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| Started by | Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2025-04-27 11:58 +0200 |
| Last post | 2025-05-16 14:46 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 217 — 17 participants |
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Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 11:58 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 05:50 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-27 07:11 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 13:33 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:31 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 13:30 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 09:32 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 10:19 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 11:25 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:12 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 17:53 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 11:53 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-27 14:42 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:12 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 21:20 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:26 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 07:58 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:31 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 11:24 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 18:59 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-27 13:03 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-27 19:19 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-27 21:54 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:37 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> - 2025-04-28 13:35 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:33 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 08:37 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:09 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 09:53 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:40 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:44 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 16:30 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 18:53 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-27 17:31 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 12:42 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-28 08:06 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:35 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 09:35 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:40 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-29 04:12 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:46 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-27 18:46 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 13:02 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-28 14:15 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:39 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-28 19:31 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:29 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-29 08:52 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:47 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-01 12:19 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 15:05 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-01 16:59 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:47 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:06 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-04-29 17:00 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:48 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-28 12:26 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:47 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-29 09:39 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:59 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <Jack@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-28 03:46 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 15:43 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-28 16:52 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:51 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:07 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-29 17:25 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-29 18:50 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:04 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Jack <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 16:35 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:01 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:48 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 10:59 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 18:56 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 11:48 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 09:19 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 08:43 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:11 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-28 16:34 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-28 13:44 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-28 15:35 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 10:08 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-29 04:24 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:08 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-04-29 09:52 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:49 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-29 15:44 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-29 17:22 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:25 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:24 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:50 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 06:27 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 14:22 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 08:31 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:01 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-01 12:21 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:38 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 11:59 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 14:42 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 14:52 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:06 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:41 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 20:15 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 21:49 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:00 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 11:40 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 10:57 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:11 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-07 13:22 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 13:45 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:28 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:47 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 21:34 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:23 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-07 14:59 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:36 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-07 15:00 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:38 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-08 15:13 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 13:50 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 08:41 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-09 13:50 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 18:30 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 14:01 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:03 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Simon Jenkins <user@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-13 00:13 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 17:07 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-09 19:00 