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  Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 02:09 +0000
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-29 22:48 -0600
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 08:29 +0000
      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2024-12-30 09:28 +0000
        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 16:14 +0000
          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-30 09:40 -0700
            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:13 +0000
          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:32 +0100
            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:22 +0000
              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:12 +0100
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 06:31 -0500
                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 12:12 +0000
                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 07:48 -0600
                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:07 +0000
                        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 16:40 -0600
                          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2024-12-31 15:53 -0700
                            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 00:00 +0000
                              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 20:46 -0600
                                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 04:44 +0000
                                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-01 10:41 +0000
                                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:48 +0000
                                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-02 00:36 -0600
                                        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-02 15:13 +0000
                                          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:49 -0600
                                        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 15:57 +0000
                                        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 13:21 -0500
                                          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:46 -0600
                                            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 15:49 -0500
                                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-25 23:13 +1100
                                        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-25 08:07 -0600
                                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-01-25 17:42 +0000
                                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-01 09:03 -0600
                                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:55 +0000
                                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-02 00:16 -0600
                              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 13:22 +0000
                            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 14:44 -0500
                              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:12 -0600
                                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 01:37 -0500
                                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 01:51 -0600
                                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 04:00 -0500
                                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:47 -0600
                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:16 +0000
              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:13 +0000
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:16 +0000
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 14:54 -0500
          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2024-12-31 09:39 +0000
            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 07:27 -0500
            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:20 +0000
              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-31 20:34 +0000
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:53 +0000
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:57 +0100
                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:36 +0000
        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 13:18 -0700
      OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-12-30 08:08 -0500
        Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 13:46 +0000
          Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2024-12-30 16:19 +0100
          Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 16:27 +0000
            Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-12-30 17:06 +0000
              Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-30 17:29 +0000
                Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-12-30 20:33 +0000
                  Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:36 -0500
              Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 12:46 -0500
              Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-30 14:34 -0500
                Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 15:17 +0000
                  Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-12-31 21:22 -0500
            Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-12-30 16:36 -0500
            Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 14:40 +0000
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 06:07 -0500
      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:48 -0500
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2024-12-30 12:18 +0000
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-30 18:09 +0000
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 22:40 +0000
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:37 +0100
      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:20 +0000
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router The Man With the Golden Touch <invalid@invalid.com> - 2024-12-31 01:01 +0000
      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:22 +0000
    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-12-31 05:46 -0600
      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 19:28 +0000
        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:57 +0000
          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 15:16 -0500
            Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 20:25 +0000
              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-01-01 21:23 +0000
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:42 +0000
              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:50 +0000
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 11:59 -0500
              Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 16:58 -0500
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-01 23:19 +0100
                Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:58 -0600
                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:10 -0500
                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 16:17 +0000
                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 13:10 -0500
                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 19:14 +0000
                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:50 -0600
                  Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-02 23:18 +0100
                    Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:44 -0600
                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-04 02:58 +0100
                      Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-05 16:09 +0000
                        Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:13 -0600
                          Re: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-05 19:36 +0000

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#16010

On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 04:00:16 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 1/2/2025 2:51 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> 
>> I haven't experienced voltage regulation so poor that it damaged any of my
>> equipment. That would suck. I thought your hydro was better than that.
>> 
>
>Gee, so did I.
>
>It's the layout of the "island subdivisions" that partially
>is responsible for the quality. But it's also carelessness.
>
>I can't help but feel they could do a better job.
>
>With all the smart meters, they must be able to look
>at the "map" every day, and see a red patch near my
>house with out-of-spec voltages. You'd think that
>would bother them.

We all want our service providers to care, but we don't always get what we want.

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#15851

Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
news:vl0n45$27s8e$1@dont-email.me: 

