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| Started by | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| First post | 2026-07-18 13:36 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-07-25 20:47 -0400 |
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How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-18 13:36 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:59 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-18 18:21 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-18 19:55 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-19 01:50 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-18 21:17 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-19 09:16 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-19 22:15 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-19 22:05 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:24 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-19 18:14 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 03:10 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 01:12 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 03:16 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 13:06 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 18:51 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-16 21:19 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 18:48 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file... PDF? Acrobat? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 09:17 +0800
Re: How to print entire .txt file... PDF? Acrobat? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-19 07:27 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file... PDF? Acrobat? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-19 09:28 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file... PDF? Acrobat? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 15:33 -0700
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-18 21:32 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Print Text <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 19:30 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-18 21:48 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 13:11 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file... using PRINT command "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 03:11 +0800
Re: How to print entire .txt file... using PRINT command micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 07:19 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-18 15:13 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-18 21:48 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-18 22:03 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 08:48 +0800
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-19 22:50 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-19 22:06 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:24 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 01:16 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 03:26 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-19 22:57 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 07:45 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 07:19 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-20 08:09 -0400
Getting UTF-8 in Agen, was: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 10:07 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:51 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:25 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 09:36 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 19:05 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 14:23 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:06 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:51 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:04 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:57 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:38 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-21 19:47 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-21 19:00 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-21 21:19 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 17:53 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-21 22:51 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-21 18:41 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-22 01:36 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2026-07-22 15:53 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:16 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:05 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-23 13:42 +0000
OT buggy websites (was: Re: How to print entire .txt file) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-23 15:14 +0100
Re: OT buggy websites "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:45 +0200
Re: OT buggy websites "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-23 20:01 +0100
Re: OT buggy websites "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:22 +0200
Re: OT buggy websites micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-23 17:37 -0400
Re: OT buggy websites Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:24 -0400
Re: OT buggy websites (was: Re: How to print entire .txt file) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-07-24 17:00 +0000
Re: OT buggy websites "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-24 19:36 +0100
Re: OT buggy websites Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:19 +0000
Re: OT buggy websites "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-25 21:39 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:07 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:41 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-23 19:55 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 01:10 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 14:21 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 09:32 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-24 10:09 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 21:49 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-07-24 15:15 -0700
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 12:57 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-07-25 08:15 -0700
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 19:14 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-07-25 11:03 -0700
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 21:17 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-07-25 16:05 -0700
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 15:04 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-07-26 12:36 -0700
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-26 18:22 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 01:18 +0800
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 21:57 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 23:51 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 09:01 +0800
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-24 10:25 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 09:23 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-24 13:47 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 00:05 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-25 10:11 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 11:30 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-18 17:44 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-18 21:46 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-18 22:54 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-19 00:09 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 10:29 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2026-07-19 09:41 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 16:54 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 07:35 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 07:44 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 19:12 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-20 22:51 +1000
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 09:30 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 19:30 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:13 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-19 09:27 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-19 10:18 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 07:53 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 12:55 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:17 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 19:48 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:20 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:32 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-20 09:27 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 13:22 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 17:40 +0700
