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  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
        OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
          Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
            Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
              Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
            Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
              Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
                Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
                  Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
                    Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
                      Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
                        Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
                          Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
                Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
                  Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
          Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
            Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
              Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
                Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
                  Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
                  Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
                    Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
                      Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
                        Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
                  Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200
                    Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:06 +0100
                      Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 04:11 +0000
                    Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-22 13:42 +0100
                      Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:33 +0000
            Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
              Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
                Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
                  Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
                    Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100
                      Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:52 +0200
                Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
                  Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 07:48 +0000
                    Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-25 11:00 +0100
                      Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:40 +0100
                        Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-25 17:39 +0100
                          Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:32 +0200
                Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100

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#33853 — Re: OT

On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[]
>   For use in countries like your and mine, a dedicated device is fine.
> 
>   But for more sparsely populated areas it's nice and often essential to
> have several different map sources (TomTom, HERE/NAVTEQ, OSM). A
> dedicated device doesn't offer that flexibility. (N.B. The OSM
> (OpenStreetMaps) maps often show roads where the vehicles of the
> commercial map providers don't bother/dare to come.)

In this country they do get to soee pretty obscure places - I remember
being at a remote farm in Northumberland and most surprised to see the
Google car there! For many years I used to show people me and my friends
on Google (Rivergreen mill), though you had to pick your angle. But yes,
I take your point.

> 
>   Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with
> a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the
> road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare
> to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they
> wanted to go, saving them some 400km.

Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
turn ...")

> 
>   A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first
> dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I
> bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping
> '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage.
> Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back.
> 
>   But, as always, YMMV/YMWV.

I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new
cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's
twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except
for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular
coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones
has probably rocketed.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If a cluttered desk is characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an
empty desk mean ?

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#33859 — Re: OT

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]
> Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> turn ...")

  I have similar story: Driving the A7 Gregory Developmental Road from
Charters Towers to Clermont (Australia). While a bit on the road, the
navigation app shows an upcoming round-about. Nothing special, but it
shows it's still 353km away! I was shaking in my wooden boots from all
the stress. I still have the photo of the tablet's screen [1].

> I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new
> cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's
> twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except
> for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular
> coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones
> has probably rocketed.

  My car was 22 years old, so I bought a 'new' one, which is only 17
years old! :-)

  But yes, most new cars have built-in navigation systems. An exception
was a rental car in the US. That didn't have a navigation system, but it
had a display, etc., which had Android Auto (and Apple <whatever>)
functionality, so you could use your phone's navigation app and display
it on the big screen. That's actually an advantage, because you use the
stuff you know and 'love', just with a nice big screen.

[1] Note to self: 2019, IMG_4324.JPG.

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#33860 — Re: OT

On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:05:33 +0100
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> []
> >   For use in countries like your and mine, a dedicated device is fine.
> > 
> >   But for more sparsely populated areas it's nice and often essential to
> > have several different map sources (TomTom, HERE/NAVTEQ, OSM). A
> > dedicated device doesn't offer that flexibility. (N.B. The OSM
> > (OpenStreetMaps) maps often show roads where the vehicles of the
> > commercial map providers don't bother/dare to come.)
> 
> In this country they do get to soee pretty obscure places - I remember
> being at a remote farm in Northumberland and most surprised to see the
> Google car there! For many years I used to show people me and my friends
> on Google (Rivergreen mill), though you had to pick your angle. But yes,
> I take your point.
> 
> > 
> >   Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with
> > a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the
> > road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare
> > to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they
> > wanted to go, saving them some 400km.
> 
> Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> turn ...")
> 

BT,Didn'tDT - "Take the (Hume?) Highway, after 500km take the third
exit at the roundabout".

> > 
> >   A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first
> > dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I
> > bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping
> > '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage.
> > Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back.
> > 
> >   But, as always, YMMV/YMWV.
> 
> I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new
> cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's
> twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except
> for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular
> coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones
> has probably rocketed.
> -- 
> J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
> 
> If a cluttered desk is characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an
> empty desk mean ?


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#33862 — Re: OT

Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:05:33 +0100
> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]
> > Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> > was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> > say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> > turn ...")
> 
> BT,Didn'tDT - "Take the (Hume?) Highway, after 500km take the third
> exit at the roundabout".

  If it was about Alice Springs, it probably was the Stuart Highway.

  The Hume is in Victoria and New South Wales, i.e. in the east.

  Funny that in Oz, you call the highways by their names, not their
numbers.

  Apparently the Stuart Highway is the A87 and (from south to north)
becomes the 1 at Daly Waters. Never knew that in all those thirty years.

[...]