> On 2024-12-31 11:31, Paul wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 12/30/2024 9:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2024-12-31 00:22, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've not yet seen a router capable of driving anything more than a
>>>> USB stick, while the OP talked of a hard drive, not an SSD or NVMe. 
>>>
>>> Hard drive is a generic wording for an SSD too, says my hardware
>>> vendor. Meaning, the SSDs are listed in the hard disk department.
>>> NVMe too, but they don't talk USB. They might, but would be a waste
>>> of money. 
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> This is why your vendor is a vendor and not a technician.
>> 
>> We use "hard drive" for rotating media. Hard drive was originally
>> used, to distinguish the rigid platter from the floppy platter of the
>> floppy drive. The first consumer hard drives, the mechanism driving
>> the heads, was almost a dead ringer for the same thing on the floppy.
>> The heads moved radially, propelled by a stepper motor, and being
>> open loop (no way to tell it was on-track or not). It was at that
>> point, the hard drive industry exploded... and then collapsed, with
>> the winners taking all. Many companies did stupid stuff, and were
>> rewarded for it. For example, one hard drive I had in the lab, an 8"
>> diameter hard drive, the spindle was on a *stepper motor*, which
>> generates nothing but torque ripple. Which is the exact opposite of
>> the characteristic of hard drives today (minimal torque ripple and
>> minimal variation in platter rotational speed).
>> 
>> Nothing rotates on a solid state drive. That's why it is "solid
>> state". 
>> 
>> Not all of our terminology is that precise, but some things are
>> pretty clear. That's why I'm not extending this post with any more
>> device types :-) 
> 
> Or, in summary, the expression "hard drive" should imply a 'mechanism'
> where something is 'driven', which is not the case with an SSD, but, 
> there again, the acronym stands for "Solid State Drive", even though 
> nothing is driven; "Solid State Disk" might be/have been better, but 
> they're not usually circular either :-)
> 
> To me ...
>      HD  -> Spinning rust storage
>      SSD -> Silicon storage
> ... but the expression was first used by the OP, so, if he's
> interested which he doesn't appear to be, only he can explain which or
> both he meant in his OP.
> 

Ir's a 2tb hard drive with a USB interface.

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#15849

Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
news:vkv9v2$1rhkn$1@dont-email.me: 

> On 2024-12-30 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> On 2024-12-30 17:14, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> MajorLanGod wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can
>>>>>> access it from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and
>>>>>> phone. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't!
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
>>>>
>>>> Why not.
>>>> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy
>>>> back up storage, until I changed routers.
>>>> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power.
>>>
>>> A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of 
>>> power.
>> 
>> Not all of them. A small form hard disk, designed for use on a
>> laptop, typically doesn't, aside from the USB connector.
> 
> I've not yet seen a router capable of driving anything more than a USB
> stick, while the OP talked of a hard drive, not an SSD or NVMe.
> 
>>> I agree that a NAS is preferable.  They can be a hassle to set up,
>>> but once that is done they sit on the network and are always
>>> available for backing up.
>> 
>> Some routers can serve as NAS if you connect an external media. You 
>> really have to read the manual to find out capabilities.
> 
> Possibly so, but then there's nothing more we can say to the OP except
> RTFM. 
> 

FYI the router sees the drive. I just haven't been able to figure out how 
to mount it so it becomes visible to my PC.

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#15867

On 2024-12-31 19:13, MajorLanGod wrote:
>
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
> news:vkv9v2$1rhkn$1@dont-email.me:
>> 
>> On 2024-12-30 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> Some routers can serve as NAS if you connect an external media. You
>>> really have to read the manual to find out capabilities.
>>
>> Possibly so, but then there's nothing more we can say to the OP except
>> RTFM.
> 
> FYI the router sees the drive. I just haven't been able to figure out how
> to mount it so it becomes visible to my PC.

In *general* terms, most routers are embedded Linux boxes, and for 
storage on a Linux machine to be available over a LAN to Windows users, 
the Linux machine must be running Samba.  However, whether your 
particular router has installed the necessary system files to support 
Samba most probably will have to be determined from its literature, 
though you could try an experiment on a Windows PC.  If you're lucky, 
and the requisite functionality on the router is both present and 
enabled by default, launching an explorer window and entering into the 
address bar ...

     \\<IP Address of your router>

... would give a 'list' of shares in the right hand part of the window 
-  'list' in quotes because probably there will only be one  -  which 
you would then <double-click> to see what is on the drive.  Otherwise, 
OOTTOMH I can't remember whether you ever told us the actual router 
model, which might enable others to help you, else I'm afraid it's RTFM.

I'm unlikely to be able to help with a modern router, as I'm running a 
BT Home Hub 5a which I've hacked and reflashed with OpenWRT, and that 
gives me the ability to install particular functionality to suit my 
needs, in my case to support using a 4G USB stick with a data SIM as my 
main broadband connection, which works very well.  However, most people 
just use an off-the-shelf system, and whether they can do a particular 
thing with their router depends entirely on whether the manufacturer 
chose to include that functionality in their firmware, and that is most 
probably the case for you.