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-20 09:27 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-24 08:34 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 14:40 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-24 20:06 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-24 15:17 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 22:01 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-24 22:09 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 23:15 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-24 19:56 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:05 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 21:48 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 23:09 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-25 10:26 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-25 15:27 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-25 11:49 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-25 17:17 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 19:27 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-25 21:58 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-26 18:28 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:03 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-26 21:32 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:48 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-27 14:50 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:10 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-02 20:42 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:11 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-25 17:02 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-26 18:42 +0000
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:32 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-26 18:02 -0500
Re: How to print entire .txt file Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-20 15:53 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-20 20:02 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:02 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-23 20:26 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-23 17:47 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-23 21:12 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 14:48 +0200
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-24 14:35 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-21 22:58 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:04 +0100
Re: How to print entire .txt file Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-25 01:01 -0400
Re: How to print entire .txt file micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-25 20:47 -0400
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-07-20 08:09 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113l34u$15opl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33179 |
On Mon, 7/20/2026 7:19 AM, micky wrote: > In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos > E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>>> heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down. >>>>>> >>>>> Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text. >>>> >>>> It is UTF-8 text. >>>> >>> Does UTF-8 do colour? >> >> Yes, certainly. See my signature below. >> Or this: 🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪 >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Carlos E.R. >> ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺; > > FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, so I don't see smileys, > flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are > telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the > same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are > different. > If Forte Agent can save out a USENET message as a .eml file, you can open the .eml file in Notepad and the colors and so on will show up. While Thunderbird can do it too, you'd have to set up Thunderbird to access the message. Whereas Notepad just needs the file to work. In Carlos signature, looking with a hex editor, are two letters ASCII, followed by F0 9F 87 AA and F0 9F 87 B8 , which are individual letters, a little smaller in size than the ASCII-like materials to the left of them. The colored squares are similar in design F0 9F 9F AB and use four bytes each, for one colored square. Even if the .eml doesn't have a BOM at the very beginning of the file (like FF FE), Notepad can still figure out the encoding and open it properly. If the SoftBank encoding of emoji are present in a file, then Notepad cannot parse that and neither can Thunderbird, as the three byte codes in question do not follow standards. As a result, the individual bytes appear as "weird characters" instead. Paul
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 10:07 -0400 |
| Subject | Getting UTF-8 in Agen, was: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <f49s5l15ai3shii3tur9l2vp3hksvmr94k@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #33184 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 20 Jul 2026 08:09:02 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 7/20/2026 7:19 AM, micky wrote: >> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos >> E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>>>> heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text. >>>>> >>>>> It is UTF-8 text. >>>>> >>>> Does UTF-8 do colour? >>> >>> Yes, certainly. See my signature below. >>> Or this: 🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪 >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Carlos E.R. >>> ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺; >> >> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, so I don't see smileys, >> flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are >> telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the >> same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are >> different. >> > >If Forte Agent can save out a USENET message as a .eml file, >you can open the .eml file in Notepad and the colors and so on >will show up. While Thunderbird can do it too, you'd have to set up >Thunderbird to access the message. Whereas Notepad just needs >the file to work. > >In Carlos signature, looking with a hex editor, are two letters ASCII, >followed by F0 9F 87 AA and F0 9F 87 B8 , which are individual >letters, a little smaller in size than the ASCII-like materials to the >left of them. > >The colored squares are similar in design F0 9F 9F AB and >use four bytes each, for one colored square. > >Even if the .eml doesn't have a BOM at the very beginning of the >file (like FF FE), Notepad can still figure out the encoding and >open it properly. > >If the SoftBank encoding of emoji are present in a file, then >Notepad cannot parse that and neither can Thunderbird, as the >three byte codes in question do not follow standards. As a result, >the individual bytes appear as "weird characters" instead. > > Paul This sounds worth trying, or maybe just updating Agent. I have 5 and they are up to 8. I paid for versions up to 6 or maybe 7. Release notes for versions 6, 7, 7.1, 7.2 and 8 say nothing about utf or unicode, so I was going to ask on the Agent ng, and when first looking if the question was asked already, I see tht Ralph Fox has written an add-on that should work with any version from 1.6 on (though 7 is recommended, which means that 7 doesn't have it, and reading instead of just searching the release notes for 8, no mention of anything related. How can that be?) Ralph Fox posts in more than one ng and he is always so clever, so detailed, and so helpful. I wish I could meet him, as well as many of you. But installing this is a multi-step process, will take me at least an hour. Can't do it right now. I plan to let you all know if it works. If anyone wants to read or try the instructions. From: Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent Subject: [Unicode] How to -- Full Unicode display in Agent's message body pane Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2020 21:01:05 +1300 Organization: No; Y2.038Chaos instead! Lines: 171 Message-ID: <k2h01fh7212c9fss2fhq4i5354ner69cki@4ax.com>
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 17:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113lu88.1288.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33184 |
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: [...] [About Carlos' text with colours example:] > If Forte Agent can save out a USENET message as a .eml file, > you can open the .eml file in Notepad and the colors and so on > will show up. While Thunderbird can do it too, you'd have to set up > Thunderbird to access the message. Whereas Notepad just needs > the file to work. I think using Notepad is better, because that is a standard part of Windows and Thunderbird isn't. (For example my stone-age version of Thunderbird (60.9.0) doesn't display colours, but little boxes with diffent patterns of (black-on-white) stripes, dots, etc..) BTW, you don't have to set up Thunderbird for this just right-click the .eml file -> Open with -> Thunderbird. [...]