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:07 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-12 15:02 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:55 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-12 16:43 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:42 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-13 10:24 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:43 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 18:37 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 14:09 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:15 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-09 20:26 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:20 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-12 15:08 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:57 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-13 11:01 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-13 15:10 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:40 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-14 22:16 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:52 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-05-17 21:58 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-17 17:32 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:36 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-15 15:39 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:53 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-20 05:52 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-05-20 07:31 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-20 10:49 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-07 09:56 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 18:40 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-07 16:58 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 13:56 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-02 15:01 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:12 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-02 23:12 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:01 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 11:13 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:36 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-05 12:59 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 10:59 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-05 14:14 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 15:10 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:01 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:00 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-05 15:08 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:02 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 11:44 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:38 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 11:49 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:03 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 13:16 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:34 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 18:42 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:55 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 22:23 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 11:17 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 06:05 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 13:28 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 13:46 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 08:46 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 14:58 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 10:30 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:14 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-02 10:34 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 18:37 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 19:15 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-03 01:34 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 12:10 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-05 12:11 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-05 13:42 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-01 22:25 -0500
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-02 11:24 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-02 12:02 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-05 14:42 +0000
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 11:06 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-07 15:41 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:41 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-09 14:14 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-09 15:05 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-05-10 00:33 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 14:25 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-05-12 14:29 +0100
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-12 20:59 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-12 16:51 -0400
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:44 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-14 18:42 +0200
Re: Can't connect to laptop Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> - 2025-05-16 14:46 +0200
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 13:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <po20ogow81cm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18798 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On the problem PC, go into Services.msc, and examine the Computer > Browser service: > > It should have Status=Running, Startup Type=Manual or possibly > Automatic (Delayed Start). > > Is it running? Computer browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0 which Microsoft does not install, by default, since Windows 10. SMB 1.0 is vulnerable. My Windows 10 services.msc doesn't even list the Computer Browser service. As per below, it is shown deselected (not installed). To reenable SMB 1.0: - Run: optionalfeatures.exe - Enable "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support". - Reboot. The WS-Discovery protocol showed up in Windows Vista. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/wsdapi/ws-discovery-specification-compliancehttps://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/wsdapi/ws-discovery-specification-compliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WS-Discovery WS-Discovery does not prevent Computer Browser from finding and populating the Network Neighborhood folder. With both running, and each doing its discovery, the resulting list of computers and network devices is twice as many: one list from each protocol. The following 2 services must be available, too, and Running status: - Function Discovery Provider Host (Manual startup) - Function Discovery Resource Publication (Auto triggered startup) I just realized the UPnP Device Host service must be running. Not available, and not Manual startup, but in Started status. Per the service's description: Allows UPnP devices to be hosted on this computer. If this service is stopped, any hosted UPnP devices will stop functioning and no additional hosted devices can be added. If this service is disabled, any services that explicitly depend on it will fail to start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play In the Network and and Sharing Center under Advanced settings, both network discovery and file and printer sharing are turned off, but that is because I'm using the Public networking profile. Sharing doesn't work under the Public profile. Need to use the Private profile. Fokke said his computers are using the Private profile, but he needs to check network discovery and sharing are both enabled under that networking profile. Previously he said network discovery was enabled, but I forgot to ask about sharing in his Private profile. Sharing doesn't work across subnets which are treated as separate networks (a network within a network). Sharing works via broadcast traffic, but broadcast traffic doesn't travel across subnets. Fokke says his computers