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  W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 20:15 -0800
    Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-21 02:46 -0500
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 23:51 -0800
      Re: W12 release? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-01-25 20:29 +0800
    Re: W12 release? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-21 08:46 +0000
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 00:56 -0800
    Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 03:18 -0700
    Re: W12 release? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-21 19:04 +0100
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 10:50 -0800
        Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-21 15:04 -0500
          Re: W12 release? Me <me@mars.invalid> - 2025-01-22 02:27 +0000
            Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:33 -0800
            Re: W12 release? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-30 21:11 +1100
              Re: W12 release? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-30 10:48 +0000
                Re: W12 release? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-30 07:17 -0500
                  Re: W12 release? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-01 21:02 +1100
              Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 13:43 -0800
                Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-30 19:29 -0500
                  Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 17:27 -0800
                    Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-30 21:54 -0500
                      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 20:04 -0800
                Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-31 11:10 -0700
                  Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 11:10 -0800
                    Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-01 01:42 -0700
                      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 10:02 -0800
                        Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-01 12:54 -0700
              Re: W12 release? "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-30 17:07 -0500
                Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 14:27 -0800
                Re: W12 release? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-01-31 22:31 +0000
              Re: W12 release? Ali Mirza <ali.mirza@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-31 01:25 +0000
                Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 18:44 -0800
                Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-31 11:16 -0700
                  Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 11:11 -0800
          Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 21:58 -0700
            Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-22 01:27 -0500
              Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 13:40 -0700
          Re: W12 release? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-22 19:13 +0100
          Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:32 -0800
        Re: W12 release? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 08:12 +0000
          Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:35 -0800
            Re: W12 release? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 07:54 +0000
    Re: W12 release? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-22 09:07 -0500
      Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:57 -0500
        Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:43 -0800
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:42 -0800
    Re: W12 release? Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-01-22 17:43 +0000
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:43 -0800

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#16437 — W12 release?

I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
October 2024 end of support for W10?

Hope springs eternal?

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#16438

On Mon, 1/20/2025 11:15 PM, T wrote:
> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
> October 2024 end of support for W10?
> 
> Hope springs eternal?

The staff are still in the lunch room playing cards.

   Paul

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#16439

On 1/20/25 11:46 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 1/20/2025 11:15 PM, T wrote:
>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>>
>> Hope springs eternal?
> 
> The staff are still in the lunch room playing cards.
> 
>     Paul


11 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm4Rll9axkQ

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#16513

On 21/1/2025 3:46 pm, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 1/20/2025 11:15 PM, T wrote:
>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>>
>> Hope springs eternal?
> 
> The staff are still in the lunch room playing cards.

Micro$oft is yet to understand securd, managed, fault-tolerant 
distributed computing! And A.I. as well!! ;)

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#16440

T wrote:

> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
> October 2024 end of support for W10?
> Hope springs eternal?
It might come with a hotfix for the calendar?

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#16441

On 1/21/25 12:46 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> T wrote:
> 
>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>> Hope springs eternal?
> It might come with a hotfix for the calendar?


I am trying to get around my PCI people on W10 having
to upgrade all the hardware for W11 just to have W11
expire in two years again

Be nice to just do one upgrade

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#16442

T wrote on 1/20/25 9:15 PM:
> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
> October 2024 end of support for W10?
> 
> Hope springs eternal?
> 
> 
October 2025 is EOS for Win10 22H2, support for earlier versions of Win10 
has already ended.

Windows initial release date, end of support
Win7   2009, 2020
Win8   2012, 2023
Win8.1 2013, 2023
Win10  2015, 22H2(2025)

Win11  2021, 23H2(2025), 24H2(2026)

Win12 -  tbd
  The safest prediction at this time, would be W12 features/bits included 
in Win11 24H2(or later) followed by Win12 initial release
  - since Win12 has yet to be officially announced, fall 2025 may be 
possible...but with 24H2 EOS(2026), a 2026 date is also possible.

  Also of potential importance...Win 12 may be limited to CoPilot+ system 
requirements, which would also indicate a Win11 25H2 release before the 
next Windows version(12 in 2025 to coincide with 25H2 or later[2026]).

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16448

On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:15:13 -0800, T wrote:

> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
> October 2024 end of support for W10?

What about hardwire requirements? Every W10 I've tested didn't have the
right hardware for an upgrade to W11, let alone W12.

-- 
s|b

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#16449

On 1/21/25 10:04 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:15:13 -0800, T wrote:
> 
>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
> 
> What about hardwire requirements? Every W10 I've tested didn't have the
> right hardware for an upgrade to W11, let alone W12.
> 


I am trying to get around my PCI people on W10 having
to upgrade all the hardware for W11 just to have W11
expire in two years again

Be nice to just do one hardware & software upgrade
instead of two

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#16452

On Tue, 1/21/2025 1:50 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/21/25 10:04 AM, s|b wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:15:13 -0800, T wrote:
>>
>>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>>
>> What about hardwire requirements? Every W10 I've tested didn't have the
>> right hardware for an upgrade to W11, let alone W12.
>>
> 
> 
> I am trying to get around my PCI people on W10 having
> to upgrade all the hardware for W11 just to have W11
> expire in two years again
> 
> Be nice to just do one hardware & software upgrade
> instead of two

When you needed it, the W12 might not be "ripe".

Staggered is the right answer.

Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
It took forever. They might "finish" W12, then have
an extended testing period.

   Paul

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#16453

On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:

> 
> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
> It took forever. 

No it was released on time or some would say before time.

YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and 
it has always been the case.

Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities. 
Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is 
now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"

<https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/01/18/microsoft-just-renamed-office-to-microsoft-365-copilot-on-windows-11-for-everyone/>

<https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/12/18/microsoft-365-app-rebranding-to-microsoft-365-copilot-causing-more-confusion-on-windows/>

It looks like Microsoft has become a non-entity in the tech industry. 
Did anyone notice that Microsoft was not represented at the the Trump's 
inauguration? All the big boys from the tech industry were there but 
nobody from Microsoft. What the hell is going on? Is it because 
Microsoft refused to pay USD 1 Million to Trump's inauguration fund?

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#16464

On 1/21/25 6:27 PM, Me wrote:
>   For example MO365 is
> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"

Oh No!!!!

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#16623

On 22/01/2025 1:27 pm, Me wrote:
> On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>> It took forever.
> 
> No it was released on time or some would say before time.
> 
> YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and
> it has always been the case.
> 
> Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities.
> Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is
> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"

(As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all 
about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than 
just plain old ordinary Win 11??
-- 
Daniel70

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#16624

Daniel70 wrote:

> What is Copilot all about?

An AI assistant, MS think it's worth plastering its name onto everything 
because they think it's "cool"

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#16629

On 01/30/2025 5:48 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Daniel70 wrote:
> 
>> What is Copilot all about?
> 
> An AI assistant, MS think it's worth plastering its name onto everything 
> because they think it's "cool"
And pretty much worthless

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#16670

On 30/01/2025 11:17 pm, knuttle wrote:
> On 01/30/2025 5:48 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Daniel70 wrote:
>>
>>> What is Copilot all about?
>>
>> An AI assistant, MS think it's worth plastering its name onto 
>> everything because they think it's "cool"
> And pretty much worthless

O.key. Do.key!! (I think that's how it's spelt!! ;-P )
-- 
Daniel70

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#16635

On 1/30/25 2:11 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 22/01/2025 1:27 pm, Me wrote:
>> On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>>> It took forever.
>>
>> No it was released on time or some would say before time.
>>
>> YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and
>> it has always been the case.
>>
>> Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities.
>> Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is
>> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"
> 
> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all 
> about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than 
> just plain old ordinary Win 11??

It is an AI that monitors what you do, reports everything back to
M$, M$ sell this information to advertisers and others, then CoPilot
will start popping up s*** for your to buy, based on what the
advertisers pay them

CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
customer to the product.  Get rid of it.

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#16641

On Thu, 1/30/2025 4:43 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/30/25 2:11 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 22/01/2025 1:27 pm, Me wrote:
>>> On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>>>> It took forever.
>>>
>>> No it was released on time or some would say before time.
>>>
>>> YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and
>>> it has always been the case.
>>>
>>> Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities.
>>> Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is
>>> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"
>>
>> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than just plain old ordinary Win 11??
> 
> It is an AI that monitors what you do, reports everything back to
> M$, M$ sell this information to advertisers and others, then CoPilot
> will start popping up s*** for your to buy, based on what the
> advertisers pay them
> 
> CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
> customer to the product.  Get rid of it.

This isn't happening right now.

The current CoPilot Demo Version is just that, a demo quality version.
There is also a version you pay for, up to a couple hundred per month.
And that would be for business usage perhaps.

What I don't understand, is how fitting what is in essence a
"paid version" to Office, will do the user any good. To have
your document re-written as a summary, you could do that with
a number of tools. The AI they're using, is "best" at writing
summaries. There are other tasks it is not good at.

If they switch on the advertising NOW, that will spoil the business plan.

    Paul

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#16642

On 1/30/25 4:29 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 1/30/2025 4:43 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/30/25 2:11 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 22/01/2025 1:27 pm, Me wrote:
>>>> On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>>>>> It took forever.
>>>>
>>>> No it was released on time or some would say before time.
>>>>
>>>> YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and
>>>> it has always been the case.
>>>>
>>>> Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities.
>>>> Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is
>>>> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"
>>>
>>> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than just plain old ordinary Win 11??
>>
>> It is an AI that monitors what you do, reports everything back to
>> M$, M$ sell this information to advertisers and others, then CoPilot
>> will start popping up s*** for your to buy, based on what the
>> advertisers pay them
>>
>> CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
>> customer to the product.  Get rid of it.
> 
> This isn't happening right now.
> 
> The current CoPilot Demo Version is just that, a demo quality version.
> There is also a version you pay for, up to a couple hundred per month.
> And that would be for business usage perhaps.
> 
> What I don't understand, is how fitting what is in essence a
> "paid version" to Office, will do the user any good. To have
> your document re-written as a summary, you could do that with
> a number of tools. The AI they're using, is "best" at writing
> summaries. There are other tasks it is not good at.
> 
> If they switch on the advertising NOW, that will spoil the business plan.
> 
>      Paul


I have got a few customers that get five ads pop up on
their log on screen.  This explains why I see it sometimes
and not others

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#16645

On Thu, 1/30/2025 8:27 PM, T wrote:

> 
> I have got a few customers that get five ads pop up on
> their log on screen.  This explains why I see it sometimes
> and not others

Have you disabled stuff in Notifications ?

I would guess most advertising leakage is coming
in through existing marketing tunnels.

They always use deceptive language of the "features"
that are doing that, to increase the challenge.

I did have the "like what you see" stuff come
back to some lock screen, even though I thought
that stuff had been successfully turned off.

   Paul

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