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#33863 — Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs

On 20 Aug 2026 18:48:05 GMT
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:05:33 +0100
> > "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> [...]
> > > Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> > > was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> > > say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> > > turn ...")
> > 
> > BT,Didn'tDT - "Take the (Hume?) Highway, after 500km take the third
> > exit at the roundabout".
> 
>   If it was about Alice Springs, it probably was the Stuart Highway.
> 
>   The Hume is in Victoria and New South Wales, i.e. in the east.

Seems I guessed wrong; the road I was on was the A1/Pacific Highway
from a suburb of Sydney going to a barrier reef excursion launch at erm
Yeppoon. (Seems it's no longer a roundabout). First few instructions were
mundane to get onto the A1, maybe a few name changes to out of Sydney
then the infamous n00km to the next junction of interest.

> 
>   Funny that in Oz, you call the highways by their names, not their
> numbers.
> 
>   Apparently the Stuart Highway is the A87 and (from south to north)
> becomes the 1 at Daly Waters. Never knew that in all those thirty years.
>
SA Bill Bryson notes there's a Sturt Highway as well, just to keep you
on your toes! 
> [...]


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#33872 — Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs

Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2026 18:48:05 GMT
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
[...]
> >   If it was about Alice Springs, it probably was the Stuart Highway.
[...]
> SA Bill Bryson notes there's a Sturt Highway as well, just to keep you
> on your toes! 

  Yes, I know. We drove both, several times. :-)

  And of course we have Bill Bryson's famous book.

  Fond memories.

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#33886 — Re: OT

(advocacy groups removed)

On 2026-08-20 18:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:


>>    A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first
>> dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I
>> bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping
>> '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage.
>> Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back.
>>
>>    But, as always, YMMV/YMWV.
> 
> I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new
> cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's
> twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except
> for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular
> coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones
> has probably rocketed.

I rented a car this past week, a Fiat 600e, and it had both TomTom 
navigation and Android Auto included in the large secondary screen.

According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is 
dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several 
hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers.

One new feature (for me) is entering in the config the size and weight 
of the vehicle.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#33902 — Re: OT

On 21/08/2026 18:43, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is 
> dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several 
> hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers.

Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the 
continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into 
low cost portable devices though


I just got back from Cambridge where its essential as the speed limits 
change without warning from 20,30,40, 50, 60mph. and all the cyclists 
wear black and carry no lights whatsoever.

I suspect smart car manufacturers would install their software...on 
whatver wird kit thay have on the dashboard

-- 
"If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the 
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

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#33911 — Re: OT

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 00:06:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the
> continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into
> low cost portable devices though

That explains why Amazon is only showing refurbs. Most of the Magellan 
units are either listed as used or refurbished too. I started with the 
Garmin GPS II Plus and stayed with the brand. I think the II may still 
work but it's from 1997 before Clinton removed SA so it only shows 
distance to the tenth of a mile. I used the thing for my first two 
geocaches before I moved into the 21st century. That was one of the few 
useful things Slick Willie did. 

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#33920 — Re: OT

On 2026/8/21 18:43:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[]
> I rented a car this past week, a Fiat 600e, and it had both TomTom 
> navigation and Android Auto included in the large secondary screen.
> 
> According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is 
> dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several 
> hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers.
> 
> One new feature (for me) is entering in the config the size and weight 
> of the vehicle.
> 
Last time I bought a standalone device, I bought an XGODY - no, I'd not
heard of them before either, but it came with a bigger screen and for a
lot lower price than any of the alternatives, as well as bluetooth
connectivity and an FM tramsmitter (so I could in theory use it to get a
smartphone to play through the car which doesn't have that facility -
also, which is what I used it for mostly, am mp3 player). Yes, it had
the facility to enter assorted lorry (truck) parameters, presumably so
it could select routes that take those into account. Came with maps of
most of the world; I only used the UK ones, but they seemed fine. 3D
views if wanted, also lane markings/signage at many exits. I was very
pleased with it - yes some slight quirks, but easily got used to.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The beauty of a double entendre is that it only means one thing
- attributed to Ronnie Barker

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#33938 — Re: OT

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 13:42:07 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

>  Yes, it had the
> facility to enter assorted lorry (truck) parameters, presumably so it
> could select routes that take those into account.

Back in the '90s when I was driving OTR I would have killed for one of 
those. Paper maps were good as far as they went. When you called the 
consignee and asked for local directions you hoped you weren't talking to 
a secretary who described the route she took with her Honda Civic.

Cellphones would have been great too. Nothing like looking for a working 
payphone when you're driving a 65' long RV.