are configured with static IP addresses by MAC at the DHCP server in his router/modem. That's one way to do it, but I go into the adapter settings on my hosts to define which static IP address they get, the subnet mask, and do so for *both* IPv4 and IPv6. I have the hosts assigned their static IP address, not have the DHCP server assign IP addresses that are fixed per MAC address. Just in case his static setup is incorrect, I'd switch to dynamic addressing on hosts and in the DHCP server, and retest sharing. Once that is working, switch the hosts, one at a time, back to static addressing. With Fokke specifying static IP addresses for his hosts, but he might have them on different subnets. Don't know what static IP addresses Fokke is using on his hosts. If the hosts are on different subnets, I believe sharing will still work if you use IP addresses instead of hostnames, like: \\ipaddrs\\sharename instead of: \\hostname\sharename Fokke said he could ping his wife's host from his, so I'd try using her IP address instead of her computer name. If the hosts are on different subnets, use IP addresses. In the past, WINS was used to resolve NetBIOS hostnames across subnets. If UNC pathing works with IP addresses, I'd map a drive to each share using: net use h: \\ipaddress\sharename /persistent:yes (Drive h: is an example. Use whatever drive letter is available.) If Fokke can't get any of this flaky Microsoft sharing, login credentials, and permissions to all work together, I'd get rid of wifi in the setup, and go with wired connections (Ethernet cable) between the hosts. If sharing still doesn't work, maybe go with an FTP server (on the best managed host) or a NAS device, and put the files there to share. Or go really old-school with sneakernet.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 22:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv0pdm$3hp9u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18909 |
On 2025-05-01 19:16, VanguardLH wrote: > > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >> On the problem PC, go into Services.msc, and examine the Computer >> Browser service: >> >> It should have Status=Running, Startup Type=Manual or possibly >> Automatic (Delayed Start). >> >> Is it running? > > Computer browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0 which Microsoft does > not install, by default, since Windows 10. Nonsense, the Computer Browser service is the one that actually supplies the 'NetBIOS over TCP/IP' functionality, which doesn't depend on the version of SaMBa, only that a version of it is running, as you can check by looking at its dependencies, which on this PC include both SMBv1, because I have enabled it to allow an XP machine to connect, and SMBv2. Further, the OP himself has indicated that the service is installed, enabled, and running correctly on the problem W11 PC. Further still, when myself I follow the advice I gave to him about enabling the visibility of the Discovery Method in Explorer's Network view, I note that all but one of my systems there are discovered by NetBIOS, except this one which comes up as WSD, so all the *OTHER* machines were discovered by NetBIOS, which is provided by the Computer Browser service. As for the rest of your splurge which I have snipped, how exactly was any of that supposed to help the OP? -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 18:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1hl0wuf6al96j$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18916 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > VanguardLH wrote: >> >> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> On the problem PC, go into Services.msc, and examine the Computer >>> Browser service: >>> >>> It should have Status=Running, Startup Type=Manual or possibly >>> Automatic (Delayed Start). >>> >>> Is it running? >> >> Computer browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0 which Microsoft does >> not install, by default, since Windows 10. > > Nonsense, the Computer Browser service is the one that actually supplies > the 'NetBIOS over TCP/IP' functionality, which doesn't depend on the > version of SaMBa, only that a version of it is running, as you can check > by looking at its dependencies, which on this PC include both SMBv1, > because I have enabled it to allow an XP machine to connect, and SMBv2. Computer Browser relies on broadcasting which won't work across network segments. That's why I asked Fokke about which subnets each host was configured to be within, and others have asked what network devices were between the hosts. Yes, Computer Browser uses Netbios and SMBv1 to provide the "My Network Places" or "Network Neighborhood" collections, but SMBv1 was disabled by default since Windows 10 1709 by Microsoft because of vulnerabilities to malware. No SMBv2 means no Computer Browser. They are bundled together. You have to go into optionalfeatures.exe to see SMBv1 is not installed, and then install it SMB 1.0 which incidentally also installs Computer Browser. To check, you can also run the following in Powershell: Get-SmbServerConfiguration | Select EnableSMB1Protocol False means it isn't available. Get-SmbServerConfiguration | Select EnableSMB2Protocol should return True. Maybe you and Fokke did upgrades to Windows 10, so you brought along SMBv1 and Computer Browser from your prior version of Windows. > Further, the OP himself has indicated that the service is installed, > enabled, and running correctly on the problem W11 PC. > > Further still, when myself I follow the advice I gave to him about > enabling the visibility of the Discovery Method in Explorer's Network > view, I note that all but one of my systems there are discovered by > NetBIOS, except this one which comes up as WSD, so all the *OTHER* > machines were discovered by NetBIOS, which is provided by the Computer > Browser service. > > As for the rest of your splurge which I have snipped, how exactly was > any of that supposed to help the OP? You and Fokke have the Computer Browser service, but I don't. Perhaps that is because you both have your computers in the Private networking profile, and I don't (no sharing in the Public networking profile). Or, because I do fresh installs of Windows, so the dross from the old version isn't carried forward. If all your intranet hosts are using Windows 10, or up, and you stop the Computer Browser service and set to Disabled, can see the other hosts using just Network Discovery? Windows 10+ clients should rely solely on the WS-Discovery protocol. Under the Private networking profile, is says: Network Discovery When network discovery is on, this computer can see other network computers and devices and is visible to other network computers. I also mentioned the other services that need to be available or running. In addition, in the Windows Firewall's allowed apps, the following must be enabled: mDNS (Multicast DNS) When an mDNS client needs to resolve a hostname, it sends an IP multicast query message that asks the host having that name to identify itself. That target machine then multicasts a message that includes its IP address. All machines in that subnet can then use that information to update their mDNS caches. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_DNS) Network Discovery This feature allows this computer to discover other devices and be discovered by other devices on the network. (Uses Function Discovery Host and Publication Services, UPnP, SSDP, NetBIOS and LLMNR) I mentioned the Function Discovery services, and UPnP, but neglected the SSDP, Netbios, and LLMNR services mentioned in the description of the Network Discovery app allowed in the firewall.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 02:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv18n7$34cr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18925 |