-- 

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
www.macfh.co.uk

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#15911

On Tue, 12/31/2024 2:13 PM, MajorLanGod wrote:
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
> news:vkv9v2$1rhkn$1@dont-email.me: 
> 
>> On 2024-12-30 22:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2024-12-30 17:14, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MajorLanGod wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can
>>>>>>> access it from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and
>>>>>>> phone. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not.
>>>>> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy
>>>>> back up storage, until I changed routers.
>>>>> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power.
>>>>
>>>> A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of 
>>>> power.
>>>
>>> Not all of them. A small form hard disk, designed for use on a
>>> laptop, typically doesn't, aside from the USB connector.
>>
>> I've not yet seen a router capable of driving anything more than a USB
>> stick, while the OP talked of a hard drive, not an SSD or NVMe.
>>
>>>> I agree that a NAS is preferable.  They can be a hassle to set up,
>>>> but once that is done they sit on the network and are always
>>>> available for backing up.
>>>
>>> Some routers can serve as NAS if you connect an external media. You 
>>> really have to read the manual to find out capabilities.
>>
>> Possibly so, but then there's nothing more we can say to the OP except
>> RTFM. 
>>
> 
> FYI the router sees the drive. I just haven't been able to figure out how 
> to mount it so it becomes visible to my PC.
> 

Cool. That's a start then.

It means you aren't screwed.

The router will have a four pin, TTL voltage, serial interface.
Cable up, and start hacking :-) Could be 4800 or 9600 baud sort of thing.

You'll need one of these. CP2102 serial port.

   https://www.adafruit.com/product/954

Many electronics boxes have these. You need to find a picture of
the circuit board, where someone has helpfully identified the
four pads for the gold stake pins to go. They don't normally
leave the four pads with stake pins in all production units.

Note that connecting serial ports to combo ADSL2 modem/router,
that can cause problems, as the chassis could be intended to be
"floating" and connecting a ground-referenced debug cable could
cause the ADSL2 part to drop sync.

You can give Linux commands and have a look around in there.

Even hard drives have that header. A rescue procedure for a
Seagate drive, includes such access as part of the procedure.
The command set for the Seagate drive, is "alien technology",
and is intentionally like that to make the life of the hacker
much more difficult. It's comma separated moisture evaporator
commands.

   Paul

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#15834

On 30/12/2024 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote:
>>
>> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote:
>>>
>>> MajorLanGod wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it
>>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone.
>>>
>>> Don't!
>>>
>>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
>>
>> Why not.
>> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy 
>> back up storage, until I changed routers.
>> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power.
> 
> A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of power.
> 
> Snip <
 >

Nope. A USB3 port will provide enough power to run a 2.5" HDD either a 
spinner or SSD. I know because I've done it on a previous router.



-- 
Regards
wasbit

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#15838

On Tue, 12/31/2024 4:39 AM, wasbit wrote:
> On 30/12/2024 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote:
>>>
>>> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote:
>>>>
>>>> MajorLanGod wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it
>>>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone.
>>>>
>>>> Don't!
>>>>
>>>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
>>>
>>> Why not.
>>> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy back up storage, until I changed routers.
>>> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power.
>>
>> A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of power.
>>
>> Snip <
>>
> 
> Nope. A USB3 port will provide enough power to run a 2.5" HDD either a spinner or SSD. I know because I've done it on a previous router.
> 

There are three parts to USB bus power
(for bus powered devices without their own adapter)

    Nominal ---------- Fuse protection limit --- power supply current
    Power                 1.1 amps USB2          is limited to some
    Limit                 2.0? amps USB3         number (ATX is only ~3 amps)
    5V @ 500mA
    5V @ 900mA
    Type A connector

When you make a statement like "no problem", there are
a lot of assumptions in there.

On SSDs for example, the max power spec could be related
to the "spikes" that happen. we don't know if there are
any long term behaviors at that power level ("Secure Erase").

The 2.5" laptop HDD, those are around 5V @ ~1 amps at spinup.
Some drives do not list a spec for spinup. Forcing us to guess.

There were *lots* of people writing in, in the past, concerning
a tethered 2.5" not working properly or reliably. The USB adapter
in its config space, might "promise" not to use more than 900 mA,
when the designers know the HDD motor uses 1000 mA for a short
time until the drive is up to speed. And tethered USB 2.5 HDD
can spin up more than once, in a session.

The Polyfuses "age", the more times you pop them, and
an aged fuse, blows more easily than a pristine fuse.
What some people are seeing, is the results of continuing
to try to overload their USB port.

