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  Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-04-30 00:54 -0400
    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-30 01:00 -0500
      Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-04-30 02:24 -0400
        Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-30 07:53 +0100
          Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-30 08:18 -0700
          Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-01 02:24 -0400
            Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-05-01 09:25 +0200
              Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-01 04:39 -0400
            Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-01 12:35 +0100
              Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-01 11:47 -0400
            Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-01 16:31 +0000
              Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-01 14:48 -0400
                Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-02 17:26 +0000
                  Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-03 04:38 -0400
                    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-03 19:02 +0000
                      Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-04 02:28 -0400
            Re: Firefox bad design decisions? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 14:13 -0500
              Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-02 03:26 -0400
                Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-02 08:30 +0100
                Re: Firefox bad design decisions? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 05:16 -0500
                  Re: Firefox bad design decisions? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 05:18 -0500
                    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-03 04:38 -0400
                      Re: Firefox bad design decisions? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-03 13:05 -0500
                        Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-04 03:46 -0400
                  Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-03 04:38 -0400
        Re: Firefox bad design decisions? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-30 04:45 -0500
        Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-04-30 21:11 +1000
    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:48 -0700
    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2025-04-30 16:15 +0000
    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-30 10:18 -0700
    Re: Firefox bad design decisions? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-30 20:00 +0000
      Re: Firefox bad design decisions? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2025-04-30 21:26 +0000
        Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-01 02:36 -0400
          Re: Firefox bad design decisions? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-01 16:12 +0000
          Re: Firefox bad design decisions? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 13:49 -0500
    Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 00:04 +0000
      Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions? Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2025-05-01 02:39 -0400
        Re: Firefox “bad” design decisions? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-05-01 09:52 +0200

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#13210 — Firefox bad design decisions?

What is wrong with Firefox developers always making bad design decisions?

Firefox: 
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close multiple tabs
(3) Left click on close other tabs

A user-friendly efficient browser: {Pale Moon}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

A user-friendly efficient browser: {SRWare Iron}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

A user-friendly efficient browser: {Sea Monkey}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Ice Dragon}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Epic}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Opera}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Chromium}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Brave}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Ice Weasel}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Iridium}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Vivaldi}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Another user-friendly efficient browser: {Microsoft Edge}
(1) Right click on any tab
(2) Left click on close other tabs

Is there any way to get Firefox to be more user friendly?

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#13211

Originally posted to:  alt.comp.software.fireox
                       alt.comp.os.windows-11
Not a Windows 11 issue.

Changed newsgroups to: alt.comp.software.firefox

Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:

> What is wrong with Firefox developers always making bad design decisions?
> 
> Firefox: 
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close multiple tabs
> (3) Left click on close other tabs
> 
> A user-friendly efficient browser: {Pale Moon}
> (1) Right click on any tab
> (2) Left click on close other tabs
<and procedes to duplicate the mousing sequence for other web browsers>

Depends on whether the user wants a flat context menu that keeps getting
longer and longer until eventually part of the context menu is offscreen
and unusable for that portion.  Or the user wants cascading entries
(menus) in the context menu.

I've used many programs that add shell extensions to File Explorer, and
they add their entries at the root level of the context menu.  The
result is a noisy, messy, and overly long (and perhaps truncated)
context menu.  When I right-click, I would prefer a context menu that
groups shell extensions by the program that added it.  For example, I
have Peazip installed.  It adds its context menu entry.  However,
instead of dumping 9, or more, entries at the root level of the context
menu to make it overly long, and more difficult to focus on entries just
for Peazip, it adds 1 context menu entry for Peazip to cascade into the
9 entries just for Peazip.

My bookmarks in Firefox, and other web browsers that I use, is also
hierarchical (aka cascaded aka treed).  I use bookmark folders to group
bookmarks, and even have bookmark folders under bookmark folders.  If
bookmarks were flattened to one long list, they would be too hard to
use.  Would take too long to find a bookmark in the multiple columns to
show them all, or you'd have to remember the keywords you assigned to
all your bookmarks to avoid drilling through a messy bookmarks list.

No matter which schema you prefer - flat or hierarchical - someone else
won't like it.  If everyone did it the same way, there would be only one
web browser.

> Is there any way to get Firefox to be more user friendly?

You're asking if there is an option to flatten all menues in Firefox.
Probably, and very likely, not.  That's at the chrome (small "c") level
when coding the program.  Even the programmers for all those other web
browsers were also making their own choice, not yours.

You could voice your opinion to the developers by opening ticket at
bugzilla.mozilla.org.  However, you'll probably have to come up with
documentation on how they should modify their chrome for all menuing,
not just the one example you cited, and how to present the option to
modify the menus, or select from pre-defined themes of menuing.