On 2025-05-02 00:42, VanguardLH wrote: > > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >> VanguardLH wrote: >>> >>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> On the problem PC, go into Services.msc, and examine the Computer >>>> Browser service: >>>> >>>> It should have Status=Running, Startup Type=Manual or possibly >>>> Automatic (Delayed Start). >>>> >>>> Is it running? >>> >>> Computer browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0 which Microsoft does >>> not install, by default, since Windows 10. >> >> Nonsense, the Computer Browser service is the one that actually supplies >> the 'NetBIOS over TCP/IP' functionality, which doesn't depend on the >> version of SaMBa, only that a version of it is running, as you can check >> by looking at its dependencies, which on this PC include both SMBv1, >> because I have enabled it to allow an XP machine to connect, and SMBv2. > > Computer Browser relies on broadcasting which won't work across network > segments. That's why I asked Fokke about which subnets each host was > configured to be within, and others have asked what network devices were > between the hosts. But that's not what you said above, ie it's different from "Computer Browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0", so this looks like an attempt to move the goalposts. > Yes, Computer Browser uses Netbios and SMBv1 ... Not necessarily SMBv1, it works with SMBv2 also. [Snip apparent muddling between SMBv1&2, which anyway is not relevant to the OP or his problem.] >> Further, the OP himself has indicated that the service is installed, >> enabled, and running correctly on the problem W11 PC. >> >> Further still, when myself I follow the advice I gave to him about >> enabling the visibility of the Discovery Method in Explorer's Network >> view, I note that all but one of my systems there are discovered by >> NetBIOS, except this one which comes up as WSD, so all the *OTHER* >> machines were discovered by NetBIOS, which is provided by the Computer >> Browser service. >> >> As for the rest of your splurge which I have snipped, how exactly was >> any of that supposed to help the OP? > > You and Fokke have the Computer Browser service, but I don't. Whether or not you think it is needed, and whether or not it is in fact actually needed, the Computer Browser service is not his problem, because anyway he's already demonstrated that it's running correctly! > I mentioned the Function Discovery services, and UPnP, but neglected the > SSDP, Netbios, and LLMNR services mentioned in the description of the > Network Discovery app allowed in the firewall. We'll know what method of discovery is being used after he brings the relevant Explorer column into view, until then, it's probably best not to overwhelm him with long spools of possibly irrelevant information. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 22:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4nvtg9txzaru$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18930 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > VanguardLH wrote: > >> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >>> VanguardLH wrote: >>> >>>> Computer browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0 which Microsoft >>>> does not install, by default, since Windows 10. >>> >>> Nonsense, the Computer Browser service is the one that actually >>> supplies the 'NetBIOS over TCP/IP' functionality, which doesn't >>> depend on the version of SaMBa, only that a version of it is >>> running, as you can check by looking at its dependencies, which on >>> this PC include both SMBv1, because I have enabled it to allow an >>> XP machine to connect, and SMBv2. From what I've read, Computer Browser uses SMBv1. That's why you have to go to optionalfeatures.exe to install SMBv1. When you install SMBv1 then you also get Computer Browser. Since I did *not* install SMBv1, Computer Browser won't show up, so no way to check its dependencies. They're bundled together. > But that's not what you said above, ie it's different from "Computer > Browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0", so this looks like an attempt > to move the goalposts. Legacy. Not installed by default. Whatever. > [Snip apparent muddling between SMBv1&2, which anyway is not relevant > to the OP or his problem.] Since you already knew, why did /YOU/ bring up Computer Browser? I clarified and expounded on what /YOU/ brought up.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 11:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv264m$t209$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18932 |
On 2025-05-02 04:23, VanguardLH wrote:
>
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Computer browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0 which Microsoft
>>>>> does not install, by default, since Windows 10.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense, the Computer Browser service is the one that actually
>>>> supplies the 'NetBIOS over TCP/IP' functionality, which doesn't
>>>> depend on the version of SaMBa, only that a version of it is
>>>> running, as you can check by looking at its dependencies, which on
>>>> this PC include both SMBv1, because I have enabled it to allow an
>>>> XP machine to connect, and SMBv2.
>
> From what I've read, Computer Browser uses SMBv1.
Then you need to provide some sort of provenance, because IME this
simply isn't true, see below ...
>> But that's not what you said above, ie it's different from "Computer
>> Browser is a legacy service for SMB 1.0", so this looks like an attempt
>> to move the goalposts.
>
> Legacy. Not installed by default. Whatever.
No, the point immediately above was that your understanding of the
Computer Browser service is mistaken, and you appeared to be trying to
disguise that by fudging the issue:
Google "What is the Computer Browser service in Windows" [my caps]:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+computer+browser+service+in+windows>
"AI Overview
The Computer Browser service in Windows is responsible for allowing
users to easily browse and locate shared resources on other computers
within a network. It does this by aggregating information about
available resources on a "Master Browser" and then having other
computers query this Master Browser for the list of resources to display
in Network Neighborhood or Windows Explorer.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Function:
The service simplifies the process of finding and accessing shared
files, printers, and other network resources.
Master Browser:
A designated computer (the Master Browser) maintains a list of
available network resources.
Browsing:
Clients (other computers on the network) query the Master Browser
to obtain the list of resources, which is then displayed in Network
Neighborhood or Windows Explorer.
Limited to Single Subnet:
The service relies on broadcasting, so it is primarily effective
within a single IP subnet.
Legacy Service:
WHILE STILL FUNCTIONAL, the Computer Browser service is a legacy
feature, and Microsoft recommends using newer technologies like Network
Discovery or WS-Discovery for more modern networks.
Enabling:
If the service is not enabled or running, you may not be able to
see shared resources in Network Neighborhood or Windows Explorer. You
can enable it through the Services tool in Windows."
So pretty much exactly as I described, and in particular no mention of
any particular version of SaMBa.
>> [Snip apparent muddling between SMBv1&2, which anyway is not relevant
>> to the OP or his problem.]
>
> Since you already knew, why did /YOU/ bring up Computer Browser? I
> clarified and expounded on what /YOU/ brought up.
At the time of my original post which first brought it up, the OP
himself had already mentioned enabling "NetBIOS over TCP/IP",
functionality which is supplied by the Computer Browser service which
therefore is why I mentioned it, and we did NOT know that problem PC's
Computer Browser service was running correctly until his own reply to me
made clear that it was. However, you posted your confusing and
misleading splurge well AFTER the OP had replied, so, filled as it was
with a fair amount of erroneous and a great deal of irrelevant detail,
your post was just unnecessarily confusing and misleading, and I doubt
it helped him at all.