Laptops use "silicon policemen" for protection, as Polyfuses
don't like the elevated temperature of an uncooled section of PCB.
Device setting... unknown. We don't know what their response was
to the Intel white paper.

Summary: Do what you like, but the loose nature of USB is
         the gift that keeps on giving.

   Paul

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#15859

wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 30/12/2024 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
> > On 2024-12-30 09:28, wasbit wrote:
> >>
> >> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote:
> >>>
> >>> MajorLanGod wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port so I can access it
> >>>> from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and phone.
> >>>
> >>> Don't!
> >>>
> >>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
> >>
> >> Why not.
> >> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy 
> >> back up storage, until I changed routers.
> >> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power.
> > 
> > A hard disk, as stated by the OP, *WILL* require an extra source of power.
> > 
> > Snip <
> 
> Nope. A USB3 port will provide enough power to run a 2.5" HDD either a 
> spinner or SSD. I know because I've done it on a previous router.

  And even USB2 ports supply enough power (5V at 500mA) for external
USB2 and USB3 2.5" HDDs.

  In fact only my very first 160GB Iomega eGo 2.5" USB2 external drive
had an Y-cable with two USB-A connectors, in case a single computer port
could not supply enough power. Ever since, all 5 other drives have just
a single connector.

  Of course, the OPs router's USB-port *could* be a 'minimal' one,
supplying at little as 100mA, but that's not very likely.

  In the meantime, the OP has mentioned that his drive works on the
router's USB-port (but he can not yet get it to work as a Network
Share), so the power (non-)issue is moot.

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#15860

Frank Slootweg wrote:

[snip]
> 
>    In the meantime, the OP has mentioned that his drive works on the
> router's USB-port (but he can not yet get it to work as a Network
> Share), so the power (non-)issue is moot.
> 

 From Windows Explorer - Computer
Type \\<IP_address_of_router>  <Enter>

If that produces nothing then the router probably isn't passing anything 
useful to the drive.

-- 
Graham J

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#15863

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > 
> >    In the meantime, the OP has mentioned that his drive works on the
> > router's USB-port (but he can not yet get it to work as a Network
> > Share), so the power (non-)issue is moot.
> > 
> 
>  From Windows Explorer - Computer
> Type \\<IP_address_of_router>  <Enter>
> 
> If that produces nothing then the router probably isn't passing anything 
> useful to the drive.

  Yes, that would be my suggestion (assuming you mean
<IP_address_on_the_router>).

  I really don't understand why the OP can't come up with this! He calls
himself MajorLanGod and said:

"PS: I am a retired LAN & PC wizard who has been in the industry since
 before the IBM PC, and have developed and maintained networks."

  For a "LAN & PC wizard" this should be a piece of cake.

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#15865

On 2024-12-31 21:34, Graham J wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> [snip]
>>
>>    In the meantime, the OP has mentioned that his drive works on the
>> router's USB-port (but he can not yet get it to work as a Network
>> Share), so the power (non-)issue is moot.
>>
> 
>  From Windows Explorer - Computer
> Type \\<IP_address_of_router>  <Enter>
> 
> If that produces nothing then the router probably isn't passing anything 
> useful to the drive.

The router probably has to be told what to share, using what protocols, 
and what login/password. It will be somewhere in the configuration web page.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#15868

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 21:34, Graham J wrote:
> > Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> >>
> >>    In the meantime, the OP has mentioned that his drive works on the
> >> router's USB-port (but he can not yet get it to work as a Network
> >> Share), so the power (non-)issue is moot.
> >>
> > 
> >  From Windows Explorer - Computer
> > Type \\<IP_address_of_router>  <Enter>
> > 
> > If that produces nothing then the router probably isn't passing anything 
> > useful to the drive.
> 
> The router probably has to be told what to share, using what protocols, 
> and what login/password. It will be somewhere in the configuration web page.

  It's most likely a Windows Network Share, i.e. SMB ('Samba') protocol.
If a login/password is required, File Explorer will ask for it, so the
OP will be one step further. And the (share) login/passord is probably
visible in the router's web-UI. No information if the OP has tried to
get into that. As another poster said, the router part is the *user*'s,
so he should be able to access/configure that. (See also my response to
the OP as which share name to try.)

  For example, I have a combined modem/router which is supplied by the
ISP, but I can access/configure *my* part, i.e. the LAN side.

