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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: How to print entire .txt file |
| Date | 2026-07-21 21:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nc9v1sFc5a3U5@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 2026-07-21 21:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-21 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2026-07-20 21:51, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-07-20 20:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026/7/20 13:25:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2026-07-20 13:19, micky wrote:
>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I use Forte Agent, which is text only,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My signature is text only. You are using an obsolete client that doesn't
>>>>>>>> understand modern text only posts (that use unicode)
>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>> This is one of those disputes that will never be resolved; some people
>>>>>>> consider anything containing character outside ASCII not to be text,
>>>>>>> others (like you) still consider it text. Given that, apparently, even
>>>>>>> Notepad knows about them (when did that start?), we dinosaurs/pedants
>>>>>>> probably ought to give in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my country, text was always 8 bit. Without characters above the 127,
>>>>>> we simply can not write Spanish.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it wasn't, but you're just too 'young' to realize that there was a
>>>>> time when there was just ASCII (or even EBCDIC or Baudot code)! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Face it, computers were mostly a US thing and the US did not need
>>>>> local language characters. So any computer in Spain (and other
>>>>> countries) had to live with the limitations of US computers and
>>>>> peripherals (terminals, printers, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> To me, actual computing started with the IBM-PC, and this machine always
>>>> used 8 bit text. Whatever happened before is irrelevant.
>>
>> (before that machine there was around here the ZX-81, the Spectrum, and
>> the Amstrad. All 8 bit, I believe, but of their own making :-) )
>
> Yes, they were 8-bit *computers*, but did they use *text* with 8-bit
> local language characters, like your Spanish example? Probably not. They
> probably had some graphic 'characters', line drawing 'characters', etc..
Yes, they did. Why would they not, and waste one bit?
The Spectrum, for instance, used chars above 127 for some graphics
(boxes) and for some of the tokens of Basic.
PRINT "HELLO"
was stored internally as:
[token for PRINT] [space] "HELLO"
>
> FWIW, I had a ZX-81 (Times 1000) and MSX and MSX-2 computers.
>
>>>> And we are talking in a Windows group, so here ASCII is not a thing.
>>>
>>> BUT :-), the IBM-PC used non-(de jure)standard 8-bit character sets
>>> (and so did/does Windows), these may be Windows groups but you mostly
>>> use Linux and your (colours) example was UTF-8, so this 'discussion' is
>>> going in all directions! :-)
>>
>> But not alt.folklore.computers, where you find people that reminisce in
>> using 7 bit charsets :-p
>
> Well, they aren't Linux groups either, so if you go off-topic, so can
> we (yes we, see Paul's example)! :-)
>
> FYI, I mostly *do* use 7-bit characters, i.e.ASCII. It suffices for
> most English text and most Dutch text. Dutch only occasionally uses the
> double-dot above a letter (similar to the German Umlaut), that's in. If
> I have to use that diacritical, I use ISO-8859-1. UTF-8 is way over the
> top for such simple use. Only if I need to use names - of people,
> places, etc. - I might use more local language characters, for example
> for the maintainer of my newsreader! :-)
>
>>> Anyway, my comments were/are mostly in jest. I'm a bit older than you
>>> and my experience with computers started in the early 70s, when local
>>> language characters were non-existing.
>>
>> Yes, those years I was alive, but not using computers. My father did,
>> though, and took me once to the room with the big IBM at his job place.
>> I think I read one of his training books.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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