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 06:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1r56auavk7rvd.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18950 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > VanguardLH wrote: > >> From what I've read, Computer Browser uses SMBv1. > > Then you need to provide some sort of provenance, because IME this > simply isn't true, see below ... See Message-ID: <o1c7v4t31x1a.dlg@v.nguard.lh> where I cited Microsoft's statement, which was, again: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/file-server/troubleshoot/smbv1-not-installed-by-default-in-windows "Because the Computer Browser service relies on SMBv1, the service is uninstalled if the SMBv1 client or server is uninstalled." I rarely use Google's search anymore. Instead I use Startpage which uses Google Search but anonymizes me to Google's server: https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?query=microsoft+smbv1+computer+browser+bundle 2nd search hit found the above MS article. The first hit was: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/file-server/troubleshoot/detect-enable-and-disable-smbv1-v2-v3 which is where I found and reported the Powershell commands to determine which SMB version were installed. So, do you or do you not have SMBv1 installed? Did you check? Is Computer Browser still available after you uninstall SMBv1 (save an image backup beforehand to undo the uninstall should a later install fail)? You keep saying any SMB version results in the presence of Computer Browser, but that is very likely because you've had SMBv1 installed since forever. So, you've had SMBv1 and SMBv2 installed, saw you had Computer Browser, but never actually verified if Computer Browser survives if you do *not* have SMBv1 installed. I do not have SMBv1 installed, and why I do not have Computer Browser. My experience matches up with what Microsoft stated. optionalfeatures.exe Uncheck "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" to uninstall. Restart Windows. Is Computer Browser still available? > Google "What is the Computer Browser service in Windows" [my caps]: > > <https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+computer+browser+service+in+windows> > > "AI Overview > > The Computer Browser service in Windows is responsible for allowing > users to easily browse and locate shared resources on other computers > within a network. It does this by aggregating information about > available resources on a "Master Browser" and then having other > computers query this Master Browser for the list of resources to display > in Network Neighborhood or Windows Explorer. > Here's a more detailed explanation: > > Function: > The service simplifies the process of finding and accessing shared > files, printers, and other network resources. > Master Browser: > A designated computer (the Master Browser) maintains a list of > available network resources. > Browsing: > Clients (other computers on the network) query the Master Browser > to obtain the list of resources, which is then displayed in Network > Neighborhood or Windows Explorer. > Limited to Single Subnet: > The service relies on broadcasting, so it is primarily effective > within a single IP subnet. > Legacy Service: > WHILE STILL FUNCTIONAL, the Computer Browser service is a legacy > feature, and Microsoft recommends using newer technologies like Network > Discovery or WS-Discovery for more modern networks. > Enabling: > If the service is not enabled or running, you may not be able to > see shared resources in Network Neighborhood or Windows Explorer. You > can enable it through the Services tool in Windows." > > So pretty much exactly as I described, and in particular no mention of > any particular version of SaMBa. So, Google's AI search mentions "legacy", but you take issue when I said legacy. Where in the AI's aggregate content (for which it never cites sources) did it mention on which SMB version the Computer Browser service relies, or even mention SMB? Have you not yet had to report erroneous or missing information spewed out by Google's AI? Since getting foisted on me by their AI (when I've used Google's search which is not often nowadays), I've had to repeatedly report missing information, incorrect information, or misinformation. Since it doesn't cite sources, I cannot verify from where it extracted the information it presents. Depends on where their AI collects its information, er, blurb. Many articles about Computer Browser never mention SMB. Even you declare SMB is necessary for Computer Browser, but Google's AI makes no mention of SMB. Don't expect their AI to be comprehensive. When looking in services.msc, I'd like to see what description it shows you for the Computer Browser service. You sure it says "SMBv2"? Does it even mention SMB? When looking at the details of the Computer Browser service (double-click on it), copy the Description field. I cannot look, because Computer Browser is not installed, because SMBv1 is not installed in my Win10 setup. Under the Dependencies tab for Computer Browser, and after expanding all tree nodes, take a screen pic of the window to show the Dependencies list. I'd like to see it saying which version of SMB is required.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 13:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv2dpr$13m5j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18957 |