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#15815

wasbit wrote on 12/30/24 2:28 AM:
> On 30/12/2024 08:29, Graham J wrote:
>> MajorLanGod wrote:
>>> OK, I've got Google Fiber. I can understand why, but they have pretty 
>>> much
>>> emasculated the router. I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB 
>>> port
>>> so I can access it from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and
>>> phone. Please guide me!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Don't!
>>
>> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
>>
>> I've met routers (generally for a satellite connection, e.g. Starlink) 
>> that don't have Ethernet sockets - so you then have to get a WiFi 
>> client device to provide the Ethernet socket.  You can reconfigure a 
>> redundant router with WiFi to operate in this way.
>>
> 
> Why not.
> I used a pen drive in a router USB port for years as a quick & easy back 
> up storage, until I changed routers.
> It also has the benefit of not needing any extra power.
> 
> 

There is nothing wrong with using a router usb port capable of 
reading/copying backup normal data files from a primary device when the 
content being backed up is data(i.e. not Windows system image(System, 
MSR, O/S, WinRe).
  The disadvantage -pen drives can be lost, misplaced, accidentally 
overwritten.
The likelihood of your router and pen drive being stolen or infected with 
malware from data files is relatively slim - the risk of infection lies 
in the source and type of those data files.
The pen drive used for backup storage should be considered as a temporary 
store - Image and data backup is best accompliehed with a dedicated 
external device used for backup then disconnected and stored offline in a 
safe location(safe, safety deposit box, etc.) that is retrievable and not 
capable of being stolen or lost.

Like others have noted, I have multiple devices for backup(2 External WD 
4TB Passports that I rotate every other month(together they always have 
the last two monthly images of the 4 Windows system partitions and a 
backup copy of all data(Office files[Word, Excel, Outlook], iTunes, 
Pictures, Software Program installers(including latest Windows ISOs, 
Drivers), and Setup files for all hardware/software.

All three of my devices have additional internal storage(SSD or HDD, or 
SDXC which is the primary source of all data. The main storage 
device(i.e. Disk O) in each(all are SSD or M.2 type) is primarily Windows 
and installed programs.
  - Additionally, I do use two 128 GB USB sticks(I do not use the Netgear 
router port!) which holds redundant data - one for iTunes(all content), 
the other for pictures.

All backup devices are 20 - 40% full - very small and limited need 
compared to others' needs or approach(don't need a lot of programs, no 
need or desire for pack-ratting old obsolete data).

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#15797 — OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router

On 12/30/24 03:29 AM, Graham J wrote:
> MajorLanGod wrote:
>> OK, I've got Google Fiber. I can understand why, but they have pretty much
>> emasculated the router. I would like to attach a hard drive to the USB port
>> so I can access it from my Win 11 system as well as my Android tablet and
>> phone. Please guide me!
>>
> 
> 
> Don't!
> 
> Get a NAS drive and connect it to an Ethernet port on the router.
> 
> I've met routers (generally for a satellite connection, e.g. Starlink) that don't have Ethernet 
> sockets - so you then have to get a WiFi client device to provide the Ethernet socket.  You can 
> reconfigure a redundant router with WiFi to operate in this way.
> 
Can you suggest a NAS drive?   On the less expensive side maybe.

-- 
Linux Mint 22, Cinnamon 6.2.9,  Kernel 6.8.0-51-generic
Thunderbird 128.5.2esr, Mozilla Firefox 133.0.3
Alan K.

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#15799 — Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router

Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
[...]

> Can you suggest a NAS drive?   On the less expensive side maybe.

  I'm not Graham, but I'm very pleased with my Synology DS115j NAS.
Single drive. Seven years ago, it was only 89 Euro (~USD) empty and 149
Euro for the 4TB Western Digital RED disk. Current model is probably the
DS124 (no 'j series' model), which is 153 Euro (empty).

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#15803 — Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router

Frank Slootweg wrote:

>> Can you suggest a NAS drive?   On the less expensive side maybe.
>
>  I'm not Graham, but I'm very pleased with my Synology DS115j NAS.
>Single drive. Seven years ago, it was only 89 Euro (~USD) empty and 149
>Euro for the 4TB Western Digital RED disk. Current model is probably the
>DS124 (no 'j series' model), which is 153 Euro (empty).

I'd second this, Synology is very easy to use for beginners, you have
lots of addons you can install (if you want to) and they really are
worth the money they cost. I currently have a DS223, which is probably
even more than you need, so the j version looks like a good choice.
These devices last forever, the last one I used (actually also a DS115j)
was 8 (!) years old when I sold it on eBay, and I still got quite a few
bucks for it (including the 8 years old HDD).