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 14:25 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <nc6ie6F167tU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33179 |
On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos
> E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>> heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe
>>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text.
>>>>
>>>> It is UTF-8 text.
>>>>
>>> Does UTF-8 do colour?
>>
>> Yes, certainly. See my signature below.
>> Or this: 🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Carlos E.R.
>> ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
>
> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
> so I don't see smileys,
> flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are
> telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the
> same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are
> different.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 09:36 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <3q8s5l1r0l8bnk95750vvf6kc6uugtit6f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #33185 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 20 Jul 2026 14:25:42 +0200, "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: >> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 19 Jul 2026 23:24:09 +0200, "Carlos >> E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 2026-07-19 23:06, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2026/7/19 21:50:2, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-07-18 22:48, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>>>> heart, and one praying hands. In colors like red or yellow. And maybe >>>>>>> the first one was 1/15th of the way down. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Anything like smileys/emoticons, or colour, are not part of text. >>>>> >>>>> It is UTF-8 text. >>>>> >>>> Does UTF-8 do colour? >>> >>> Yes, certainly. See my signature below. >>> Or this: 🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪🟫🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪 >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Carlos E.R. >>> ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺; >> >> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, > >My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) Wow, I guess so. It's version 5 of Agent, copyright 2008**. I've paid for a later version but I asked people about the extra features it had and they didn't name any I wanted. Going from version 3 to 5 was iirc irreversible so even though the next step might not be, I didn't try it. ** I'd forgotten it was so old. Of course it wasn't so old when I started using it. >> so I don't see smileys, >> flags, or color here. I could use Thunderbird but I trust you are >> telling me the truth. ;-) What shows quoted in this reply is not the >> same as what showed in your post also. Many of the characters are >> different.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 19:05 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113lo15$1c3vn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33185 |
On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: [] >> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, > > My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't > understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) [] This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants probably ought to give in. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > Won't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you. -Richard
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 14:23 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <tkps5ltjmet2t3n91u0sv8j066s6dort7t@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #33202 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 20 Jul 2026 19:05:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: >[] >>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, >> >> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) >[] >This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people >consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, >others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even >Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), It turns out that Notepad in win11 has tabs. I might be better off with it than with Notepad++, but I didn't want to change. NP++ has all kinds of strange rules. I want to make it work like Notepad, like Agent and email programs do -- the indentation especially -- and I asked on the NP++ forum and didn't get a good answer. Anyone here know? > we dinosaurs/pedants >probably ought to give in.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-07-20 21:06 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <nc79teF167sU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33202 |
On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
> []
>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
>>
>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
> []
> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people
> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even
> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants
> probably ought to give in.
In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
we simply can not write Spanish.
So, it is not ascii (american standard), but it is text.
And then, there are languages that are not supported by just the 255
charset, they need other sets. Arabic and Chinese are two examples.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 19:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113m580.jdk.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33209 |
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: > > [] > >>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, > >> > >> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't > >> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) > > [] > > This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people > > consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, > > others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even > > Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants > > probably ought to give in. > > In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127, > we simply can not write Spanish. No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-) Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.). See for example how the Germans needed to use 'ue' for u+umlaut, etc.. I'm sure the Spanish had similar mechanisms at the time. Local language characters probably came about the time of 'personal computers', no, not IBM-compatibles, but also earlier ones. Happy hunting in Wikipedia to find out when local language characters came about. Spoiler: It was not in the 50s. > So, it is not ascii (american standard), but it is text. > > And then, there are languages that are not supported by just the 255 > charset, they need other sets. Arabic and Chinese are two examples.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-07-20 22:04 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <nc7d9oF167tU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33210 |
On 2026-07-20 21:51, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
>>> []
>>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
>>>>
>>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
>>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
>>> []
>>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people
>>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
>>> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even
>>> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants
>>> probably ought to give in.
>>
>> In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
>> we simply can not write Spanish.
>
> No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a
> time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-)
>
> Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need
> local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other
> countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and
> peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.).