On 2025-05-02 12:05, VanguardLH wrote: > > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >> VanguardLH wrote: >>> >>> From what I've read, Computer Browser uses SMBv1. >> >> Then you need to provide some sort of provenance, because IME this >> simply isn't true, see below ... > > See Message-ID: <o1c7v4t31x1a.dlg@v.nguard.lh> where I cited Microsoft's > statement, which was, again: See my reply there. I understand now why you wrote that the Computer Browser service relies upon SMBv1, having found MS documentation to that effect you are bound to go with it, but that documentation doesn't match my own actual experience, and I'm bound to go with that. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point, and concentrate instead on helping the OP with his issue. > So, do you or do you not have SMBv1 installed? I've already told that you that currently I have SMBv1 enabled, to allow an XP PC to connect, but I've also already told you, somewhat by implication, that in the past I've had the Computer Browser service running without SMBv1 being enabled. >> Google "What is the Computer Browser service in Windows" [my caps]: >> >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+computer+browser+service+in+windows> >> >> "AI Overview >> [...] >> Legacy Service: >> WHILE STILL FUNCTIONAL, the Computer Browser service is a legacy >> feature, and Microsoft recommends using newer technologies like Network >> Discovery or WS-Discovery for more modern networks. >> [...]" >> >> So pretty much exactly as I described, and in particular no mention of >> any particular version of SaMBa. > > So, Google's AI search mentions "legacy", but you take issue when I said > legacy. No, I took issue at your insistence that the Computer Browser service relies upon SMBv1, because I know that in the past I've had the service running on a machine where SMBv1 was disabled. > Even you declare SMB is necessary for Computer Browser, but Google's AI > makes no mention of SMB. Don't expect their AI to be comprehensive. Ditto Microsoft's Documentation, which may be updated automatically by a Content Delivery System giving it recent dates without actually having been perused by a human being in many years, and even then, when it was last edited by a an actual human, he or she could simply have copy'n'pasted something from some piece of legacy documentation from the XP era without checking its actual veracity still holds true in more modern systems. > When looking in services.msc, I'd like to see what description it shows > you for the Computer Browser service. You sure it says "SMBv2"? I never claimed it did, merely that on this PC the dependencies of its dependencies include both SMBv1 and SMBv2. Further, under Server, the SMBv1 entry is itself dependent on SMBv2 (!), while under Workstation both are dependent on a generic "SMB MiniRedirector Wrapper and Engine", none of which suggest to me an absolute dependence on SMBv1. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 13:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv2eqo$14kdu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18963 |
On 2025-05-02 13:28, Java Jive wrote: > > I've already told that you that currently I have SMBv1 enabled, to allow > an XP PC to connect, but I've also already told you, somewhat by > implication, that in the past I've had the Computer Browser service > running without SMBv1 being enabled. The above was my 3rd attempt at a reply, because on the first attempt Thunderbird did its "connection into a black hole" trick when I tried to send, and, although the draft was there when I closed it, when I relaunched it, the draft had vanished. On the second attempt my PC got into some sort of Control-key lock which I could only escape from by shutting down, and by the time of the above successful attempt I'd forgotten to include something important that had made it into the first two drafts ... On the OP's problem W11 machine - as far as we know 'as supplied' except to enable "NetBIOS over TCP/IP", no mention of separately enabling SMBv1 - the Computer Browser service on that PC was up and running. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 08:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <168qlli06kv4c.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18965 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On the OP's problem W11 machine - as far as we know 'as supplied' > except to enable "NetBIOS over TCP/IP", no mention of separately > enabling SMBv1 - the Computer Browser service on that PC was up and > running. Message-ID: <po20ogow81cm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> I mentioned how to look at optional features to see if SMBv1 was installed. Message-ID: <m7jji6FiuinU6@mid.individual.net> Fokke did not mention if he looked, or what he saw. I'm pretty sure it is installed for him. Per other sources, SMBv1 and Computer Browser are bundled together.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 14:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv2j1n$1840g$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18969 |
On 2025-05-02 14:46, VanguardLH wrote: > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > >> On the OP's problem W11 machine - as far as we know 'as supplied' >> except to enable "NetBIOS over TCP/IP", no mention of separately >> enabling SMBv1 - the Computer Browser service on that PC was up and >> running. > > Message-ID: <po20ogow81cm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> > > I mentioned how to look at optional features to see if SMBv1 was > installed. > > Message-ID: <m7jji6FiuinU6@mid.individual.net> > > Fokke did not mention if he looked, or what he saw. I'm pretty sure it > is installed for him. Per other sources, SMBv1 and Computer Browser are > bundled together. Which I dispute the veracity of. We'll see if he follows your suggestion and clarifies the matter, but, either way, I don't think it helps with his problem, because the service is running anyway. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 10:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <phxucf9uxjhn.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18971 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-05-02 14:46, VanguardLH wrote: >> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On the OP's problem W11 machine - as far as we know 'as supplied' >>> except to enable "NetBIOS over TCP/IP", no mention of separately >>> enabling SMBv1 - the Computer Browser service on that PC was up and >>> running. >> >> Message-ID: <po20ogow81cm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> >> >> I mentioned how to look at optional features to see if SMBv1 was >> installed. >> >> Message-ID: <m7jji6FiuinU6@mid.individual.net> >> >> Fokke did not mention if he looked, or what he saw. I'm pretty sure it >> is installed for him. Per other sources, SMBv1 and Computer Browser are >> bundled together. > > Which I dispute the veracity of. We'll see if he follows your > suggestion and clarifies the matter, but, either way, I don't think it > helps with his problem, because the service is running anyway. Even if SMBv1 is shown as installed in optionalfeatures.exe, there are 2 sub-options: SMBv1 client, and SMBv1 server. Both need to be installed for 2-way file sharing, and on both endpoints that are sharing.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 18:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv2uhr$1iavq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18975 |