Vivaldi is a highly customizable web browser, but I don't know if it
lets you modify the menues how you want.  I did find:

https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/appearance-customization/customize-application-and-context-menus/

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#13212

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 01:00:45 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> Depends on whether the user wants a flat context menu that keeps getting
> longer and longer until eventually part of the context menu is offscreen
> and unusable for that portion.  Or the user wants cascading entries
> (menus) in the context menu.

When almost every web browser has it in two steps while Firefox was the
only browsers I could find that made it three steps, the choice is clear.

> I've used many programs that add shell extensions to File Explorer, and
> they add their entries at the root level of the context menu. 

That's kind of what I'm hoping to find. Something that makes Firefox close
all but the one tab in less than three steps, given you do it a lot.

> No matter which schema you prefer - flat or hierarchical - someone else
> won't like it.  If everyone did it the same way, there would be only one
> web browser.

I'm fine if it would be user customizable given all other web browsers I
had tested do in two steps what Firefox takes three steps to do it.

>> Is there any way to get Firefox to be more user friendly?
> 
> You're asking if there is an option to flatten all menues in Firefox.

Not to flatten all menus. Just to expose the "close all other tabs" menu.

> Probably, and very likely, not.  That's at the chrome (small "c") level
> when coding the program.  Even the programmers for all those other web
> browsers were also making their own choice, not yours.

I'm assuming the reason all browsers except Firefox close the tabs in fewer
steps than Firefox does is because it's something that you do a lot.

> You could voice your opinion to the developers by opening ticket at
> bugzilla.mozilla.org.  However, you'll probably have to come up with
> documentation on how they should modify their chrome for all menuing,
> not just the one example you cited, and how to present the option to
> modify the menus, or select from pre-defined themes of menuing.
> 
> Vivaldi is a highly customizable web browser, but I don't know if it
> lets you modify the menues how you want.  I did find:
> https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/appearance-customization/customize-application-and-context-menus/

Vivaldi already does it the same way all browsers but Firefox do it.

Do you think there's a Firefox extension for "user friendly menus"?

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#13214

Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> Wrote in message:
> ...
> When almost every web browser has it in two steps while Firefox was the
> only browsers I could find that made it three steps, the choice is clear.
> 
Yes, I sometimes want to close _all_ other tabs, so an extra click
 is mildly irritating. 

But your subject line implies this is one of many such bad UX
 decisions. Maybe it was just one designer who didn't think
 anybody did that. I suggest you raise an RFC.

It could probably be done in one click by an addon. Maybe somebody
 has written one.
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#13220

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 07:53:07 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Dave Royal
<dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:

>Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> Wrote in message:
>> ...
>> When almost every web browser has it in two steps while Firefox was the
>> only browsers I could find that made it three steps, the choice is clear.
>> 
>Yes, I sometimes want to close _all_ other tabs, so an extra click
> is mildly irritating. 

So really A First World Problem.

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#13239

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 07:53:07 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Dave Royal wrote:
> Yes, I sometimes want to close _all_ other tabs, so an extra click
>  is mildly irritating.  
> But your subject line implies this is one of many such bad UX
>  decisions. Maybe it was just one designer who didn't think
>  anybody did that. I suggest you raise an RFC.
> 
> It could probably be done in one click by an addon. Maybe somebody
>  has written one.

You do it a hundred times a day. 
Every other web browser but Firefox makes it a clean & simple step.
Just not Firefox. 

For Firefox to be the only browser that makes it an extra hundred steps
daily, makes Firefox not as user friendly as every other browser is.

But I'm not complaining - it is what it is. It's clear the developers never
used Firefox in daily use so they don't even realize it's so annoying.

All I'm asking for is a way to fix the bad-design problem, that's all.
It's annoying when you use multiple browsers and only Firefox is different.

But worse, it's a hundred more clicks which never should have been needed.

Since it's so annoying to have to do this every day a hundred times a day,
I figured someone on this newsgroup would already have fixed the problem.

Two people already suggested a fix so I will try the fixes suggested.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-all-tabs-webextension/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-other-tabs-menu/

Thanks!

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#13242

Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 07:53:07 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Dave Royal wrote:
>> Yes, I sometimes want to close _all_ other tabs, so an extra click
>>  is mildly irritating.  
>> But your subject line implies this is one of many such bad UX
>>  decisions. Maybe it was just one designer who didn't think
>>  anybody did that. I suggest you raise an RFC.
>> 
>> It could probably be done in one click by an addon. Maybe somebody
>>  has written one.
> 
> You do it a hundred times a day. 
> Every other web browser but Firefox makes it a clean & simple step.
> Just not Firefox. 