To me, actual computing started with the IBM-PC, and this machine always
used 8 bit text. Whatever happened before is irrelevant.
And we are talking in a Windows group, so here ASCII is not a thing.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 12:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113o1c2.l2g.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33211 |
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-07-20 21:51, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > >>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: > >>> [] > >>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, > >>>> > >>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't > >>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) > >>> [] > >>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people > >>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, > >>> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even > >>> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants > >>> probably ought to give in. > >> > >> In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127, > >> we simply can not write Spanish. > > > > No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a > > time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-) > > > > Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need > > local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other > > countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and > > peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.). > > To me, actual computing started with the IBM-PC, and this machine always > used 8 bit text. Whatever happened before is irrelevant. > > And we are talking in a Windows group, so here ASCII is not a thing. BUT :-), the IBM-PC used non-(de jure)standard 8-bit character sets (and so did/does Windows), these may be Windows groups but you mostly use Linux and your (colours) example was UTF-8, so this 'discussion' is going in all directions! :-) Anyway, my comments were/are mostly in jest. I'm a bit older than you and my experience with computers started in the early 70s, when local language characters were non-existing.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 11:38 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113o3p7$23ldk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33218 |
On Tue, 7/21/2026 8:57 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-20 21:51, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
>>>>> []
>>>>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
>>>>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
>>>>> []
>>>>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people
>>>>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
>>>>> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even
>>>>> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants
>>>>> probably ought to give in.
>>>>
>>>> In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
>>>> we simply can not write Spanish.
>>>
>>> No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a
>>> time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-)
>>>
>>> Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need
>>> local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other
>>> countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and
>>> peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.).
>>
>> To me, actual computing started with the IBM-PC, and this machine always
>> used 8 bit text. Whatever happened before is irrelevant.
>>
>> And we are talking in a Windows group, so here ASCII is not a thing.
>
> BUT :-), the IBM-PC used non-(de jure)standard 8-bit character sets
> (and so did/does Windows), these may be Windows groups but you mostly
> use Linux and your (colours) example was UTF-8, so this 'discussion' is
> going in all directions! :-)
>
> Anyway, my comments were/are mostly in jest. I'm a bit older than you
> and my experience with computers started in the early 70s, when local
> language characters were non-existing.
>
For personal computing, at first there wasn't a lot of software,
so I would not class that as "real computing". We were barely able
to build up circuits, then hand-assemble enough code to prove
the thing worked :-) Like the code I wrote for my breadboarded
computer, all that code did was run the output display (a repurposed
8 digit calculator display). The display was driven by 75491 and
75492, you would load <digit number><seven segment value> into the register,
wait for a period of time (persistence of vision), then move
to the next digit and turn it on for the same time period, and the
display on the LEDs was painted over and over again, giving
what looked like eight lit digits. There wasn't room on the
breadboard for the "GPU", so I had to be content with a calculator
display as my <output> device :-) The GPU was a separate breadboard
run, a CRT5027 and some SRAM, and I was able to write into the
frame buffer with DIP switches (turn on individual pixels).
This is an example of my "hex table" for driving the segments
as a function of value. I could display 0..F . Eight digits of hex.
-- -- -- -- -- --
| | | | | | | | | |
-- -- -- -- --
| | | | | | | | | |
-- -- -- -- --
-- -- -- --
| | | | | | | |
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
| | | | | | | | | | | |
-- -- -- -- -- --
:-)
Paul
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-07-21 19:47 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <nc9pliFc5a3U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33218 |
On 2026-07-21 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-20 21:51, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
>>>>> []
>>>>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
>>>>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
>>>>> []
>>>>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people
>>>>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
>>>>> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even
>>>>> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants
>>>>> probably ought to give in.
>>>>
>>>> In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
>>>> we simply can not write Spanish.
>>>
>>> No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a
>>> time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-)
>>>
>>> Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need
>>> local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other
>>> countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and
>>> peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.).
>>
>> To me, actual computing started with the IBM-PC, and this machine always
>> used 8 bit text. Whatever happened before is irrelevant.