On 2025-05-02 16:30, VanguardLH wrote: > > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >> On 2025-05-02 14:46, VanguardLH wrote: >>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On the OP's problem W11 machine - as far as we know 'as supplied' >>>> except to enable "NetBIOS over TCP/IP", no mention of separately >>>> enabling SMBv1 - the Computer Browser service on that PC was up and >>>> running. >>> >>> Message-ID: <po20ogow81cm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> >>> >>> I mentioned how to look at optional features to see if SMBv1 was >>> installed. >>> >>> Message-ID: <m7jji6FiuinU6@mid.individual.net> >>> >>> Fokke did not mention if he looked, or what he saw. I'm pretty sure it >>> is installed for him. Per other sources, SMBv1 and Computer Browser are >>> bundled together. >> >> Which I dispute the veracity of. We'll see if he follows your >> suggestion and clarifies the matter, but, either way, I don't think it >> helps with his problem, because the service is running anyway. > > Even if SMBv1 is shown as installed in optionalfeatures.exe, there are 2 > sub-options: SMBv1 client, and SMBv1 server. Both need to be installed > for 2-way file sharing, and on both endpoints that are sharing. WTF? Your whole argument up to this point is that the Computer Browser service is legacy tech requiring SMBv1 (I dispute the SMBv1 requirement, but that doesn't matter on this particular point). Meanwhile, he only needs SMBv1 if he has an old PC that cannot run SMBv2 or any of the other modern name calling options. From what he has told us about his network, that is not the case here, so why are you now suggesting that he should enable SMBv1, when, by your own previous claims, Computer Browser has no real relevance to W11 and isn't even installed by default, and anyway he's already proved that the service is apparently working satisfactorily? -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 10:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nbym2nn2n0uu$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18971 |
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-05-02 14:46, VanguardLH wrote: >> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On the OP's problem W11 machine - as far as we know 'as supplied' >>> except to enable "NetBIOS over TCP/IP", no mention of separately >>> enabling SMBv1 - the Computer Browser service on that PC was up and >>> running. >> >> Message-ID: <po20ogow81cm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> >> >> I mentioned how to look at optional features to see if SMBv1 was >> installed. >> >> Message-ID: <m7jji6FiuinU6@mid.individual.net> >> >> Fokke did not mention if he looked, or what he saw. I'm pretty sure it >> is installed for him. Per other sources, SMBv1 and Computer Browser are >> bundled together. > > Which I dispute the veracity of. We'll see if he follows your > suggestion and clarifies the matter, but, either way, I don't think it > helps with his problem, because the service is running anyway. Then you should have no problems after uninstalling SMBv1. You'll temporarily lose the XP host, but you would be testing with your other hosts that your assertion that Computer Browser can use SMBv2. Then reinstall SMBv1.
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 18:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv2vse$1jfgf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18976 |
On 2025-05-02 16:34, VanguardLH wrote: > > Then you should have no problems after uninstalling SMBv1. You'll > temporarily lose the XP host, but you would be testing with your other > hosts that your assertion that Computer Browser can use SMBv2. Then > reinstall SMBv1. I'm not going to f*k around with the configuration of any of my PCs at your behest, not least because, even if I did, I couldn't be sure that you would believe me anyway - after all you haven't so far, despite my explaining to you ... 1) The dependencies for the Computer Browser service on this PC; 2) That in the past that I have run a PC with SMBv1 disabled and had the Computer Browser service on it running; 3) Pointing out that we both know of a W11 PC that has the Computer Browser service running on it with no known configuration change other than to enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP. So I think it's much more likely that, instead of believing anything I'd write, merely you'd find another excuse to continue an increasingly pointless argument! -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 19:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m7kcteFn1a4U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #18969 |
On 02/05/2025 15:46, VanguardLH wrote: > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote: > >> On the OP's problem W11 machine - as far as we know 'as supplied' >> except to enable "NetBIOS over TCP/IP", no mention of separately >> enabling SMBv1 - the Computer Browser service on that PC was up and >> running. > > Message-ID: <po20ogow81cm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> > > I mentioned how to look at optional features to see if SMBv1 was > installed. > > Message-ID: <m7jji6FiuinU6@mid.individual.net> > > Fokke did not mention if he looked, or what he saw. I'm pretty sure it > is installed for him. Per other sources, SMBv1 and Computer Browser are > bundled together. How would I check if SMBv1 ia installed? Fokke
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 01:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10y6x8pvxo83z$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #18989 |
Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> wrote:
> How would I check if SMBv1 ia installed?
