I made also works well 
http://ftp.z80.kr/www-mods/userjs/Old%20Reddit%20Login.user.js
i guess someone might find it useful

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#8144

Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :( 

"tech.slashdot.org
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
tech.slashdot.org needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding."

Getting more of these on various web sites like on /. (when moderating 
and commenting today), Disqus, etc. :(

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#8146

Ant wrote on 11/13/2025 12:30 PM:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these days. :(
> 
> "tech.slashdot.org
> Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
> tech.slashdot.org needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding."
> 
> Getting more of these on various web sites like on /. (when moderating
> and commenting today), Disqus, etc. :(
> 

Yes Ant.  We've all noticed.  And it's getting worse day by day.

Since you're really tight with the LORD,  maybe you could ask HIM to 
assist the poor guys doing their best to keep seamonkey working.

Clearly, Mozilla won't help.  At this point, it is up to the christian 
Gods. Please ask Him to help. He may hear you louder than us heathens. 
Don't be afraid. God hasn't smote anybody for thousands of years.

These modern days, the worst god does is simply ignore you, as if He 
doesn't really exist.  Or maybe He is just hiding from us.

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#8147

On 14/11/2025 11:09 am, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Ant wrote on 11/13/2025 12:30 PM:
>> Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>>> Reddit, LinkedIn, Disqus, etc. I have to use Firefox more these 
>>> days. :(
>> 
>> "tech.slashdot.org Verifying you are human. This may take a few 
>> seconds. tech.slashdot.org needs to review the security of your 
>> connection before proceeding."
>> 
>> Getting more of these on various web sites like on /. (when 
>> moderating and commenting today), Disqus, etc. :(
> 
> Yes Ant.  We've all noticed.  And it's getting worse day by day.
> 
> Since you're really tight with the LORD,  maybe you could ask HIM to 
> assist the poor guys doing their best to keep seamonkey working.
> 
> Clearly, Mozilla won't help.  At this point, it is up to the 
> christian Gods.

"christian Gods"?? But there *IS* only one Christian God .... but then
you have God, the Father. God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit
(The Holy Ghost) .... but then they are "Three Gods in One"!!

Oh, the Nuns would be sooooo happy!

> Please ask Him to help. He may hear you louder than us heathens. 
> Don't be afraid. God hasn't smote anybody for thousands of years.
> 
> These modern days, the worst god does is simply ignore you, as if He 
> doesn't really exist.  Or maybe He is just hiding from us.
-- 
Daniel70

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