(before that machine there was around here the ZX-81, the Spectrum, and
the Amstrad. All 8 bit, I believe, but of their own making :-) )
>>
>> And we are talking in a Windows group, so here ASCII is not a thing.
>
> BUT :-), the IBM-PC used non-(de jure)standard 8-bit character sets
> (and so did/does Windows), these may be Windows groups but you mostly
> use Linux and your (colours) example was UTF-8, so this 'discussion' is
> going in all directions! :-)
But not alt.folklore.computers, where you find people that reminisce in
using 7 bit charsets :-p
>
> Anyway, my comments were/are mostly in jest. I'm a bit older than you
> and my experience with computers started in the early 70s, when local
> language characters were non-existing.
Yes, those years I was alive, but not using computers. My father did,
though, and took me once to the room with the big IBM at his job place.
I think I read one of his training books.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-07-21 19:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113omk8.t3o.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33224 |
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-07-21 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-07-20 21:51, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >>>> On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > >>>>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>>>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: > >>>>> [] > >>>>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't > >>>>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) > >>>>> [] > >>>>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people > >>>>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, > >>>>> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even > >>>>> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants > >>>>> probably ought to give in. > >>>> > >>>> In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127, > >>>> we simply can not write Spanish. > >>> > >>> No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a > >>> time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-) > >>> > >>> Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need > >>> local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other > >>> countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and > >>> peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.). > >> > >> To me, actual computing started with the IBM-PC, and this machine always > >> used 8 bit text. Whatever happened before is irrelevant. > > (before that machine there was around here the ZX-81, the Spectrum, and > the Amstrad. All 8 bit, I believe, but of their own making :-) ) Yes, they were 8-bit *computers*, but did they use *text* with 8-bit local language characters, like your Spanish example? Probably not. They probably had some graphic 'characters', line drawing 'characters', etc.. FWIW, I had a ZX-81 (Times 1000) and MSX and MSX-2 computers. > >> And we are talking in a Windows group, so here ASCII is not a thing. > > > > BUT :-), the IBM-PC used non-(de jure)standard 8-bit character sets > > (and so did/does Windows), these may be Windows groups but you mostly > > use Linux and your (colours) example was UTF-8, so this 'discussion' is > > going in all directions! :-) > > But not alt.folklore.computers, where you find people that reminisce in > using 7 bit charsets :-p Well, they aren't Linux groups either, so if you go off-topic, so can we (yes we, see Paul's example)! :-) FYI, I mostly *do* use 7-bit characters, i.e.ASCII. It suffices for most English text and most Dutch text. Dutch only occasionally uses the double-dot above a letter (similar to the German Umlaut), that's in. If I have to use that diacritical, I use ISO-8859-1. UTF-8 is way over the top for such simple use. Only if I need to use names - of people, places, etc. - I might use more local language characters, for example for the maintainer of my newsreader! :-) > > Anyway, my comments were/are mostly in jest. I'm a bit older than you > > and my experience with computers started in the early 70s, when local > > language characters were non-existing. > > Yes, those years I was alive, but not using computers. My father did, > though, and took me once to the room with the big IBM at his job place. > I think I read one of his training books.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 21:19 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <nc9v1sFc5a3U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33227 |
On 2026-07-21 21:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-21 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-20 21:51, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
>>>>>>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people
>>>>>>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
>>>>>>> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even
>>>>>>> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants
>>>>>>> probably ought to give in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
>>>>>> we simply can not write Spanish.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a
>>>>> time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need
>>>>> local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other
>>>>> countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and
>>>>> peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> To me, actual computing started with the IBM-PC, and this machine always
>>>> used 8 bit text. Whatever happened before is irrelevant.
>>
>> (before that machine there was around here the ZX-81, the Spectrum, and
>> the Amstrad. All 8 bit, I believe, but of their own making :-) )
>
> Yes, they were 8-bit *computers*, but did they use *text* with 8-bit
> local language characters, like your Spanish example? Probably not. They
> probably had some graphic 'characters', line drawing 'characters', etc..
Yes, they did. Why would they not, and waste one bit?
The Spectrum, for instance, used chars above 127 for some graphics
(boxes) and for some of the tokens of Basic.
PRINT "HELLO"
was stored internally as:
[token for PRINT] [space] "HELLO"
>
> FWIW, I had a ZX-81 (Times 1000) and MSX and MSX-2 computers.
