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  Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> - 2025-04-28 15:48 -0400
    Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-04-28 16:06 -0400
      Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-28 16:57 -0400
      Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 Rick <rick@nospam.com> - 2025-04-28 18:32 -0400
        Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> - 2025-04-28 22:04 -0400
    Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 D <J@M> - 2025-04-29 00:10 +0200
      Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2025-05-04 12:47 +0100
        Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 D <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> - 2025-05-04 09:01 -0400
    Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 02:24 -0400
      Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> - 2025-04-29 07:26 -0400
        Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 11:36 -0400
    Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-04-29 15:01 +0100
      Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 D <J@M> - 2025-04-29 17:22 +0200
    Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-29 14:52 +0000
    Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-29 12:34 -0400
    Re: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10 SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> - 2025-04-30 18:03 +0000

#18778 — Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10

For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
work again.
The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
recall.
This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
manual or contact info to try and find out.
Tia for your help!

-- 
SC Tom

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#18779

On 4/28/25 03:48 PM, SCTom wrote:
> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
> work again.
> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
> Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
> I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
> recall.
> This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
> but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
> version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
> manual or contact info to try and find out.
> Tia for your help!
> 
Despite other complaints, I use Thunderbird for both news and emails.

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.8,  Kernel 6.8.0-58-generic
Thunderbird 128.9.2esr, Mozilla Firefox 137.0.2
     Alan K.

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#18781

On 04/28/2025 4:06 PM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 4/28/25 03:48 PM, SCTom wrote:
>> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
>> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
>> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
>> work again.
>> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
>> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>> Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
>> I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
>> recall.
>> This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
>> but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
>> version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
>> manual or contact info to try and find out.
>> Tia for your help!
>>
> Despite other complaints, I use Thunderbird for both news and emails.
>

As Allen K. I have used Thunderbird for both news and emails for a 
couple of decades and never had a problem with Thunderbird's performance.

I have used Firefox for the same period, again no problems with 
performance.

With both, I am not nagged to check Onedrive, or other MS nonsense.

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#18783

On 4/28/2025 4:06 PM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 4/28/25 03:48 PM, SCTom wrote:
>> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
>> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
>> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
>> work again.
>> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
>> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>> Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
>> I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
>> recall.
>> This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
>> but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
>> version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
>> manual or contact info to try and find out.
>> Tia for your help!
>>
> Despite other complaints, I use Thunderbird for both news and emails.
> 

Same here.  I am actually using Betterbird and find I can pretty much do 
everything I did with WLM for both mail and newsgroups.

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#18785

On 28 Apr 2025 18:32, Rick wrote:
> On 4/28/2025 4:06 PM, Alan K. wrote:
>> On 4/28/25 03:48 PM, SCTom wrote:
>>> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
>>> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
>>> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
>>> work again.
>>> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
>>> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>>> Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
>>> I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
>>> recall.
>>> This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
>>> but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
>>> version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
>>> manual or contact info to try and find out.
>>> Tia for your help!
>>>
>> Despite other complaints, I use Thunderbird for both news and emails.
>>
>
> Same here.  I am actually using Betterbird and find I can pretty much do
> everything I did with WLM for both mail and newsgroups.
>
Sounds good! I'll give it a try, and maybe T'Bird.

-- 
SC Tom

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#18782

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:48:25 -0400, SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> wrote:
>Path: news..!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>From: SCTom <anonymous@anon.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11
>Subject: Using Windows Live Mail with Windows 11/10
>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:48:25 -0400
>Message-ID: <vuom2b$1tap$1@dont-email.me>
>Injection-Info: dont-email.me; ..="abuse@eternal-september.org"
>...
>For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
>it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
>been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
>work again.
>The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
>how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
>I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
>recall.
>This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
>but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
>version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
>manual or contact info to try and find out.
>Tia for your help!

this list hasn't been updated, but there wasn't much to choose from after
40tude dialog came along twenty years ago (if it ain't broke don't fix it)

(using Tor Browser 14.5)
http://usenet-fr.yakakwatik.org/newsreaders.html
>1.Introduction
>2.Newsreaders
>   40Tude Dialog (Windows)
>   Betterbird (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   Claws-Mail (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   Evolution (Linux)
>   flnews (Linux, UNIX systems)
>   Gnus (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   Gravity (Windows)
>   MacCafe (macOS)
>   MacSOUP (macOS = 10.14)
>   MesNews (Windows)
>   ModNewsreader (Android and its forks)
>   Pan (Linux)
>   SeaMonkey (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   slrn (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   Sylpheed (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   Thunderbird (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   tin (Linux / Windows / macOS)
>   Xnews (Windows)
>3.References and useful links
[end quote]

i've tested many of these extensively and still prefer 40tude dialog
over any other newsreader, including forte agent; but for "one-click"
newsgroup statistics xananews is also portable and works wonderfully

search: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+live+mail+usenet+newsgroups
& https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+live+mail+usenet+alternative+2025

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#19032

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 00:10:45 +0200 (CEST), D wrote:

Another vote here for 40tude dialog!