- Run: optionalfeatures.exe
- Enable "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support".
o Check both client and server sub-options are selected.
- Reboot.
If "SMB 1.0/CIFS" was already selected, you already have SMBv1.
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| From | Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 12:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m7rh4sFrbb7U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19006 |
On 03/05/2025 08:34, VanguardLH wrote: > Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> wrote: > >> How would I check if SMBv1 ia installed? > > - Run: optionalfeatures.exe > - Enable "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support". > o Check both client and server sub-options are selected. > - Reboot. > > If "SMB 1.0/CIFS" was already selected, you already have SMBv1. I did. Both client and server were not selected. I selected them and deselected SMB delete ... After a reboot there was still no access to the laptop. Fokke
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| From | Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 12:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vva6cn$bc3r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19053 |
On 2025-05-05 11:10, Fokke Nauta wrote: > On 03/05/2025 08:34, VanguardLH wrote: >> Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> wrote: >> >>> How would I check if SMBv1 ia installed? >> >> - Run: optionalfeatures.exe >> - Enable "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support". >> o Check both client and server sub-options are selected. >> - Reboot. >> >> If "SMB 1.0/CIFS" was already selected, you already have SMBv1. > > I did. Both client and server were not selected. As expected ... > I selected them ... but what do you mean by ... > and > deselected SMB delete ... ...? > After a reboot there was still no access to the laptop. Again as expected I'm afraid, but at least it means we don't have to chase VanguardLH's ghost non-problem any more*. * Although I did think there was a faint chance that selecting SMBv1, and rebooting, might make a difference to the problem, and then the question would have been did the difference remain after deselecting it, and rebooting? My reasoning was that if there was some misconfiguration of NetBIOS or the like, forcing a reinstallation might fix the misconfiguration as a side-effect, and then we would have had to prove whether the fix remained after deselection, whether or not actually it had been SMBv1 as such that had been the issue. Thankfully though, we don't have to argue about that. While the results from the network discovery method described elsewhere in the thread might still be interesting, and also it's possible it's a firewall or AV issue as others have suggested, or even an actual virus, I'm beginning to think that the only way of nailing it is going to be a close comparison between the two identical W11 PCs, setting by setting, service by service, running process by running process. It's very tedious doing that, but often it works when all else fails. -- Fake news kills! I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk
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| From | Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 13:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m7rmhnFs88vU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19059 |
On 05/05/2025 13:11, Java Jive wrote: > On 2025-05-05 11:10, Fokke Nauta wrote: >> On 03/05/2025 08:34, VanguardLH wrote: >>> Fokke Nauta <fnauta@solfon.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> How would I check if SMBv1 ia installed? >>> >>> - Run: optionalfeatures.exe >>> - Enable "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support". >>> o Check both client and server sub-options are selected. >>> - Reboot. >>> >>> If "SMB 1.0/CIFS" was already selected, you already have SMBv1. >> >> I did. Both client and server were not selected. > > As expected ... > >> I selected them > > ... but what do you mean by ... > >> and deselected SMB delete ... > > ...? There were 3 options. One of them was selected, and it was something like Delete SMB 'and something'. I deselected it and selected the other two. > >> After a reboot there was still no access to the laptop. > > Again as expected I'm afraid, but at least it means we don't have to > chase VanguardLH's ghost non-problem any more*. > > * Although I did think there was a faint chance that selecting SMBv1, > and rebooting, might make a difference to the problem, and then the > question would have been did the difference remain after deselecting it, > and rebooting? I didn't do that. > My reasoning was that if there was some misconfiguration > of NetBIOS or the like, forcing a reinstallation might fix the > misconfiguration as a side-effect, and then we would have had to prove > whether the fix remained after deselection, whether or not actually it > had been SMBv1 as such that had been the issue. Thankfully though, we > don't have to argue about that. > > While the results from the network discovery method described elsewhere > in the thread might still be interesting, and also it's possible it's a > firewall or AV issue as others have suggested, or even an actual virus, > I'm beginning to think that the only way of nailing it is going to be a > close comparison between the two identical W11 PCs, setting by setting, > service by service, running process by running process. It's very > tedious doing that, but often it works when all else fails. Fokke >
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