>
>>>> And we are talking in a Windows group, so here ASCII is not a thing.
>>>
>>> BUT :-), the IBM-PC used non-(de jure)standard 8-bit character sets
>>> (and so did/does Windows), these may be Windows groups but you mostly
>>> use Linux and your (colours) example was UTF-8, so this 'discussion' is
>>> going in all directions! :-)
>>
>> But not alt.folklore.computers, where you find people that reminisce in
>> using 7 bit charsets :-p
>
> Well, they aren't Linux groups either, so if you go off-topic, so can
> we (yes we, see Paul's example)! :-)
>
> FYI, I mostly *do* use 7-bit characters, i.e.ASCII. It suffices for
> most English text and most Dutch text. Dutch only occasionally uses the
> double-dot above a letter (similar to the German Umlaut), that's in. If
> I have to use that diacritical, I use ISO-8859-1. UTF-8 is way over the
> top for such simple use. Only if I need to use names - of people,
> places, etc. - I might use more local language characters, for example
> for the maintainer of my newsreader! :-)
>
>>> Anyway, my comments were/are mostly in jest. I'm a bit older than you
>>> and my experience with computers started in the early 70s, when local
>>> language characters were non-existing.
>>
>> Yes, those years I was alive, but not using computers. My father did,
>> though, and took me once to the room with the big IBM at his job place.
>> I think I read one of his training books.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 17:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113obnj$277gs$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33202 |
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: > [] >>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, >> >> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) > [] > This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people > consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, > others (like you) still consider it text. It's not really a dispute, ASCII is only complete for English. In any international context it is a poor compromise. That's why utf-8 is the standard.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 22:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113opkf$1ncca$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33226 |
On 2026/7/21 18:53:55, Chris wrote: > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: >> [] >>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, >>> >>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) >> [] >> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people >> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, >> others (like you) still consider it text. > > It's not really a dispute, ASCII is only complete for English. In any And only American English at that; it included $ but not £, for example. Back in the day, several devices substituted £ for $, or sometimes for # - sometimes under control of a switch. > international context it is a poor compromise. That's why utf-8 is the > standard. > _A_ standard. > > "A maze of twisty standards, all alike." (Now that's another link to remote mainframes, for me.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Don't play "stupid" with me... I'm better at it.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 18:41 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113osjd$2d7s0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33229 |
On Tue, 7/21/2026 5:51 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/7/21 18:53:55, Chris wrote: >> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote: >>> [] >>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only, >>>> >>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't >>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode) >>> [] >>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people >>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text, >>> others (like you) still consider it text. >> >> It's not really a dispute, ASCII is only complete for English. In any > > And only American English at that; it included $ but not £, for example. > Back in the day, several devices substituted £ for $, or sometimes for # > - sometimes under control of a switch. > >> international context it is a poor compromise. That's why utf-8 is the >> standard. >> > _A_ standard. >> >> > "A maze of twisty standards, all alike." (Now that's another link to > remote mainframes, for me.) It's a bit bigger than a 7-bit character set. You could keep a couch, a sofa, and a hide-a-bed in there, and nobody would notice. For at least emojis, they may render visually a bit different, on each platform. A pooh emoji does not look the same everywhere. When it comes to poop, Microsoft has you covered. https://www.howtogeek.com/895323/windows-11-is-changing-some-emoji-including-poop/ Paul
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 01:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <113p3ba$1nccj$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33230 |
On 2026/7/21 23:41:48, Paul wrote: [] > When it comes to poop, Microsoft has you covered. [] I think we've known that since well before emojis! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf 31.69 nHz = once a year. (Julian Thomas)
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| From | Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 15:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Message-ID | <6a60e794$0$27$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #33230 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 18:41:48 -0400, Paul wrote: [snip] > When it comes to poop, Microsoft has you covered. > > https://www.howtogeek.com/895323/windows-11-is-changing-some-emoji- including-poop/ > > Paul BTW, in last year's Christmas parade, one of the floats was a truck used to clean out septic tanks. There were no holiday decorations on it, but it did have the poop emoji twice. -- "God must love stupid people...He made SO many."
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