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#19035

On Sun, 4 May 2025 12:47:34 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 00:10:45 +0200 (CEST), D wrote:
>
>Another vote here for 40tude dialog!

for reading and archiving plain text, it's still the best newsreader,
comprehensive scoring, also handy for searching server xover headers,
and works great with the popular tor proxies omnimix and tor browser

it works great for occasional posting (where modifying reply headers
comes in handy) but is inconvenient to "save and close draft" unlike
other newsreaders, text editors, word processors, etc., which enable
"save" [ctrl+s] without closing the composition window; afaict there
is no option or setting anywhere in 40tude dialog for reversing this

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#18787

From WLM 12 on Windows 10 Pro (should be in the properties of this top post)
Clean install Windows 10 Pro 22H2, clean install Windows Live Essentials 
2012
  - installation of WLM12, PhotoGallery, Live Writer - nothing else.
Also working on Win11 Pro 24H2(upgraded from Win10 to first release(RTM) 
Windows 11)

WLM 12 on both devices(Win10-11) is configured for nntp EtSept server and a 
private nntp server(n/a to the public)

Troubleshooting methods for a broken WLM12 as well as reinstall or clean 
install methods for W10-11.


Others have covered replacements for news clients.
On my Windows 10-11 devices - alternative news clients installed and 
functional are Thunderbird and SeaMonkey

...w

"SCTom"  wrote in message news:vuom2b$1tap$1@dont-email.me...

For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
work again.
The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.

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#18799

On 29 Apr 2025 02:24, "...winston" wrote:
> From WLM 12 on Windows 10 Pro (should be in the properties of this top post)
> Clean install Windows 10 Pro 22H2, clean install Windows Live Essentials
> 2012
>   - installation of WLM12, PhotoGallery, Live Writer - nothing else.
> Also working on Win11 Pro 24H2(upgraded from Win10 to first release(RTM)
> Windows 11)
>
> WLM 12 on both devices(Win10-11) is configured for nntp EtSept server and a
> private nntp server(n/a to the public)
>
> Troubleshooting methods for a broken WLM12 as well as reinstall or clean
> install methods for W10-11.
>
>
> Others have covered replacements for news clients.
> On my Windows 10-11 devices - alternative news clients installed and
> functional are Thunderbird and SeaMonkey
>
> ...w
>
> "SCTom"  wrote in message news:vuom2b$1tap$1@dont-email.me...
>
> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
> work again.
> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>
>
Thanks for your feedback!

-- 
SC Tom

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#19039

SCTom wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2025 02:24, "...winston" wrote:
>>  From WLM 12 on Windows 10 Pro (should be in the properties of this top post)
>> Clean install Windows 10 Pro 22H2, clean install Windows Live Essentials
>> 2012
>>    - installation of WLM12, PhotoGallery, Live Writer - nothing else.
>> Also working on Win11 Pro 24H2(upgraded from Win10 to first release(RTM)
>> Windows 11)
>>
>> WLM 12 on both devices(Win10-11) is configured for nntp EtSept server and a
>> private nntp server(n/a to the public)
>>
>> Troubleshooting methods for a broken WLM12 as well as reinstall or clean
>> install methods for W10-11.
>>
>>
>> Others have covered replacements for news clients.
>> On my Windows 10-11 devices - alternative news clients installed and
>> functional are Thunderbird and SeaMonkey
>>
>> ...w
>>
>> "SCTom"  wrote in message news:vuom2b$1tap$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
>> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
>> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
>> work again.
>> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
>> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>>
>>
> Thanks for your feedback!
> 

You're welcome.
   A variety of options are available to fix/reinstall/clean install 
WLM12 for use on both Windows 10 and Windows 11.
  - the lack of support for WLM12 ended shortly after its final release 
in 2012, well before both RTM releases of Win10/11(i.e. support ended in 
the Windows 8 era).
  => the lack of support has no bearing on WLM12 not running on Win10 or 
Win11(or even Win8.x).