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#33835 — Re: OT

On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> (Should we take this to e-s.talk?)
> 
>    And pollute *that* group!? :-)
> 
>> On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the
>>>>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what
>>>>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of
>>>>> always having the latest software.  Buying a boxed copy of
>>>>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release.
>>
>> Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I
>> haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet
>> to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for
>> the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And
>> I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though!
> 
>    Exactly! My software ages quite nicely with time. Some important parts
> are already well over two decades 'old' and still going strong. Example:
> The software bringing you this post.
> 
>>>> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive
>>>> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive.
>>
>> That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant
>> replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating,
>> but they only support so far back in OSs.
> 
>    The software I mention above started on XP and moved to Vista, 8.1 and
> now 11 without a hitch.
> 
>    And to stay on topic, the most important part, this newsreader, could
> run on all the OSs in the Newsgroups:' header! :-)
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving?
>>>>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone?
>>>>
>>>> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years.
>>>> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not
>>>> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps
>>>> for longer trips).  Or I can look it up on my computer
>>>> before I leave home.  (That's called planning, doncha know.)
>>>
>> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only
>> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no
>> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in
>> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)>
> 
>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
> 
+1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.


> [...]

-- 
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will 
let them."

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#33844 — Re: OT

On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:


>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>
> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.

Depends on the model. Some have an internal SIM card and a slow and 
cheap internet connection. Some use a BT connection to a phone to get 
slow internet. Some connect via WiFI to a hotspot in the car. And some 
use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some stations 
transmit those reports in background, somehow. This last method I have 
not experienced.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#33845 — Re: OT

On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>
>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
>> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
> 
> Depends on the model

TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.



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#33849 — Re: OT

On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, 
>>>> etc.)
>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>>
>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest 
>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
>>
>> Depends on the model
> 
> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.

TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with the 
same name.

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#33880 — Re: OT

On 20/08/2026 14:23, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, 
>>>>> etc.)
>>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>>>
>>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest 
>>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it 
>>>> does.
>>>
>>> Depends on the model
>>
>> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.
> 
> TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with the 
> same name.
> 
Ah., I thought 'GO' was reserved for the app alone. I see the app has 
become TomTom GO Expert....



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#33887 — Re: OT

On 2026-08-21 14:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2026 14:23, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>    There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, 
>>>>>> etc.)
>>>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>>>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest 
>>>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it 
>>>>> does.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on the model
>>>
>>> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.
>>
>> TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with 
>> the same name.
>>
> Ah., I thought 'GO' was reserved for the app alone. I see the app has 
> become TomTom GO Expert....

They play with confusion...

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#33855 — Re: OT

On 2026/8/20 11:31:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[]
>> +1. I use Tomtom GO  and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps

That sounds like TomTom is an "app" on your 'phone; I didn't know they
did an app., I only know the name as one of the bigger names in
standalone devices. (I suppose if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.)

>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports 
>> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
> 
> Depends on the model. Some have an internal SIM card and a slow and 
> cheap internet connection. Some use a BT connection to a phone to get 
> slow internet. Some connect via WiFI to a hotspot in the car. And some 
> use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some stations 
> transmit those reports in background, somehow. This last method I have 
> not experienced.
> 
Well, some fixed maps have _some_ speed camera, but of course can't
track new ones, and certainly can't include roadworks, traffic, and the
like, so the device must be getting it from _some_where; I think I've
heard of the FM subcarrier thing too. One thing's for sure, it's _not_
on the satellites that make GPS work: they only transmit very accurate
time signals, and it's the _receiver_ that works out (if it can find
three or more of the satellites) your longitude, latitude, and height,
and compares that to a map it contains.
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#33992 — Re: OT

On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:15:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> ... the satellites that make GPS work ... only transmit very
> accurate time signals ...

Also their accurate position data.

They can’t actually figure out what this is: they get periodic uploads
of their own orbital elements from a central control on Earth.

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#33996 — Re: OT

On 2026/8/25 8:48:52, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:15:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> ... the satellites that make GPS work ... only transmit very
>> accurate time signals ...
> 
> Also their accurate position data.
> 
> They can’t actually figure out what this is: they get periodic uploads
> of their own orbital elements from a central control on Earth.

Yes; I meant, they don't even give map data, they certainly don't have
traffic info, roadworks, etcetera. The map data has to be in the
receiving device, and traffic data and the like, if it displays that,
must come from some other source, such as cellular or RDS if any
stations still send it via that.
-- 
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"Knowledge isnt elitist - that's rubbish! Why are we embarrassed by the
idea that people know things? It's not a conspiracy against the
ignorant. Knowing things is good!" - Jeremy Paxman, RT 14-20 Aug. 2010

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