-jw-
-- 
And now for something completely different...

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#15805 — Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
> [...]
> 
>> Can you suggest a NAS drive?   On the less expensive side maybe.
> 
>    I'm not Graham, but I'm very pleased with my Synology DS115j NAS.
> Single drive. Seven years ago, it was only 89 Euro (~USD) empty and 149
> Euro for the 4TB Western Digital RED disk. Current model is probably the
> DS124 (no 'j series' model), which is 153 Euro (empty).
> 

Years ago I used some Iomega single drive NAS boxes.  In time the herd 
disks failed and I've not found out how to install a new hard disk.

I also have some Buffalo NAS boxes.

When the hard disk fails in the Linkstation  X1 (Linkstation Live) it's 
fairly easy to install a new disk and apply the firmware.

When the hard disk fails in a Linkstation LS210D it is possible to 
replace the hard disk, but installing the firmware on it is more 
difficult.  Modern versions of the firmware won't format the new empty 
disk, but earlier versions (I used version 1.63) do allow the disk to be 
formatted.  Many thanks to Paul who also posts here who helped me 
resolve this.

I've no idea how easy it is to replace the hard disk in a Synology NAS.

Much depends on how you intend to use the storage, and how you would 
tolerate a disk failure. Tell us more ....

-- 
Graham J

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#15807 — Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router

On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:27:44 +0000, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
wrote:


>
>I've no idea how easy it is to replace the hard disk in a Synology NAS.
>
Very easy. 
>Much depends on how you intend to use the storage, and how you would 
>tolerate a disk failure. Tell us more ....

Better to have a two-drive NAS as a minimum. With Synology they can be
formatted as hybrid RAID, then if one fails there's time to replace
the failed drive before the second one goes. Slot the new one in and
the RAID will rebuild. I'm sure that other NAS systems will have the
same capability. (Be aware that multiple drives the same age 'might'
fail at the same time.)

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#15808 — Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router

Peter Johnson wrote:

[snip]

> 
> Better to have a two-drive NAS as a minimum. With Synology they can be
> formatted as hybrid RAID, then if one fails there's time to replace
> the failed drive before the second one goes. Slot the new one in and
> the RAID will rebuild. I'm sure that other NAS systems will have the
> same capability. (Be aware that multiple drives the same age 'might'
> fail at the same time.)

Some recent experience.  PC has an internal disk, and a 1TB external 
disk connected via USB.  Both disks are backed up to a Buffalo NAS.

The NAS failed, so I replaced its hard disk and installed the necessary 
firmware.

I then run the backup to populate the new NAS disk.  The PC disk is 
backed up OK, but part way through the process, the external USB disk 
fails.  Can't say why, but maybe it didn't like being read from 
continuously.  When disconnected and allowed to cool, then reconnected, 
it did work for another few minutes.

Happily there is another backup of everything on both internal and 
external disks using Crashplan.

So, don't limit yourself to just one backup!


-- 
Graham J

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#15816 — Re: OT NAS for Router, was: Mounting a drive on the USB port of my router

On 2024-12-30 17:29, Graham J wrote:
> Peter Johnson wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>
>> Better to have a two-drive NAS as a minimum. With Synology they can be
>> formatted as hybrid RAID, then if one fails there's time to replace
>> the failed drive before the second one goes. Slot the new one in and
>> the RAID will rebuild. I'm sure that other NAS systems will have the
>> same capability. (Be aware that multiple drives the same age 'might'
>> fail at the same time.)

Yes, or, as in my case, a RAIN system  -  a redundant array of 
independent NASs!

> Some recent experience.  PC has an internal disk, and a 1TB external 
> disk connected via USB.  Both disks are backed up to a Buffalo NAS.
> 
> The NAS failed, so I replaced its hard disk and installed the necessary 
> firmware.
> 
> I then run the backup to populate the new NAS disk.  The PC disk is 
> backed up OK, but part way through the process, the external USB disk 
> fails.  Can't say why, but maybe it didn't like being read from 
> continuously.  When disconnected and allowed to cool, then reconnected, 
> it did work for another few minutes.
> 
> Happily there is another backup of everything on both internal and 
> external disks using Crashplan.
> 
> So, don't limit yourself to just one backup!

+1  Always have a range of backups going back over a significant period 
of time.

-- 

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
www.macfh.co.uk

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