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#18801

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:48:25 -0400, SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> wrote:

>For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
>it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
>been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
>work again.
>The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
>how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
>I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
>recall.
>This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
>but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
>version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
>manual or contact info to try and find out.
>Tia for your help!

I still use Forte Agent, which has more bells and whistles than you
can shake a stick at. Despite it being no longer supported I think
there's a free version that can be downloaded. (It's an email client
as well but I've never used it for that.)

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#18804

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 15:01:20 +0100, Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:48:25 -0400, SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> wrote:
>>For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
>>it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
>>been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
>>work again.
>>The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
>>how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
>>Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
>>I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
>>recall.
>>This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
>>but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
>>version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
>>manual or contact info to try and find out.
>>Tia for your help!
>
>I still use Forte Agent, which has more bells and whistles than you
>can shake a stick at. Despite it being no longer supported I think
>there's a free version that can be downloaded. (It's an email client
>as well but I've never used it for that.)

as a long-time user of free agent (since 16-bit 1.11/16.235 in windows 95),
after testing registered versions of 1.93/32.576 and 8.00/32.1272, i still
prefer free agent 1.93 for posting and 40tude dialog 2.0.15.41 for reading
(registered agent 1.93 unlocks undo etc., but agent 8.00 is for the birds)

free agent 1.93/32.576 (2.29 mb):
https://web.archive.org/web/20051125104705/http://ftp3.forteinc.com/pub/agent/english/a32en193.exe
1.93 registration key:
CQ9PMH48-84YB7CZJ-ZGKHKS5J-6VRCTN8M-V7G88TUE

trial agent 8.00/32.1272 (11.0 mb):
https://web.archive.org/web/20240421180300/https://download.forteinc.com/pub/qewgybnkzfamqwgy/agentenu800-1272.msi
8.00 registration key:
T2BZ6L74-B42DPH7N-F7WHTN9D-6NSNSST3-19G6BN2S-XKUSDYKA
3XFL14ZT-W2NYVJFB-LXLTPWV7-P8VNC8MV-661ENJUW-F56XSGY9
TV4NN23M-LDLE3DVH-DNJ667EV

40tude dialog 2.0.15.41 (3.82 MB / 2.83 MB):
https://www.barghahn-online.de/4td_faq/download/4d2b38.exe
https://www.barghahn-online.de/4td_faq/download/dialog_41.zip
free, no registration (do not install to "x86" program folder)

(free agent is simple and easy to use, dialog has comprehensive features)

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#18802

SCTom <anonymous@anon.com> wrote:
> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
> work again.
> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
> Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
> I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
> recall.
> This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
> but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
> version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
> manual or contact info to try and find out.
> Tia for your help!

  As others have mentioned, Thunderbird is the most logical alternative/
replacement, both for newsgroups (NetNews) and e-mail.

  If you only use WLM for newsgroups, not for email, there are several
other alternatives on which their users can comment.

  FYI, I use a CUI (Character/'Console' UI) newsreader (tin), but use
Thunderbird for e-mail and occasionally for newsgroups.

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#18808

On Mon, 4/28/2025 3:48 PM, SCTom wrote:
> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently
> it wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has
> been killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it
> work again.
> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look
> how I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
> Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
> I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
> recall.
> This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run,
> but it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial
> version and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a
> manual or contact info to try and find out.
> Tia for your help!
> 

Mozilla uses its own crypto facilities and certificates.

It's possible Windows Live Mail uses the OS "Schannel" and
some certificates, and that could be why a connection issue
could arise with that particular software.

   Paul

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#18850

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:48:25 -0400, SCTom wrote:

> For years, I have used Live Mail as my newsgroup reader, but recently it
> wouldn't work on either OS version. I found out support for it has been
> killed, so there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to make it work
> again.
> The good thing is that it worked well, and I could set it up to look how
> I liked it, and, best of all, it's free.
> Any ideas on a decent replacement that would more than lees imitate it?
> I have tried Easynews, NZBget, Newsbin, and a couple more that I can't
> recall.
> This program is NewsgroupsRT, and was pretty easy to set up and run, but
> it won't get me very many headers. Granted, this is the trial version
> and that may be where the limitation lies, but I can't find a manual or
> contact info to try and find out.
> Tia for your help!

I think I'll stick with Pan, at least for a while until I become 
dissatisfied with it :-).
Thanks,
SC Tom

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