"a hundred times a day" you close other tabs in Firefox.
And listed 12 other browsers who can handle that better.
So why you even use Firefox and not the other dozens?
Simple question.

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#13244

On Thu, 1 May 2025 09:25:58 +0200, Frank Miller wrote:

>> You do it a hundred times a day. 
>> Every other web browser but Firefox makes it a clean & simple step.
>> Just not Firefox. 
> 
> "a hundred times a day" you close other tabs in Firefox.
> And listed 12 other browsers who can handle that better.
> So why you even use Firefox and not the other dozens?
> Simple question.

That's an insightful question which tells us a lot about your approach.
By the way you asked that question it appears you don't ever fix things.

But some people fix things instead of throwing the baby out with the water.

Luckily in this thread Adam H. Kerman suggested working fix for things.
https://github.com/constructor-s/close-other-tabs
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-tabs-right/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-tabs-left/

It fixes Firefox so that Firefox does what every other browser does.
Thank you everyone for this wonderful solution that solves the problem.

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#13246

Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

> You do it a hundred times a day.
I do it once every few months.

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#13248

On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:35:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

>> You do it a hundred times a day.
> I do it once every few months.

Then you use Firefox different than I do. 
But if nobody needed it, the other browsers wouldn't have put it there.

Here's just one thing I do with a browser every day many times a day.
I search.

May I ask how do you search?

Here's how I generally run a search.
(1) Let's say I need to learn more about "Large Ajax Widgets"
(2) I bring up google in a browser & type "large ajax widgets"
(3) I press (Control) and left click on any interesting finds
(4) That brings up as many tabs as I feel I need to explore

Each search result will be different but all end up with extra tabs.
At some point you don't need all the extra tabs but you do need some.

That's not the only situation, but don't you run searches every day?

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#13251

On Thu, 1 May 2025 02:24:27 -0400, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 07:53:07 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Dave Royal wrote:
>> Yes, I sometimes want to close _all_ other tabs, so an extra click
>>  is mildly irritating.
>> But your subject line implies this is one of many such bad UX
>>  decisions. Maybe it was just one designer who didn't think anybody did
>>  that. I suggest you raise an RFC.
>> 
>> It could probably be done in one click by an addon. Maybe somebody
>>  has written one.
> 
> You do it a hundred times a day.

The only times I've wanted to close a lot of tabs was soon after FF 
included a PDF viewer. There was a bug with which some PDFs would open a 
new tab about every 500ms and I couldn't close them as fast as more would 
open. Its now been a few years since that happened.

[snip]

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I am not a number. I am a free man." -- No. 6

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#13253

On 01 May 2025 16:31:21 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:

>> You do it a hundred times a day.
> 
> The only times I've wanted to close a lot of tabs was soon after FF 
> included a PDF viewer. There was a bug with which some PDFs would open a 
> new tab about every 500ms and I couldn't close them as fast as more would 
> open. Its now been a few years since that happened.

You never run google searches?

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#13269

On Thu, 1 May 2025 14:48:59 -0400, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

> On 01 May 2025 16:31:21 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> 
>>> You do it a hundred times a day.
>> 
>> The only times I've wanted to close a lot of tabs was soon after FF
>> included a PDF viewer. There was a bug with which some PDFs would open
>> a new tab about every 500ms and I couldn't close them as fast as more
>> would open. Its now been a few years since that happened.
> 
> You never run google searches?

What do Google searches have to do with closing a lot of tabs (other than 
trying to find a good way to do so)?

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"A man cannot be happy who believes in hell, any more than he can
sweeten his coffee with a pickle." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible
Worth Reading And Other Essays_]

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#13283

On 02 May 2025 17:26:45 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:

>> You never run google searches?
> 
> What do Google searches have to do with closing a lot of tabs (other than 
> trying to find a good way to do so)?

If you ask that question, then I begin to wonder if you understand the
problem set, which may explain why you said the things that you said.

The way I do a google search is the left-most tab (which is often the only
tab at the start of the search process) gets the google search terms.

Then I controlclick on interesting links, each of which opens a separate
tab which itself is preloaded without me needing to focus on that tab.

Each search will result in a different number of tabs, but a score of tabs
is pretty common so let's just use 20 tabs for the purpose of this count.

Notice you have 20 tabs, all of which are populated, which you haven't
clicked on yet. Then, one by one, you click on the 20 tabs to read them.

In the end, you can often discard almost all but one tab, which may be
anywhere in the list, where a simple right click on that tab brings down a
menu which (with the Firefox extension we added) allows you to choose from
 "Close Other Tabs"
 "Close Tabs to the Left"
 "Close Tabs to the Right"

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#13288

On Sat, 3 May 2025 04:38:45 -0400, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

> On 02 May 2025 17:26:45 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> 
>>> You never run google searches?
>> 
>> What do Google searches have to do with closing a lot of tabs (other
>> than trying to find a good way to do so)?
> 
> If you ask that question, then I begin to wonder if you understand the
> problem set, which may explain why you said the things that you said.

One problem I don't have is understanding that people do things 
differently. I normally close each tab after opening it and reading that 
page.

Note that I an NOT saying your way is wrong. I just said I don't do it 
that way.

[snip]

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The foolish renounce this world and pursue an imaginary world to come."
-- Giordano Bruno (1548-1600), Italian philosopher

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#13299

On 03 May 2025 19:02:46 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:

>> If you ask that question, then I begin to wonder if you understand the
>> problem set, which may explain why you said the things that you said.
> 
> One problem I don't have is understanding that people do things 
> differently. I normally close each tab after opening it and reading that 
> page.

You bring up a classic dichotomy in Firefox workflows in that you appear to
primarily require a simpler workset, such that you seem surprised by the
differences in the comparison of your search results and those of mine.

For lack of a better term, there are simple searches & not so simple ones.

For a simple question, such Queen Elizabeth II's DOB, or where is London,
or who won the 1994 World Series, you often may only need one direct hit.

But for a more nuanced search result, such as what on earth was Admiral
Kurita thinking when his 18-inch dreadnoughts were scared off by puny
5-inch escorts, you're not going to be happy with a single data source.

Instead, you'd be engaged in a process of information gathering,
comparison, and synthesis across several sources to form your own
understanding. You might think of these tabs collectively as contributing
to your "research set" for that particular question.

The key difference is the nature of the question. Factual queries with
singular, agreed-upon answers can often be resolved with a single strong
result. Complex, interpretive questions require a broader exploration of
information and perspectives.

Your searches appear to be primarily of the former single-source category,
while mine are typically of the latter multi-source dataset, I guess. 

Ultimately, the complexity of the query dictates the complexity of the
search such that our different search styles simply reflect our different
information needs which dictated why our browsing habits might diverge.

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#13256

Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 07:53:07 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Dave Royal wrote:
>> Yes, I sometimes want to close _all_ other tabs, so an extra click
>>  is mildly irritating.  
>> But your subject line implies this is one of many such bad UX
>>  decisions. Maybe it was just one designer who didn't think
>>  anybody did that. I suggest you raise an RFC.
>> 
>> It could probably be done in one click by an addon. Maybe somebody
>>  has written one.
> 
> You do it a hundred times a day. 

I do not, and few others do.  *YOU* do, and why it is a nuisance to you.

> But I'm not complaining

Yes, you are.  However, this is a user community.  The devs don't reside
here.  To reach them means you report the "problem" as an RFE (Request
for Enhancement) to flatten the menu to show all tab management actions.

> All I'm asking for is a way to fix the bad-design problem, that's all.

And I provided one via add-on which resolves your nuisance.  You don't
even need to drill into a menu as you do with all those other web
browsers.  Just click on a toolbar button that is always displayed, so
you have the quickest access to the close-other-tabs action that you
(not us) do hundreds of times per day.

By the way, did you know you could select multiple tabs?  Select a tab
you want to keep.  Ctrl+click on another tab you also want to keep, or
Shift+click on another tab to select all of them between.  These are the
same file select shortcuts in File Explorer, and many other programs.
Then use Close Other tabs in the menu.  You keep the selected tabs, but
close all the others.  I would expect the close-other add-on to behave
the same way (close other tabs except the selected ones), but you'll
have to test its behavior with multiple selected tabs.

You might close other tabs hundreds of times per day, but sometimes you
might want to close other tabs but keep more than one.

> Two people already suggested a fix so I will try the fixes suggested.
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-all-tabs-webextension/
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/close-other-tabs-menu/

The first one is what I found (but I don't use it, so it was a blind
recommendation).  Not only does it remove the hundreds of one-extra
clicks you make per day, it eliminates having to click into a menu to
then close other tabs.  

Firefox: click to open menu, click Close Multiple Tabs, and click to
Close Other Tabs.  3 clicks total.  

In all those other web browsers: click to open menu, and click to Close
Other Tabs.  2 clicks.  

In Firefox with this add-on: 1 click on its toolbar button.  

With you doing Close Other Tabs hundreds of times per day: 
- 300 clicks per day with Firefox.
- 200 clicks per day with other web browsers.
- 100 clicks per day with Firefox with the add-on.  

You want to reduce the clicking nuisance, but not as much as you could?

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#13262

On Thu, 1 May 2025 14:13:49 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

>> You do it a hundred times a day. 
> 
> I do not, and few others do.  *YOU* do, and why it is a nuisance to you.

When you run a search for "ACME widgets", how many hits do you get?
How many of those hits do you click on to see if they're what you need?
Then, how do you get rid of the hits which were not useful to your effort?
 
>> But I'm not complaining
> 
> Yes, you are.  However, this is a user community.  The devs don't reside
> here.  To reach them means you report the "problem" as an RFE (Request
> for Enhancement) to flatten the menu to show all tab management actions.

I'm happy. The solution of adding the menus back where every other web
browser that I had tested puts them is a perfect fix to the problem.

>> All I'm asking for is a way to fix the bad-design problem, that's all.
> 
> And I provided one via add-on which resolves your nuisance.  You don't
> even need to drill into a menu as you do with all those other web
> browsers.  Just click on a toolbar button that is always displayed, so
> you have the quickest access to the close-other-tabs action that you
> (not us) do hundreds of times per day.

Do you only use one web browser?
I use plenty.

The tool bar button that I saw was clumsily off to the far right, which is
not where every other web browser puts their right-click tab menus.

There is tremendous efficiency in having all the browsers work the same.

> By the way, did you know you could select multiple tabs?  Select a tab
> you want to keep.  Ctrl+click on another tab you also want to keep, or
> Shift+click on another tab to select all of them between.  These are the
> same file select shortcuts in File Explorer, and many other programs.
> Then use Close Other tabs in the menu.  You keep the selected tabs, but
> close all the others.  I would expect the close-other add-on to behave
> the same way (close other tabs except the selected ones), but you'll
> have to test its behavior with multiple selected tabs.
> 
> You might close other tabs hundreds of times per day, but sometimes you
> might want to close other tabs but keep more than one.

This is a good point of view since the tabs you want to keep after running
a search will be in random order, although the better hits should be first.

Thanks for your help. The problem is now solved now that Firefox works the
same way all the other tested browsers work for closing unneeded tabs.

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#13263

Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

> When you run a search for "ACME widgets", how many hits do you get?
> How many of those hits do you click on to see if they're what you need?
> Then, how do you get rid of the hits which were not useful to your effort?

I don't open all of them in a new tab, those that I do can be closed 
individually when I'm done reading them, or the tab re-used for a new 
search, or a new page I know the URL I want to visit.

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#13266

Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 1 May 2025 14:13:49 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>>> You do it a hundred times a day. 
>> 
>> I do not, and few others do.  *YOU* do, and why it is a nuisance to you.
> 
> When you run a search for "ACME widgets", how many hits do you get?

One at a time.  Even with you clicking on dozens or hundreds of
hyperlinks, YOU can only review then one tab at a time.  You've saved
nothing by opening hundreds of hyperlinks that you only see one at a
time.  So, open one hyperlink to review if it is pertinent, then move
onto the next.

> How many of those hits do you click on to see if they're what you need?

Just one at a time.  I nor you can view hundreds of tabs at once.

> Then, how do you get rid of the hits which were not useful to your effort?

I can close the tab as I'm viewing it for when I decide it is not
pertinent.  Why would you open hundreds of hyperlinks to close them en
masse without reviewing each of them?

> I'm happy. The solution of adding the menus back where every other web
> browser that I had tested puts them is a perfect fix to the problem.

But not as efficient as 1 click on a toolbar button.  You got a solution
on how to flatten a menu, but not on minimizing the clicking that you
lamented about.

> Do you only use one web browser?
> I use plenty.

Currently I use 4: Firefox, Chrome, Brave, and Edge.  But that is during
evaluation.  I have evaluated others, too.  Eventually I'll whittle the
list down to 2: Firefox and some Chrome variant (probably Edge or
Brave).  Even then I expect differences in UI design and feature set.

> The tool bar button that I saw was clumsily off to the far right, which is
> not where every other web browser puts their right-click tab menus.

With the context menu to tabs, it moves to match wherever is the
position of the tab.  It is not a fixed location.  Any marksman will
tell you that it is harder to hit a moving target than a stationary one.

If you don't want to move the mouse around, the add-on lets you hit
Alt+W to activate it to close other tabs.  No mousing at all.

> There is tremendous efficiency in having all the browsers work the same.

Never going to happen.  If all web browsers were the same, there would
be only one web browser.  You got *one* UI change to be the same, not
the web browser to be the same as others.  As I said, Vivaldi is
probably the most configurable, so why not use that?

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